Capitalism will save this world


petros
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#3091
Where did the world get $8.5T?
 
taxslave
+3
#3092
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

world governments have ponied up about $8.5 trillion and counting to keep the good ship Earth afloat.
What has capitalism done?

Supplied the 10 trillion required for the government to "give" back 8.5 trillion.
 
Cliffy
#3093
 
DaSleeper
+4
#3094
Still the fakebook addict huh?
 
pgs
+3
#3095
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

So how many wars has Trump started ? Again ?
 
DaSleeper
+3
#3096
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

So how many wars has Trump started ? Again ?

You will not get an answer if it's not on facebook!
 
pgs
+3
#3097
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

You will not get an answer if it's not on facebook!

But he is an imperialistic warmonger . Cliff must have the facts to back this up .
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+4
#3098
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

But he is an imperialistic warmonger . Cliff must have the facts to back this up .


Facebook is the source of all facts.
 
Hoid
#3099
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

This sort of talk invalidates the whole concept that Sept 11 happened for no reason.

It is much easier for people to live with the idea that terrorism is a mindless act committed by unthinking crazy people.
 
Gilgamesh
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#3100
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

How's that capitalism saving anything? It seems a desperate attempt to try and save a sinking ship.

Capitalists desperately trying to fix their own colossal mess.

Not sure if capitalismalone can save the world. However, it is certainly the best documented and successful choice. In less than a century, for all its admitted faults, it has raised 3 billion out of poverty increased crops, & by giving 3rd world women better control over their reproductive cycle raised them out of poverty.

However, any and all other "isms" especially Socialism, Communism, Authoriarianism, theocracies, and religion ALL have a much much worse proven historical record.

The only people against Capitalism are gullible uneducated and ignorant fools, and traitors.

Google and your public library are your friends. Surprise,surprise !

Hey! You might even become educated.
 
Dixie Cup
+3
#3101
How's that capitalism saving anything? It seems a desperate attempt to try and save a sinking ship.
Capitalists desperately trying to fix their own colossal mess.

Ah, you've drank the socialist kool aide have yuh? Well I would strongly suggest that you take Gilgameshs' advice and do some research. I think you will be "educated" and learn that while capitalism has it's issues, he is absolutely right in stating historically, socialism, communism, etc., etc., have failed miserably and always will. Humans are greedy suckers and you'll find yourself at the bottom of the barrel, being fed crap while those who insist that they know better than everyone else feed off of you to your detriment. Remember, you heard that here first!!
 
Girth
#3102
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Not sure if capitalismalone can save the world. However, it is certainly the best documented and successful choice. In less than a century, for all its admitted faults, it has raised 3 billion out of poverty increased crops, & by giving 3rd world women better control over their reproductive cycle raised them out of poverty.
However, any and all other "isms" especially Socialism, Communism, Authoriarianism, theocracies, and religion ALL have a much much worse proven historical record.
The only people against Capitalism are gullible uneducated and ignorant fools, and traitors.
Google and your public library are your friends. Surprise,surprise !
Hey! You might even become educated.

That's for sure. America is in danger of going from Capitalism to Authoritarianism, with a Trump re-election. It would be no different than a South American dictatorship. The American people are going to choose the lessor of two evils. Biden will be elected.
 
Girth
#3103
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

So how many wars has Trump started ? Again ?

Trump would never start a war. He is worse at foreign affairs than business. And that is really saying something.
 
Cliffy
#3104
 
Serryah
+1
#3105
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Not sure if capitalismalone can save the world. However, it is certainly the best documented and successful choice. In less than a century, for all its admitted faults, it has raised 3 billion out of poverty increased crops, & by giving 3rd world women better control over their reproductive cycle raised them out of poverty.

However, any and all other "isms" especially Socialism, Communism, Authoriarianism, theocracies, and religion ALL have a much much worse proven historical record.

The only people against Capitalism are gullible uneducated and ignorant fools, and traitors.

Google and your public library are your friends. Surprise,surprise !

Hey! You might even become educated.

I don't think Socialism should be in with this, TBH.

Because when you look at it, the US, Canada and other countries are all wholely or in part Socialism-Capitalism countries, it just varies on the degree of both.

And no pure Communism has ever been tried, so we don't know if it'd truly work.

The rest though has happened lots over history so we know how much fail it is.
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#3106
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I don't think Socialism should be in with this, TBH.
Because when you look at it, the US, Canada and other countries are all wholely or in part Socialism-Capitalism countries, it just varies on the degree of both.
And no pure Communism has ever been tried, so we don't know if it'd truly work.
The rest though has happened lots over history so we know how much fail it is.

I guess you missed the history class that covered 1917-1991 Russia/USSR part
 
pgs
#3107
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

That's for sure. America is in danger of going from Capitalism to Authoritarianism, with a Trump re-election. It would be no different than a South American dictatorship. The American people are going to choose the lessor of two evils. Biden will be elected.

You may just get what you wish for good and hard .
 
pgs
+2
#3108
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

Trump would never start a war. He is worse at foreign affairs than business. And that is really saying something.

After Fifty odd years in the senate , how many wars has Joe Biden signed off on ?
 
pgs
+2
#3109
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I don't think Socialism should be in with this, TBH.

Because when you look at it, the US, Canada and other countries are all wholely or in part Socialism-Capitalism countries, it just varies on the degree of both.

And no pure Communism has ever been tried, so we don't know if it'd truly work.

The rest though has happened lots over history so we know how much fail it is.

We know exactly how it would truly work , the leaders will live high on the hog and the rest will barely survive . And it has been tried with the same result every time .
 
Serryah
#3110
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

I guess you missed the history class that covered 1917-1991 Russia/USSR part


Nope, I didn't.

You must have though.
 
Hoid
+1
#3111
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I don't think Socialism should be in with this, TBH.

Because when you look at it, the US, Canada and other countries are all wholely or in part Socialism-Capitalism countries, it just varies on the degree of both.

And no pure Communism has ever been tried, so we don't know if it'd truly work.

The rest though has happened lots over history so we know how much fail it is.

There has never been a true communist state just like there has never been a true democratic state.

Both tend to devolve into authoritarian regimes.

It is impossible for people who see only black and white to understand the nuance of anything.
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#3112
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Nope, I didn't.
You must have though.

Huh? They were not ruled by a communist political agenda? The cold war had it all wrong?
 
Serryah
+1
#3113
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Huh? They were not ruled by a communist political agenda? The cold war had it all wrong?


No, they weren't.

Yes, the Cold War had it wrong.
 
Girth
#3114
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I don't think Socialism should be in with this, TBH.
Because when you look at it, the US, Canada and other countries are all wholely or in part Socialism-Capitalism countries, it just varies on the degree of both.
And no pure Communism has ever been tried, so we don't know if it'd truly work.
The rest though has happened lots over history so we know how much fail it is.

Not much socialism in the United States,but if one were to look at some European countires that do have socialist parties (like the NDP), either in opposition or have had terms running the country, most have a relatively good quality of life. Most Scandinavian countries are ruled by Social Democrats. Even the Liberal Party could be considered social democratic, considering they are slightly left of center on the political spectrum.
 
Girth
#3115
The problem with the Cold War, was both the USA and USSR was to overzealous to prevent other countries from implementing their enemies political ideology.

IN America, this is what led to the Vietnam War (preventing the Communist Viet Kong from taking control of the SOuth, which was under a French mandate at the time). It also was the reasons behind the Korean War, an the Blockade of Berlin, and the Cuban missle crisis. The anti-Communist sentiment was so strong that it prevented the US from doing their due diligence in punishing ex-Nazis for war crimes, as the focus shifted to battling the Soviets for control of the liberated countries. In the 1950s, there were the infamous McCartyism hearings, which could destroy ones life, if labelled Communist, for being too left of centre. Charlie Chaplin's career was ruined and he was forced into exile for falsely being branded a Communist sympathizer. Additionally, the CIA often would interfere in elections in Latin America, in fear of a party they deemed to left of centre (socialist) running the Government, and would often give military aid to Dictatorships in Chile, Argentina, and other nations with Autocratic Governments.

In the USSR, it was even worse. The Soviets often labelled minorities and outspoken intellectuals "enemies of the state" and sent them to prison camps in Siberia. This also happened to Russian soldiers, who liberated parts of Germany, Austria, and had spend too much time forming bonds with AMerican and British GI's in 1945. Stalin was so fearful that the soldiers would spread word that Americans were not there ruthless capitalist pigs, that he put many soliders in camps.

The Soviets also enacted brutal measures to suppress uprisings in Eastern Europe. Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Poland all suffered greatly from Soviet oppression. The Soviets also persecuted religious leaders, especially Jews, and purged them from key positions in Government, and refused to let them leave the country.
 
Dixie Cup
+3
#3116
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

Not much socialism in the United States,but if one were to look at some European countires that do have socialist parties (like the NDP), either in opposition or have had terms running the country, most have a relatively good quality of life. Most Scandinavian countries are ruled by Social Democrats. Even the Liberal Party could be considered social democratic, considering they are slightly left of center on the political spectrum.

Actually, none of the Scandinavian countries are "socialist". They may have some socialist policies but they are very much capitalists otherwise, they wouldn't be able to support said socialist policies.

Canada, like the U.S. have some socialist policies but both are capitalist countries. For Canada, the Canada Pension Plan, Employment Insurance & Health Care; in the U.S. do they not also pay into a pension plan & have unemployment insurance? Those are socialist policies supported by capitalism.

Stating that Scandinavian countries are socialist is totally copying what Bernie Sanders keeps saying and it's false. Google the Leader of Denmark where he actually goes public to challenge Bernie's contention that they're a socialist country. And, because of the cost, they're reducing some social benefits.

So, you have to understand pure socialism will not work because eventually someone has to pay "the piper" and when the "piper" is broke, then what? Believe me, like Venezuela, the so-called "leaders" aren't suffering, just the rest of the population.
 
Girth
#3117
Baby got back.
 
bob the dog
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#3118
Trouble with capitalism imo is that a better strategy came along to invest time working in the public sector as a way of meeting physiological needs with ample disposable income left over. There is no incentive to try and be productive. Raise your children and pay your mortgage, live aimlessly.
 
bob the dog
+2
#3119
Etchasketch buying Rubiks Cube. I like it.

In other news Rip Van Winkle appears to be waking
 
Cliffy
#3120
 

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