LGBTQ activist set house ablaze killing pets in fake hate crime


spaminator
#1
LGBTQ activist set house ablaze killing pets in fake hate crime
Brad Hunter
Published:
February 26, 2019
Updated:
February 26, 2019 4:36 PM EST
Cops say trans and gay Nikki Joly burned down his own house to draw attention to his cause. Inside were five pets who all died. JACKSON POLICE DEPT.
An LGBTQ activist allegedly torched his own house in a desperate attempt to make the blaze look like a hate crime ala Jussie Smollett.
Five pets died in the inferno.
Cops say Nikki Joly — who lives in Jackson, Mich. — had organized a number of pro-LGBTQ events.
But when the 2017 Jackson Pride Parade and Festival failed to generate the amount of publicity Joly wanted — good or bad — he became angry.
Two days before the fire he posted on Facebook: “Yes, be angry, be very angry. Use that anger to force good! Use that anger to make change.”
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Cops say trans and gay Nikki Joly burned down his own house to draw attention to his cause. Inside were five pets who all died, including the German Shepherd. FACEBOOK
The fire at his home was initially investigated as a hate crime by the FBI and residents of the city opened their hearts and wallets to help.
Now, a new police report said the fire and its aftermath were a hoax to generate publicity for gay and trans causes.
“It’s embarrassing. How do you do it to the community you have put so much effort into helping?” Travis Trombley, who is gay, told The Detroit News.
Joly was at the forefront of a wide array of anti-discrimination legislation and was once named Citizen of the Year, the media outlet reports.
But investigators are painting a different picture.
Det. Aaron Grove told Metro News that Joly was “very deceptive” and possessed “layers of manipulation.”
Joly was called a master manipulator. CLICKON DETROIT
Even in the investigation’s embryonic stage, cops were suspicious of Joly. His clothes smelled of gas and he admitted to buying $10 of fuel at a local service station.
He claimed it was so he could cut his grass. But his timeline of the day of the fire would have left a would-be arsonist just five minutes to set the house aflame.
Joly married his girlfriend Chris Moore shortly before the fire destroyed his home
Two German Shepherds and three cats perished in the fire.
Nikki Joly, right, and his wife Chris. FACEBOOK
The activist has denied setting the fire. He’s charged with one count of first-degree arson and two counts of animal cruelty.
Joly’s woes come on the heels of Empire star Jussie Smollett’s trials and tribulations.
Smollett has been charged with filing a false police report for allegedly staging a bogus racist, homophobic beatdown in Chicago.
http://torontosun.com/news/world/lgb...ake-hate-crime
 
taxslave
#2
Just wondering how one can be both gay and trans? Or maybe I don't want to know.
 
Serryah
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Just wondering how one can be both gay and trans? Or maybe I don't want to know.


Because... they can be?

To the point of the story... FFS. Morons like this just love to f things up for everyone else in their "Case" cause they don't get enough attention.

If he did do this I hope he gets what he deserves. This kind'a crap is just... well it's more than disgusting. That said, if he didn't do it, I hope they find who did.
 
spilledthebeer
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by SerryahView Post

Because... they can be?

To the point of the story... FFS. Morons like this just love to f things up for everyone else in their "Case" cause they don't get enough attention.

If he did do this I hope he gets what he deserves. This kind'a crap is just... well it's more than disgusting. That said, if he didn't do it, I hope they find who did.




What the fire proves is that snowflakes ARE SORE LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider Jussie Smollet- the black guy who staged his own attack by alleged racists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or consider the fire that killed those pets to make a LIE-beral point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or consider the former Toronto school board "advisor" and activist who staged her own bullying events!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A recently graduated student and aspiring lobbyist trying to influence school board policy on bullying generally and gender issues specifically ...................took it upon herself to MAIL HERSELF nasty bullying letters and to also leave a few poison pen letters around her work station..............





AND then complained to cops about harassment and threats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!



Cops took her seriously at first and investigated and her story then UNRAVELED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Just another in a distressingly long line of LIE-beral snowflakes who think they are TRULY ENTITLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
coldstream
#5
I hope they throw the book at the little creep. Arson, animal cruelty, fraud, filing a false police report. Once your God given identity dissolves into some willful artifice.. like 'gay, lesbian, transgender etc'... all sense of a rational, absolute, moral universe disappears. There are no rules and no boundaries in the homosexual character, there is only license, indulgence, satiation, predation which devolves into cruelty and self destruction.
 
Serryah
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

I hope they throw the book at the little creep. Arson, animal cruelty, fraud, filing a false police report. Once your God given identity dissolves into some willful artifice.. like 'gay, lesbian, transgender etc'... all sense of a rational, absolute, moral universe disappears. There are no rules and no boundaries in the homosexual character, there is only license, indulgence, satiation, predation which devolves into cruelty and self destruction.


Well considering you're the local azzhole homophobe/Transphobe, etc... I expect nothing less.

That said yes, if it is proven he did this, then he deserves the book thrown at him.

BTW, there's no rules in the heterosexual boundary either but seems not all hets are azzholes like you. Good thing, eh?
 
taxslave
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

I hope they throw the book at the little creep. Arson, animal cruelty, fraud, filing a false police report. Once your God given identity dissolves into some willful artifice.. like 'gay, lesbian, transgender etc'... all sense of a rational, absolute, moral universe disappears. There are no rules and no boundaries in the homosexual character, there is only license, indulgence, satiation, predation which devolves into cruelty and self destruction.

Like your pedophiles preachers?
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
#8
You see, whether you like wieners or cookies, whether you have breasts and a vagina or even breasts and a penis, you can still be a piece of shit.
 
Danbones
#9
With modern surgery they can do anything.




Just don't hit the button while the wires are dragging near the drapes is all.
 
coldstream
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Like your pedophiles preachers?



Them too. Homosexuality is the scourge of the Roman Catholic Church. As a practice it represents a small number of clerics, those who predate on children (almost always teenage boys) still smaller (perhaps 5%). But don't assume they are priests. They are imposters and Satan's disciples.
Last edited by coldstream; Mar 1st, 2019 at 02:05 PM..
 
spilledthebeer
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

Them too. Homosexuality is the scourge of the Roman Catholic Church. As a practice it represents a small number of clerics, those who predate on children (almost always teenage boys) still smaller (perhaps 5%). But don't assume they are priests. They are imposters and Satan's disciples.


Oh lets get it STRAIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The man or woman that can honestly swear off sex for a lifetime is a little weird to begin with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the Priest that chases little kids is working with a mental illness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Only a FEW damaged human beings regard a child as a sexual object!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


Where the Church went wrong is in its BASIC THEOLOGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


The priest that has SINNED and is truly repentant and regretful MUST be forgiven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


However- FORGIVENESS is one thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ongoing blind TRUST is quite another matter entirely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is in the offering of blind trust to repentant sinners that the Church went BADLY WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You would not hire a reformed alcoholic to manage a liquor store!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So why trust the pedophile priest to resist sin in future???????????????????????
 
Serryah
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

Them too. Homosexuality is the scourge of the Roman Catholic Church. As a practice it represents a small number of clerics, those who predate on children (almost always teenage boys) still smaller (perhaps 5%). But don't assume they are priests. They are imposters and Satan's disciples.


Homosexuality and pedophilia do NOT equate one another. Really, you need to stop with that BS.
 
MHz
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Like your pedophiles preachers?

He is the only one that mentioned the pets, that makes them more sensitive to abuse than you are. If anyone is overly sensitive to the gay issue it is you which means you would be the pedo now you are the 'adult in the room'.
 
spilledthebeer
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

He is the only one that mentioned the pets, that makes them more sensitive to abuse than you are. If anyone is overly sensitive to the gay issue it is you which means you would be the pedo now you are the 'adult in the room'.


OH THAT IS RICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LUNATIC Muslim is going to lecture Cdns on homosexuality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


ALLAH FAVOURS THE COMPASSIONATE MERCIFUL!!!!!!!!


UNLESS A bored and restless MUslim mob wants blood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals TALK BIG about tolerance and inclusion and then blow up their own values with racist and bigot actions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A couple of years back a popular Muslim speaker stood up in Calgary and explained to the cheering crowd that it was PERMITTED BY ALLAH to KILL homosexuals so they would not SIN AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


We know also that Muslims consider it THEIR RIGHT AND OBLIGATION to lie to infidels in order to defend Islam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which is why Catholics WOULD NOT SIGN the LIE-beral list of values - supporting homosexuality and abortion rights that Our idiot Boy demanded of all govt grant recipients!!!!!!!!!!!!


Catholics would NOT LIE FOR MONEY so they were CUT OFF from govt grants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Muslims HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME VALUES AS CATHOLICS -related to abortion and gay rights- and yet Muslims HAD NO PROBLEM signing the LIE-beral statement of values!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



MUSLIMS ARE ALLOWED TO LIE to infidels - and they DID LIE when they signed in support of the LIE-beral list of values!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh well........its only Cdn tax money being WASTED ON LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And if a LIAR LIES TO A LIE-BERAL LIAR .......................does it count for ANYTHING???????????????????????????


As for comparing pedophiles to gays.............................ONLY A Muslim LOON would compare a willing adult sex partner to the use and ABUSE of a child who is not capable of CONSENTING because they do not understand what is happening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But that is a Muslim for you.....................................their twisted values and violence prone theology has NO PLACE in any western democratic nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
 
MHz
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeerView Post

OH THAT IS RICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The LUNATIC Muslim is going to lecture Cdns on homosexuality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many faggots you hugged/blown today so far??
 
coldstream
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by SerryahView Post

Homosexuality and pedophilia do NOT equate one another. Really, you need to stop with that BS.


You are correct in stating the Church has a homosexual problem, not a pedophilia problem.

The Church problem is that it has lost its rigour in allowing access to the Priesthood of ONLY those deemed to have a true vocation and calling. It is obliged to reject all candidates with deep seated homosexual inclinations. This is rightly seen as sign of unmitigated sexual immaturity and a capitulation to a psychology of dominance and subjugation that defines the homosexual character and is completely irreconcilable with a clerical vocation.

In recent years homosexuals clerics have openly recruited in homosexual subcultures and formed self protecting cliques in the highest echelons of the Vatican. The result has been catastrophic to the Church's mission and its identity. The RCC needs a thorough purge of unrepentant homosexual clerics in its midst.
Last edited by coldstream; Mar 2nd, 2019 at 02:08 PM..
 
coldstream
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeerView Post

Oh lets get it STRAIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The man or woman that can honestly swear off sex for a lifetime is a little weird to begin with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the Priest that chases little kids is working with a mental illness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Only a FEW damaged human beings regard a child as a sexual object!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


Where the Church went wrong is in its BASIC THEOLOGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


The priest that has SINNED and is truly repentant and regretful MUST be forgiven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


However- FORGIVENESS is one thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ongoing blind TRUST is quite another matter entirely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is in the offering of blind trust to repentant sinners that the Church went BADLY WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You would not hire a reformed alcoholic to manage a liquor store!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So why trust the pedophile priest to resist sin in future???????????????????????


The Latin Church allowed a married priesthood up until the 10th Century. The Eastern Rites of the Church, and now the Anglican Rite, still allow married priests but under strict conditions. No marriage is allowed after ordination, no divorce is allowed, the priest is sometimes restricted from administering the sacrament of confession, and they are limited to roles as pastors of local parishes. They are not allowed to become bishops of prelates of the Church.

Some of your points I agree with. Although the Church is obliged to be forgiving it is not obliged to be irresponsible. Current rules in Bishop Conferences of the Western Church now stipulate that Every accusation of sexual abuse be reported to police. One confirmed incident must result in the laicization (defrocking) of the abuser. Children are now given instructions as to the responsibilities and conduct expected of priests and given contact information to report abuse as part of their Catechism.

Intense psychological tests are now given to candidates to weed out immature, predatory, homoerotic sexual orientations. Any bishop who is found to have protected abusive priests is to be removed from his episcopate and reported to police as an accessory. Many diocese's now no longer allow a cleric to be alone with a child without an independent adult present.

As far as your comments on celibacy. There are perhaps 1 in a 1000 devout Catholic men who have a true calling to the priesthood. If you read some the treatises by priests or monks or other consecrated vocations many view their vows as a gift. And, although difficult, as being a measure of profound deepening of their faith. For them it is a completely natural state of the religious life. It can also be stated that a True religious vocation would be in complete conflict with a vocation to married life with respect to primary mission. That was the reason for the institution of a celibate priesthood in the first place.
Last edited by coldstream; Mar 2nd, 2019 at 02:22 PM..
 
Serryah
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

You are correct in stating the Church has a homosexual problem, not a pedophilia problem.

The Church problem is that it has lost its rigour in allowing access to the Priesthood of ONLY those deemed to have a true vocation and calling. It is obliged to reject all candidates with deep seated homosexual inclinations. This is rightly seen as sign of unmitigated sexual immaturity and a capitulation to a psychology of dominance and subjugation that defines the homosexual character and is completely irreconcilable with a clerical vocation.

In recent years homosexuals clerics have openly recruited in homosexual subcultures and formed self protecting cliques in the highest echelons of the Vatican. The result has been catastrophic to the Church's mission and its identity. The RCC needs a thorough purge of unrepentant homosexual clerics in its midst.


As usual, you're obsession over homosexuality brings to question just what your problem is with it and makes me wonder if you just hate that you are possibly either gay or bi yourself but have been guilt-beaten into believing you're evil.

Homosexuality is NOT a problem.

Pedophilia IS a problem.

It's not homosexual priests, but pedophile priests AND the insistence of celibacy that makes things problematic for the church. Though now a days it should be easier for people who are priests to hold off of sex as it's more of a knowing choice than it's ever been, still it's a problem.

BTW, what's your thoughts about heterosexual priests who abuse nuns? Or are they gay too?
 
spilledthebeer
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

The Latin Church allowed a married priesthood up until the 10th Century. The Eastern Rites of the Church, and now the Anglican Rite, still allow married priests but under strict conditions. No marriage is allowed after ordination, no divorce is allowed, the priest is sometimes restricted from administering the sacrament of confession, and they are limited to roles as pastors of local parishes. They are not allowed to become bishops of prelates of the Church.

Some of your points I agree with. Although the Church is obliged to be forgiving it is not obliged to be irresponsible. Current rules in Bishop Conferences of the Western Church now stipulate that Every accusation of sexual abuse be reported to police. One confirmed incident must result in the laicization (defrocking) of the abuser. Children are now given instructions as to the responsibilities and conduct expected of priests and given contact information to report abuse as part of their Catechism.

Intense psychological tests are now given to candidates to weed out immature, predatory, homoerotic sexual orientations. Any bishop who is found to have protected abusive priests is to be removed from his episcopate and reported to police as an accessory. Many diocese's now no longer allow a cleric to be alone with a child without an independent adult present.

As far as your comments on celibacy. There are perhaps 1 in a 1000 devout Catholic men who have a true calling to the priesthood. If you read some the treatises by priests or monks or other consecrated vocations many view their vows as a gift. And, although difficult, as being a measure of profound deepening of their faith. For them it is a completely natural state of the religious life. It can also be stated that a True religious vocation would be in complete conflict with a vocation to married life with respect to primary mission. That was the reason for the institution of a celibate priesthood in the first place.




Stuff that happened 1000 years ago really has NO BEARING on the modern priests who derive pleasure from molesting children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


While I would agree that the number of pedophile priests is relatively small- the ugly fact remains that the minority has brought HUGE SHAME and much damage on the Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that the authorities have been so rigid in their thinking that they have completely FAILED to deal with a world wide epidemic!!!!!!!



FORGIVENESS INS ONE THING................FURTHER TRUST TO THOSE WHO DO NOT DESERVE IT IS QUITE ANOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Moving a disgraced priest from one parish - over to another where his sins are unknown and he can therefore find new victims is NOT REALLY A SOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
 
taxslave
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

You are correct in stating the Church has a homosexual problem, not a pedophilia problem.
The Church problem is that it has lost its rigour in allowing access to the Priesthood of ONLY those deemed to have a true vocation and calling. It is obliged to reject all candidates with deep seated homosexual inclinations. This is rightly seen as sign of unmitigated sexual immaturity and a capitulation to a psychology of dominance and subjugation that defines the homosexual character and is completely irreconcilable with a clerical vocation.
In recent years homosexuals clerics have openly recruited in homosexual subcultures and formed self protecting cliques in the highest echelons of the Vatican. The result has been catastrophic to the Church's mission and its identity. The RCC needs a thorough purge of unrepentant homosexual clerics in its midst.

UMm no, the Catholic church has a pedophiles problem. Pedophiles are not necessarily homosexual.
 
Jinentonix
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

The Latin Church allowed a married priesthood up until the 10th Century.

And the ONLY reason they stopped allowing it was because of greed for power. The problem was the manses. For many years churches would have a property attached or very nearby with a house for the clergy and his family. However, some European countries had muddy rules when it came to property ownership. In some places, the priests would bequeath the manse to their sons upon their death and there was little the Vatican could do about it. That loss of land meant a loss of wealth and power for the Vatican. So, they banned priests from marrying.

The priesthood has f*ck all to do with purity and all that silly bullshit.
 
coldstream
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by SerryahView Post

As usual, you're obsession over homosexuality brings to question just what your problem is with it and makes me wonder if you just hate that you are possibly either gay or bi yourself but have been guilt-beaten into believing you're evil.



BTW, what's your thoughts about heterosexual priests who abuse nuns? Or are they gay too?


This is not my first rodeo on this issue. I'm quite used to being accused of being a homosexual as an insult by supposed defendants of homosexual rights. My stock answer is that if I was homosexual, I would be thinking that with 'friends' like these who needs enemies. The homosexual lobby is racked with deceit and hypocristy.

The fact is homosexuality is a willful artifice. There are no natural, genetically defined homosexuals. There are only those who commit sodomy as acts of gratification or rebellion. The origin of the phenomenon is obscure although certain environmental circumstances and a weak character could contribute.

I've have stated several times here that I would not support recriminalizing homosexuality. But I would not criminalize adultery, fornication, masturbation or any private acts between consenting adults. Even though all of these will have profoundly adverse and potentially tragic effects on individuals, families and society.
Last edited by coldstream; Mar 4th, 2019 at 02:24 PM..
 
spilledthebeer
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

UMm no, the Catholic church has a pedophiles problem. Pedophiles are not necessarily homosexual.


How sad that some LIE-berals and religious zealots have a hard time distinguishing between sexual acts between consenting adults -



and the forced relations between perverted adults and frightened children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!



And how doubly SAD that the church theology of "FORGIVENESS" to the repentant is being confused with being worthy of more trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
coldstream
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

UMm no, the Catholic church has a pedophiles problem. Pedophiles are not necessarily homosexual.



In the Catholic Church the problem is pederasty involving the abuse of juvenile boys by priests. Technically that is not pedophilia, it is a predatory aspect of homosexuality.
Last edited by coldstream; Mar 4th, 2019 at 01:41 PM..
 
Blackleaf
#25
Make sure you don't spill MY beer.
 
coldstream
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by JinentonixView Post

And the ONLY reason they stopped allowing it was because of greed for power. The problem was the manses. For many years churches would have a property attached or very nearby with a house for the clergy and his family. However, some European countries had muddy rules when it came to property ownership. In some places, the priests would bequeath the manse to their sons upon their death and there was little the Vatican could do about it. That loss of land meant a loss of wealth and power for the Vatican. So, they banned priests from marrying.

The priesthood has f*ck all to do with purity and all that silly bullshit.



Fake news and history. Celibacy has been a aspect of consecrated life from the very earliest periods of Christianity and the Church.. back to the Fathers of the Desert.
Last edited by coldstream; Mar 4th, 2019 at 02:00 PM..
 
Serryah
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

In the Catholic Church the problem is pederasty involving the abuse of juvenile boys by priests. Technically that is not pedophilia, it is a predatory aspect of homosexuality.


Which shows you have no understanding of what pedophilia is.

Pedophilia does NOT equal homosexuality and it never has, nor ever will. Pedophilia is the sexual arousal of adults by *children*, regardless of sex.

For the Catholic Church, being male focused, boys are easy access vs. girls. There's more power over boys than girls though there have been abuses of girls as well.



Seriously, read up on it and understand what you're talking about for once.

Also, you never answered - what about those priests who preyed upon nuns? That has nothing to do with homosexuality what so ever...
 
taxslave
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

This is not my first rodeo on this issue. I'm quite used to being accused of being a homosexual as an insult by supposed defendants of homosexual rights. My stock answer is that if I was homosexual, I would be thinking that with 'friends' like these who needs enemies. The homosexual lobby is racked with deceit and hypocristy.
The fact is homosexuality is a willful artifice. There are no natural, genetically defined homosexuals. There are only those who commit sodomy as acts of gratification or rebellion. The origin of the phenomenon is obscure although certain environmental circumstances and a weak character could contribute.
I've have stated several times here that I would not support recriminalizing homosexuality. But I would not criminalize adultery, fornication, masturbation or any private acts between consenting adults. Even though all of these will have profoundly adverse and potentially tragic effects on individuals, families and society.

You really gotta do some reading besides religious tracts.
 
taxslave
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

In the Catholic Church the problem is pederasty involving the abuse of juvenile boys by priests. Technically that is not pedophilia, it is a predatory aspect of homosexuality.

So preachers fukking little girls is OK by your church?
 
spilledthebeer
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

Fake news and history. Celibacy has been a aspect of consecrated life from the very earliest periods of Christianity and the Church.. back to the Fathers of the Desert.




NAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Get a look at any honest history book and you will know that Celibacy was IMPOSED on the Priesthood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Certainly SOME PRIESTS have always practiced celibacy as a way to defy the temptations of the flesh- which is why CATHOLICS and Jews and Muslims fast at certain times- to achieve a more pure state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The Roman Catholic Church with headquarters in Vatican did not follow the same rules as- for instance the - Church in Persia apparently moved to celibacy after the 6th century..........................



Different church groups -Eastern Orthodox and western groups moved towards requiring celibacy of Priests at wildly spaced out times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And apparently any such orders issued from headquarters would often take A LONG TIME TO BE FULLY ACCEPTED AND IMPLEMENTED - with Priests in outlying areas essentialy ignoring bans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



In western Europe it seems celibate Priesthood became common and required roughly after the year 1200...................


And that celibacy became a requirement for Priests due to the RAPIDLY MULTIPLYING COST of putting all the children of Priests to work within the Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Catholic Church is just as able to implement civil service union HOG style "featherbedding" as anybody else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This Nepotism became an embarrassment to church leaders who felt their people should be devoted to poverty and abstinence and so celibacy became a requirement for ordination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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