Shermans' untimely deaths


Curious Cdn
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

Looks like payback as opposed to a couple of hoods looking for easy cash. apparently nothing was stolen.....


Homicide detectives have confirmed the Shermans were targeted, strangled, then held upright by leather belts looped around a railing of their home’s indoor pool.


https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...se-friday.html

There would be a very, VERY long list of suspects with motive.

Put the Pfizer death squad at the top of the list.
 
Danbones
#32
The important thing is the cops called it a murder suicide till the private investigators hired by the family forced them to change their opinions to murder, so of course it was a high level deusehbag scumbag hit.

Watch the movie "The Accountant" if you would like a fictional approximation of how this type of stuff goes.
 
Curious Cdn
+2
#33
Murder-Suicide is much easier and it involves A LOT less paperwork. The Police have budgets to keep and a big, complex murder investigation like this one is obviously not in their marketing plan.
 
JLM
-1
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Murder-Suicide is much easier and it involves A LOT less paperwork. The Police have budgets to keep and a big, complex murder investigation like this one is obviously not in their marketing plan.

I read somewhere recently that Barry had more than a few enemies, who felt he was gouging people on the price of drugs!

Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Murder-Suicide is much easier and it involves A LOT less paperwork. The Police have budgets to keep and a big, complex murder investigation like this one is obviously not in their marketing plan.

The cops may have known full well that someone else would stick their nose into it and pick up the bill!
 
taxslave
+1
#35
Just because the cops said it was a murder-suicide does not mean that is what they thought. Anyone ever known a cop to tell the truth if he didn't have to?

It is a very easy way to lull suspects into thinking they are in the clear.
 
JLM
+1 / -1
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

It is a very easy way to lull suspects into thinking they are in the clear.

Good thinking, ts.
 
Curious Cdn
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I read somewhere recently that Barry had more than a few enemies, who felt he was gouging people on the price of drugs!


He was undercutting the entire drug industry and all of big pharma would be delighted to see him dead.
 
taxslave
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

He was undercutting the entire drug industry and all of big pharma would be delighted to see him dead.

No doubt but he was also basically past the age where he could cause any more harm to their profits so it seems unlikely to be the reason.
 
Curious Cdn
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

No doubt but he was also basically past the age where he could cause any more harm to their profits so it seems unlikely to be the reason.

They led complex lives and the enemy list is longer than your arm. The Police may never solve this one.
 
JLM
-1
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

They led complex lives and the enemy list is longer than your arm. The Police may never solve this one.

I think where there's "big fish" (and these people were "big fish") involved, someone, sooner or later will start bragging, which will lead to their "waterloo".
 
Curious Cdn
+1
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I think where there's "big fish" (and these people were "big fish") involved, someone, sooner or later will start bragging, which will lead to their "waterloo".

That could be but it sounds as if the hit was cool, professional and left few traces. Maybe not.
 
JLM
-1
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

That could be but it sounds as if the hit was cool, professional and left few traces. Maybe not.

Yep, if they are smart! But most criminals aren't.
 
Curious Cdn
+2
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Yep, if they are smart! But most criminals aren't.

I'll agree to that.I have spent most of my life designing and building various security devices, systems, curtains, doors, grilles, etc. and it always comes back to me how those trying to break in "worry" the strong points. They will work on the locking devices that are meant not to let them in. They ignore all of the easy and obvious ways in (usually associated with or at code required egresses) and focus on the hard points. It has been proven to me time and time again that most crooks are pathetic losers that are too stupid to do anything else.

This murder, though, as an air of SAS precision to it, based on the (albeit little) information reaching the public. One early episode makes me wonder about police competence, though. They went on about no signs of forced entry, etc. "How could murderers get it in?" Well, the house has been on the market for a !ong time and there is a realtor's lock box and gawd knows how many hundreds know that. Smooth investigating, Sherlock.
 
darkbeaver
+1
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Yep, if they are smart! But most criminals aren't.

Smart criminals get into politics which in my estimation is the best place to practice and cultivate really good crime.
 
Curious Cdn
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

Looks like payback as opposed to a couple of hoods looking for easy cash. apparently nothing was stolen.....


Homicide detectives have confirmed the Shermans were targeted, strangled, then held upright by leather belts looped around a railing of their home’s indoor pool.


https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...se-friday.html

They were awefully bloody careful for a "couple of hoods".
 
JLM
+1 / -1
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Smart criminals get into politics which in my estimation is the best place to practice and cultivate really good crime.

A lot of stupid criminals get into it too.
 
Curious Cdn
+1
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

A lot of stupid criminals get into it too.

The funniest one that I remember is from about 25 years ago. It seems that a store selling leather jackets in a Winnipeg mall had one of those flimsy rod and link cheapo side sliding grilles on the entrance. After closing, some young native kid (they had it on security camera footage) unhooked a leather jacket on the wall with a ten dollar telescoping fishing pole, dragged it to the entrance and made off with it.

Guess what? He did it again the next night. ... and the next, each episode carefully recorded by CCTV. The store security people eventually sensed that a pattern was emerging and they dug deep into their change purse and bought a better storefront grille.

Sometimes, the crook is by far the smarter party.
 
JLM
-1
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The funniest one that I remember is from about 25 years ago. It seems that a store selling leather jackets in a Winnipeg mall had one of those flimsy rod and link cheapo side sliding grilles on the entrance. After closing, some young native kid (they had it on security camera footage) unhooked a leather jacket on the wall with a ten dollar telescoping fishing pole, dragged it to the entrance and made off with it.

Guess what? He did it again the next night. ... and the next, each episode carefully recorded by CCTV. The store security people eventually sensed that a pattern was emerging and they dug deep into their change purse and bought a better storefront grille.

Sometimes, the crook is by far the smarter party.

Especially if the thief wasn't caught!
 
Curious Cdn
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Especially if the thief wasn't caught!

I don't believe that he was .... Not for that, anyway.
 
spaminator
#50
Fraudster surfaces in Sherman case
Liz Braun
More from Liz Braun
Published:
January 27, 2018
Updated:
January 27, 2018 6:21 PM EST
File photo of convicted fraudster Shaun Rootenberg, aka Shaun Rothberg.Toronto Police handout
A bad penny always turns up.
Thornhill fraudster Shaun Rootenberg — aka Shaun Rothberg — has defrauded family, friends and business associates out of millions of dollars over the years.
Now it’s alleged the convicted scam artist may even have cheated murdered billionaire Barry Sherman.
CBC’s The Fifth Estate is reporting that on the day he was last seen alive, Sherman filed suit against Shaun Rootenberg (and others) for their role in allegedly pocketing $150,000 he had invested with them.
The notoriously litigious Sherman and his wife were murdered in December, but no one is suggesting any connection between that event and the Rootenberg lawsuit.
This file screen grab taken on December 16, 2017 from a YouTube video released by Apotex with permission given to AFP shows Barry Sherman, founder of Canada’s global pharmaceutical giant Apotex, speaking during a promotion video.
Sherman gave the money to Rootenberg as an investment in a new app called Trivia For Good; the accused has filed a statement of defence disputing the claim that he had anything to do with the loss of Sherman’s $150,000 and asking that the suit be dismissed.
As reported in 2017 by Toronto Sun crime writer Chris Doucette, Rootenberg was most recently arrested in June for allegedly defrauding the romantic partners he found on eHarmony.
He was in the cooler for a while after pleading guilty back in 2009 to fleecing friends and family out of $2.5 million.
Somehow, by 2014, he had talked his way into a Chief Financial Officer position with Algoma Pubic Health in Sault Ste. Marie. There, he kept an eye on the public health agency’s $23 million annual expenditures and $25 million in capital assets.
The long con appeared to developing the waterfront in the Sault, but it all ended after city officials were informed of Rootenberg’s past.
The Sherman lawsuit appears to be the latest chapter in the local grifter’s story.
lbraun@postmedia.com
Fraudster surfaces in Sherman case | Toronto Sun
 
tay
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

They were awefully bloody careful for a "couple of hoods".

And that's why this was most likely not done by a couple of hoods. Go to all of that trouble and not take anything?


There's only group that acts like this, the Mafia . It may not have been a Mafia hit per se but someone who new how to contact some of their people.

Seems like a message was sent but to who remains a question. And why now? He was known for suing people so to be killed this late in life for such a thing seems odd but the new guy in spaminators post doesn't have a violent background ........


At Friday’s press conference, police said Barry and Honey Sherman’s last contact with friends, family or business associates was late in the day Wednesday. The bodies were not discovered until just before noon on Friday, Dec. 15.

They were found in a semi-seated position, legs facing away from the pool. Gomes confirmed that both Shermans were found wearing their clothing but revealed few other specifics. The detective would not comment when asked if investigators believe the Shermans were killed in that location, or whether their bodies had been placed there.

Both autopsies concluded they died from “ligature neck compression.”

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...se-friday.html
 
Danbones
+1
#52
Yeah, this was about taking the wife down too...so it was a message to the other members of what ever group they were in to stay in line...or else.

This was somebodies' shadow corporate/ government/ intel hit, that's why the cops didn't want to touch this with a ten foot pole.

Like the way all those holistic doctors have been bumped off gruesomely for being against vaccination and similar stuff...and having the proof to justify it.

Mysterious Holistic Doctor Deaths Are On The Rise

Annually, vaccine revenues equate to $25 billion and cancer drugs over $100 billion, so the pharmaceutical industries risk losing huge profits if research like Bradstreet’s continue to grow and reach a wider audience.
https://www.honeycolony.com/article/...doctor-deaths/

I doubt they were killed by holistic Doctors

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Smart criminals get into politics which in my estimation is the best place to practice and cultivate really good crime.

Best way to rob the bank is to own one


Drug maker GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) has agreed to pay $3 billion US in criminal and civil fines and plead guilty to misdemeanour criminal charges related to the sale and marketing of its antidepressants Paxil and Wellbutrin and the diabetes drug Avandia in the largest health-care fraud settlement in U.S. history.

The British pharmaceutical giant has admitted to misbranding the antidepressants Paxil and Wellbutrin and marketing them for uses not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), including the treatment of children for depression and the treatment of ailments such as obesity, anxiety, addiction and ADHD.

In some cases, the company did so despite warnings about possible safety risks from the FDA, such as an increased risk of suicide for children under 18 taking antidepressants.

It also admitted in the settlement that it did not provide the FDA with safety information that indicated its diabetes drug Avandia might cause heart problems. The drug was eventually pulled off the shelves in Europe and its sale restricted in the U.S.

'Warning' to other companies
GlaxoSmithKline pleads guilty in $3B US drug fraud case - Health - CBC News


Apotex wins latest round in generic Paxil litigation
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd1423

Sherman was called "a deplorable human being" in reference to his business practices, byUniversity of Ottawa law professor Amir Attaran who claimed that he gouged Canadians with high drug prices: "Canadians pay more for generic drugs than almost every other country.

He sought to manipulate our system to enrich himself and impoverish Canadian patients who used his drugs", he said.[27] He accused Sherman of crossing intellectual property right ethical lines to "fight as many as 100 battles at a time in court to challenge drug patents and make way for Apotex’s generic prescriptions" with little end benefit to consumers.[27]

At the time of his death, Sherman was under investigation because of a fundraiser he had held for Justin Trudeau in April 2015, allegedly contrary to Canada's lobbying rules.[32] Sherman filed a lawsuit in May 2016, attempting to quash the investigation.

"There is basis to conclude that Mr. Sherman is in breach of ... the Lobbyists’ Code of Conduct as a consequence of his involvement in the organization of a fundraising event for the (Liberal Party)," according to Phil McIntosh, director of investigations at the Office of the Lobby Commissioner.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sherman

LOL! The TRUDIE DEATH LIST!!!!!!

Last edited by Danbones; Jan 28th, 2018 at 07:16 AM..
 
spaminator
#53
WARMINGTON: Cousin cruelly claims Barry Sherman ‘hated his wife’ and wanted her ‘whacked’ | Toronto Sun

Business rivalries behind billionaire Shermans’ murder? | Toronto Sun
 
Danbones
#54
Yes, he was just dying to kill her?
Quote:

Business rivalries behind billionaire Shermans’ murder?

Watch "the accountant"
The Accountant (2016) - IMDb
 
spaminator
#55
WARMINGTON: Cousin claiming Sherman deaths murder-suicide fails lie detector | Toronto Sun

SHERMAN MURDERS: Did organized crime kill billionaire? | Toronto Sun
 
spaminator
#56
WARMINGTON: Cousin claims cops chasing ‘phantom murderers’ in Sherman deaths | Toronto Sun

WARMINGTON: Sherman cousin Kerry Winter speaks with Toronto Police | Toronto Sun
 
Curious Cdn
#57
Chase the cousin, if he knows so much.
 
spaminator
#58
WARMINGTON: Barry and Honey Sherman's legacy endures, so does hunt for their killer a year later
Joe Warmington
Published:
December 14, 2018
Updated:
December 14, 2018 8:18 PM EST
Some may forget that before they were high-profile billionaire murder victims, Honey and Barry Sherman were high-profile philanthropists who doled out tens of millions of dollars in charitable donations.
Even in death, on the one year anniversary of their double homicide, their legacy endures.
As does their giving.
“As we continue to mourn our parents’ deaths, we wish to express our heartfelt appreciation to those who have provided support and comfort to our family,” the children the couple left behind — Jonathon, Lauren, Alexandra and Kaelen — said in a statement. “We also wish to re-affirm our family’s continued pledge to the many humanitarian causes to which our parents were deeply committed.”
The Sherman’s are still giving.
And their kids are still prepared to pay out $10 million in a reward for somebody who can solve the mystery of who strangled them Dec. 15, 2017 and left them to be found near the pool of their North Toronto mansion.
“We continue to hope for justice for the profound loss of their lives,” said the family.
One thing Honey and Barry Sherman’s killers may not have counted on is there would be two sets of homicide detectives trying to chase them down — Toronto Police Homicide Insp. Hank Idsinga and his team as well as former Toronto homicide detective Tom Klatt and his all-star team of former homicide cops
And thousands of amateur sleuths too.
But that 42-day head start the killers had has proven to be troublesome for investigators.
A year ago came a phone call from a senior Toronto Police officer explaining the story I was writing, from sources who had been inside the horrific crime scene in the pool area of the Old Colony Rd. home of the billionaire couple of Apotex fame and fortune who were saying the couple had been “executed,” was incorrect.
Toronto Police on scene after billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman were found dead in North York mansion in Toronto on December 15, 2017. Dave Abel / Toronto Sun
What this was, said the officer, was a murder-suicide with Honey being the lone murder victim.
There were two crimes scenes inside the house, said the officer, who suggested Honey had been struck by something near the front door and dragged to the pool area where she was suited up with a belt that was secured to a railing. It was also suggested police believed her husband then took his own life by hanging himself right beside her.
The protests came loud and fast — even before outrage expressed at the funeral.
“No way,” said a family friend. “They were just going to Florida, building a new house and had everything to live for.”
A grandchild was on its way in the new year and a holiday luncheon and charity plans had been finalized.
It didn’t add up.
Their son Jonathon rocked the country when he said in his eulogy that his mom and dad would never leave anybody behind.
Jonathon Sherman speaks during a memorial service for his parents Barry and Honey Sherman. The Canadian Press
Police listened and after a private autopsy was conducted and a private team of retired detectives was struck, they changed their tune on the murder-suicide explanation in favour of this being a planned double murder in which the Sherman’s were “targeted.”
That was almost 11 months ago.
Since then all of the key players on the case for the police have been promoted up the ranks but I am told there is an active investigation underway, search warrants being conducted and interviews being done.
For the family, as well as the public, to have confidence in that, it would be helpful if they could put out a description of a person of interest or the make and model of a nearby car, a grainy imagine of a person of interest from a neighbourhood security video.
Something.
In this Oct. 15, 2017 photo provided by the United Jewish Appeal via Canadian Press, Barry and Honey Sherman pose for a photo in Toronto, Canada. United Jewish Appeal Federation - Greater Toronto / The Canadian Press via AP
The Sherman family have been very critical — telling media through top lawyer Brian Greenspan they want to see more action and hoping to light a fire in their investigation.
But here we are. a whole year since they were murdered, and it seems the killers just vanished into thin air.
Meanwhile, the Shermans from their graves are still trying to make the world a better place.
jwarmington@postmedia.com
http://torontosun.com/news/local-new...r-a-year-later
 
bill barilko
#59
There's no reason for anyone to care about a couple rich nobodies-no one except their beneficiaries.
 
JLM
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko View Post

There's no reason for anyone to care about a couple rich nobodies-no one except their beneficiaries.


"Nobodies" doesn't seem like an apt description to me. At the very least I'd classify them as good citizens both private and corporate!
 

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