BREAKING: WABC: One dead in school shooting in Newtown, CT


Bar Sinister
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#271
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

We have had a complete ban on drugs. How has that worked out?

I note that there is nothing in your reply that refutes my statement. And you are comparing apples and oranges with guns and drugs. People don't grow guns in their basements or mix them up in their garages. Cutting off guns at the source is relatively easy as the much stronger bans in Europe and elsewhere have shown.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

lol How and for whom? As I keep saying; the people that are the dangerous ones will get firearms (or other weapons)regardless of the rules. The rest have no interest in being any danger to others. Yeah, someones antique cavalry sword, or a homemade bomb would do. Nope. It's the attitude that makes the difference. There's no shortage of firearms in Canada.

Squirrelies are not "ordinary" citizens. Fewer fuirearms means fewer incidents involving firearms, not necessarily fewer incidents.
....... and the general pop. poorer.

Sorry, but you are simply wrong. The shooter in Newtown was just an ordinary citizen as was his mother. Neither had a criminal record and you might note that almost all of the mass shootings in the US have been carried out by people who are considered honest law-abiding citizens.

Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post

Pelosi Rails Against “Assault Magazines” On MSNBC…

Assault magazines? — Could she be any more clueless?


That's right...magazines.


Annnnyhow...thanks nancy.



Pelosi Rails Against “Assault Magazines” On MSNBC… | Weasel Zippers

Thanks Locutus. But apparently you simply don't understand firearms. Most nations that allow gun ownership restrict magazine size (Canada is one of these) usually to five round clips. The US allows 30 round clips, which means that a shooter could theoretically target 30 individuals before having to reload. In reducing the carnage in the US limiting magazine size is a logical first step.
 
EagleSmack
#272
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

I note that there is nothing in your reply that refutes my statement. And you are comparing apples and oranges with guns and drugs. People don't grow guns in their basements or mix them up in their garages. Cutting off guns at the source is relatively easy as the much stronger bans in Europe and elsewhere have shown.

So we'll get the world to ban gun manufacturing? If there is a market for guns, and there is... other countries will gladly feed it. Just as Mexico, Central America, and South America feed our drug habit.

I'm not comparing apples to oranges. We have a total ban on drugs... you can get them anywhere and any kind right in my home town... illegally of course.

Your ban will only prevent law abiding citizens for purchasing a weapon.
 
DaSleeper
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#273
Get them there guns but leave my weed alone......
 
L Gilbert
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#274
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Sorry, but you are simply wrong. The shooter in Newtown was just an ordinary citizen as was his mother.

lol Yeah, the shooter was completely normal. No mental problems at all. Newtown massacre motives: likely factors behind school-shooting emerge — RT
Quote:

Neither had a criminal record and you might note that almost all of the mass shootings in the US have been carried out by people who are considered honest law-abiding citizens.

Lots of people that are unstable appear to be normal, yes?

Good luck banning firearms in North America.
 
Kreskin
#275
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

So we'll get the world to ban gun manufacturing? If there is a market for guns, and there is... other countries will gladly feed it. Just as Mexico, Central America, and South America feed our drug habit.

I'm not comparing apples to oranges. We have a total ban on drugs... you can get them anywhere and any kind right in my home town... illegally of course.

Your ban will only prevent law abiding citizens for purchasing a weapon.

The school killer wasn't a criminal. He was living with an honest average law abiding citizen who was a gun owner. So yes I would prefer they be kept away from law abiding citizens. They pose more danger to honest living people than drug lords.
 
Bar Sinister
#276
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Actually it isn't even about that. It's simple kneejerk, ill-thought-out, and emotional response and vote pandering.

From the families.

If the murder of 20 school children and seven teachers doesn't make your knee jerk then there is probably something wrong with you. The sad thing is that is seems to take a horrific event like this to illustrate the illness that is a part of American gun culture.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

lol Yeah, the shooter was completely normal. No mental problems at all. Newtown massacre motives: likely factors behind school-shooting emerge — RT
Lots of people that are unstable appear to be normal, yes?

Good luck banning firearms in North America.

You've just made my point. So far as the law is concerned there is nothing wrong with people like the shooter or his mother having access to firearms that are almost military grade. And no, I don't expect an outright ban of guns in the US - but I do expect that there will be limits on the type of guns that can be owned and the number of rounds that can be fired from them without reloading.
 
L Gilbert
#277
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

The school killer wasn't a criminal. He was living with an honest average law abiding citizen who was a gun owner. So yes I would prefer they be kept away from law abiding citizens. They pose more danger to honest living people than drug lords.

Your Newtown shooter was nuts.
Law abiding people with guns pose more danger than drug lords, perhaps. What about gang members, muggers, etc., though?
Got any stats?
 
EagleSmack
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#278
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post


Thanks Locutus. But apparently you simply don't understand firearms. Most nations that allow gun ownership restrict magazine size (Canada is one of these) usually to five round clips. The US allows 30 round clips, which means that a shooter could theoretically target 30 individuals before having to reload. In reducing the carnage in the US limiting magazine size is a logical first step.

Not so. In Massachusetts we cannot have assault weapons... yet we had a mass shooting regardless in Wakefield MA.

Weapons used... AK-47, shotgun, .32 pistol.

The ban did not help.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Your Newtown shooter was nuts.
Law abiding people with guns pose more danger than drug lords, perhaps. What about gang members, muggers, etc., though?
Got any stats?

Gangbangers will keep their guns. They spread out their murders over a period of time so their in good shape.
 
L Gilbert
#279
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

If the murder of 20 school children and seven teachers doesn't make your knee jerk then there is probably something wrong with you.

My reaction was sadness and anger. I won't allow my reaction to govern my ability to reason, though.
Quote:

The sad thing is that is seems to take a horrific event like this to illustrate the illness that is a part of American gun culture.

Yeah, a kid goes whacko and grabs whatever is handy. And that's all the fault of the "gun-culture".

Quote:

You've just made my point. So far as the law is concerned there is nothing wrong with people like the shooter or his mother having access to firearms that are almost military grade.

BS So far as the law is concerned, the kid shouldn't have a gun. That is why they have gun laws.
Quote:

And no, I don't expect an outright ban of guns in the US - but I do expect that there will be limits on the type of guns that can be owned and the number of rounds that can be fired from them without reloading.

That is sensible.
 
DaSleeper
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#280
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Your ban will only prevent law abiding citizens for purchasing a weapon.

Actually It might not, last year, a neighbour's garage was broken into...when he asked me if I had lost anything, and my garage is not even locked, I told him that it is well known in the neighbourhood that I have firearms and that I target shoot.
So that if the government ever seized all guns, I'm sure I would not be the the only now legal owner to become an illegal one.
Just a suggestion, I made to other members of my club, at a target practice a few years ago......
Now is the time to buy an illegal weapon, before the price goes up too much, and while they would not need a warrant to search a registered gun owner's house for firearms, they need one to search a safety deposit box....nuff said.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post


Sorry, but you are simply wrong. The shooter in Newtown was just an ordinary citizen.....
.

Oh suuuuuure he was! Oh you are keeping right up with current events aren't you? Just an ordinary citizen just like you and me he was.

Do you THINK you are leaving out just a LITTLE bit of information here?

Good grief.
 
Kreskin
#282
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Not so. In Massachusetts we cannot have assault weapons... yet we had a mass shooting regardless in Wakefield MA.

Weapons used... AK-47, shotgun, .32 pistol.

The ban did not help.



Gangbangers will keep their guns. They spread out their murders over a period of time so their in good shape.

How do you know that three others weren't averted? Statistical probability is the less opportunity the fewer the results.
 
EagleSmack
#283
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Actually It might not, last year, a neighbour's garage was broken into...when he asked me if I had lost anything, and my garage is not even locked, I told him that it is well known in the neighbourhood that I have firearms and that I target shoot.
..............

Yes a ban would make all legal gun owners criminals.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

How do you know that three others weren't averted? Statistical probability is the less opportunity the fewer the results.

Seriously? You're going to use that in here?
 
Risus
#284
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Oh suuuuuure he was! Oh you are keeping right up with current events aren't you? Just an ordinary citizen just like you and me he was.

Do you THINK you are leaving out just a LITTLE bit of information here?

Good grief.

The shooter was nuts, but the gun owner was criminal in not having the weapons locked up were her son couldn't get hold of them. She knew he wasn't mentally stable.
 
Locutus
#285


What if gunmakers paid for mental health care?

What if gunmakers paid for mental health care?
 
Kreskin
#286
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Yes a ban would make all legal gun owners criminals.



Seriously? You're going to use that in here?

Yes I will certainly usd logic, not just gun lobby rhetoric,
 
JLM
#287
Quote: Originally Posted by Risus View Post

The shooter was nuts, but the gun owner was criminal in not having the weapons locked up were her son couldn't get hold of them. She knew he wasn't mentally stable.

To be "criminal" she'd have to have broken the law!
 
Locutus
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Newtown Answers

Like most people, I’ve been thinking and thinking about the Sandy Hook massacre. I’ve even pored over a map of the school and its killing sites — and studied a timeline of the incident, which appears to have unfolded over about 20 minutes. I have three observations: There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K–6 school), all the personnel — the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the “reading specialist” — were female.

more

Newtown Answers - NRO Symposium - National Review Online



Not surprisingly, this article made people say "wut"?

National Review writer’s offensive Newtown theory - Salon.com
 
tay
#289
This video is making a lot of people say WUT...............


I have seen very little of the TV coverage but the misses had it on when I came home Friday and he was on (or they were showing a repeat from earlier) and I saw his statement. In his interview he kept doing the religious mantra saying he forgives the shooter and his kid's in a better place etc..I wondered how he was able to come on TV that day, never mind delve into a mindless diatribe.........

robbie parker - YouTube
Last edited by Locutus; Dec 20th, 2012 at 10:02 AM..Reason: https gremlin
 
Nuggler
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#290
The saddest of all sad things is that it's going to happen again.

There's really no defense against lunacy.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nuggler View Post

The saddest of all sad things is that it's going to happen again.

There's really no defense against lunacy.

For sure and it's just one of a hundred ways children will die and some of which are crueller like spinal meningitis which can take days in total agony. It's an imperfect world for sure.
 
karrie
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#292
Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post



Not surprisingly, this article made people say "wut"?

National Review writer’s offensive Newtown theory - Salon.com

It's really easy to sit back after the fact and say 'all you had to do is...'
 
DaSleeper
#293
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

It's really easy to sit back after the fact and say 'all you had to do is...'

Thanks Karrie.
 
JLM
#294
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

It's really easy to sit back after the fact and say 'all you had to do is...'

Oooooooooh that little article isn't going to do much for getting equal pay for women. Doubt if they will be "stealing" many subscribers from "Ladies Home Journal"- -
 
karrie
#295
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

This video is making a lot of people say WUT...............

Seems pretty par for the course to me. What's the issue exactly?
 
tay
#296
Senator Who Advocates for Arming Teachers Accidentally Shoots Teacher With Rubber Bullet



A state senator who is advocating for arming teachers in the aftermath of the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, accidentally shot a teacher with a rubber bullet during a training course, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reports .
 
Sal
#297
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

Senator Who Advocates for Arming Teachers Accidentally Shoots Teacher With Rubber Bullet



A state senator who is advocating for arming teachers in the aftermath of the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, accidentally shot a teacher with a rubber bullet during a training course, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reports .

tay you should start a new thread with this one...
 
spaminator
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Sandy Hook Elementary shooting game appears online


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Julie Alexander - November 19th, 2013
A video game re-enacting the tragic Sandy Hook elementary school shooting that occurred last year has popped up online, less than three weeks before the one-year anniversary.
The Slaying of Sandy Hook Elementary lets players take control of Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old shooter who entered Sandy Hook Elementary school on Dec. 14, 2012 and killed 26 teachers, students, and school personnel before taking his own life.

The game, which was posted two days ago on media-sharing site Gogempro has since spread to other sites, despite pleas from some of the victim’s families to remove it.
While some sites have started to take down the content, others have left it up, available for anyone with a computer and access to the Internet to play.
The twisted game has different levels, including trying to kill as many children as possible before turning the gun on yourself.
Some of those closest to the Sandy Hook tragedy are “disgusted” with the game. “(It’s) absolutely disgusting someone thinks this is funny,” Donna Soto told Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.
Soto is the mother of Victoria Soto, the 27-year-old teacher who was killed protecting her students in the school.
“We’re all suffering. All the families are suffering. We’re coming up on December,” Soto added. “My daughter’s birthday just passed. It just adds insult to the suffering that we’re dealing with. It’s just incomprehensible that someone would think this kind of thing is wanted,”
Some within Reddit’s gaming community agreed with Soto that the game was in “poor taste.”
“Yea playing a game that’s trying to improve gun control makes me feel much worse than hearing 20 kids died in a school shooting that could of been stopped,” Weet-bix kid wrote. “If the Authors game feels that bad, how much infinitely worse do you think the real thing feels to people.”
Reaction on Reddit was mixed with most agreed it was sickening, haunting, and utterly disturbing, the morals behind the game soon became the main topic of conversation for one reason.

On game creator Ryan Jake Lambourn’s “About” page, he not only has his full name and contact information listed, but also has links to anti-gun laws and American congress representatives, who are in favour of gun control. It’s an act that has made many Redditors see the game as an interactive piece of satire instead of a run-of-the-mill flash shooter.
It’s also something that Lambourn talks about in his recorded audio file.
“I’m not someone who keeps up with the news, but I am overcome with all of this news about how commonplace school shootings have become. I grew up in Texas where guns and ammunition are available in (laughs) unmanned sections of Wal-Mart,” he said.
“Here we are, nearly a year after the Sandy Hook shootings, in which 26 people were killed, 20 of which were first graders, and absolutely nothing positive has come out of it.”
Lambourn goes on to plead with people to reach out to their local representatives and continue talking about the issue of gun control in America.


The re-enactment isn’t the first of its kind. Back in 2007, Lambourn also created the heavily controversial game, Vtech Rampage, a Flash shooter based on the Virginia Tech massacre. Like in Lambourn’s newest game, players control Seung-Hoi Chung, the gunman behind the massacre.
Lambourn received criticism from most people who played the game, but also began to notice a fan base around the project, who he said asked him to make another game like Vtech Rampage.
“In the years since, I have been routinely asked by fans of Vtech to make more games of just about every mass shooting that’s gotten media coverage,” Lambourn said in an audio message left on the game’s website.
Disgusting video game depicts school massacre

A new video game depicts the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre. The creator argues it delivers a pro-gun control message.
November 20, 2013 11:53
From Straight Talk
http://torontosun.ca/2013/11/19/sand...appears-online
Sandy Hook Elementary shooting game appears online | Button Mashers
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SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by spaminator View Post

Sandy Hook Elementary shooting game appears online


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Julie Alexander - November 19th, 2013

A video game re-enacting the tragic Sandy Hook elementary school shooting that occurred last year has popped up online, less than three weeks before the one-year anniversary.
The Slaying of Sandy Hook Elementary lets players take control of Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old shooter who entered Sandy Hook Elementary school on Dec. 14, 2012 and killed 26 teachers, students, and school personnel before taking his own life.

The game, which was posted two days ago on media-sharing site Gogempro has since spread to other sites, despite pleas from some of the victim’s families to remove it.
While some sites have started to take down the content, others have left it up, available for anyone with a computer and access to the Internet to play.
The twisted game has different levels, including trying to kill as many children as possible before turning the gun on yourself.
Some of those closest to the Sandy Hook tragedy are “disgusted” with the game. “(It’s) absolutely disgusting someone thinks this is funny,” Donna Soto told Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.
Soto is the mother of Victoria Soto, the 27-year-old teacher who was killed protecting her students in the school.
“We’re all suffering. All the families are suffering. We’re coming up on December,” Soto added. “My daughter’s birthday just passed. It just adds insult to the suffering that we’re dealing with. It’s just incomprehensible that someone would think this kind of thing is wanted,”
Some within Reddit’s gaming community agreed with Soto that the game was in “poor taste.”
“Yea playing a game that’s trying to improve gun control makes me feel much worse than hearing 20 kids died in a school shooting that could of been stopped,” Weet-bix kid wrote. “If the Authors game feels that bad, how much infinitely worse do you think the real thing feels to people.”
Reaction on Reddit was mixed with most agreed it was sickening, haunting, and utterly disturbing, the morals behind the game soon became the main topic of conversation for one reason.

On game creator Ryan Jake Lambourn’s “About” page, he not only has his full name and contact information listed, but also has links to anti-gun laws and American congress representatives, who are in favour of gun control. It’s an act that has made many Redditors see the game as an interactive piece of satire instead of a run-of-the-mill flash shooter.
It’s also something that Lambourn talks about in his recorded audio file.
“I’m not someone who keeps up with the news, but I am overcome with all of this news about how commonplace school shootings have become. I grew up in Texas where guns and ammunition are available in (laughs) unmanned sections of Wal-Mart,” he said.
“Here we are, nearly a year after the Sandy Hook shootings, in which 26 people were killed, 20 of which were first graders, and absolutely nothing positive has come out of it.”
Lambourn goes on to plead with people to reach out to their local representatives and continue talking about the issue of gun control in America.


The re-enactment isn’t the first of its kind. Back in 2007, Lambourn also created the heavily controversial game, Vtech Rampage, a Flash shooter based on the Virginia Tech massacre. Like in Lambourn’s newest game, players control Seung-Hoi Chung, the gunman behind the massacre.
Lambourn received criticism from most people who played the game, but also began to notice a fan base around the project, who he said asked him to make another game like Vtech Rampage.
“In the years since, I have been routinely asked by fans of Vtech to make more games of just about every mass shooting that’s gotten media coverage,” Lambourn said in an audio message left on the game’s website.
Disgusting video game depicts school massacre

A new video game depicts the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre. The creator argues it delivers a pro-gun control message.
November 20, 2013 11:53
From Straight Talk
http://torontosun.ca/2013/11/19/sand...appears-online
Sandy Hook Elementary shooting game appears online | Button Mashers
Disgusting video game depicts school massacre : Featured TOR : Videos

Talk about a complete lack of tact, taste, class or decency.
 
Sal
#300
Quote: Originally Posted by spaminator View Post

Sandy Hook Elementary shooting game appears online


<a class="addthis_counter addthis_pill_style addthis_nonzero" style="display: inline-block;" href="http://blogs.canoe.ca/buttonmashers/?p=23831#"> 17

Julie Alexander - November 19th, 2013

A video game re-enacting the tragic Sandy Hook elementary school shooting that occurred last year has popped up online, less than three weeks before the one-year anniversary.
The Slaying of Sandy Hook Elementary lets players take control of Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old shooter who entered Sandy Hook Elementary school on Dec. 14, 2012 and killed 26 teachers, students, and school personnel before taking his own life.

The game, which was posted two days ago on media-sharing site Gogempro has since spread to other sites, despite pleas from some of the victim’s families to remove it.
While some sites have started to take down the content, others have left it up, available for anyone with a computer and access to the Internet to play.
The twisted game has different levels, including trying to kill as many children as possible before turning the gun on yourself.
Some of those closest to the Sandy Hook tragedy are “disgusted” with the game. “(It’s) absolutely disgusting someone thinks this is funny,” Donna Soto told Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.
Soto is the mother of Victoria Soto, the 27-year-old teacher who was killed protecting her students in the school.
“We’re all suffering. All the families are suffering. We’re coming up on December,” Soto added. “My daughter’s birthday just passed. It just adds insult to the suffering that we’re dealing with. It’s just incomprehensible that someone would think this kind of thing is wanted,”
Some within Reddit’s gaming community agreed with Soto that the game was in “poor taste.”
“Yea playing a game that’s trying to improve gun control makes me feel much worse than hearing 20 kids died in a school shooting that could of been stopped,” Weet-bix kid wrote. “If the Authors game feels that bad, how much infinitely worse do you think the real thing feels to people.”
Reaction on Reddit was mixed with most agreed it was sickening, haunting, and utterly disturbing, the morals behind the game soon became the main topic of conversation for one reason.

On game creator Ryan Jake Lambourn’s “About” page, he not only has his full name and contact information listed, but also has links to anti-gun laws and American congress representatives, who are in favour of gun control. It’s an act that has made many Redditors see the game as an interactive piece of satire instead of a run-of-the-mill flash shooter.
It’s also something that Lambourn talks about in his recorded audio file.
“I’m not someone who keeps up with the news, but I am overcome with all of this news about how commonplace school shootings have become. I grew up in Texas where guns and ammunition are available in (laughs) unmanned sections of Wal-Mart,” he said.
“Here we are, nearly a year after the Sandy Hook shootings, in which 26 people were killed, 20 of which were first graders, and absolutely nothing positive has come out of it.”
Lambourn goes on to plead with people to reach out to their local representatives and continue talking about the issue of gun control in America.


The re-enactment isn’t the first of its kind. Back in 2007, Lambourn also created the heavily controversial game, Vtech Rampage, a Flash shooter based on the Virginia Tech massacre. Like in Lambourn’s newest game, players control Seung-Hoi Chung, the gunman behind the massacre.
Lambourn received criticism from most people who played the game, but also began to notice a fan base around the project, who he said asked him to make another game like Vtech Rampage.
“In the years since, I have been routinely asked by fans of Vtech to make more games of just about every mass shooting that’s gotten media coverage,” Lambourn said in an audio message left on the game’s website.
Disgusting video game depicts school massacre

A new video game depicts the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre. The creator argues it delivers a pro-gun control message.
November 20, 2013 11:53
From Straight Talk
http://torontosun.ca/2013/11/19/sand...appears-online
Sandy Hook Elementary shooting game appears online | Button Mashers
Disgusting video game depicts school massacre : Featured TOR : Videos

no common sense, no respect for anything or anyone for many members of society.
Sometimes even if something should be "allowed", common decency, a moral compass, a tiny inkling of right and wrong, should help/guide people to understand that it shouldn't be done or said.

Where did that go, that examination of what is ethical in a given situation?
 

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