Britain would be far safer outside of the EU


Blackleaf
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When it comes to protecting Britain from terrorist attacks, it is clear that our membership of the European Union does more harm than good.

As part of their never-ending scaremongering to persuade undecided voters to vote in favour of EU membership, David Cameron and his Europhile supporters have hit on the new tactic of claiming the defence of the realm would be severely compromised by a “No” (to remaining in the EU) vote.

But this is complete nonsense...

Britain would be far safer outside of the EU


Contrary to what alarmist Europhiles say, the EU has absolutely nothing to do with Britain’s intelligence-gathering operations


British Prime Minister David Cameron gives a speech during the GLOBSEC Forum security conference in Bratislava, Slovakia.
Photo: EPA


By Con Coughlin
09 Feb 2016
The Telegraph

When it comes to protecting Britain from terrorist attacks, it is clear that our membership of the European Union does more harm than good.

As part of their never-ending scaremongering to persuade undecided voters to vote in favour of EU membership, David Cameron and his Europhile supporters have hit on the new tactic of claiming the defence of the realm would be severely compromised by a “No” vote.

Mr Cameron wants to return to the politics of alarmism this week by arguing that leaving the EU would mean our intelligence and security services would be deprived of crucial information from their European counterparts that could prevent Paris-style attacks on the streets of Britain.

This is utter nonsense. As with so many of the other claims being made by pro-EU campaigners to justify Britain remaining an EU member state, the intelligence argument does not bear close scrutiny.

For the truth is that the EU has absolutely nothing to do with Britain’s intelligence-gathering operations. On the contrary, the relationships that do exist between those European intelligence agencies, such as France’s DGSE, Germany’s BND and Britain’s MI6 and MI5 services, are governed by long-standing bilateral agreements – agreements, moreover, that would be completely unaffected by the outcome of a referendum on Britain’s EU membership.

Of these, our relationship with France’s DGSE, which dates back to the De Gaulle era and beyond, is pre-eminent. Our ties with Germany’s BND are also important, although German inhibitions about confronting Islamist-inspired extremism (the September 11 attacks, remember, were planned in Hamburg) and Berlin’s less confrontational stance towards Russia, means that the relationship is often patchy. Of the other European nations, only Scandinavian countries like Sweden and Denmark have provided useful intelligence in recent years.

But while these European relationships are important, by far the biggest contribution to Britain’s security is derived from its membership of the elite “Five Eyes” intelligence-sharing network , which was established in the Forties with Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the US. This means British intelligence officers are able to draw on their own intelligence sources to thwart terror attacks, rather than having to rely on Eurocrats to keep us safe.

Indeed, the only EU body that has any direct bearing on intelligence issues is Europol, which has pretensions of one day becoming the EU’s equivalent of the FBI.

But the failings of Europol, and the rest of the EU’s bureaucracy, have been brutally exposed by its inept handling of the migration crisis.

Because of its failure to put in place adequate vetting procedures to scrutinise the backgrounds of the estimated 1.5 million migrants who have made their way to the EU in the past year, EU officials have no way of distinguishing between those who are genuine refugees and Islamic State terrorists who are taking advantage of the crisis to set up terror cells in Europe.

Whatever Mr Cameron says, the truth is that the streets of Britain would be far safer without the EU than having to deal with the consequences of its rank incompetence.


Britain would be far safer outside of the EU - Telegraph
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Oh dear. This is rather bad news for the Europhiles. Scaremongerers the lot of them, and they've been caught out:


France insists it WON'T scrap the border deal with Britain as Cameron is left reeling by claims he's scaremongering after warning the Calais Jungle camp could come to Kent




David Cameron warned yesterday the border deal with France - which puts the British/French border at Calais - could be threatened by Brexit and Downing Street went so far as to claim 'thousands' of people could de-camp to Britain overnight.

However, French sources today made clear there were 'no plans' to reopen the 2003 Le Touquet treaty which established the working relationship.

Senior eurosceptics - including many in Mr Cameron's Conservative Party - were furious at what they saw as 'scaremongering' from the Prime Minister.

Sources at the Interior Ministry told the Mail: 'It is not the job of French ministers to get involved in subjects like this.

'There are no plans to reform the Touquet agreement, either by (French Interior Minister Bernard) Cazeneuve or anyone else.'

The insider said the minister was committed to tightening controls, and that leaving the French border open 'would be a disaster'.

Reacting to the today's reports, Ukip leader Nigel Farage said Mr Cameron was becoming 'more desperate'.


Mr Farage said: 'Le Touquet Treaty is a bilateral deal, nothing to do with the EU & of course international co-operation would continue once we leave the EU.

'David Cameron is doing anything he can to distract the British people from his disastrous, shambolic, pathetic EU deal.

'Once again we see the pro-EU establishment adopting fear and scaremongering tactics. I believe in Britain - we will thrive outside EU!'




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Last edited by Blackleaf; Feb 9th, 2016 at 08:03 AM..
 
Bar Sinister
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Why? Will leaving the EU make Britain more of an island? I can't see any of the factors in the article actually making Britain more secure and in fact this quote from the article makes it pretty clear that Britain already looks after its security without help from the EU.

For the truth is that the EU has absolutely nothing to do with Britain’s intelligence-gathering operations. On the contrary, the relationships that do exist between those European intelligence agencies, such as France’s DGSE, Germany’s BND and Britain’s MI6 and MI5 services, are governed by long-standing bilateral agreements – agreements, moreover, that would be completely unaffected by the outcome of a referendum on Britain’s EU membership.
 
Blackleaf
#3
And therefore there's your proof that Britain's being in the EU does NOT make Britain any safer as Cameron and the other Remain politicians are trying to scaremonger the most sophisticated electorate in the world into believing. Cameron and the other politicians who are trying to tell us that Britain is safer in the EU are LYING and SCAREMONGERING to try to get us to vote to remain in the EU.

Most British people can see through the europhiles' lies, as the recent polls which show the British electorate veering towards a vote to leave the EU show.

Quote:

Will leaving the EU make Britain more of an island?

Yes, it probably would actually because, according to the EU, Britain isn't an island.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

I can't see any of the factors in the article actually making Britain more secure

You obviously didn't read this bit:

Indeed, the only EU body that has any direct bearing on intelligence issues is Europol, which has pretensions of one day becoming the EU’s equivalent of the FBI.

But the failings of Europol, and the rest of the EU’s bureaucracy, have been brutally exposed by its inept handling of the migration crisis.

Because of its failure to put in place adequate vetting procedures to scrutinise the backgrounds of the estimated 1.5 million migrants who have made their way to the EU in the past year, EU officials have no way of distinguishing between those who are genuine refugees and Islamic State terrorists who are taking advantage of the crisis to set up terror cells in Europe.
 
Blackleaf
#4
Britain can enjoy the good life after Brexit

The case for leaving the EU is getting stronger every day, and now we must show what Brexit looks like


File photo: David Cameron has accepted there will be no deal before February – and the prospect of Brexit appears closer than ever Photo: AP

By David Campbell Bannerman
10 Feb 2016
The Telegraph

Now that the draft EU "deal" has been revealed the choice for the British people is crystallising. Remain will mean an unreformed EU free to steamroller forward its plans for an EU Army, common welfare and pensions, harmonised taxes and all the other trappings of a superstate. We will have a single European country.

The supposed triumphant "deal" will not make the slightest practical difference, nor is it legally enforceable or irreversible. So the deal is no more than an IOU, and addresses none of the key issues.

The other option is Leave - meaning the UK secures a trade deal with the EU which allows it to escape the political chains of the fast approaching EU Superstate and to take back control of our country. Leave means leaving the EU, not Europe, and staying in the international community – we would not exit the Council of Europe, UN, G8, NATO, IMF, Commonwealth or many other international bodies.

The Remain campaign is entirely negative. Yes, such "Project Fear" worked in Scotland - I was there from Inverness to Glasgow - because it was real.

But the scaremongering won't work for Brexit and the UK, because the reality is that up to five million EU jobs depend on access to the UK market, with an annual UK deficit in goods with the EU larger than some economies - a staggering £56billion. The UK is the EU's single largest trading partner and fifth largest world economy.



Indeed, only a third of EU trade is covered by any Free Trade Agreement now. Six out of ten of the EU's largest trade partners have no such agreement, including China which exports €279bn of goods to the EU annually. There is still no single market in services after 24 years - despite representing seventy per cent of the EU's GDP.

But there is a valid question being asked and that is: what will leaving look like? What is the positive alternative plan to EU membership? Crack this and Brexit wins.

My Conference, "The Good Life after Brexit", is being held with some irony in the former Conservative Party Headquarters, now the EU's spruced up Europe House in London.

It unites speakers from different campaign groups in the greater common cause: Liam Fox, David Davis, Nigel Farage, John Redwood, Graham Stringer, Dan Hannan, Bill Cash and Ian Paisley are all giving their own perspectives on the positive case for leaving. Whilst there is fierce competition for the final campaign group designation, this is a technical issue. All of these people will work for Brexit in whatever form the final campaign takes.

My answer on what the alternative plan should be called is "WTO Plus". All other benefits - democratic control, border control, economic control - flow from it. It is a simple and genuine alternative plan. So, you may ask, what on earth is it?

My plan for the UK outside of the EU combines a guaranteed basic trade deal based on current World Trade Organisation arrangements with a better free trade deal on top.

The basic deal is guaranteed whatever happens, as the UK and EU are both World Trade Organisation members in their own right and must follow its rules or be hauled into an international court.

This worst case scenario would mean tariffs on some goods. But I think we can do better than that. There are already indications that German car manufacturers would ensure their government does not impose tariffs on UK cars – why penalise BMW-owned Minis and Rolls Royces? There would be such demand from all sides for a better deal - for some added clauses sprinkled on top to make sure there weren't barriers to the trade that is so important for France, Germany and other EU member states. They need access to the UK market.

Of course, insanity could triumph. If the Germans and the French did cut their nose off to spite their face, the basic deal based on already existing World Trade Organisation agreements is a guaranteed fallback.

Put simply, if we get the basic trade deal, we win. If we get what I think we'll get, a beefed up trade deal that I call WTO Plus, we win big. It would mean retaining the tariff free access that we enjoy as EU members. But it would also mean more than that.

Once we have secured this access to the Single Market for the five per cent of businesses and eight per cent of the UK economy that trades with the EU, we are free to do a number of things.

Firstly, we will reassert democratic control. Westminster would be sovereign again instead of being a rubber stamp for nearly two thirds of our laws coming from the EU. The UK would take back its WTO seat off the EU and negotiate our own trade deals.

Secondly, we'd be free to remove the suffocating red tape that has seen the EU plunge in world competitiveness - from 36 per cent of world GDP in 1980 to just 20 per cent now. We could scrap damaging EU laws – up to 700,000 pages of the Acquis - paper the height of Nelson's Column.

Then think of the money saved - £55 million a day in membership fees. Would we spend the monies to ease austerity, build hospitals, invest in flood defences, bypasses or reopened rail lines? The choice is ours.

And finally, border control. Our borders are not secure without leaving the EU. Cologne migrants may only have to wait two years for EU passports - and do the public want 75 million Turks getting full access to the UK on top? No wonder the former head of Interpol has warned EU's freedom of movement is ideal for terrorists.

Our choice is a simple one. Subjugation or sovereignty. The case for leaving the EU is getting stronger every day.

David Campbell Bannerman MEP is Co-Chair of Conservatives for Britain


Britain can enjoy the good life after Brexit - Telegraph
Last edited by Blackleaf; Feb 10th, 2016 at 11:39 AM..
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#5
Britain would be safer in the outer solar system. Then you can all proudly call yourselves "astronaut".
 
Blackleaf
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Britain would be safer in the outer solar system. Then you can all proudly call yourselves "astronaut".

Brits will be the first people to leave the Solar System, on a British spaceship.
 
Sons of Liberty
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Brits will be the first people to leave the Solar System, on a British spaceship.

Maybe you should stop hitching rides to the ISS then?
 
Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Brits will be the first people to leave the Solar System, on a British spaceship.

outer space does not need you nasty beasts depositing your sewage anywhere but where you're at. Stay put and drop your turds where you live and don't be stinking up anywhere else you nasty bastard.
 
Sons of Liberty
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

outer space does not need you nasty beasts depositing your sewage anywhere but where you're at. Stay put and drop your turds where you live and don't be stinking up anywhere else you nasty bastard.

Gee wiz Ludlow, don't hold back lmao.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Brits will be the first people to leave the Solar System, on a British spaceship.

...made by British Leyland they'll be trying to go from Earth to Mars but they'll end up leaving the solar system when the steering wheel falls off in their hands.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
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Th EU is the most ineffective do nothing group on the planet. Oh they are good at one thing
hand ringing, and of late Britain has been the biggest indecisive hand ringing society on the
planet no they should remain in the EU ant teach the partners how to hand ring.
Actually the German people, not the German Government the people they are going to show
the rest how to stop hand ringing. They will put up with a year or so of what is going on then
they will solve their problem on the streets and in the ballot boxes
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sons of Liberty View Post

Maybe you should stop hitching rides to the ISS then?

We will do eventually. In the not too distant future a British starship carrying British scientists and astrophysicists will be leaving the Solar System and exploring the vast expanse outside of our solar neighbourhood, especially when you consider the huge annual growth which is taking place in the burgeoning British space industry.

Meanwwhile, Barack is destroying the US space agency.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

outer space does not need you nasty beasts depositing your sewage anywhere but where you're at. Stay put and drop your turds where you live and don't be stinking up anywhere else you nasty bastard.

I think, just as we saw with the Afghan people, aliens would much rather prefer a bunch of cool, calm, well-mannered, stiff-upper-lipped Britons landing on their planet winning hearts and minds than a bunch of loud, brash, uncivilised, trigger-happy Yanks.
 

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