Can Science Rule Out God?


socratus
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Can Science Rule Out God?
We must understand the laws of nature before we can deduce their origins
By Mark Alpert on December 23, 2019
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-rule-out-god/
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socratus
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I was quite appalled to see this new op-ed in Scientific American
in which former contributing editor Mark Alpert trots out all
the Great Unknowns of Science to answer his title question with a big “NO!”.
God is still viable!

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress...r-instruments/
 
Torch light
#3
Surely, I can rule you out: for certainly you are not Socratus.. you are a false one with pseudonym only.
 
socratus
#4
Sir Arthur Eddington had feelings that in the physical laws / formulas
of nature is hiding something mysterious . . .
/ The Universe itself is something Intellectual . . . /
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socratus
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Einstein
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socratus
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Dirac
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socratus
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SCIENCE AND RELIGION
By Werner Heisenberg [6.3.07]
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One evening during the Solvay Conference, some of the younger members
stayed behind in the lounge of the hotel.
This group included Wolfgang Pauli and myself, and was soon afterward
joined by Paul Dirac. One of us said: "Einstein keeps talking about God:
what are we to make of that? It is extremely difficult to imagine that
a scientist like Einstein should have such strong ties with a religious tradition."
"Not so much Einstein as Max Planck," someone objected.
"From some of Planck's utterances it would seem that he sees
no contradiction between religion and science, indeed that
he believes the two are perfectly compatible."
https://www.edge.org/conversation/we...e-and-religion
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Walter
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Intelligent design is a wonderful term of art.
 
Cliffy
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Cliffy
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Convincing other not so smart monkeys to kill and die for the ideas of god, country, real-estate, and [other peoples] wealth, is the greatest ongoing scam smart monkeys came up with. Believing they are going to a glorious after life, millions of soldier monkeys [and countless female and children monkeys] have been slaughtered through thousands of years to service smart monkeys.
It is high time monkeys stepped away from the worship of books and the worship of the various smart monkey absurd stories. The gate keeper priest monkey’s claim they know what is beyond those gates you must be willing to sacrifice your life in order to walk through. And yet none …. NONE …. have actually stepped onto the other side themselves, returning to tell anyone what they found.


Religion, the Oldest Weapon of Mass Destruction in Human History




Most likely the first human who invented the first god was some smart tribal guy who saw that it was a very effective way to protect himself from bodily harm by the stronger ones if he made them and the less smart members of his tribe believe he had a very strong friend living across the mountains. A friend so strong that he could make the mountains rumble by stamping his feet on the ground. Others would not dare to attack him fearing the revenge of such a powerful friend and even though no one ever saw this friend it was better to be safe than sorry.
It probably did not take long for this smart guy to discover that his fellow tribesmen were easily led to believe that this thunder ally would make them nearly invincible in battle with rivaling tribes and could even conquer these tribes. The smart guy was well aware that in reality he was not safe at all so he turned to the strongest one around, usually the tribe leader and made him believe that he was favored by the mighty thunder-friend across the mountains.
As history progressed the tribal leaders became the Kings of the later times where the smart guys became the holy men, and priests.
Of course the strong friend story was revised when people could cross the mountain and were likely to find nothing there. As time passed the powerful friend moved to a place where no man could travel, places like in the sky, the deepest sea, or the top of un-climbable mountains.
Religion became the most powerful way of making people compliant and even the Roman Empire saw that its culture of countless god families would not work if they wanted to maintain power over Europe. In the 4th century Emperor Constantine the Great started a change when he decided to go for a new approach that seemed to work in the eastern territories so he threw out the old God families with their immensely complex mythical stories and started simplifying things by adopting the one single god of the Jewish culture combined with folklore about a prophet who claimed to have been the son of this Jewish god; this was a wise decision because in this way he would not cross the Jews, who he saw as a nuisance and wished he could get rid of.


More: https://www.enlightenmentafrica.com/...-human-history
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Convincing other not so smart monkeys to kill and die for the ideas of god, country, real-estate, and [other peoples] wealth, is the greatest ongoing scam smart monkeys came up with. Believing they are going to a glorious after life, millions of soldier monkeys [and countless female and children monkeys] have been slaughtered through thousands of years to service smart monkeys.
It is high time monkeys stepped away from the worship of books and the worship of the various smart monkey absurd stories. The gate keeper priest monkey’s claim they know what is beyond those gates you must be willing to sacrifice your life in order to walk through. And yet none …. NONE …. have actually stepped onto the other side themselves, returning to tell anyone what they found.


Religion, the Oldest Weapon of Mass Destruction in Human History




Most likely the first human who invented the first god was some smart tribal guy who saw that it was a very effective way to protect himself from bodily harm by the stronger ones if he made them and the less smart members of his tribe believe he had a very strong friend living across the mountains. A friend so strong that he could make the mountains rumble by stamping his feet on the ground. Others would not dare to attack him fearing the revenge of such a powerful friend and even though no one ever saw this friend it was better to be safe than sorry.
It probably did not take long for this smart guy to discover that his fellow tribesmen were easily led to believe that this thunder ally would make them nearly invincible in battle with rivaling tribes and could even conquer these tribes. The smart guy was well aware that in reality he was not safe at all so he turned to the strongest one around, usually the tribe leader and made him believe that he was favored by the mighty thunder-friend across the mountains.
As history progressed the tribal leaders became the Kings of the later times where the smart guys became the holy men, and priests.
Of course the strong friend story was revised when people could cross the mountain and were likely to find nothing there. As time passed the powerful friend moved to a place where no man could travel, places like in the sky, the deepest sea, or the top of un-climbable mountains.
Religion became the most powerful way of making people compliant and even the Roman Empire saw that its culture of countless god families would not work if they wanted to maintain power over Europe. In the 4th century Emperor Constantine the Great started a change when he decided to go for a new approach that seemed to work in the eastern territories so he threw out the old God families with their immensely complex mythical stories and started simplifying things by adopting the one single god of the Jewish culture combined with folklore about a prophet who claimed to have been the son of this Jewish god; this was a wise decision because in this way he would not cross the Jews, who he saw as a nuisance and wished he could get rid of.


More: https://www.enlightenmentafrica.com/...-human-history

Atheist shit.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Atheist shit.

Brain dead Trumpkin shit.
 
Aurelia
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God is the nature and nature cannot be exceeded by the science
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Atheist shit.

Naaah! fakebook shit


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petros
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Convincing other not so smart monkeys to kill and die for the ideas of god, country, real-estate, and [other peoples] wealth, is the greatest ongoing scam smart monkeys came up with.

You might want to look into how territorial and violent monkeys and apes are in defending or acquiring real estate and the "women monkeys" that occupy it and all with a hierarchical structure.

Do they have Religion?

Cetaceans are along the same lines in the oceans.

Do they have Religion?
 
petros
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Ruminants will fight to the death for real estate and dominance.

Do elk have Religion?

Would you f-ck with a Godless elk in rut?
 
Dexter Sinister
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I don't think science can definitively rule out a deity, or rule one in for that matter. I've seen lots of arguments pro and con, both scientific and unscientific, all based at least implicitly on certain assumptions about the characteristics of that deity, which remains problematic. You can specify the characteristics of a deity in such a way as to ensure it can be ruled out, or in, and I don't find any of them very convincing. Personally I don't believe there's a deity, the evidence and arguments I've seen offered in favour of one seem to me insufficient to establish the truth of the claim that there is one, but there's an important philosophical difference between not believing there is one and believing there isn't one. The former is my position, doubt seems to me the default position on any claim until the evidence and arguments in its favour have been produced and found satisfactory, the latter seems logically indefensible to me.
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

You might want to look into how territorial and violent monkeys and apes are in defending or acquiring real estate and the "women monkeys" that occupy it and all with a hierarchical structure.

Do they have Religion?

Cetaceans are along the same lines in the oceans.

Do they have Religion?

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Ruminants will fight to the death for real estate and dominance.

Do elk have Religion?

Would you f-ck with a Godless elk in rut?

Can we prove that Monkeys & Elk & Cetaceans don't have religion (?) and aren't fighting their own form of Jihad? I smell a research grant here, & I thought of it first, & I only want 5% of the take.
 
Ron in Regina
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Going further, "Monkey Jihad!" would make one Hell of a fantastic name for a band. First mentioned here...& I only want 5%.