Saudi Arabia expelling Canadian ambassador, suspending new trade


Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#511
Khashoggi crisis is a reckoning for Jared Kushner


For President Trump, who has made Saudi Arabia the fulcrum of his Middle East policy, the possible murder of a Saudi journalist in Turkey is a looming diplomatic crisis. For Trump��s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, it is a personal reckoning.

More than anyone in the Trump administration, Kushner has cultivated Saudi Arabia��s crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman �� who may have played a role in the disappearance of the journalist, Jamal Khashoggi �� elevating the prince to a key ally in the Arab world and the White House��s primary interlocutor to the kingdom.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...X_News%20Brief
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#512
Trudeau defends Canada's diplomatic jab at Saudi Arabia as questions mount over fate of missing journalist
 
Blackleaf
+1
#513
When Russia attacks people on foreign (British) soil, Britain quite rightly condemns Russia.

But when Saudi Arabia attacks someone on foreign soil, Britain stays silent on the issue and carries on proclaiming that Saudi Arabia is a great ally.
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#514
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

When Russia attacks people on foreign (British) soil, Britain quite rightly condemns Russia.
But when Saudi Arabia attacks someone on foreign soil, Britain stays silent on the issue and carries on proclaiming that Saudi Arabia is a great ally.

No shyte. You did that exact thing to Canada this summer. Canada has ALWAYS been there in your time of need but the British have sold out to barbarians, instead.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#515
Trump’s response to Khashoggi murder reveals he’s more than willing to look the other way — for a price

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/tru..._notifications

No surprise. What is one reporter savagely murdered compared to MEGgA buck contracts.?
 
coldstream
#516
Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS)

Prince Mohammmed is aggressive, arrogant, cruel, confrontational, violent and reckless. Something like this was inevitable; he was constantly testing the limits of his power. He is a tyrant working under a pretense of reform. And he does not conform to the archetype of the House of Saud. They want their Kings to be seen as Benevolent, Devout, Tribal God Fathers. Men of the Tent and the Desert like Saud, Faisal, Abdullah. Not of a French Chateaux, $500 million dollar yacht and, $450 million dollar Leonardo da Vinci portrait of Jesus. This is an affront to the Royal Family's desire for restraint, subtlety, dignity. A reckoning is brewing.

Jared Kushner

There is one name behind the Trump Administration's close alliance with MbS and his reluctance to move decisively against him. That is Jared Kushner who deems himself a 'friend' of the Prince. He has been an asymetrical force in the Whitehouse whose primary policy direction are those of economic nationalism, restoration of borders and, reining in the Global activism of the U.S.

He comes from a (rich) family of high profile NYC Zionist activists. They are very much aligned with Netanyahu's vision of a Greater Jewish Israel that encompasses East Jerusalem and the West Bank. And it is Netanyahu's faction that has deemed Iran as the greatest threat to this vision. (Sunni) Saudi Arabia and MbS are seen as the greatest counter balance to (Shia) Iran in the Islamic Middle East.

Kushner comes from these deep Zionist roots and is in temperament a Liberal Democratic Globalist. He has insinuated himself in the Nationalist, Populist, Conservative, sensibilities of Trump movement as a powerful crosswind to its natural course.

Kushner has been integral to:
The movement of the American Embassy to Jerusalem;
The nullification of the Iran Agreement to prevent its nuclearization;
The arming of the Saudis to prosecute a war with Iran aligned Yemen;
The MCA-FTA (a debacle and sellout of Canada);
The direction of Michael Flynn to meet with the Russian Ambassador to lobby for a UN Vote favourable to Israel before Trump's inauguration, which led directly to his indictment for lying to the FBI.
.. and much else..

A lot of creepy thing happen around Kushner but Trump has a blind spot of that because of his daughter Ivanka. Jared is not part of the program. He is actively working against Trump's interests and the President will have to move him out of the role as Chief Advisor on foreign affairs if he is not to see his Foreign Policy ship founder.

AND Trump has no option now but to move forcefully against the Prince.
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#517
Trump will do as little as possible to break up the Trump/Putin/KinJungUn/Salman Alliance that he's put together to counter the evil Canada/Sweden/Germany/EU/NATO Axis that threatens MAGA!!

Standards must be maintained for the Great Republic.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#518
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS)

Prince Mohammmed is aggressive, arrogant, cruel, confrontational, violent and reckless. Something like this was inevitable; he was constantly testing the limits of his power. He is a tyrant working under a pretense of reform. And he does not conform to the archetype of the House of Saud. They want their Kings to be seen as Benevolent, Devout, Tribal God Fathers. Men of the Tent and the Desert like Saud, Faisal, Abdullah. Not of a French Chateaux, $500 million dollar yacht and, $450 million dollar Leonardo da Vinci portrait of Jesus. This is an affront to the Royal Family's desire for restraint, subtlety, dignity. A reckoning is brewing.

Jared Kushner

There is one name behind the Trump Administration's close alliance with MbS and his reluctance to move decisively against him. That is Jared Kushner who deems himself a 'friend' of the Prince. He has been an asymetrical force in the Whitehouse whose primary policy direction are those of economic nationalism, restoration of borders and, reining in the Global activism of the U.S.

He comes from a (rich) family of high profile NYC Zionist activists. They are very much aligned with Netanyahu's vision of a Greater Jewish Israel that encompasses East Jerusalem and the West Bank. And it is Netanyahu's faction that has deemed Iran as the greatest threat to this vision. (Sunni) Saudi Arabia and MbS are seen as the greatest counter balance to (Shia) Iran in the Islamic Middle East.

Kushner comes from these deep Zionist roots and is in temperament a Liberal Democratic Globalist. He has insinuated himself in the Nationalist, Populist, Conservative, sensibilities of Trump movement as a powerful crosswind to its natural course.

Kushner has been integral to:
The movement of the American Embassy to Jerusalem;
The nullification of the Iran Agreement to prevent its nuclearization;
The arming of the Saudis to prosecute a war with Iran aligned Yemen;
The MCA-FTA (a debacle and sellout of Canada);
The direction of Michael Flynn to meet with the Russian Ambassador to lobby for a UN Vote favourable to Israel before Trump's inauguration, which led directly to his indictment for lying to the FBI.
.. and much else..

A lot of creepy thing happen around Kushner but Trump has a blind spot of that because of his daughter Ivanka. Jared is not part of the program. He is actively working against Trump's interests and the President will have to move him out of the role as Chief Advisor on foreign affairs if he is not to see his Foreign Policy ship founder.

AND Trump has no option now but to move forcefully against the Prince.

How forcefully and WILL HE??
 
MHz
-1
#519
Good example of why you should read more and type less.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-cbs-interview
Trump vows 'severe punishment' if Saudis killed Jamal Khashoggi



President speaks in CBS interview to be shown on Sunday and says: ‘There’s a lot at stake … because this man was a reporter’





The president said this week the US would not forego lucrative arms deals with Riyadh.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#520
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Good example of why you should read more and type less.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-cbs-interview
Trump vows 'severe punishment' if Saudis killed Jamal Khashoggi



President speaks in CBS interview to be shown on Sunday and says: ‘There’s a lot at stake … because this man was a reporter’





The president said this week the US would not forego lucrative arms deals with Riyadh.

Yes.....THAT is what he said.
 
MHz
#521
1 suicided, via self dismemberment, Muslim reporter that was a 'traitor' to the KSA or $49B in arms sales for weapons that will never be used, but it sure helps the Yankee economy so the interest payment to the World Banks can be made on time. Do the math on which path he will be told to take.
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#522
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Good example of why you should read more and type less.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-cbs-interview
Trump vows 'severe punishment' if Saudis killed Jamal Khashoggi
President speaks in CBS interview to be shown on Sunday and says: ‘There’s a lot at stake … because this man was a reporter’
The president said this week the US would not forego lucrative arms deals with Riyadh.

It reminds me of the bigly sanctions imposed on North Korea that were dropped like a live grenade after the North Koreans agreed to give up nothing but a cheesy photo op.
 
MHz
#523
This North Korea??

Any waffles are cooked up in the US kitchens. See how easy it is to show somebody is full of shit these days?
https://www.newsweek.com/south-korea...ges-us-1167838
South Korean President Moon Jae-in called on the U.S. to officially declare an end to the Korean War during an interview Friday, adding that the North had “promised complete denuclearization.”
“If North Korea takes certain measures, the end-of-war declaration would be a political statement that would announce that the long-standing hostile relations between Pyongyang and Washington had ended,” Moon told the BBC, adding that he wanted the declaration to happen at the “earliest possible date.”
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un (left) and South Korean President Moon Jae-in (center) during a visit to Samjiyon guesthouse in Samjiyon, North Korea, on September 20. Moon said that North Korea has promised to complete denuclearization and urged the U.S. to officially declare an end to the Korean War.
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#524
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

This North Korea??
Any waffles are cooked up in the US kitchens. See how easy it is to show somebody is full of shit these days?
https://www.newsweek.com/south-korea...ges-us-1167838
South Korean President Moon Jae-in called on the U.S. to officially declare an end to the Korean War during an interview Friday, adding that the North had “promised complete denuclearization.”
“If North Korea takes certain measures, the end-of-war declaration would be a political statement that would announce that the long-standing hostile relations between Pyongyang and Washington had ended,” Moon told the BBC, adding that he wanted the declaration to happen at the “earliest possible date.”
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un (left) and South Korean President Moon Jae-in (center) during a visit to Samjiyon guesthouse in Samjiyon, North Korea, on September 20. Moon said that North Korea has promised to complete denuclearization and urged the U.S. to officially declare an end to the Korean War.

"Complete de-nuckearization" means "Yankee go home and take your nuclear powered aircraft carriers, submarines and any nukes on your bases with you."

The Yanks will not do that.
 
MHz
#525
The US running out of wars would bring on a bigger depression than the 'Dirty 30's' when being a hobo was having a high-paying job. The picks always seemed to fall off the top of the rail car before the train made the next town.
 
justducky
+1
#526
https://politicalwire.com/2018/10/13...s-own-killing/

"SNIP.....

Saudi Dissident May Have Recorded His Own Killing

October 13, 2018 at 7:48 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 31 Comments

“Missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi may have recorded his own death, a Turkish newspaper reported Saturday morning,” CNN reports.

“Khashoggi turned on the recording function of his Apple Watch before walking into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2, according to Sabah newspaper.”

.....SNIP"
 
MHz
#527
The US will still back the KSA when they say it was doctored by Russian hackers. Welcome to the real world. Want some protection for your clean shoes?
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#528
Saudi state-owned media warns Russia will install permanent military base if US imposes sanctions

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...oses-sanctions
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
+2
#529
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Saudi state-owned media warns Russia will install permanent military base if US imposes sanctions
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...oses-sanctions

What utter bullshyte. The Russians and Iran are tight, tight and the Saudis and Iranians are bitter enemies (EXTREMELY bitter sectarian enemies). The Russians will be forced to choose between the two and after decades of backing up Iranian surrogates like Hamas and the Syrians, no one will believe a word that they say, anymore.

Fake news in spades ...
 
Hoid
+1
#530
Its odd that having a foreign army on their soil supposedly led to 911, and now they are basically inviting another one in.

It's time the Saudis were held to account. I know they have all the oil but who cares?
 
MHz
#531
The regular people would love ISIS compared to the overlords they have now. I repeat, the regular people would love ISIS compared to the overlords they have now.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#532
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

The regular people would love ISIS compared to the overlords they have now. I repeat, the regular people would love ISIS compared to the overlords they have now.

Not much of a choice.
 
MHz
#533
ISIS can be given the UN human rights docs, the KSA have had them for 70 years
 
Hoid
#534
Saudi embassy in Turkey being searched for evidence/remnants of the missing journalist.

They should look behind the fridge. When I'm missing something that's nearly always where it is.
 
MHz
#535
How you you say, 'the fix is in.' in English?
https://sputniknews.com/world/201810...ing-khashoggi/

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - US President Donald Trump said on Monday that he spoke by phone with Saudi Arabia's King Salman, who denied any knowledge of what happened to journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who went missing earlier this month during a visit to the kingdom's consulate in Turkey.

"Just spoke to the King of Saudi Arabia who denies any knowledge of whatever may have happened 'to our Saudi Arabian citizen.' He said that they are working closely with Turkey to find answer," Trump said in a Twitter statement.
Following the phone conversation, the US president suggested that Saudi Arabia's King Salman could believe that rogue killers were behind the disappearance of the journalist.
"That being said, the king firmly denied any knowledge of it, he didn't really know. Maybe, I don't want to get into his head, but it sounded to me like maybe these could have been rogue killers, who knows," Trump told reporters.
 
coldstream
#536
There's likely a lot of intrigue going on under the surface in the unified front presented by the Saudi government. Both the lives of the Crown Prince and Supervisory Council of Senior Saudi Princes who control the succession are likely in jeopardy. As are those of the death squad who conducted the murder.

The Saudi family sees itself as a Board of Directors who assign a King and Crown Prince as executives who serve at the pleasure of the family. They will not take well to a Tyrant in Chief; especially one as reckless and ambitious as MbS. He has none of the apparent gravitas or dignity of his predecessors.

They are facing withdrawal of investment, flight of capital, stock market collapse and diplomatic isolation. As far as threats of retaliation for sanctions, the Saudis are holding no cards. Although they have the world's largest retrievable oil reserves their economy has no native industry or agriculture. They ship oil or they starve.
Last edited by coldstream; Oct 15th, 2018 at 01:14 PM..
 
Hoid
#537
They ship oil or we all starve.
 
MHz
#538
. . . except Albertans for obvious reasons. The east will be livable again once the perishing and rotting of dead flesh is over.
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#539
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

There's likely a lot of intrigue going on under the surface in the unified front presented by the Saudi government. Both the lives of the Crown Prince and Supervisory Council of Senior Saudi Princes who control the succession are likely in jeopardy. As are those of the death squad who conducted the murder.

The Saudi family sees itself as a Board of Directors who assign a King and Crown Prince as executives who serve at the pleasure of the family. They will not take well to a Tyrant in Chief; especially one as reckless and ambitious as MbS. He has none of the apparent gravitas or dignity of his predecessors.

They are facing withdrawal of investment, flight of capital, stock market collapse and diplomatic isolation. As far as threats of retaliation for sanctions, the Saudis are holding no cards. Although they have the world's largest retrievable oil reserves their economy has no native industry or agriculture. They ship oil or they starve.

Well, #2 in oil, now...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...n_oil_reserves
 
MHz
#540
Too funny for words, really.


https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/...i-US-sanctions
The report, written by the network’s General Manager Turki Aldakhil, stated: “Imposing any type of sanctions on Saudi Arabia by the West will cause the kingdom to resort to other options.”
Iran realignment, warmer Russia ties
Aldakhil warned that his country would even consider giving a military base to Russia in Tabuk, northwest of Saudi Arabia, a strategic area near Syria, Israel, Lebanon and Iraq.
“At a time where Hamas and Hezbollah have turned from enemies into friends, getting this close to Russia will lead to a closeness to Iran and maybe even a reconciliation with it,” he added.