Postal Strike


Walter
-3
#1
I just picked up my gas and hydro bills and both of them had notices in them not to pay through the mails since there might be a postal strike in the offing. First I've heard of it. Are the posties hitting the bricks?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+2
#2
I heard a warning about it from one of my credit cards. I only get one bill by mail and I can get that online if I need to so no big deal. I mail maybe 3 letters a year. Let them strike. Of course, the current PM no doubt will give them a nice big bonus. Not sure if it is inside or outside workers.
 
B00Mer
+1
#3
Have you ever heard of email?? Welcome to 2016.

 
spaminator
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Postal Strike

Canada pissed.
 
Walter
-2
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Have you ever heard of email?? Welcome to 2016.

But Justine.
 
Mowich
+3
#6  Top Rated Post
I mailed the grand total of 1 letter this year. Last year - no a single one. Let them strike. I get all my bills by email and pay all of them online.
 
Johnnny
#7
I do everything on credit, I know I know... But at the end of the day they get their money and I pay it off to keep prime+ niiiiigggggggaaaaaa!!!!
Last edited by Johnnny; Jun 24th, 2016 at 04:18 PM..
 
lone wolf
+1
#8
I do mine online. Local postie isn't as famous for good service as she is for losing things
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

I heard a warning about it from one of my credit cards. I only get one bill by mail and I can get that online if I need to so no big deal. I mail maybe 3 letters a year. Let them strike. Of course, the current PM no doubt will give them a nice big bonus. Not sure if it is inside or outside workers.

The warning I got was by e-mail btw.
 
B00Mer
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

I mailed the grand total of 1 letter this year. Last year - no a single one. Let them strike. I get all my bills by email and pay all of them online.

Like most people in the 21st century.. If I really need to send something, UPS because it has to be there fast.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Like most people in the 21st century.. If I really need to send something, UPS because it has to be there fast.

UPS? LOL Try any other courier. UPS really sucks. Worse than the post office.
 
tay
+2 / -2
#12
Michael Laxer highlight how the manufactured problems at Canada Post - with consistent profits deemed insufficient without explanation in order to attack working conditions, and plans for a postal bank which would both raise profits and provide an important public service given short shrift - are only part of the wider hostility against the public sector.



The "problems" facing Canada Post are entirely ideological

Canada's politicians and media have bought into a long-term project driven by right-wing notions of society and the economy that seeks to re-frame public services as "businesses" that should be run "efficiently" along the lines allegedly followed by the private sector.

While the mythology of the private sector's supposed efficiency is nothing more than that, mythology, that is a matter for a different article.

What is abundantly clear is that by seeking to apply fictional market ideals to government run services successive governments have sought -- intentionally or instinctively -- to change the way the public views these services by no longer treating them as services at all.

Canada Post is run not as a public service for the public interest but as a corporation that seeks to make a profit, which is not the purpose of a public service.

Last year Canada Post actually made a profit of $63 million. While this is, I suppose, a positive thing, it also means that there is at minimum $63 million that could be put back into providing a still very necessary service for the Canadian people and businesses.

Yet Canada Post on its own webpage bemoans this profit as somehow insufficient and states "The profit is modest compared to the Corporation's revenue and the significant challenges we face as a company."

What company? What Corporation? Reading this you would have no idea that this "company" was government run and was, at least once-upon-a-time, designed to serve the interests of the people of Canada. It reads as a private company's announcement to shareholders would and shows how far along the path to eventual privatization Canada Post's management has taken it

All of the "issues" facing Canada Post, from the desire of management to eliminate door-to-door delivery, to the constant increase in postal rates, to its confrontational stance taken towards its own workers that are leading to this impending lockout, are driven by this notion of the postal service as a for-profit enterprise and all of them could be dealt with by changing this fundamentally flawed and anti-public service neoliberal approach.

The irony is that this ethos is even harmful to the very private sector that encourages it. Canada Post's rates have gone up-and-up-and-up and are not at all competitive versus the United States Postal Service as anyone who depends on parcel delivery for their business is well aware. Instead of the government subsidizing the postal service sufficiently to keep rates low, Canada Post has kept increasing rates despite having turned a profit in all but two of the last 21 years. This puts Canadian retailers at a direct competitive disadvantage.

The ethos is also the very basis of Canada Post's "rush-to-the-bottom" attitudes to employees imported from the private sector that seeks to maximize profit at the expense of workers even if this leads to a socially and economically harmful labour and service disruption.

This is what creates the ideological conditions in which we see a statement like:


"We need a more flexible model," Canada Post spokesperson Jon Hamilton told CTV News.

"We need a model that allows us to deliver on evenings and weekends and peak times without having to pay double time, which is pricing us out of the market."

Of course, it is only pricing Canada Post "out of the market" if Canada Post and its operations are driven by market forces.

And they are only driven by market forces due to the actions of Canada Post itself and successive governments that have sought to turn a critical public service into a for-profit enterprise driven entirely by neoliberal and private sector notions to transition it from acting in the public good towards preparation for privatization.

As part of the critical struggle to reverse the assault on the very idea of government and a civil society beyond the market that has been intrinsic to the neoliberal ideological austerity era, we need to fight to reconstruct the idea of the state and its enterprises and services as existing to benefit the people who own them -- the public -- as opposed to operating on business lines and models that are inimical to this and for which they were never originally intended.

Canada Post's problems are driven by the neoliberal assault on public services | rabble.ca
 
taxslave
+2
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

Michael Laxer highlight how the manufactured problems at Canada Post - with consistent profits deemed insufficient without explanation in order to attack working conditions, and plans for a postal bank which would both raise profits and provide an important public service given short shrift - are only part of the wider hostility against the public sector.



The "problems" facing Canada Post are entirely ideological

Canada's politicians and media have bought into a long-term project driven by right-wing notions of society and the economy that seeks to re-frame public services as "businesses" that should be run "efficiently" along the lines allegedly followed by the private sector.

While the mythology of the private sector's supposed efficiency is nothing more than that, mythology, that is a matter for a different article.

What is abundantly clear is that by seeking to apply fictional market ideals to government run services successive governments have sought -- intentionally or instinctively -- to change the way the public views these services by no longer treating them as services at all.

Canada Post is run not as a public service for the public interest but as a corporation that seeks to make a profit, which is not the purpose of a public service.

Last year Canada Post actually made a profit of $63 million. While this is, I suppose, a positive thing, it also means that there is at minimum $63 million that could be put back into providing a still very necessary service for the Canadian people and businesses.

Yet Canada Post on its own webpage bemoans this profit as somehow insufficient and states "The profit is modest compared to the Corporation's revenue and the significant challenges we face as a company."

What company? What Corporation? Reading this you would have no idea that this "company" was government run and was, at least once-upon-a-time, designed to serve the interests of the people of Canada. It reads as a private company's announcement to shareholders would and shows how far along the path to eventual privatization Canada Post's management has taken it

All of the "issues" facing Canada Post, from the desire of management to eliminate door-to-door delivery, to the constant increase in postal rates, to its confrontational stance taken towards its own workers that are leading to this impending lockout, are driven by this notion of the postal service as a for-profit enterprise and all of them could be dealt with by changing this fundamentally flawed and anti-public service neoliberal approach.

The irony is that this ethos is even harmful to the very private sector that encourages it. Canada Post's rates have gone up-and-up-and-up and are not at all competitive versus the United States Postal Service as anyone who depends on parcel delivery for their business is well aware. Instead of the government subsidizing the postal service sufficiently to keep rates low, Canada Post has kept increasing rates despite having turned a profit in all but two of the last 21 years. This puts Canadian retailers at a direct competitive disadvantage.

The ethos is also the very basis of Canada Post's "rush-to-the-bottom" attitudes to employees imported from the private sector that seeks to maximize profit at the expense of workers even if this leads to a socially and economically harmful labour and service disruption.

This is what creates the ideological conditions in which we see a statement like:


"We need a more flexible model," Canada Post spokesperson Jon Hamilton told CTV News.

"We need a model that allows us to deliver on evenings and weekends and peak times without having to pay double time, which is pricing us out of the market."

Of course, it is only pricing Canada Post "out of the market" if Canada Post and its operations are driven by market forces.

And they are only driven by market forces due to the actions of Canada Post itself and successive governments that have sought to turn a critical public service into a for-profit enterprise driven entirely by neoliberal and private sector notions to transition it from acting in the public good towards preparation for privatization.

As part of the critical struggle to reverse the assault on the very idea of government and a civil society beyond the market that has been intrinsic to the neoliberal ideological austerity era, we need to fight to reconstruct the idea of the state and its enterprises and services as existing to benefit the people who own them -- the public -- as opposed to operating on business lines and models that are inimical to this and for which they were never originally intended.

Canada Post's problems are driven by the neoliberal assault on public services | rabble.ca

WOW Quite the pile of garbage. Must have been written by the union boss.
Face it delivering the mail is not worth the money they get paid. At best it is a $15/hr job.
 
eh1eh
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Have you ever heard of email?? Welcome to 2016.

Their package delivery is quite convenient. They have many local postal outlets for easy pick up of signature shipments.



Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

WOW Quite the pile of garbage. Must have been written by the union boss.
Face it delivering the mail is not worth the money they get paid. At best it is a $15/hr job.


Ya, I'd like to see you do the job for that pay. Hypocrite.
 
Frankiedoodle
+2
#15
Heard on the news that the union made another offer. Someone in that Union must realize that if they strike, they are cutting of their nose to spite their face.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#16
They better not strike until I get my books in the mail.
 
JLM
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

I just picked up my gas and hydro bills and both of them had notices in them not to pay through the mails since there might be a postal strike in the offing. First I've heard of it. Are the posties hitting the bricks?


Get with the times, Walter, they have this new system now, actually had it for a few months, where if you keep some money in your bank account and send the owee a voided cheque they can actually make arrangements with the banks to have the balance transferred from your bank account to theirs on the appointed date it's due. Works slicker than snot on a rail!

Quote: Originally Posted by Frankiedoodle View Post

Heard on the news that the union made another offer. Someone in that Union must realize that if they strike, they are cutting of their nose to spite their face.


That's what Unions do!
 
Danbones
+3
#18
A major employer went on strike here for 6 months
went back to work for a nickle less an hour

now that factory is just a huge empty parking lot out on the highway just out side the edge of town
nothin but the sound of crickets and the odd tumble weed blowin through

Its ok though
not much call for buggy whips these days
 
lone wolf
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Get with the times, Walter, they have this new system now, actually had it for a few months, where if you keep some money in your bank account and send the owee a voided cheque they can actually make arrangements with the banks to have the balance transferred from your bank account to theirs on the appointed date it's due. Works slicker than snot on a rail! )

If you're silly enough to let a greedy company go on unrestricted plundering trips through your bank account, you deserve the robbery you're inviting. Case in point? Hydro One....
 
petros
#20
PAD is great if you are on equalized payments otherwise pay through a bank app.
 
JLM
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

If you're silly enough to let a greedy company go on unrestricted plundering trips through your bank account, you deserve the robbery you're inviting. Case in point? Hydro One....


To be quite frank, I'm having a hard time understanding that post. I've been doing it for years and have found it cheaper than the alternative methods. My bank doesn't charge me any transaction costs. I suppose a younger person could opt for an 83 cent stamp plus the cost of getting to the mail box or to the business issuing the bill. Any plundering the banks might do is charging you a $ when you pay the bill at the cashier's cage. However if you do happen to know of another method of paying a bill that is cheaper than mine, I'd be happy to hear it. One other advantage I find with the automatic withdrawal is you never miss a payment or make a late payment through forgetfulness.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

PAD is great if you are on equalized payments otherwise pay through a bank app.


Old codgers have a hard time contending with the technicalities of such high tech methods. PAD is a place to crash.
 
petros
#22
PAD is a pre-authorized debit.

HydroOne has zero integrity and charge whatever the f-ck they want and yank it from your Acct. using PAD
 
lone wolf
+2
#23
Once you have authorized an entity free access to your bank account, the bank will honour any amount they submit because they're a business and they're all honest and pure as the driven snow. When a crook decides it made a mistake and underbilled you, or your rate has increased (as they so often do) so they want more - backdated if they can get it - they'll take it with no notice. That can lead to some nasty surprises in the checkout line when, for no particular reason known unto you, your account is NSF.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Get with the times, Walter, they have this new system now, actually had it for a few months, where if you keep some money in your bank account and send the owee a voided cheque they can actually make arrangements with the banks to have the balance transferred from your bank account to theirs on the appointed date it's due. Works slicker than snot on a rail!

Never give anybody direct access to your bank account. They will draw out whatever they choose. If you dispute a bill, you will be without your money not them. Just doing a bill payment online is fine. Most companies will send you an e-mail telling you either what is owed or letting you know to read your statement their website.
 
Dixie Cup
+2
#25
We pay all our bills on line and have a payment schedule of what is due when. I would Never give anyone direct access to our accounts!
 
JLM
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

We pay all our bills on line and have a payment schedule of what is due when. I would Never give anyone direct access to our accounts!


I guess most of mine are a carry over from another time & in 30 years or more I've been doing it I've never once had a problem. I bank with CIBC and they've always been reputable as far as I'm concerned. There is the possibility for an unscrupulous creditor to rip you off- but that's OK, they'd only do it once. Leaving your car parked in front of their business with a big sign on it for a couple of hours can work wonders.
 
taxslave
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh View Post

Their package delivery is quite convenient. They have many local postal outlets for easy pick up of signature shipments.






Ya, I'd like to see you do the job for that pay. Hypocrite.

That is why I got an education and a real job. Fact is that is all menial labour is worth. Just like selling fries is a minimum wage job.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+2
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I guess most of mine are a carry over from another time & in 30 years or more I've been doing it I've never once had a problem. I bank with CIBC and they've always been reputable as far as I'm concerned. There is the possibility for an unscrupulous creditor to rip you off- but that's OK, they'd only do it once. Leaving your car parked in front of their business with a big sign on it for a couple of hours can work wonders.

It's not your bank. Its your utility company. Say they send you a bill for $3000 for one month (an error). They would just take your $3000 from your bank. CIBC would not be able to stop them because you have given them permission. You would fight the utility and maybe get a refund eventually. But during the dispute they would be holding on to your money. And who knows what else the money may have been designated for (food, shelter, etc.).
 
JLM
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

It's not your bank. Its your utility company. Say they send you a bill for $3000 for one month (an error). They would just take your $3000 from your bank. CIBC would not be able to stop them because you have given them permission. You would fight the utility and maybe get a refund eventually. But during the dispute they would be holding on to your money. And who knows what else the money may have been designated for (food, shelter, etc.).


Yep, there's definitely a loophole for abuse alright! So far nothing like that has happened but I likely won't make the same arrangements in future with other companies. With online banking you can make payments dated in advance, which I do a lot from my L.O.C. that way bills don't get forgotten the cash is always on hand for the payment.
 
Kreskin
+1
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

It's not your bank. Its your utility company. Say they send you a bill for $3000 for one month (an error). They would just take your $3000 from your bank. CIBC would not be able to stop them because you have given them permission. You would fight the utility and maybe get a refund eventually. But during the dispute they would be holding on to your money. And who knows what else the money may have been designated for (food, shelter, etc.).

The bank can have the client sign a declaration stating that the transaction is unauthorized. Funds would then be requested from the company. The company could deny the refund if the item/amount is legit. If it was an error they are required to return funds, as per CPA rules. That process can take a week or two to complete so the customer is still inconvenienced for a period of time.

Companies like Hydro aren't generally a problem. Worst are places like money/payday loan outfits.
 

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