Yep, Cuba is just awesome!


CDNBear
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The Cuban authorities have refused an exit visa for a leading Cuban dissident to travel to France to receive the EU's Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought.

Guillermo Farinas launched a prolonged hunger strike earlier this year, protesting against the plight of Cuba's political prisoners.
He called the Cuban authorities arrogant for not granting him permission to travel.

He said it revealed their disregard for individual liberty.

Mr Farinas was near to death earlier this year, on a drip feed in hospital, when President Raul Castro authorised the release of 52 of the island's most prominent prisoners of conscience.

It was an unprecedented breakthrough brokered by the Roman Catholic Church.

The 48-year-old political activist had hoped to attend Wednesday's award ceremony at the European Parliament in Strasbourg.

The Sakharov prize for Freedom of Thought is the EU's top annual human rights award and the winner receives about $70,000 (£44,400).

Earlier this week the president of the European Parliament made a last-minute plea to the Cuban authorities on Guillermo Farinas' behalf but to no avail.

BBC News - Cuban dissident Guillermo Farinas refused exit visa


Yep, all is well and good in Cuba the Great and Free!!!
 
YukonJack
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And of course the cheap-skates who spend vacation time and money there, to save a few lousy bucks, think that Cuba is just fine and dandy.

Maybe they should some of those bucks to buy a conscience.
 
wulfie68
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But its all the fault of the Americans!!! If they had just treated Castro with respect after he seized power or ceased their embargoes then Cuba wouldn't have had to regress into a totalitarian dictatorship fighting to maintain and spread the inevitable world wide communist revolution...or something like that...
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68 View Post

But its all the fault of the Americans!!! If they had just treated Castro with respect after he seized power or ceased their embargoes then Cuba wouldn't have had to regress into a totalitarian dictatorship fighting to maintain and spread the inevitable world wide communist revolution...or something like that...



I LOVE sarcasm!!!
 
Chiliagon
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whatever. talk about lack of respect for other people's wishes.

if I wanna go to Cuba Yukon, then Screw you!
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Chiliagon View Post

whatever. talk about lack of respect for other people's wishes.

You mean like denying an exit visa to someone?

I'm not sure about your moral codes, but I sure am glad I live in a country where someone like YJ can disagree with giving money to the economy of a totalitarian state like Cuba, without fear of being imprisoned, denied the freedom of movement and so on. Or take yourself for instance. You freely contribute to the economy of a totalitarian state, which deprives its citizens of freedom of movement, freedom of political dissidence and so on. And you are not imprisoned, or otherwise molested, other then the sharp words of freedom from fellow Canadians.

I love freedom.

Weren't you heralding the virtues and freedoms of Cuba a few short months ago?

Seems Cuba isn't the shining state of freedom you wanted us all to believe it was.
 
Chiliagon
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Cuba may not be a totally free State. but they don't have Soviet Military assigned to everyone and give you no freedom whatsoever.

I was able to go wherever I wanted (within limits, but that's just like here)
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Chiliagon View Post

Cuba may not be a totally free State. but they don't have Soviet Military assigned to everyone and give you no freedom whatsoever.

Only because the Soviets couldn't afford to keep the garrison open.

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I was able to go wherever I wanted (within limits, but that's just like here)

uh huh...

Feel free to keep making all the excuses you want. But you still fund state sponsored totalitarianism.

I hope the tan was worth it.
 
Chiliagon
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I don't care. really, I don't. because the Americans aren't innocent either here.

if there Americans were completely out of this and never created any of their problems, then I'd be upset.

And yes it was.. I'd go back again, just to spite you.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Chiliagon View Post

I don't care. really...

That's apparent. I'm sure buddy in the OP appreciates your kind support of the powers that are keeping him in bondage. Your pleasure and convenience is so much more important then peoples personal freedoms.

Please be prepared to be fed this thread, the next time I see you bitching about the infringements of rights upon anyone, by the US.

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I don't. because the Americans aren't innocent either here.

Oh yes, the old reliable fall back, blame the yanks. That BS was satisfactorily dispatched in your last diatribe about the great free state of Cuba v. the great satan America.

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if there Americans were completely out of this and never created any of their problems, then I'd be upset.

What does America have to do with it? Cuba is free to trade with any nation other then the US. Are you saying that the US is so great, no nation can be truly awesome, unless they can freely trade with the US?

Stop sucking up the propaganda. It makes the opinions in your posts look silly.

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And yes it was.. I'd go back again, just to spite you.

How mature of you.
 
Chiliagon
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eh. maturity went out the window on this, a long time ago.

remember. America took advantage of Cuba before the revolution. when Castro came in he booted the USA's puppet out..
 
CUBert
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OH wow, such a dictatorship Cuba is!!!! Not letting criminals travel abroad, OMG terrorists!! The U.S.A would never be that cruel!..........
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Chiliagon View Post

eh. maturity went out the window on this, a long time ago.

remember. America took advantage of Cuba before the revolution. when Castro came in he booted the USA's puppet out..

Can you try and stay in the 21 century for a while?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Nor is the US responsible for Castro's actions.

Quote: Originally Posted by CUBert View Post

OH wow, such a dictatorship Cuba is!!!! Not letting criminals travel abroad, OMG terrorists!! The U.S.A would never be that cruel!..........

Only a moron would equate a political dissident to terrorist.

Last time I checked, political dissidence, was enshrined in the Constitution.

I can see how that would be lost on you.
 
CUBert
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Aha, I was being blatantly sarcastic. I figure insane people like you and Yukon would consider Cuba a terrorist country. Before you cry about Cuba not letting a criminal travel abroad maybe you should look at your own country and her allies misdeeds.
 
Chiliagon
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I'm not saying the US is responsible for Castro's Actions.

Castro did this on his own.. because at the time back in 1959, he decided that Cuba needed to be given back to Cubans..

I don't exactly know every single detail on Cuba before 1959 but I do know that the guy who was in charge was pals with the Americans and he allowed American businesses and mobsters to have Cuba. taking away all the land from the Cubans.

Sure, Castro could have not been a communist or Socialist country.. but I think it was to prevent people from retaliating and wanting to take it back.

kinda like the Russian Revolution back in 1917 (or was it 18?) or Germany's little stunt in 1933 where they declared themselves as a dictatorship and Hitler had all his opponents executed.

i'm not saying it is right at all, not even close. but he protected himself.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by Chiliagon View Post

whatever. talk about lack of respect for other people's wishes.

if I wanna go to Cuba Yukon, then Screw you!

You can say that because you're not an American. Just make sure you have a Canadian credit card with you (ie, nothing issued by Citibank or MBNA, even their Canadian operations, and no American Express card).
 
petros
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The guy has a criminal record. How easy is it for a Canadian with a criminal record to travel?
 
CUBert
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Cuban government response
"Cuba will not accept pressure or blackmail, important Western media groups are again calling attention to a prefabricated lie. It is not medicine that should resolve a problem that was created intentionally to discredit our political system -- but rather the patient himself, unpatriotic people, foreign diplomats and the media that manipulates him. The consequences will be their responsibility, and theirs alone."
Granma , March 8, 2010 [6]
The Cuban state newspaper Granma stated that Fariñas's legal troubles began "because of a physical altercation with a female co-worker - not politics" and described him as "a paid agent of the United States" and employee of the U.S. Interests Section.[6]
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

The guy has a criminal record. How easy is it for a Canadian with a criminal record to travel?

I believe that as long as you aren't on parole or other similar restrictions, Canada can't prevent you from leaving the country. But other countries don't have to let you in.
 
CUBert
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I wonder what kind of medical treatment a political dissident would get in the united states, if necessary?
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by CUBert View Post

Aha, I was being blatantly sarcastic.

No you weren't. Unless all your posts are sarcasm. Which I highly doubt.

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I figure insane people like you and Yukon would consider Cuba a terrorist country.

Then you figured wrong, another thing that doesn't surprise me.

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Before you cry about Cuba not letting a criminal travel abroad maybe you should look at your own country and her allies misdeeds.

Hmmm, I find it odd that you think a person whose only crime is political dissidence is a "criminal" in the traditional sense. And then to top that off, equate him to terrorists. Simple astounding the silliness in your posts.

The man has an excellent military service record, he began his "criminal" career by going on a hunger strike because of Cuba's censorship of the net. Cuba branded him a criminal because he spoke out against the molestation of individual freedoms. The fact that you would chastise him, brand him a criminal along with Cuban authorities, so you can maintain a bastardised delusion of Cuba and the US, screams volumes about you character.

But hey, if you think freedom of speech is a crime, which I don't doubt, have at it.

I do find your level of hypocrisy, hilarious though.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

The guy has a criminal record. How easy is it for a Canadian with a criminal record to travel?

Easy, I have a passport, and I travel still, with two criminal convictions still on my record.

Quote: Originally Posted by CUBert View Post

Cuban government response

"Cuba will not accept pressure or blackmail, important Western media groups are again calling attention to a prefabricated lie. It is not medicine that should resolve a problem that was created intentionally to discredit our political system -- but rather the patient himself, unpatriotic people, foreign diplomats and the media that manipulates him. The consequences will be their responsibility, and theirs alone."
Granma , March 8, 2010 [6]
The Cuban state newspaper Granma stated that Fariñas's legal troubles began "because of a physical altercation with a female co-worker - not politics" and described him as "a paid agent of the United States" and employee of the U.S. Interests Section.[6]

You really should stop using Wikiality to get your info. He was never convicted of anything, other then being jailed as an American agent and political dissident.

Keep feeding your delusions though. It just keeps reinforcing the image you've created.

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

I believe that as long as you aren't on parole or other similar restrictions, Canada can't prevent you from leaving the country. But other countries don't have to let you in.

Yep.

Quote: Originally Posted by CUBert View Post

I wonder what kind of medical treatment a political dissident would get in the united states, if necessary?

Life saving medical care can not denied, all inmates have access to free medical care, and he is capable of purchasing a health care package like the rest of the populace. Besides that childish obfuscation, there's no law against political dissidence in the US.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

I believe that as long as you aren't on parole or other similar restrictions, Canada can't prevent you from leaving the country. But other countries don't have to let you in.

The Canadian Passport Order , the instrument that governs the issuance of Canadian passports, outlines a number of situations where Passport Canada may refuse to issue a passport to an applicant, or to revoke a passport that has been issued. These provisions are one of the main tools available to Passport Canada to preserve the integrity of the Canadian passport program.
Canadian passports remain at all times the property of the Government of Canada and are issued on condition that the bearer will return it to Passport Canada without delay upon request.

Passport Canada may refuse to issue a passport to, and may revoke the passport of a person who:
  • provides false information in the passport application process;
  • is charged in Canada with the commission of a serious offence, or a similar offence abroad;
  • is imprisoned or otherwise forbidden to leave Canada, or being abroad, is imprisoned or otherwise forbidden to leave that country;
  • is subject to conditions imposed by a court that have the effect of preventing possession of a passport; or
  • has been convicted of a passport offence under the Criminal Code or the equivalent abroad.
In addition, Passport Canada may revoke the passport of a person who:
  • uses the passport to assist in committing a serious offence in Canada, or a similar offence abroad;
  • permits another person to use the passport; or
  • has obtained the passport by means of false or misleading information.
Passport Canada recognizes that the denial of passport services is a significant sanction and therefore exercises its authority to refuse issuance of a passport only where there is sufficient reliable information available to justify the action.
 
DaSleeper
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If the USA is sooo bad and Cuba is so nice why do they keep trying to come to the US
Same with Mexico.....used to be a nice place to visit.....but I wouldn't wan to live there...........
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

The Canadian Passport Order , the instrument that governs the issuance of Canadian passports, outlines a number of situations where Passport Canada may refuse to issue a passport to an applicant, or to revoke a passport that has been issued. These provisions are one of the main tools available to Passport Canada to preserve the integrity of the Canadian passport program.

Key word.

But then again, political dissidence isn't a crime in Canada either.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

The Canadian Passport Order , the instrument that governs the issuance of Canadian passports, outlines a number of situations where Passport Canada may refuse to issue a passport to an applicant, or to revoke a passport that has been issued. These provisions are one of the main tools available to Passport Canada to preserve the integrity of the Canadian passport program.
Canadian passports remain at all times the property of the Government of Canada and are issued on condition that the bearer will return it to Passport Canada without delay upon request.

Passport Canada may refuse to issue a passport to, and may revoke the passport of a person who:

  • provides false information in the passport application process;
  • is charged in Canada with the commission of a serious offence, or a similar offence abroad;
  • is imprisoned or otherwise forbidden to leave Canada, or being abroad, is imprisoned or otherwise forbidden to leave that country;
  • is subject to conditions imposed by a court that have the effect of preventing possession of a passport; or
  • has been convicted of a passport offence under the Criminal Code or the equivalent abroad.
In addition, Passport Canada may revoke the passport of a person who:
  • uses the passport to assist in committing a serious offence in Canada, or a similar offence abroad;
  • permits another person to use the passport; or
  • has obtained the passport by means of false or misleading information.
Passport Canada recognizes that the denial of passport services is a significant sanction and therefore exercises its authority to refuse issuance of a passport only where there is sufficient reliable information available to justify the action.


|That's nice.

Has nothing to do with what I said, about being allowed to leave the country, but still, it's nice.
 
petros
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And Cuba used the MAY option on this guy.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

If the USA is sooo bad and Cuba is so nice why do they keep trying to come to the US

Because the great satan bakes good cookies.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

|That's nice.

Has nothing to do with what I said, about being allowed to leave the country, but still, it's nice.

Where can you go without one?
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

And Cuba used the MAY option on this guy.

Ya, for something that's only a crime in paradise.

 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Where can you go without one?

The last time I checked, the Canadian Government does not require a passport to leave the country. We also do not require exit Visas.
 

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