should the police at G8/G20 have more ability?


Chiliagon
#1
I personally have no sympathy at all for these protestors who are breaking the law, smashing things and destroying public property and especially police property..

I heard that one night, in private they passed a law that gave the police the right to arrest someone if they refused to tell them who they were and what they were doing there.

the big argument was the fact they didn't announce it publicly and it caused a huge stir with the lawyers that were representing these people who were arrested under the new law.


Personally I agree with the new law (I didn't like how they passed it..) but these punks who are there just to create violence and destroy stuff should be handled in such a way that they never forget this.


I am glad they're getting arrested and man handled! they deserve it.

yet I think the people who are just hanging around to watch should just leave and not make things more difficult for them.

thoughts?
 
TenPenny
#2
The law in question has been on the books since 1936 or something like that. All it requires is for the government of the day to define what places and times it is in effect for, so all they did was define the area where the law would be applied.
 
FiveParadox
#3
The Public Works Protection Act of Ontario allows police to exercise those functions for any public works that exist in Ontario. All that happened here was an Order of the Lieutenant Governor-in-Council temporarily classifying the summit sites as “public works”, using a mechanism that had already existed in the Act. The media reported this issue improperly; police powers were not expanded, nor were they created out of nothing; these powers had always existed, but were just applied to another area temporarily.
 
Avro
#4
Anyone wearing black is a suspect.

Hooligans.
 
FiveParadox
#5
If someone approaches within five metres of the summit site and refuses to identify themselves or their purposes, they are absolutely a suspect.
 
MHz
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Chiliagon View Post

I personally have no sympathy at all for these protestors who are breaking the law, smashing things and destroying public property and especially police property..

I heard that one night, in private they passed a law that gave the police the right to arrest someone if they refused to tell them who they were and what they were doing there.

the big argument was the fact they didn't announce it publicly and it caused a huge stir with the lawyers that were representing these people who were arrested under the new law.


Personally I agree with the new law (I didn't like how they passed it..) but these punks who are there just to create violence and destroy stuff should be handled in such a way that they never forget this.


I am glad they're getting arrested and man handled! they deserve it.

yet I think the people who are just hanging around to watch should just leave and not make things more difficult for them.

thoughts?

How about the under-cover cops that instigate violence?
YouTube - Stop SPP Protest - Union Leader stops provocateurs
 
Chiliagon
#7
ya right.. i'm sure they really are instigating it. you conspirators.. sheesh
 
Avro
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Chiliagon View Post

ya right.. i'm sure they really are instigating it. you conspirators.. sheesh

Yeah sort of like the conspiracy behind the JFK murder.
 
relic
#9
So how many laws are announced to the public ?I'm all for civil dosobedience,but the these cowardly punks wewe just using the protests as a chance to smash stuff,I'd like to see them all do time,and pay for the stuff they destroyed,at least it should cost daddy a bunch for lawyers.
One question I have is,with all the cops there were on hand,how come they stood by and watched as the punks smashed and burned ?
 
Avro
#10
There is peaceful protest, ie, what labor and environmental groups did and then there is anarchy and that is what the black bloc did.
 
DurkaDurka
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Chiliagon View Post

I personally have no sympathy at all for these protestors who are breaking the law, smashing things and destroying public property and especially police property..

I heard that one night, in private they passed a law that gave the police the right to arrest someone if they refused to tell them who they were and what they were doing there.

the big argument was the fact they didn't announce it publicly and it caused a huge stir with the lawyers that were representing these people who were arrested under the new law.


Personally I agree with the new law (I didn't like how they passed it..) but these punks who are there just to create violence and destroy stuff should be handled in such a way that they never forget this.


I am glad they're getting arrested and man handled! they deserve it.

yet I think the people who are just hanging around to watch should just leave and not make things more difficult for them.

thoughts?

A lot of the people being detained were not protesters at all, but were people living in the area, I was there.

The protests took place in heavily populated area, you can't just expect people to hide inside the whole weekend.

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox View Post

If someone approaches within five metres of the summit site and refuses to identify themselves or their purposes, they are absolutely a suspect.

5 metres of the fence to be exact. You wouldn't have a chance in hell at getting within 5 metres of the convention centre. The fence was massive, to imply that if you refuse to show ID anywhere along the fence perimeter equals you being a suspect is ridiculous.
 
AnnaG
#12
Protesting is one thing; resorting to vandalism and destruction is something else. In a flurry of activity like a protest gone bad, I think it's unreasonable to expect the cops to avoid arresting some innocent bystanders.
 
DurkaDurka
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

Protesting is one thing; resorting to vandalism and destruction is something else. In a flurry of activity like a protest gone bad, I think it's unreasonable to expect the cops to avoid arresting some innocent bystanders.

Living in one's neighborhood should not open one up to arrest. People live there, it's not just a commercial strip where people shop.
 
AnnaG
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

Living in one's neighborhood should not open one up to arrest. People live there, it's not just a commercial strip where people shop.

Shyte happens. Les was walking home from a pizza place one time and was arrested as a troublemaker. He skirted the crowd and was grabbed from behind. Bad news for the people that grabbed him without warning (RCMP), but things were cleared up after a while and any charges were dropped, etc. He's not emotionally or psychologically scarred for life. lol
As he put it, a minor inconvenience. The cops even apologized even though a witness has seen Les down 9 cops before 8 more squeezed him into a van. lol No videos at the time, unfortunately, but it would have been interesting.
 
petros
#15
How many news people were arrested?
 
wulfie68
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

How many news people were arrested?

Probably none, because for them to claim their status as members of the press, they have to produce (and I believe in some instances display) their I.D.
 
EagleSmack
#17
A large number of G8 and G20 protesters are anarchists. All they want to do is riot and smash store and bank windows.
 
AnnaG
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

How many news people were arrested?

Toronto protest press arrested - Google Search

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

A large number of G8 and G20 protesters are anarchists. All they want to do is riot and smash store and bank windows.

Seems that way. It's stupid and wasteful.
 
DurkaDurka
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

How many news people were arrested?

Hundreds

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

A large number of G8 and G20 protesters are anarchists. All they want to do is riot and smash store and bank windows.

They were few to little. Only takes about 5-6 of them and they can cause all sorts of mayhem.

Few photos I took yesterday at Queen Street West:









 
AnnaG
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

Hundreds

Hundreds of news people were arrested? I didn't see anything in my search about ANY news people being arrested let alone hundreds.
 
EagleSmack
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka;1296731

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Great pic Durka!

The NWO ROCKS!
 
DurkaDurka
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

Hundreds of news people were arrested? I didn't see anything in my search about ANY news people being arrested let alone hundreds.

No, people in general. I misread his question.

"Officers made more than 900 arrests linked to the summit in the past 10 days, Jillian Van Acker, a representative of the G20 Integrated Security Unit, said Monday. However, early on Saturday morning, police said they had arrested a total of 32 people, meaning that close to 900 were arrested during the weekend alone."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1621198/

"
Police beat journalist covering G20: report"


Freelance journalist Jesse Rosenfeld says police beat him Saturday night in Toronto as he covered a G20 demonstration.
A second journalist who witnessed the incident said it was "not a great night for democracy."
Steve Paikin, host of TVO's The Agenda public affairs show, was watching protesters on a downtown Toronto street, the Esplanade, on Saturday night.
In a message posted on Twitter, Paikin wrote that the demonstration was peaceful. "It was like an old sit-in. No one was aggressive, and yet riot squad officers moved in."
Police told him to leave, and "as I was escorted away from the demonstration, I saw two officers hold a journalist."
"The journalist identified himself as working for the Guardian," Paikin tweeted. "He talked too much and pissed the police off. Two officers held him. A third punched him in the stomach. Totally unnecessary. The man collapsed. Then the third officer drove his elbow into the man's back."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/...#ixzz0sBR7h2D4"

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Great pic Durka!

The NWO ROCKS!

They were kinda smiling in that pic, not so much when the tear gas started flying. That's when I got the f out.
 
Colpy
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

A lot of the people being detained were not protesters at all, but were people living in the area, I was there.

The protests took place in heavily populated area, you can't just expect people to hide inside the whole weekend.



5 metres of the fence to be exact. You wouldn't have a chance in hell at getting within 5 metres of the convention centre. The fence was massive, to imply that if you refuse to show ID anywhere along the fence perimeter equals you being a suspect is ridiculous.

Absolutely! Five is complete off-base on this one. I'm not exactly your radical lefty, but I might have emptied my pockets of ID and gone down to lean on the fence.........
 
DurkaDurka
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Absolutely! Five is complete off-base on this one. I'm not exactly your radical lefty, but I might have emptied my pockets of ID and gone down to lean on the fence.........

I got searched a couple times yesterday, not exactly cool but I put up with it so I could take photos of the protest. The police seemed to mostly be looking for anyone wearing black clothing and being in their early 20's though. All in all, it was a sad affair and waste of money.
 
AnnaG
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post









Riverdance?
 
earth_as_one
#26
There were thousands of non-violent protesters and maybe a few hundred violent thugs. Police arrested some thugs, but they also arrested non-violent protesters, people mouthing off, news people, pedestrians...

What a stupid decision to have the summit in downtown Toronto. A billion dollar cocktail party. I had to work there all last week. The area felt like living in a police state.

Business owners are on the hook for loss of business and property damage. They should sue Harper.
 
AnnaG
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one View Post

Business owners are on the hook for loss of business and property damage. They should sue Harper.

.... and the cops for not doing a good enough job, and the thugs for being malicious, etc.

(No-one thought my riverdance comment was funny? Buncha Eeyores you guys are)
 
JLM
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Chiliagon View Post

I personally have no sympathy at all for these protestors who are breaking the law, smashing things and destroying public property and especially police property..

I heard that one night, in private they passed a law that gave the police the right to arrest someone if they refused to tell them who they were and what they were doing there.

Whether the cops should have more ability is only a secondary consideration. The people planning the charade should have a functioning brain. Toronto is just about the worst possible site. Churchill Mb. would make much more sense.
 
AnnaG
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Whether the cops should have more ability is only a secondary consideration. The people planning the charade should have a functioning brain. Toronto is just about the worst possible site. Churchill Mb. would make much more sense.

I'd ask Churchill if it wanted to host it first, though. lol
 
Colpy
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

.... and the cops for not doing a good enough job, and the thugs for being malicious, etc.

(No-one thought my riverdance comment was funny? Buncha Eeyores you guys are)

Actually, I lmao......
 

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