Canada Failing to Put Climate Change Plans in Action


spilledthebeer
#781
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

You fuktards don't seem to know how to build a house in the north that doesn't rot away in 10 years and I'm the stupid one.



I'm not the one in delusion about what the climate is doing and what is causing it. Nice to see the supporters of the collective get fuked over so they get a small taste of of what it feels like to be a lab rat. depression comes from knowing you can do fuk all about it as the time to change that was when you were eating cake with them while watching the Indians being killed in a slow extinction process.
I won't shed one fuking tear no matter how far they disassemble the place.


The food we grow comes from plants that use CO2 and the elite want to eliminate that gas? (and most people her fully support that) I'm not feeling any urgency to follow that stupid plan, the idiots that let it happen can deal with. (they are taking all the spare money we had, woe is me)


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Poor MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LOST IN LEGOLAND AS USUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Houses in the far north rot out so quickly BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILT BY NATIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Federal govt routinely ships FULL PREFABRICATED HOUSES to native reserves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then PAYS to send natives to trade schools to learn how to put the houses together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Natives are PAID to learn a trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Problem is- NATIVES APPARENTLY SELL the house siding for beer money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or for drugs..........or whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In any case- most native reserves have collections of dilapidated "tar paper shacks" for people to live in- and these tar paper shacks are what you end up with after natives SELL THE SIDING FROM QUALITY PREFAB HOUSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And without water proof siding- the houses ROT SWIFTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Of course the Kashetchewan Reserve is a "special case"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Kash stands on the Hudson Bay Lowlands- 1.5 million square km of mud and sand and gravel- a vast alluvial deposit from the thousands of creeks and rivers flowing into Hudson Bay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Kash area has an average height of SIX FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL- with obvious implications for FLOODING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In a addition- each spring- southern lands THAW FASTER than northern areas- for obvious reasons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This means that rivers flood NORTH into areas that are STILL FROZEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ice jams and flooding are a YEARLY EVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AS are routine EVACUATIONS of Kash population - to keep them out of reach of yearly flood waters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Kash residents are flown a thousand miles or more- SOUTH - with most ending up in Thunder Bay hotels- for weeks at a time!!!!!!!!!



Houses in Kash are especially at risk for flood damage due to their having been built by natives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When white men build in Kash- they START by heaping up a BIG PILE of local sand and gravel into a pad high enough to be out of reach of flood waters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Whites build on top of the sand/gravel pad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NATIVES DO NOT BOTHER with such stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Natives simply build the houses that govt gave for free- and which natives are being paid to build- AT REGULAR GROUND LEVEL!!!!!!!!


And each year the native houses FLOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then natives like Atiwapiskat chief Teresa Spence use our tax money to fly south to whine at federal officials in Ottawa over their "inadequate housing"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



You can find all this stuff out if you go back and read the Toronto Red Star coverage of the Kashetchewan "Water Tragedy"!!!!!!!!!!!


It is LIE-beral BIGOTRY and GREED that are blighting the lives of natives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Harper govt tried to bring some logic into native lives..........and LIE-berals have UN-done ALL THE CORRUPTION FIGHTING EFFORTS mandated by Harper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
+3
#782
Here is a perfect example of how the government operates (under the Liberals anyway, but likely under Conservatives too I might add). This, as it happened, was under a Liberal gov't. A military base needed a shed built to house ammunition so they send out a call for quotes. Out of the quotes received, 1 was the lowest, and presumably best, (although that I don't know). That quote was the winner.


However, because the quote came in lower than was budgeted for, in order to get the price up, they requested that windows be inserted - in an ammunition shed!! The quote was then amended to include windows and the winner of the quote was laughing all the way to the bank!!


You see, the government works this way: if you don't use it, you lose it. Private companies work totally the opposite - where can we find efficiencies so that we can reduce costs, thus stay in business. There is no such attitude in government.


Bottom line: government don't care about the spending because they can always go to the taxpayer to get more money and the Carbon Tax is one way of doing it, stating it's necessary because otherwise "Armageddon" is just around the corner. They think we're too stupid to realize that the climate has always changed and always will and we will simply have to adapt; that carbon isn't a pollutant (unlike the crap that goes into the St. L. and Pacific - now that's pollution). It's a genius way to collect at infinitum because they can raise the price of carbon at their leisure and there won't be a damn thing we can do about it!


With technical advances, we're reducing carbon anyways so the need to price it is simply a corrupt way of stealing money from businesses and people who work hard for it.


It's genius in that it is supposed to make people feel good that they're being robbed of their money to "save" the planet.


JMHO
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#783
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

Here is a perfect example of how the government operates (under the Liberals anyway, but likely under Conservatives too I might add). This, as it happened, was under a Liberal gov't. A military base needed a shed built to house ammunition so they send out a call for quotes. Out of the quotes received, 1 was the lowest, and presumably best, (although that I don't know). That quote was the winner.


However, because the quote came in lower than was budgeted for, in order to get the price up, they requested that windows be inserted - in an ammunition shed!! The quote was then amended to include windows and the winner of the quote was laughing all the way to the bank!!


You see, the government works this way: if you don't use it, you lose it. Private companies work totally the opposite - where can we find efficiencies so that we can reduce costs, thus stay in business. There is no such attitude in government.


Bottom line: government don't care about the spending because they can always go to the taxpayer to get more money and the Carbon Tax is one way of doing it, stating it's necessary because otherwise "Armageddon" is just around the corner. They think we're too stupid to realize that the climate has always changed and always will and we will simply have to adapt; that carbon isn't a pollutant (unlike the crap that goes into the St. L. and Pacific - now that's pollution). It's a genius way to collect at infinitum because they can raise the price of carbon at their leisure and there won't be a damn thing we can do about it!


With technical advances, we're reducing carbon anyways so the need to price it is simply a corrupt way of stealing money from businesses and people who work hard for it.


It's genius in that it is supposed to make people feel good that they're being robbed of their money to "save" the planet.


JMHO

And of course the taxes collected go straight into general revenue .
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#784
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

And of course the taxes collected go straight into general revenue .


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Dixie is right about govt operating on the "use it or lose it" principle!!!!!


But she is quite wrong about our green house gas emissions dropping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are lying- quite deliberately and relentlessly about the effect their carbon crap and trade tax will have on either greenhouse gas emissions or on our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider the part time and temporary work that is becoming so much a part of our economy!!!!!!!!!


That CRAP WORK ENSURES HIGHER GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Lots of people either have two jobs or they have one job and are signed up for school courses as well- in an effort to escape the McJobs our economy is creating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This part time reality means MORE TRAVELING- to get to MULTIPLE commitments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I knew a guy who had to STAY AWAKE - once a week- every week for THIRTY SIX HOURS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The guy had two part time jobs and the scheduling was a mess- so he would do one shift- and then drive furiously to the second job and do a shift- then drive furiously back to the first job to complete the next shift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After that THIRD SHIFT IN A ROW- he could then go to sleep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THIS is the economic model LIE-berals are building for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Desperate people who OWN NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals tell us that driving is a privilege- and that is a LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In this economy- driving is a NECESSITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The guy doing 3 shifts in a row would not even have the jobs if he did not have a motor vehicle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He would not be able to travel quickly enough on a bus and taxis were too costly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With two jobs he could save enough money to repair or replace his vehicle as necessary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Without a vehicle he would starve on welfare- or end up HOMELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Public transit in Durham Region was shutting down at 9pm at the time and opening back up at 6am- meaning that depending where you lived on a bus route- the bus would leave the station at 6am- and trundle around its route- and not get to you at the far end of its route till AFTER 7am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Region transit stays open a little later now- but it STILL IS NOT SUITED to people working late shifts- and those are the only kind of jobs open to average Cdns now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nor is Region public transit fast enough to get you to work if you get called in on short notice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The job WILL GO to the first worker to show up- and means DRIVING A CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Nor will Durham Region employers hire a worker who does not own a car- there are slots in the employment application to tell the employer what kind of car you drive- year, make, model, mileage, and etc so employers decide which potential employee is best organized and most likely to show up on short notice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Employers DO NOT WANT an employee on their show room or restaurant floor who has arrived soaking wet from walking a half mile in pouring rain from the nearest bus stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nor do they want somebody who has walked a half mile in mid summer heat arriving bathed in sweat- to start serving food for them!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral "vision" is totally at odds with economic reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


British Columbia has had a carbon tax for some years now- and the number of cars registered in that province in CLIMBING STEADILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral carbon crap and trade tax is nothing but a vast scam that only cleans cash from wallets and leaves the dirt in the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And as the European version of carbon crap and trade has proven- ity opens the door it all sorts of criminal FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Including stock market manipulation -based on selling or buying carbon credits and there is even a thriving market if FORGED Carbon credit documents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Our idiot Boy Justin is using his carbon crap and trade scam to create a vast slush fund that LIE-berals can use to BUY VOTES- and cling to power at any price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
+3
#785
Dear Spiltthebeer: I stated that our carbon footprint is going down because: 1 - vehicles have become and are becoming more efficient in the burning of fuels, plus electric cars will become more and more popular as they become cheaper to buy and battery power increases; 2 - technology in the oilsands (as an example) have lowered their carbon emissions dramatically in the last few years and technology will continue to evolve in the continuing process of finding fossil fuels; 3 - new homes are far more heating and electrically efficient due to new building methods and technology and will continue as things evolve. So yes, our carbon footprint is becoming lower as each year passes. I simply do not believe eco freaks who insist we're all going to die tomorrow if something isn't done today. How can that be? It simply doesn't make sense.


I live in a home that is slightly over 30 years old and, as we can afford it, we have upgraded our furnace to a high performance one; so is our hot water heater and because the tankless heaters have come down in price, we'll eventually replace that hot water tank with one of those. We had the roof done and put better shingles on it, replaced all our windows to more efficient ones, have an automatic thermostat and replaced all our bulbs with LED lights.


So there are things that we did WITHOUT having a carbon tax simply because it made sense and it was worth it financially for us to do so over a period of time. It didn't happen all at once but when required, we did our due diligence in finding out what was the good, better, best of whatever it was we had to replace and then went with what we could afford which was much better than what we had. And we did this before climate change became the "mantra" of the left. We did it because it made sense.


And now, we have to pay again for a things (i.e. light bulbs) that the government wants to give people for "free" to encourage them to reduce their foot prints when my family has already done that without government help. We pay taxes so someone else can benefit and get freebies. That's ticks me off!


As for your friends working 2 or 3 jobs and having to drive; that really sucks and I admire their work ethic. But the issue for them is getting a job where they can work a solid 8 hours a day and get a decent pay cheque so that they can feed his/her family. I get it. One has to do what he/she can in order to survive. Unless he's driving an older vehicle, I doubt he's contributing that much carbon into the atmosphere as they are 1 person and our carbon foot print in Canada is low anyway. So good on him/her for their perseverance. I hope, in time, he/she gets a job that is more beneficial to them because I would think, over a period of time, it will affect their health both mentally and physically. The issue for your friend is jobs not a carbon tax.


If he/she works at McDonalds, they may have a educational program he can enroll in and get his tuition paid. I know of a high school kid who works at McDonalds and if he is failing, he doesn't get shifts until his grades improve - that's McDonalds practice. And, if he continues and graduates high school, he gets a bonus and assistance with University or College tuition. I was floored when his mom told me that! Wow! Pretty incredible. Having said that maybe it's this particular McDonalds that has that policy. I don't know, but it's a good one. It not only allows teenagers to have a part-time job for spending but sends those teens a message that education is important; even more important than working part-time at McDonalds.


JMHO
 
EagleSmack
+1
#786
Canada among worst offenders as world falls short of climate-change targets


http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/n...tter-1.4902717




So not only is the Trudeau Govt. failing to put Climate Change plans into action, they are one of the WORST OFFENDERS!
 
spilledthebeer
#787
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Canada among worst offenders as world falls short of climate-change targets


http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/n...tter-1.4902717




So not only is the Trudeau Govt. failing to put Climate Change plans into action, they are one of the WORST OFFENDERS!




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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is part of the LIE-beral "charm" that they are so grossly entitled that they really DO NOT BELIEVE their sh+t stinks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Here is an article illustrating the madness of our times- which our LIE-beral overlords are supporting and encouraging. With some comments of my own in brackets):

The hypocrisy of fossil fuel protesters

Special to Postmedia Network. Published: March 16, 2018. Updated: March 16, 2018 4:12 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

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By: Paige MacPherson

The fossil fuel divestment movement is picking up steam.

Earlier this year, New York City announced it would sell $5 billion worth of investments in fossil fuels within its pension fund.

Quebec’s Laval University became the first Canadian university to commit to divest from fossil fuels in February. While other schools such as the University of British Columbia and the University of Ottawa have mostly rejected fossil fuel divestment pushes from student activists, Dalhousie University’s board of governors in Halifax is reportedly looking at divesting.

In Canada, it’s worthwhile to consider what else we would be divesting from.

Clearly, the feet-on-the-streets divestment movement is a walking contradiction. Activists pile into giant buses and march down streets carrying foam core signs and plastic megaphones. They go home to their heated apartments, take hot showers, microwave some quinoa, spend several hours tweeting the revolution from their iPhones, turn off the lights and get into their warm beds. They could do none of this without oil.

(The mouldy Green mindset is quite divorced from logic and reality! They operate with the mindset of the Pigs from Animal Farm and simply assume they ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE a useful share of whatever resources are available after killing the carbon fueled world! This is the same mindset of college students who borrow huge sums of money to live “independently” of parents while they study- with no real thought of the future consequences of the debts they pile up!)

It should be obvious that hydrocarbons fuel buses, make signs and megaphones, heat apartments, pump and heat water, create and power microwaves, farm and process quinoa, construct and power iPhones, create bedding fabrics and power lights. No quick transition to “solar-powered smartphones for all” is available.

(Oil also fuels all those big 4 wheel drive pick up trucks and atv`s that are so prevalent at pipeline protest camps! The trucks do not just haul people- they haul firewood and food and water and the lumber and roofing materials for those not so temporary shelters for activists! And oil also fuels the gas powered generators that protestors rely on for charging iphones and computers as they communicate to the world or entertain themselves with music and tv!)

But glaring as the hypocrisy might be, let’s be fair. They aren’t going to forgo the gas-guzzling bus until alternative buses fill the streets- or until they can afford a subsidized Tesla.

(The public- including Greens are becoming increasingly aware of the range limitations of electric Toy vehicles and the news that lithium batteries are severely crippled in cold weather is also seeping out! Cdn weather is CLEARLY unsuited to anything near optimum lithium battery operation!)

If they can’t be the change they want to see- like their T-shirts say, they’ll fight for change until it comes, someday. Maybe. Protesters will say we can’t reasonably criticize them for using fossil fuels until accessible alternatives exist.

(But THEY happily criticize US for using fossil fuel!)

Ignoring the foreign money funding much of the anti-Canadian oil advocacy, most activists believe in their cause because it’s the right thing to do.

(Hypocrite activists see no moral distinction between a diesel bus and a sea doo!)

The core is morality: the climate is changing and to salvage the earth you must stop burning fossil fuels. But the moral motivation is there.

(Foreign political influence is pervasive and not at all beneficial to Cdns! If Cdn oil production is curtailed- then it will supply windfall profits to other countries who will continue to produce oil!)

Realistically, the world isn’t going to stop burning fossil fuels — the growing demand comes mostly from other countries, anyway — but if they did, would the outcomes be moral?

Mining in Ontario, oil extraction in Alberta and natural gas in Nova Scotia have bolstered government coffers through endless fees and taxes. These industries provide well-paying jobs and create spinoff sectors, leading Canadians to pay income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes and more.

(Cdn oil is already produced under environmental regulations tougher than most other countries. People have good reason to be annoyed with repeated oil pipeline leaks and the solution is better maintenance which LIE-berals could and SHOULD be pushing for- they do have that power!)

Many of the same people who demand divestment from fossil fuels also want poverty alleviation programs, improved women’s health services and free tuition. As of 2012, Canada’s resource economy contributed about $170 billion to Canada’s GDP every year — about 10% of Canada’s GDP, and a lot of tax dollars.

(All these LIE-berals and Greens seem hell bent on creating the sort of world described in The Hunger Games- with all the LIE-berals ENTITLED to be living large in the capitol! And the rest of us can eat our daily bowl of Dandelion Greens cold because oil is a sin and wood is sacred and not for burning!)

About $17 billion tax dollars are annually spent on Canadian universities and colleges. That’s a large sum that, like affordable energy, needs to come from somewhere.

(There is another major piece of Hog hypocrisy! How they object to tax benefits to other industries yet whine they DON’T GET ENOUGH TAX GRAVY! That $17 billion sounds like a LOT to me- especially considering the number of employees that are involved and the kind of tuition fees kids pay as well! It seems LIE-berals and Hogs assume that if we give up cars- then we will have money free to pay more TAXES TO THEM!)

Let’s envision an end to Canada’s resource economy. Would protesters be content to personally forgo subsidized university, see countless Canadians lose their jobs, and witness a dramatic reduction in health care? Education? Foreign aid? What the frack, guys?

(Activists DO NOT believe there will be such a drop in living standard- they believe in the power of borrowed money! They BELIEVE in the free lunch if only we elect the right gravy grabbing Hogs!)

Activists have every right to protest and we may see more success in the divestment movement. Sure, they might think they mean well, but unless these protesters are also arguing for dramatic fiscal belt-tightening by government, students and families alike, the price to be paid may not be so righteous after all.

(Belt tightening for govt? OH NO! Hogs are DEMANDING hundreds of billions of dollars in pension top ups! Its money LIE-berals and NDPers promised in exchange for votes and its money which we do NOT HAVE! The LIE-beral and Green vision for the future is sounding ever more like the dystopian Panam of the Hunger Games! Hog logic is so twisted that they seriously expect that the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade tax will be used exclusively to let them maintain their carbon rich lifestyle with its plethora of gas guzzling toys!)

Paige MacPherson is a contributing writer to Canadians for Affordable Energy and works for a Canadian taxpayer research and advocacy group.
 
EagleSmack
#788
China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Canada...


Worst offenders.


*snicker*
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#789
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

Here is a perfect example of how the government operates (under the Liberals anyway, but likely under Conservatives too I might add). This, as it happened, was under a Liberal gov't. A military base needed a shed built to house ammunition so they send out a call for quotes. Out of the quotes received, 1 was the lowest, and presumably best, (although that I don't know). That quote was the winner.



JMHO


Sounds very familiar, Dixie. Reminds me of the old "March madness" days.
 
EagleSmack
#790
China


Russia


Canada


Saudi Arabia


Worst offenders.
 
petros
+2
#791
Hooray for us. With all this global warming we've been using the heating system since the 2nd week of September. Emissions will be higher than ever this winter. Maybe we can beat the other northern countries? If the Chinese start heating their homes so they can walk around the house wearing just their gonch like us instead of sweaters and parkas we'll never catch them dammit.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#792
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Hooray for us. With all this global warming we've been using the heating system since the 2nd week of September. Emissions will be higher than ever this winter. Maybe we can beat the other northern countries? If the Chinese start heating their homes so they can walk around the house wearing just their gonch like us instead of sweaters and parkas we'll never catch them dammit.

Nein! Nein! Petrovich sez it's getting colder!
 
EagleSmack
#793
Nazis love to speak in the language of the Fatherland.


*snicker*
 
JamesBondo
#794
its snowing
 
EagleSmack
#795
Lack of progress on climate change is putting Canadians' health at risk, doctors say


http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/climat...down-1.4924792




More discussions needed?




*snicker*
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#796
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Lack of progress on climate change is putting Canadians' health at risk, doctors say


http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/climat...down-1.4924792




More discussions needed?




*snicker*


There's a multitude of things more deleterious to people's health than climate change- lack of exercise, salt, sugar, smoking, booze, too much animal fat, vehicles, processed foods, fentanyl for starters. Clean up all that shit and I bet average longevity would increase by 10 years!
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#797
Alberta officials are signalling they have no idea how to clean up toxic oilsands tailings ponds

The toxic waste of the Canadian oilpatch has been quietly spreading in the boreal forest since bitumen mining began near Fort McMurray in Northern Alberta in the 1960s.
The mix of clay, water, toxic acids, metals and leftover bitumen has sprawled in artificial ponds to cover an area twice the size of the city of Vancouver.
“It’s biologically and chemically an impossible fantasy,” said David Schindler, a renowned freshwater scientist and officer of the Order of Canada, when asked about Alberta's plan to clean up oilsands tailings #PriceofOil #oilsands #abpoli #cdnpoli
More than one trillion litres of the goop, called tailings, fill these man-made waste lakes that can be seen from space. An equivalent amount of water would take five days to tumble over Niagara Falls.
The contaminated tailings ponds attract and kill migrating birds. They emit methane and other greenhouse gases.

Despite years of public promises from officials that the tailings ponds would shrink and go away, they are growing. And in the meantime, troubling gaps are opening in the oversight system meant to ensure the oilpatch cleans up its mess. Alberta has collected only $1 billion from companies to help remediate tailings— a problem that is now estimated to cost about 100 times that.


https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/11/23/news/alberta-officials-are-signalling-they-have-no-idea-how-clean-toxic-oilsands-tailings
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#798
From cliffies link

Quote:

Oil companies are required to return the lands they develop to a natural state.

Blaming the victims is the trumphating way.

Alberta Officials are among the victims.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#799
Also ignoring that 1 pond has been remediated, but no certificate issued due to the NDP changing their requirements almost daily. The next cleanup cannot take place until the certificates are issued on the first project, the NDP keep changing their mind on what the parameters are required to issue the certificate.


Cliffy remember we went through this earlier this year already.
 
spilledthebeer
#800
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

There's a multitude of things more deleterious to people's health than climate change- lack of exercise, salt, sugar, smoking, booze, too much animal fat, vehicles, processed foods, fentanyl for starters. Clean up all that shit and I bet average longevity would increase by 10 years!


And China is a world leader in exporting fentanyl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yet Our idiot Boy and his LIE-beral losers want MORE TRADE with that oppressive and quite subversive regime!


But then Our idiot Boy has told us "he likes the way the Chinese get things done"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One has to ask if Our idiot Boy has read his fathers book about travelling in Red China- specifically the part where Pierre praises "the genius of Chairman Mao in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is harmful to our health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#801
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Alberta officials are signalling they have no idea how to clean up toxic oilsands tailings ponds

The toxic waste of the Canadian oilpatch has been quietly spreading in the boreal forest since bitumen mining began near Fort McMurray in Northern Alberta in the 1960s.
The mix of clay, water, toxic acids, metals and leftover bitumen has sprawled in artificial ponds to cover an area twice the size of the city of Vancouver.

“It’s biologically and chemically an impossible fantasy,” said David Schindler, a renowned freshwater scientist and officer of the Order of Canada, when asked about Alberta's plan to clean up oilsands tailings #PriceofOil #oilsands #abpoli #cdnpoli
More than one trillion litres of the goop, called tailings, fill these man-made waste lakes that can be seen from space. An equivalent amount of water would take five days to tumble over Niagara Falls.
The contaminated tailings ponds attract and kill migrating birds. They emit methane and other greenhouse gases.

Despite years of public promises from officials that the tailings ponds would shrink and go away, they are growing. And in the meantime, troubling gaps are opening in the oversight system meant to ensure the oilpatch cleans up its mess. Alberta has collected only $1 billion from companies to help remediate tailings— a problem that is now estimated to cost about 100 times that.


https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/11/23/news/alberta-officials-are-signalling-they-have-no-idea-how-clean-toxic-oilsands-tailings


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POOR STUPID CLIFFIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


He is not reading the news PROPERLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What it comes down to is that DEAD BROKE Alberta DOES NOT HAVE THE MONEY to do any sort of real cleanup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals and their less intelligent cousins of NDP are IGNORING the massive deficits and debts being run up in Alberta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is the usual LIE-beral socialist CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals made HUGE- long term promises to civil service union Hogs- based on expected SHORT TERM PROFITS from various industries that are now DYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Industries such as auto making, and oil production and the failure to develop new mining options in Northern Ontari-owe because of LIE-beral failure to fully "consult" with natives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Miners wanted a road into the so called Ring of Fire but LIE-berals only wanted to build a railway so they could control the entry of hunters and fishermen- thus protecting native hunting a fishing rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And is it not amusing how many times our hands are being tied due either to massive debts that we owe to Hogs- so much debt that we cannot afford anything else...............like new public transit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And so many COSTLY promises to drunken natives as well..............


natives demand jobs- and then BLOCK ANYTHING that might create jobs in their area!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And just to make sure that natives remain jobless- they refuse to attend school- UNLESS they have a can of gas and matches- to BURN THE PLACE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider this insurance problem- in light of the recent arson in Iqualuit that destroyed half the winter food supply:


Here is an article illustrating the utterly dysfunctional life in a typical native town. With some comments of my own brackets):

6 Nunavut schools are uninsurable because of past arsons

cbc.ca By Nick Murray

Nanook School in Iqaluit's satellite community of Apex is one of six uninsurable schools in Nunavut since its value is lower than the government's $20 million deductible.

Six schools in Nunavut are uninsurable because of the territory's sky-high insurance deductible, thanks to a pair of school arsons over the past few years.

According to Nunavut's Finance Department, the lone schools in the communities of Chesterfield Inlet, Whale Cove and Resolute Bay are valued at less than the government's $20 million deductible for property insurance . Two schools in Iqaluit and the elementary school in Gjoa Haven are also uninsurable. The department said the government doesn't pay insurance premiums on those six schools.

A deductible is the amount of money that the government has to pay out of pocket before the insurance company will reimburse any remaining value of the schools.

The government's insurance deductible rose to $10 million after Cape Dorset's Peter Pitseolak School was destroyed by arson in 2016 — at the time, the school was under-insured by $17 million .

The insurance company raised the deductible again in 2017 to $20 million after Kugaardjuq School in Kugaaruk burned down .

"Any school that's been burnt, and hopefully that will never happen, will have to be replaced through our appropriations. If they're valued at under $20 million, then we have to pay for the full amount," Finance Minister David Akeeagok told CBC News in March.

(This is not the first time that arsonists have played havoc with facilities in native communities! The tv show W-5 created by Eric Malling- now deceased- made quite a stir nearly 30 years ago detailing the series of arson`s on reserves- with multiple houses going up in smoke. Malling also exposed systemic corruption on reserves- in one case natives won govt funding to build a sawmill to harvest timber from their reserve land- after the mill was built it sat un-used for years and then was burned by arsonists- without ever cutting a single piece of wood- burned along with the majority of houses on the reserve beside the mill! Insurance companies have good reason to shun policies for natives!)

(IN another case two prisoners died in jail from a fire they had deliberately set in their own cells after being arrested for being drunk and disorderly! Sadly-the jail was home built and each cell was locked with padlocks- cops did not have time to find the right keys needed to release prisoners before fire engulfed the jail! To make matters worse- news media noted that a year AFTER the inquest into the deaths of the two men had ended- a prefabricated jail that had been supplied by govt was still laying ROTTING on the dock where it had been delivered- without the band bothering to assemble it!)

"For liabilities it's huge. With the amount of incidents that's taken place, we're trying to promote that people should [refrain] from doing these unnecessary incidents."

(No kidding! It is understandable that natives might not like white people much but the ugly reality is that natives are their own worst enemies! Violence, drug abuse and corruption are endemic on reserves! To make matters worse, LIE-berals have decided that condemning the gross corruption might lose them votes so they are going out of their way to pretend nothing is wrong!)

'We need to do more': MLA

Akeeagok said the government is doing what it can to mitigate arson potential at schools across Nunavut, including closing off access under buildings and installing security cameras in every school.

Specifically in Cape Dorset, the government hired a private company to provide 24-hour security services to protect Sam Pudlat Elementary School, according to documents obtained by CBC through Access to Information.

The government hired the security company after there were five arson attempts from the time Peter Pitseolak High School burned down in September 2015, to when the tender was ordered in December 2016.

Iqaluit-Tasiluk MLA George Hickes raised the issue in the Legislature mid-March, asking Minister Akeeagok what implications there would be with the territory's insurance provider if another school goes up in flames.

Akeeagok responded that the government needs to show insurance companies it's doing a better job of protecting schools.

(Screw the hopeless pursuit of insurance for schools! Clearly the priority now is surveillance and the arrest and punishment of aspiring arsonists!)

"We need to remind all of our students and all of the public that schools, health centres, garages are all of the public's buildings, and they are there to serve the public," Akeeagok said at the time.

(This is NOT a job for LIE-berals- they are far too busy telling white people we are all systemic racists and Islamophobes! LIE-berals are buying native votes by encouraging them to think they are victims of white racists instead of simply being to often violence prone, ill educated and drug addicted, with attitude problems!)

Speaking with CBC News Monday, Hickes said there's more the government can do to prevent schools from being intentionally burned down.

"There needs to be more diligence," Hickes said, pointing to a recent arson attempt in Iqaluit, and a break-in and vandalism of a school in Baker Lake in April.

"Thankfully those people who broke into the Baker Lake school didn't start a fire ... We need to do more from a security standpoint."

Arsons have wide-reaching impact

In a statement, Nunavut's Department of Finance said it's prepared if another school were to go up in flames, but said it will put a strain on other areas of funding programs and services.

(No kidding? The repeated loss of buildings in such isolated places where everything must be flown or trucked in from suppliers usually located thousands of miles away would strain any budget- especially in a communities where unemployment is routinely over 80 percent!)

"In the event of another school fire, the GN will be able to handle the costs of rebuilding a school, but this reduces funds available for other important programs and buildings. School fires have serious impacts on the GN's overall ability to deliver the programs and services Nunavummiut expect," the department said.
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"Also of concern, another school fire would have significant negative impacts on the GN's ability to purchase affordable property insurance for schools in the future."

The department said the government sets aside a contingency fund every year in its budget — $40 million in 2017/18 — which the government uses to cover emergencies and other unforeseen events like school fires, but also to introduce or expand new programs or infrastructure needs over the year.

(The arson at northern schools is symptomatic of a much larger problem! One has only to look at northern housing stocks to see that very few have waterproof siding installed and this allows them to deteriorate swiftly from water damage! We KNOW govt ships prefab housing to reserves- with the housing arriving ready to assemble and the packing crates contain everything from concrete foundation material to roofing supplies- so WHERE is the waterproof siding? WHY is it so often NOT INSTALLED? Shall we ask if natives sold it for BEER MONEY? And the related question is this: “why do LIE-berals seem not to care about this corruption and waste”?)
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#802
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

And China is a world leader in exporting fentanyl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yet Our idiot Boy and his LIE-beral losers want MORE TRADE with that oppressive and quite subversive regime!


But then Our idiot Boy has told us "he likes the way the Chinese get things done"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One has to ask if Our idiot Boy has read his fathers book about travelling in Red China- specifically the part where Pierre praises "the genius of Chairman Mao in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is harmful to our health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have no argument with you about Idiot boy. I made my opinion known on the day the Asshole won the election. (The f**king acorn doesn't fall far from the tree) China is like Walmart, they have a lot of garbage, but eventually the day comes when you need things like paper clips, nail clippers and cheap ball point pens and at times like that Walmart can come in down right handy. I've even bought jeans and underwear there.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#803
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Nazis love to speak in the language of the Fatherland.
*snicker*

Really?

How DO you say that in Merican, anywayze?
 
spilledthebeer
#804
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I have no argument with you about Idiot boy. I made my opinion known on the day the Asshole won the election. (The f**king acorn doesn't fall far from the tree) China is like Walmart, they have a lot of garbage, but eventually the day comes when you need things like paper clips, nail clippers and cheap ball point pens and at times like that Walmart can come in down right handy. I've even bought jeans and underwear there.


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YEAH- I have been to Walmart a few times myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But an occasional trip to Walmart is one thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SELLING YOUR SOUL to Walmart is another!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot BOY wants us to trade with China INSTEAD OF UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is for this reason he did his level best to WRECK NAFTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is an aspiring Soviet style dictator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the idiot BOY HATES WHITE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#805
If the human animal is making an impact on climate change, it's safe to say it's pretty minor and pretty temporary, if not, it will be the first time in history that man has been able to derail Mother Nature. We know in the long run Mother Nature will win the battle. It might take another five years but we can pretty well rest assured that climate will return to normal!
 
MHz
+1
#806
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

. . . and the winner of the quote was laughing all the way to the bank!!

Sounds like they made a bigger contribution to the political party in power than you. 'Pork-barrel politics' was the term before 'pay to play'.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#807
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Nein! Nein! Petrovich sez it's getting colder!

That's because he can read properly.

...and do maths

Unlike you weiner supporters.

NOTHING says climate change like a striped jailhouse tan. Not to mention the equality of the blacks and whites.

How democratic can you get?


LOOL, I wonder what gender those big guys are going to make wiener elect for himdolf this week.
Last edited by Danbones; Dec 2nd, 2018 at 07:51 AM..
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#808
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

That's because he can read properly.

...and do maths
Unlike you weiner supporters.
NOTHING says climate change like a striped jailhouse tan. Not to mention the equality of the blacks and whites.

How democratic can you get?
LOOL, I wonder what gender those big guys are going to make wiener elect for himdolf this week.

George Soros told me to write that at the Commienazi meeting down at the pizzeria with Hillary.

Weiner wasn't invited.
 
spilledthebeer
#809
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

George Soros told me to write that at the Commienazi meeting down at the pizzeria with Hillary.

Weiner wasn't invited.


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Here is an article illustrating what an utter hash all LIE-beral policy has fallen into! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Federal carbon tax rebates will exceed cost for most people affected

From Canadian Press. Published: October 23, 2018. Updated: October 23, 2018 7:49 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Canada

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Justin Trudeau promises carbon tax rebate in four provinces...2:23

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau pledged more than $2 billion in annual carbon tax rebates Tuesday as his Liberal government tried to persuade Canadians that putting a price on pollution is the best way to halt climate change.

(LIE-berals are in serious trouble with their hated carbon crap and trade tax scam! The LIE-beral plan is identical to the European model and all IT does is clean cash from wallets and leave the dirt in the air- AND Cdns KNOW THIS!)

Trudeau’s plan to slash Canada’s emissions was scoffed at by critics on both sides of the carbon tax argument. Groups that favour carbon prices argued Canada’s proposed cuts were nowhere near big enough while opponents accusing the government from buying votes to outright lying about whether the rebates will really offset the increased cost to families.

(Oh great- the loonie leftists are hell bent on DESTROYING our economy- while preserving ENTITLEMENTS for civil service union Hogs! The people-Hogs- who already have the biggest carbon foot print WILL CONTINUE to spew carbon while the rest of us starve or freeze in the dark!)

(The desires of devoted environmentalists will produce a society that looks a lot like something from the “Hunger Games”! With a glittering capitol city......and starving suburbs!)

Trudeau said there is both a “moral and economic imperative to act” to manage climate change so the next generations of Canadians aren’t left in a world where monster storms and massive droughts burn up or flood out major portions of the planet.

(There is increasing information to suggest that Our idiot Boy is making a major deal out of a simple issue- because he desperately NEEDS TO BUY VOTES! For instance- author Michael Crichton quotes climatologists who say the reason snow is melting off African Mount Kilimanjaro is because of LOCAL deforestation! Yes- most Africans cook with wood- and they are mowing down whatever trees the lumber companies do not get!)

(Deforestation raises local temperatures and the winds now blowing up to the peak of Kilimanjaro are melting the snow! The concept is easy to understand- a simple experiment in front yard in full sun versus back yard in heavy shade- on a typical Toronto summer day- reveals a temperature difference of FIFTEEN DEGREES Celsius - in a matter of 100ft space between test areas!)

(Multiply the deforestation over thousands of acres and it is easy to see why snow might melt on Kilimanjaro! And then ask HOW the LIE-beral carbon tax will benefit any body but LIE-berals and their Hog pals?)

“Will we kick this can down the road yet again to be dealt with in another place or at another time, or will we show some courage and do what needs to be done for this generation and the next?” he said, addressing students at Humber College in Toronto.

(YES- Our idiot Boy is doing nothing honest about our environment! One really QUICK way to heal the environment is to cut back on gravy for Hogs! If Hogs have less gravy then they will burn less of that costly carbon! But wait- LIE-berals DESPERATELY NEED Hog votes so they can cling to power- so there will be NO REAL climate efforts by LIE-berals- EVER!)

(Our idiot Boy wants us to get our of our cars and use public transit- the SAME WORN OUT AND OVER CROWDED TRANSIT that our parents used when populations were smaller! The idiot Boy should try building some new subways and then watch the cars get VOLUNTARILY parked!)

(It is all very well for LIE-berals to point to new Go bus routes and roughly upgraded Toronto street cars- I say roughly because a lot of them have mechanical problems- but street cars and Go busses go out onto the same old streets that were overcrowded 25 years ago! Only subways offer a TRUE improvement over cars and busses- of the sort that WILL DEFINITELY LURE commuters out of cars!)

Tuesday’s announcement set the stage for what will be a key issue in next year’s federal election. Trudeau promised a national price on carbon in the 2015 campaign. In 2016, he told provinces if they didn’t introduce their own price on carbon Ottawa would do it for them.

In 2017, he gave them almost a year to come up with a plan of their own that met federal standards. Four provinces did not, and so on April 1, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario and New Brunswick residents will start paying a $20 per tonne carbon tax on fossil fuels.

(What it comes down to is that 4 Cdn provinces have govts who do not intend to cater to our greedy civil service union Hogs! So Our idiot Boy is BUYING HOG VOTES by ramming his carbon crap and trade scam down our throats! And amazingly- Our idiot Boy THINKS this is a winning election strategy- even after hitting everybody- including Hogs- with $2 grand in new taxes!)

It will add around $2 to a tank of gas, or $8 to a monthly natural gas bill. The prices of many consumer goods and services will also go up to reflect the carbon tax that businesses pay. Ottawa estimates people in those provinces will pay between $202 and $403 more, on average, because of the carbon tax in 2019-20.

(THIS IS the dirty little carbon secret- LIE-berals will give us back chump change on our gas and heating bills- and will rake in bundles of cash on the everything else! With the added bonus that the carbon crap tax can be INCREASED every year- with NO GUARANTEE that your rebate will EVER INCREASE! LIE-berals TRULY ENJOY slimy bait and switch tactics!)

To minimize the impact of those costs, residents in those provinces will get carbon price rebates when they file their income taxes that range from an average $248 in New Brunswick, to $598 in Saskatchewan.

(Yes- and those rebates are GUARANTEED TILL AFTER LIE-berals get safely past the 2019 election!)

The amount paid depends on the amount and types of energy consumed. Payments will be determined based on family size. People who live outside big cities will get 10 per cent more to account for a higher reliance on fossil fuels and lack of access to things like public transit.

Officials said more than 70 per cent of households will end up receiving more than they pay.

(Gosh- most will get more than they paid? Is that yet ANOTHER LIE-beral “stretch goal” that will NEVER BE REACHED?)

The government expects to collect more than $2.36 billion from the four affected provinces in 2019-20, and says 90 per cent of the revenues collected will be returned to individuals via the rebates. The rest will be parceled out to small businesses, colleges, schools and hospitals in a special fund that has yet to be worked out.

(And it sounds VERY UNLIKELY those small businesses and schools and hospitals will be getting back more than THEY PAID! It sounds like LIE-berals are turning their carbon crap into anther mouldy green energy scam of the sort they worked on Ontari-owe electrical system!)

Trudeau says every penny will be rebated in some way and the program will be audited and publicly reported on each year. He said people can save even more by finding ways to reduce their energy use, and subsequently, their emissions.

Not everyone believes him, and the next election is shaping up to be a battle royale over the carbon price.

(Oh I have NO DOUBT LIE-berals WILL spend all that carbon tax crap money on SOMETHING! The problem thus far is I don’t like anything they are buying with MY MONEY!)

Conservative Party Leader Andrew Scheer, who has promised the carbon tax will be scrapped if he becomes prime minister, said Tuesday it is a lie that most people will get a rebate larger than their carbon tax bill.

“At the end of the day, Canadians know that a measly $12.50 a month will not cover the true cost of this carbon tax,” he said. “Life is going to get a lot more expensive for hardworking Canadians families and large industrial polluters are getting off scot free.”

(Large industrial polluters are ALREADY getting off free! Wynne-bag Ontari-owe LIE-berals exempted the 150 biggest polluters in Ontari-owe when she set up her carbon crap! And YES_ I do believe General Motors was one of those exempted! This is why a carbon tax only cleans up cash and not the air- LIE-berals have to keep exempting Big Biz in order to save jobs! But then most major unions vote LIE-beral anyway thanks to various LIE-beral back room deals!)
 
EagleSmack
#810
Most Canadians won’t change behaviour to fight climate change, poll says


http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...poll-says.html




Time for the eco-facists to gnash their teeth!


When you get right down to it... nobody really cares. When you get right down to it... nobody is really worried. When you get right down to it... nobody is willing to sacrifice anything.


*snicker*