LGBTQ activist set house ablaze killing pets in fake hate crime


Danbones
#61
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

There you go... you just reinforced my point! thanks!

Yet you defend the slaughter of christian and muslim Palestinian children by apartheid regime snipers from behind a wall and ignore the evidence from top vaccine doctors that show vaccines do cause spectrum disorders...
Last edited by Danbones; Mar 20th, 2019 at 06:34 AM..
 
DaSleeper
#62
Posting on the wrong thread ? R U Nuts?
What has your post to do with LGBTQ
You starting to sound like MHz




 
coldstream
#63
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homose...ior_in_animals


https://listverse.com/2013/04/20/10-...homosexuality/


http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/0...homosexuality/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...exual_behavior


https://www.dw.com/en/there-is-no-ho...dom/a-39941960


https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-25-gayest-animals


Educate yourselves.


What utter nonsense. All this shows is the collapse of academic standards in the West into ideological sophistry. It shows in the massive fraud of Anthropogenic Global Warming.. and in 'Gender' sciences.. and numerous other forms of political indoctrination masquerading as 'science'. Modern academia is so corrupt and cowed now that it's a crime to send your kids to a conventional university.

When was the last time you changed an opinion Cliffy. You are locked and chained to the Catechis of Cliffyanity.. the Church of Yes.. where anything goes.

Nothing will change the true 'nature' of homosexuality. A phenomenon limited to the human species. It is an aberration, a product of rebellion, will and, defeat and one that is deeply corrosive to individuals and societies that embrace it.
Last edited by coldstream; Mar 20th, 2019 at 01:12 PM..
 
White_Unifier
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Just wondering how one can be both gay and trans? Or maybe I don't want to know.

Yeah. I came across a trans lesbian on Youtube once. Born male, transed to female, but likes women.

Confusing, I know. That's why I just don't think about it.
 
spilledthebeer
#65
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homose...ior_in_animals


https://listverse.com/2013/04/20/10-...homosexuality/


http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/0...homosexuality/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...exual_behavior


https://www.dw.com/en/there-is-no-ho...dom/a-39941960


https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-25-gayest-animals


Educate yourselves.




Poor stupid Cliffy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


His own quote from Wikipedia states "the motivations and inclinations of the animal behaviour have yet to be studied"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


Meaning nobody has put a Penguin or a Female dog onto a psychiatrists couch to find out why they are mounting other females!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And as I pointed out............................................


You dont see dogs giving each other blow jobs or engaged in anal sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What we do see is that animals mount others in a show of dominance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such dogs and other creatures GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS but DO NOT engage in actual sexual contact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


UNLIKE HUMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Are there other motivations for "gay" animals beyond that dominance issue?????????????????????


Cliffy doesnt KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And he CANNOT provide any proof of anything either............................................ ...


because our LIE-beral health care system is so starved and overloaded they dont have time or resources to treat schizophrenic HUMANS much less psychoanalyze sexually CONFUSED DUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CLIFFY IS FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And terminally CONFUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
 
coldstream
#66
This is where the persecution of religious expression with respect to homosexuality is leading us.

Israel Felau, a top Australian Rugby Union player, was banned yesterday from representing Australia in the Rugby Union World Cup this year and has had his contract terminated by his professional team in Australia for expressing the opinion that the practice of homosexuaity will lead those individuals to hell without repentance on their part.

Folau is an Evangelical Christian who was expressing the literal Biblical proscriptions of sodomy that have been in the Christian catechis.. Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant.. for 2 millennia. Homosexuality in all is defined as intrinsically disordered in orientation, gravely sinful in practice, and a manifest social evil. It is a mortal sin; that is those that put a person’s salvation in imminent jeopardy without repentance and redemption. It is also one that is within the all persons capability and responsibility to resist.

It is a complete capitulation by Rugby Australia to the pc zeitgeist that has a choke hold on the approved opinions of athletes; even those founded of devout religious belief. There is no separation here between church and sport in the Rugby Football Union. The dictate is to conform to the most transient and temporal of approved opinion; those founded on the modern idolatry of moral relativism, radical individualism, atheistic humanism. At one time there was wall between politics and sports. Religious and political opinions were held as something that could be debated in the public arena and not on the field of play.

I’m hoping for some kind of coordinated response by the players. One player has used social media to express support for Folau and has been called before the disciplinary board of the RFU and several active Rugby Union players twittered their approval. I think a mass resignation from the Australian national team would be appropriate, or, a fan or sponsor boycott. But given the tyranical use of sanctions i think the most likely outcome they will bow to intimidation and do nothing for religious persecution.

Political Correctness is a paper tiger. It panders to the most superficial of human aspirations and allies itself the culture of victimhood that divides society against itself. It relies on fear of ostracism and assumes a hegemony of ‘enlightened’ accepted thought. Indeed it relies on malleable institutional orthodoxy characterized by rigid conformity to impose a chilling unanimity. Those are found in today’s media, education, politics. It bypasses those whose whole exegis is based on moral absolutes, natural order, divine law. In essence those of faith.

There is no room for Christ in Rugby Union. That is the message this sends loud and clear. But what if Israel is right. Suppose the wafer thin amorality of political correctness are pure trickery and cowed coercion. Who really has the best interest of those lost in the dark, lonely, degenerate recesses of homosexuality at heart. Those who say ‘give up and go to hell’ or those who say ‘fight and save yourself’. Who really represents compassion and virtue.

Does anyone really believe this conceit of political correctness is going offers any kind of future. That it is not a sign of a culture careening towards a cliff edge of disorder, disaster and social disintegration..

Oz is in the Devil’s grip.
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Serryah
+1
#67
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

This is where the persecution of religious expression with respect to homosexuality is leading us.

Israel Felau, a top Australian Rugby Union player, was banned yesterday from representing Australia in the Rugby Union World Cup this year and has had his contract terminated by his professional team in Australia for expressing the opinion that the practice of homosexuaity will lead those individuals to hell without repentance on their part.

Folau is an Evangelical Christian who was expressing the literal Biblical proscriptions of sodomy that have been in the Christian catechis.. Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant.. for 2 millennia. Homosexuality in all is defined as intrinsically disordered in orientation, gravely sinful in practice, and a manifest social evil. It is a mortal sin; that is those that put a person’s salvation in imminent jeopardy without repentance and redemption. It is also one that is within the all persons capability and responsibility to resist.

It is a complete capitulation by Rugby Australia to the pc zeitgeist that has a choke hold on the approved opinions of athletes; even those founded of devout religious belief. There is no separation here between church and sport in the Rugby Football Union. The dictate is to conform to the most transient and temporal of approved opinion; those founded on the modern idolatry of moral relativism, radical individualism, atheistic humanism. At one time there was wall between politics and sports. Religious and political opinions were held as something that could be debated in the public arena and not on the field of play.

I’m hoping for some kind of coordinated response by the players. One player has used social media to express support for Folau and has been called before the disciplinary board of the RFU and several active Rugby Union players twittered their approval. I think a mass resignation from the Australian national team would be appropriate, or, a fan or sponsor boycott. But given the tyranical use of sanctions i think the most likely outcome they will bow to intimidation and do nothing for religious persecution.

Political Correctness is a paper tiger. It panders to the most superficial of human aspirations and allies itself the culture of victimhood that divides society against itself. It relies on fear of ostracism and assumes a hegemony of ‘enlightened’ accepted thought. Indeed it relies on malleable institutional orthodoxy characterized by rigid conformity to impose a chilling unanimity. Those are found in today’s media, education, politics. It bypasses those whose whole exegis is based on moral absolutes, natural order, divine law. In essence those of faith.

There is no room for Christ in Rugby Union. That is the message this sends loud and clear. But what if Israel is right. Suppose the wafer thin amorality of political correctness are pure trickery and cowed coercion. Who really has the best interest of those lost in the dark, lonely, degenerate recesses of homosexuality at heart. Those who say ‘give up and go to hell’ or those who say ‘fight and save yourself’. Who really represents compassion and virtue.

Does anyone really believe this conceit of political correctness is going offers any kind of future. That it is not a sign of a culture careening towards a cliff edge of disorder, disaster and social disintegration..

Oz is in the Devil’s grip.


If you believe in the Devil.

Look, Coldstream, you aren't gay, that's fine.

Leave gay people alone and they'll leave you alone.

Their 'sins' are not any of your damned business. It has nothing to do with you. It ONLY matters if you step in and try to push your religious beliefs on people, in which case that's when you need to step back and STFU.

Your version of religion is just one of many over thousands of years.


It might last, it might not. The thing is, your version gets more intolerant in a world that's gradually increasing it's tolerance.


You want to go down as a kind of martyr for your version of your religion, fine. But in the end, no one will care as there are thousands other versions out there.


Instead of worrying about other people, worry about yourself.
 
coldstream
#68
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

If you believe in the Devil.

Look, Coldstream, you aren't gay, that's fine.

Leave gay people alone and they'll leave you alone.

Their 'sins' are not any of your damned business. It has nothing to do with you. It ONLY matters if you step in and try to push your religious beliefs on people, in which case that's when you need to step back and STFU.

Your version of religion is just one of many over thousands of years.


It might last, it might not. The thing is, your version gets more intolerant in a world that's gradually increasing it's tolerance.


You want to go down as a kind of martyr for your version of your religion, fine. But in the end, no one will care as there are thousands other versions out there.


Instead of worrying about other people, worry about yourself.



Did you read the post. The persecution is not directed at homosexuals on the part of us 'homophobes'. It's on Christians who have expressed any sentiments in support of the natural and divine law on which Western Civilization is built. The collapse of which is leading to the dissolution of the social cohesion of the West.

I have not called for the silencing of the homosexual lobby. I've never called for the reinstitution of criminal sanctions against homosexual activity. The same for adultery, fornication, masturbation or any private sexual acts between consenting adults; even though all of these have profoundly destructive individual, familial and societal consequences. I'm quite willing to engage in an open and fair debate without prejudice or rancor.

But what the RFU has done here is dictated that any declaration of the moral laws that have informed our society for 2 millennia, are now deemed 'hate' speech for which there will be NO 'tolerance'. There is no sense of separation of church and pitch. It is really a gutless capitulation to the rampage and pillage of the forces of the New Age, post structural, post Christian society.. an emerging tyranny of thought control.
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taxslave
#69
Christianity has been a tyranny of thought control for 2000 years. time to break the shackles.
 
coldstream
#70
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Christianity has been a tyranny of thought control for 2000 years. time to break the shackles.


Wait till you see what replaces it. It's on the horizon like an oncoming typhoon.
 
Serryah
#71
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

Did you read the post. The persecution is not directed at homosexuals on the part of us 'homophobes'. It's on Christians who have expressed any sentiments in support of the natural and divine law on which Western Civilization is built. The collapse of which is leading to the dissolution of the social cohesion of the West.


Divine law which is up to YOUR interpretation. Natural law as you want to narrowly see it and not what is actually out there.

Western Civilization was built on more than just Divine and Natural law.


The 'persecution' is against those who refuse to accept that what you THINK has been the way things are, isn't how it's always been and the rest of us just effin tired of seeing your ignorance and willing blindness, and the fact you just won't live and let bloody live.


QUOTE=coldstream;2716594]I have not called for the silencing of the homosexual lobby. I've never called for the reinstitution of criminal sanctions against homosexual activity. The same for adultery, fornication, masturbation or any private sexual acts between consenting adults; even though all of these have profoundly destructive individual, familial and societal consequences. I'm quite willing to engage in an open and fair debate without prejudice or rancor. [/QUOTE]


Except that is so not true. You CONTINUALLY state homosexuality is a sin.

By saying that, you automatically show your prejudice against it. No matter how many times it's pointed out to you that you can have your opinion, but just stop trying to insist that people follow your belief, you keep saying being gay is morally evil etc, etc. That's not being open to discussion.


QUOTE=coldstream;2716594]But what the RFU has done here is dictated that any declaration of the moral laws that have informed our society for 2 millennia, are now deemed 'hate' speech for which there will be NO 'tolerance'. There is no sense of separation of church and pitch. It is really a gutless capitulation to the rampage and pillage of the forces of the New Age, post structural, post Christian society.. an emerging tyranny of thought control.[/QUOTE]

Yes, because those words incite HATRED towards a group of people for simply being who they ARE. It's against the HYPOCRISY of preaching love and tolerance one moment, then saying homosexuality is a sin and should be outlawed the other.



And what you consider moral laws, AREN'T.


Our society has also had OTHER laws - religious and otherwise - for longer than 2 millennia. Why are these past 2 more special than any other time?

A word - Jesus.

Who NEVER said a damned thing about homosexuality.
 
Cannuck
#72
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

Wait till you see what replaces it. It's on the horizon like an oncoming typhoon.

So you're saying Christianity is the lesser of two evils. Good to know
 
taxslave
#73
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

Wait till you see what replaces it. It's on the horizon like an oncoming typhoon.

Freedom. Terrible thing to subject humans to.
 
Dixie Cup
#74
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

The Latin Church allowed a married priesthood up until the 10th Century. The Eastern Rites of the Church, and now the Anglican Rite, still allow married priests but under strict conditions. No marriage is allowed after ordination, no divorce is allowed, the priest is sometimes restricted from administering the sacrament of confession, and they are limited to roles as pastors of local parishes. They are not allowed to become bishops of prelates of the Church.

Some of your points I agree with. Although the Church is obliged to be forgiving it is not obliged to be irresponsible. Current rules in Bishop Conferences of the Western Church now stipulate that Every accusation of sexual abuse be reported to police. One confirmed incident must result in the laicization (defrocking) of the abuser. Children are now given instructions as to the responsibilities and conduct expected of priests and given contact information to report abuse as part of their Catechism.

Intense psychological tests are now given to candidates to weed out immature, predatory, homoerotic sexual orientations. Any bishop who is found to have protected abusive priests is to be removed from his episcopate and reported to police as an accessory. Many diocese's now no longer allow a cleric to be alone with a child without an independent adult present.

As far as your comments on celibacy. There are perhaps 1 in a 1000 devout Catholic men who have a true calling to the priesthood. If you read some the treatises by priests or monks or other consecrated vocations many view their vows as a gift. And, although difficult, as being a measure of profound deepening of their faith. For them it is a completely natural state of the religious life. It can also be stated that a True religious vocation would be in complete conflict with a vocation to married life with respect to primary mission. That was the reason for the institution of a celibate priesthood in the first place.



There have been changes for sure. In my dad's parish, there is a priest who was divorced before he got the "calling". In the Greek Catholic Church, priests can be married; we have one in Kelowna who has a wife and kids. I personally do not know why priests can't marry in the RCC - it makes no sense to me. Maybe way back when..... Doesn't seem to be an issue with other religions.....


And finally, I do not see why a woman cannot be ordained a priest either especially since there is a shortage of priests. Married + women = more priests.


JMHO
 
spilledthebeer
#75
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

What utter nonsense. All this shows is the collapse of academic standards in the West into ideological sophistry. It shows in the massive fraud of Anthropogenic Global Warming.. and in 'Gender' sciences.. and numerous other forms of political indoctrination masquerading as 'science'. Modern academia is so corrupt and cowed now that it's a crime to send your kids to a conventional university.

When was the last time you changed an opinion Cliffy. You are locked and chained to the Catechis of Cliffyanity.. the Church of Yes.. where anything goes.

Nothing will change the true 'nature' of homosexuality. A phenomenon limited to the human species. It is an aberration, a product of rebellion, will and, defeat and one that is deeply corrosive to individuals and societies that embrace it.




Cliffy just enjoys insulting white society!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Natives are rather like radical Muslims and Black Lives Matter racists in that regard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The non white bigots blame ALL TROUBLES on white people.....................................


REGARDLESS of how much influence the BIGOTS had over creating the problems in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
 
coldstream
#76
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

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Western Civilization was
Except that is so not true. You CONTINUALLY state homosexuality is a sin.
QUOTE=coldstream;2716594]But what the RFU has done here is dictated that any declaration of the moral laws that have informed our society for 2 millennia, are now deemed 'hate' speech for which there will be NO 'tolerance'. There is no sense of separation of church and pitch. It is really a gutless capitulation to the rampage and pillage of the forces of the New Age, post structural, post Christian society.. an emerging tyranny of thought control.
Yes, because those words incite HATRED towards a group of people for simply being who they ARE. It's against the HYPOCRISY of preaching love and tolerance one moment, then saying homosexuality is a sin and should be outlawed the other.
And what you consider moral laws, AREN'T.
Our society has also had OTHER laws - religious and otherwise - for longer than 2 millennia. Why are these past 2 more special than any other time?
A word - Jesus.
Who NEVER said a damned thing about homosexuality.



The stone cold fact is that the practice of homosexuality is a mortal sin. No amount of sophistry on your part will ever change that. Before we got engulfed in the maelstrom of moral relativism of the 60s no one thought of it as anything else. It is in this historical blip of the last 50 years of a society racked with confusion, hedonism and reckless indifference that the type of meaningless nonsense you spout became predominant.

I haven't called for the ouytlawing of homosexuality, but I resent it being taught as a valid 'lifestyle' to children as if it won't lead to a life of futility and misery. This will ruin lives. I don't teach 'hate'; I profess faith. And all real faiths preach an absolute moral code.

They also preach repentence and redemption of a loving God. The notion that this has become a quaint anachronism, or worse that it means there are no rules and no consequences, is the sign of society ensnared in the Culture of Death and is careening towards a violent reckoning.. unlike anything we've seen before.
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Cannuck
#77
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

The stone cold fact is that the practice of homosexuality is a mortal sin

No it isnt. There's no such.
 
Cliffy
#78
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

The stone cold fact is that the practice of homosexuality is a mortal sin.

Just because you believe something is true does not make it true. Your own savior said, "judge not lest ye shall be judged". If you call yourself a Christian, then you are breaking the laws set forth by your church. There is nothing in the bible or in the teachings of Jesus that says anything about homosexuality. This is all your judgment. Are you claiming divine right to judge?
 
Serryah
+1
#79
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

The stone cold fact is that the practice of homosexuality is a mortal sin. No amount of sophistry on your part will ever change that. Before we got engulfed in the maelstrom of moral relativism of the 60s no one thought of it as anything else. It is in this historical blip of the last 50 years of a society racked with confusion, hedonism and reckless indifference that the type of meaningless nonsense you spout became predominant.

I haven't called for the ouytlawing of homosexuality, but I resent it being taught as a valid 'lifestyle' to children as if it won't lead to a life of futility and misery. This will ruin lives. I don't teach 'hate'; I profess faith. And all real faiths preach an absolute moral code.

They also preach repentence and redemption of a loving God. The notion that this has become a quaint anachronism, or worse that it means there are no rules and no consequences, is the sign of society ensnared in the Culture of Death and is careening towards a violent reckoning.. unlike anything we've seen before.


You can spin what you think you're doing all you want, Coldstream.

In the end, you ARE against Homosexuality, you're okay for outlawing it, you're all for nothing being mentioned of it at all, and really you just need to own up to the fact that your 'faith' is an excuse to hate.
 
VIBC
+2
#80
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

.... homosexuality is a mortal sin .... Before the 60s no one thought of it as anything else

Except perhaps homosexual people and their friends? And bisexuals, and absolutely anyone else with the ability to think for themselves.
 
Hoid
#81
Homosexuality is not mentioned in the Bible.
 
Cliffy
#82
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Homosexuality is not mentioned in the Bible.

The passage that most Christians quote to justify their prejudice is in Leviticus which is a book of rabbinical law, not the word of their god.
 
coldstream
#83
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

There have been changes for sure. In my dad's parish, there is a priest who was divorced before he got the "calling". In the Greek Catholic Church, priests can be married; we have one in Kelowna who has a wife and kids. I personally do not know why priests can't marry in the RCC - it makes no sense to me. Maybe way back when..... Doesn't seem to be an issue with other religions.....


And finally, I do not see why a woman cannot be ordained a priest either especially since there is a shortage of priests. Married + women = more priests.


JMHO


John Paul 2 made a pronouncement on the issue of woman priests 20 years ago when he stated that it was not in the Church's charter to change what God had instituted. Specifically referring the fact that Christ had not made any women His apostles. He certainly had women disciples who played an important role in His earthly ministry.

Women play important administrative roles in the Holy See in today's Church. Also in lay parish councils, in missions and, communications. Consecrated sisters have leadership roles in education, medicine, charity, contemplative and, oblate work. The Church has always acknowledged the feminine genius and virtues, and the limitations of masculine character.

It realizes, however, what the rest of the world seems to have forgotten. That men and women have unique and complementary roles in all aspect of family, institutions and society. That is much different than homosexual culture where everything of gender roles is hopelessly confused, chaotic and gratuitous.

The dearth of priests is overstated. The severe drop in vocations began after Vatican 2 when the insipid Novus Ordo Mass replaced the magnificent Tridentine Latin Mass. That Protestanized the Mass and reduced the priest's role from one of surrogate of Christ to one of congregational revivalist. At the same time the pastoral function was reduced from spiritual director to social worker.

Once the Church gets back to its roots, the (male) priests will return in adequate numbers. As will the parishioners who now appear only on Christmas, Easter, weddings and funerals.

There has never been a female Catholic priest, or Pope (despite gnostic fables) or, deacons. And its likely there never will be. A Pope who implements one would incite a massive schism in the Church. It is also very unlikely that priestly celibacy will be abandoned in the Latin Church, even though is deemed to be a mutable Church Law and not a Divine Law.
Last edited by coldstream; Apr 17th, 2019 at 01:16 PM..
 
coldstream
#84
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

The passage that most Christians quote to justify their prejudice is in Leviticus which is a book of rabbinical law, not the word of their god.

Romans I. You should read. Paul's epistles are a direct revelation of Christ. Given to him when he was thrown from his mount on the road to Damascus.

And you seem to have a double standard Cliffy. You accept the laws of Cliffyanity as paramount and incontestable. Those of moral relativism, radical individualism, atheistic humanism.. which of course means there are no rules at all. But which forms it own moral code and its own social structures and laws.
Last edited by coldstream; Apr 17th, 2019 at 01:10 PM..
 
taxslave
#85
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

John Paul 2 made a pronouncement on the issue of woman priests 20 years ago when he stated that it was not in the Church's charter to change what God had instituted. Specifically referring the fact that Christ had not made any women His apostles. He certainly had women disciples who played an important role in His earthly ministry.
Women play important administrative roles in the Holy See in today's Church. Also in lay parish councils, in missions and, communications. Consecrated sisters have leadership roles in education, medicine, charity, contemplative and, oblate work. The Church has always acknowledged the feminine genius and virtues, and the limitations of masculine character.
It realizes, however, what the rest of the world seems to have forgotten. That men and women have unique and complementary roles in all aspect of family, institutions and society. That is much different than homosexual culture where everything of gender roles is hopelessly confused, chaotic and gratuitous.
The dearth of priests is overstated. The severe drop in vocations began after Vatican 2 when the insipid Novus Ordo Mass replaced the magnificent Tridentine Latin Mass. That Protestanized the Mass and reduced the priest's role from one of surrogate of Christ to one of congregational revivalist. At the same time the pastoral function was reduced from spiritual director to social worker.
Once the Church gets back to its roots, the (male) priests will return in adequate numbers. As will the parishioners who now appear only on Christmas, Easter, weddings and funerals.
There has never been a female Catholic priest, or Pope (despite gnostic fables) or, deacons. And its likely there never will be. A Pope who implements one would incite a massive schism in the Church. It is also very unlikely that priestly celibacy will be abandoned in the Latin Church, even though is deemed to be a mutable Church Law and not a Divine Law.

Mostly it is because the preachers don't want to share choir boys with the women.
 
spilledthebeer
#86
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Homosexuality is not mentioned in the Bible.




OH STUPID HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You put your foot in it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You really should look before you leap....................................


you are wrecking your shoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The bible states "man shall not lie down with man"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


That has been taken as a prohibition against gays for 2000 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Of course Bible also states: "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Uh oh......................maybe calling homosexuality a "mortal sin" is going a bit to far?????????????????????????


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Cliffy
#87
 
spilledthebeer
#88
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

This is where the persecution of religious expression with respect to homosexuality is leading us.

Israel Felau, a top Australian Rugby Union player, was banned yesterday from representing Australia in the Rugby Union World Cup this year and has had his contract terminated by his professional team in Australia for expressing the opinion that the practice of homosexuaity will lead those individuals to hell without repentance on their part.

Folau is an Evangelical Christian who was expressing the literal Biblical proscriptions of sodomy that have been in the Christian catechis.. Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant.. for 2 millennia. Homosexuality in all is defined as intrinsically disordered in orientation, gravely sinful in practice, and a manifest social evil. It is a mortal sin; that is those that put a person’s salvation in imminent jeopardy without repentance and redemption. It is also one that is within the all persons capability and responsibility to resist.

It is a complete capitulation by Rugby Australia to the pc zeitgeist that has a choke hold on the approved opinions of athletes; even those founded of devout religious belief. There is no separation here between church and sport in the Rugby Football Union. The dictate is to conform to the most transient and temporal of approved opinion; those founded on the modern idolatry of moral relativism, radical individualism, atheistic humanism. At one time there was wall between politics and sports. Religious and political opinions were held as something that could be debated in the public arena and not on the field of play.

I’m hoping for some kind of coordinated response by the players. One player has used social media to express support for Folau and has been called before the disciplinary board of the RFU and several active Rugby Union players twittered their approval. I think a mass resignation from the Australian national team would be appropriate, or, a fan or sponsor boycott. But given the tyranical use of sanctions i think the most likely outcome they will bow to intimidation and do nothing for religious persecution.

Political Correctness is a paper tiger. It panders to the most superficial of human aspirations and allies itself the culture of victimhood that divides society against itself. It relies on fear of ostracism and assumes a hegemony of ‘enlightened’ accepted thought. Indeed it relies on malleable institutional orthodoxy characterized by rigid conformity to impose a chilling unanimity. Those are found in today’s media, education, politics. It bypasses those whose whole exegis is based on moral absolutes, natural order, divine law. In essence those of faith.

There is no room for Christ in Rugby Union. That is the message this sends loud and clear. But what if Israel is right. Suppose the wafer thin amorality of political correctness are pure trickery and cowed coercion. Who really has the best interest of those lost in the dark, lonely, degenerate recesses of homosexuality at heart. Those who say ‘give up and go to hell’ or those who say ‘fight and save yourself’. Who really represents compassion and virtue.

Does anyone really believe this conceit of political correctness is going offers any kind of future. That it is not a sign of a culture careening towards a cliff edge of disorder, disaster and social disintegration..

Oz is in the Devil’s grip.




Oz in the devils grip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


GET ON YOUR KNEES AND pray for GUIDANCE IMBECILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


JUdge not- lest you be judged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!



The majority of people agree with that RAT Pierre Trudeau.......................................


Pierre said ONE TRUE THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That the state has no BUSINESS in the bedrooms of the nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Most of us agree with Pierre in that............................................


even though we DESPISE everything else he stood for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course the latest kerfuffle over that Govt coin is nothing more than the usual LIE-beral REVISIONIST HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider the notorious "Bath House raids back in the 1970`s......................................


In which cops entered a PUBLIC Facility to arrest multiple gay men engaging in sex acts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cdns generally think that sex should be performed in PRIVATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And cops have been arresting people for performing indecent acts in PUBLIC for centuries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOTE- I said people...............................


with no reference to gender!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Public "indecency" has always been illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Take a walk through your favorite park at dusk on a warm summer evening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And look at all the lovers having fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And NOTE- I said LOVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NO GENDER SPECIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cops are simply trying to make sure you can take your kids and dog for a walk without risking offense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for the historic view that gay sex should be criminal.....................................


one has only to recognize that until the 1940`s THERE WAS NO CURE for syphilis or other sexually transmitted diseases!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Gay sex can be engaged in without fear of unwanted pregnancy................................


thus gays are often MORE PROMISCUOUS than straight people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A Toronto researcher in the 1980`s during the appearance of AIDS..............................................


made the claim that the average gay male had more than 500 sexual partners in a life time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Controlling gay sexual activity certainly HAS a moral component!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But there is also a huge public health issue as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In the 20th century Cdn cops have been focused on the PUBLIC HEALTH and PUBLIC INDECENCY ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We have only to look at various court cases in which Aids sufferers have been charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER for engaging in unprotected sex while hiding their condition from partners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Preventing horny goofs from spreading lethal sexually transmitted disease is more about common sense than instruction from GOD!!!!