'The country cannot run solely on solar panels in the future'


petros
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Saskatchewan, P.E.I. best spots for solar panels; not worth it in Manitoba, Quebec, NEB says

"The country cannot run solely on solar panels in the future," said NEB chief economist Jean-Denis Charlebois.

The NEB today is releasing a study of the costs of solar compared to current electricity prices. It has an online site where Canadians can plug in their city name and find out whether there is an economic case for solar for them now or in the future.

There are 20,000 communities across every province and territory included in the study that looked at both capacity to produce solar based on hours of sunlight, as well as the cost.

The main finding of the study is that no matter the amount of sunlight, the only places where installing and running solar panels is already cheaper than paying for power from the electricity grids are the places where power rates are already really high. That is in Saskatchewan, Prince Edward Island and most places in Ontario.

In provinces where power is still pretty cheap — mainly Manitoba and Quebec — the NEB says solar can sometimes cost more than twice as much as traditional power sources.

In Saskatchewan, for example, where electricity costs are among the highest in the country, the break-even price for solar is already 93 per cent of the current average cost of power for homeowners. But next door in Manitoba, where hydro costs are among the lowest in the country, the solar price for homeowners is 176 per cent of the current cost of electricity. In Quebec, it's 223 per cent.

Ontario's time-of-day electricity rates make the cost of solar about 95 per cent of the average cost to buy power from the grid.

Charlebois said the average cost for a five-kilowatt solar installation is about $16,000 and that price is predicted to go down as much as 30 per cent in the next five or 10 years.

The price to buy power from the grid is going up about two per cent a year. Between those increases and rebate programs for solar installations available in some provinces, over the next decade solar will start to beat the power grid price in Newfoundland and Labrador, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Alberta and British Columbia, the NEB predicts.

The price for power in Manitoba and Quebec is still so low that even once the cost of solar drops significantly, it is not expected to become competitive.


The B.C. coast and the eastern edge of Newfoundland are among the worst places to generate solar power because they don't get a lot of sunshine. The territories have higher costs to install solar because of the remoteness of most communities, but the high cost of power, often generated by diesel, makes solar significantly cheaper in Nunavut and the Northwest Territories.

Long term, even homeowners who use solar will need access to power grids for some of their power because the sun isn't always shining and batteries can only store power for between four and 10 hours.

The case for solar for businesses is slightly different because of differing power rates. Businesses in Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and Ontario may already find it cheaper to add solar panels than continue to buy power only from the grid. The NEB says rebate programs in Saskatchewan and Alberta will make solar more economical than traditional power over the next few years.
 
pgs
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You are taking it seriously .
 
Jinentonix
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One would hope the NEB has taken a good hard look and understands that there are only three areas where commercial solar power would have a shot at viability.
I've always argued that govts should have been working on making solar power more affordable for home and property owners instead of trying to generate it commercially. At least in Canada anyway. But govts aren't really interested in that because it would greatly reduce the revenue stream from taxing our hydro usage.
 
Dixie Cup
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Solar Powered panels over acres and acres of land is also pretty ugly. You would think conservationists would object to the "polluting" of the land and the waste involved because nothing could be grown on it. Unless you have solar panels on the roof of houses, I would not support humongous fields of solar panels simply because it's "green" energy. Just sayin'
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

One would hope the NEB has taken a good hard look and understands that there are only three areas where commercial solar power would have a shot at viability.
I've always argued that govts should have been working on making solar power more affordable for home and property owners instead of trying to generate it commercially. At least in Canada anyway. But govts aren't really interested in that because it would greatly reduce the revenue stream from taxing our hydro usage.

The 600% mark up over wholesale then tack on the 122% tarrifs put on by Trudeau have killed any interest I had in solar.
 
Twin_Moose
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I agree I was looking into it as well pretty good money maker for alternative energy companies in Canada
 
MHz
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That what happens when our leaders love the IMF more than the people they are supposed to represent. Canada already has enough coal fired plants and could build new ones so it is the main means for the next 100 years or so. The CO2 they emit could be utilized in greenhouses or released into the air to help warm the place up as we are entering an ice-age.


If the UN can make that big of a blunder after spending huge amounts of money to study CO2 events. WTFuk would that not start an serious investigation into anything they have promoted.
They aren't the stupid ones, the ones who believe what they say are the stupid ones as their moves only serve to keep the rest of the world as poor and undeveloped as possible as that 'eliminates any thought of having a competing method. That would be a Gentile Bank and that is all that would be needed to crash their monopoly. You know, the same ones that are broken up as they support criminals rather than eliminating them.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

The 600% mark up over wholesale then tack on the 122% tarrifs put on by Trudeau have killed any interest I had in solar.

Not my problem if Canadians are so stupid they will blindly accept stupid programs over method that are running more efficiently than they ever have.

Solar still has a place as it is the best method for remote locations and their is an unlimited area in Canada that fits that description. (if it can run for 5 years before any maintenance is needed)
 
Hoid
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Has anyone ever suggested that the country would ever run solely on solar panels?
 
petros
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Yup. Many a moonbat has made that claim.

It's probably why the NEB needed to set the record straight.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Has anyone ever suggested that the country would ever run solely on solar panels?

How about we start with 'village in the Amazon' and the panels are on top of the canopy as are all the dishes needed for 'contact', slope it right and the daily rain keeps it clean and the water is in a steam when it hits the local well. Works in Africa as people follow the migrating butcher shop that feeds all of Europe with meat. Grass roof, adobe walls, hard packed dirt floor with geo-thermal heating/cooling and, wait for it, . . . . broadband.


Canada and the US have major ocean currents on both shores, underwater wind farm, nuff said
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Yup. Many a moonbat has made that claim.

It's probably why the NEB needed to set the record straight.

There are no bad ideas, why is that a new saying in your world??