Britain to go on mission to the Moon by 2010


Blackleaf
#1
All the other countries in Europe have to join together under ESA (European Space Agency) to send craft to space. But Britain its planning to launch a mission to space ON ITS OWN by 2010 - it wants to go to the Moon.

Britain's first mission to the Moon, named "Moonlight", will take place around 2010. If it does, it will become the first European country to go on a mission to the Moon without taking part with other European countries. The cost of space travel has fallen so much that Britain doesn't have to spend the vast sums that America spends on its space missions.

Britain needs to explore space on its own without the Americans and Europeans.
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Britain eyes its first mission to the moon

10th January 2007


How Britain's "Moonlight" could look like


Britain's "Moonraker" will attempt to land on the Moon's surface


Britain could send its first un-manned mission to the moon by 2010 to study the lunar surface and find the best site for humans to inhabit, the BBC has reported.

A report by Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd., a top British space company, found the cost of space travel had fallen enough to let the government consider such a probe, it said.

Britain's astronomy funding agency, the Particle Physics and Astronomy Research Council, was understood to be considering the idea, the broadcaster added.

"We are going to go to the moon in order to generate new business opportunities, science opportunities and develop technology," Surrey Satellite Chief Executive Martin Sweeting, who wrote the report, told BBC News late on Tuesday.

The idea would be to launch two forays to the moon.

The first, named "Moonlight", would fire four darts the size of suitcases onto the moon's surface from orbit to test for quakes, tremors and other data, the BBC said.

If the mission was successful, a second probe, "Moonraker" would be launched with the aim of landing on the moon.

"Moonraker" would search for sites where humans could live as part of a plan by NASA to build a permanently occupied lunar base there, with flights slated to begin in 2020, the BBC said.

Science minister Malcolm Wicks was upbeat about the idea, forecasting that outer space would have an increasingly important economic role for Britain.

"The benefits are enormous not only to science but actually to the economy and what we are going to see in this century is space and British space excellence increasingly becoming part of the British economy and things we are good at," he told the BBC.

Britain's space dreams suffered a blow in 2003 with the failure of the Beagle 2 mission to seek out life on Mars (but that can be blamed on ESA's Mission Control in Germany).






Ground control to Major Tom: The British are hoping to launch a 21st century moon mission (this picture shows Earth in the distance)



dailymail.co.uk
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Britain plans first Moon mission


By Pallab Ghosh

BBC science correspondent




The instruments would be fired from orbit


Particle Physics and Astronomy Research Council



The UK could soon have its first mission to the Moon - an orbiting spacecraft that would fire instruments into the lunar surface.

The "penetrators" would yield new information about the rocky interior.

The venture is being considered by Britain's astronomy funding agency, PParc, and may pass to the government as a full proposal.

The concept has been prepared by Surrey Satellite Technology Limited, one of the country's leading space companies.

Its founder and chief executive, Professor Sir Martin Sweeting, has written a report which says the costs of space exploration have fallen sufficiently for the UK to think about launching such a probe by 2010.


Inside the Moon

Sir Martin proposes two options for Britain's first foray to the Moon.

The first, named Moonlight, would despatch four suitcase-sized darts on to the lunar surface from orbit. The darts would be sent into craters across a wide area.

They would hit the ground at a high velocity and penetrate to a depth of 2m (6ft).

There have been 12 astronauts on the Moon and more than 40 unmanned probes and yet we know surprisingly little about our nearest neighbour
Dr Andrew Coates, Mullard Space Science Lab


The darts could carry a small suite of instruments, such as seismometers to listen for "Moonquakes". Analysing these tremors would give scientists new insight into the make-up of the lunar interior.

Prof Alan Smith, of University College London's Mullard Space Science Laboratory, which has contributed to the concept study, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "The idea is that by about 2010 we will launch four scientific high-impact probes.

"They will land on the moon at about 400mph. They will make various scientific measurements sampling various parts of the moon."


Mysterious

Prof Smith added that the mission would also test technology which could be used to explore Mars.

According to Dr Andrew Coates, of the Mullard Space Science Lab and who has contributed to the concept study, the impactors would represent the first time there had been a detailed study of the Moon's sub-surface.

"There have been 12 astronauts on the Moon and more than 40 unmanned probes and yet we know surprisingly little about our nearest neighbour," he said.

"Previous missions have focussed on the side of the Moon that faces the Earth. Our plan with Moonlight is for the first time is to explore the mysterious far side of the Moon as well."

If Moonlight was successful, the proposal is to follow it up with a spacecraft called Moonraker. This is designed to land on the lunar surface.


Moonraker would attempt to land on the lunar surface


Its job would be to search for suitable sites for eventual human habitation, as part of the US space agency's (Nasa) plans to begin colonising Earth's satellite by 2020.

Until now, Britain's involvement in space has been as a partner in co-operation with Nasa and the European Space Agency (Esa); but Sir Martin feels the time is now right for the UK to push out on its own.

"Because, for the first time, it's now affordable," he told BBC News.

"Current small missions to the Moon cost about 500 million euros.

With advances in small satellites, we could probably cut the cost by at least a fifth."

The missions would give UK scientists more opportunities to study the Moon; but Sir Martin believes Britain should also go solo because it would present British industry with an incredible opportunity.


Economic gain

The Americans intend to set up a lunar colony; and the European, Indian and Chinese space agencies all have designs on the Moon.

Sir Martin thinks a UK "Moonshot" could provide the focus for British space companies to develop support technologies for what is rapidly turning into a 21st-Century space race.

"In the UK, we have tremendous expertise in this area. A UK Moon programme would enable us to get a foothold in what could turn out to be an economically important area for a relatively low cost," he argued.

Sir Martin's thinks the programme should be funded by industry and government.

His ideas will be made public on Wednesday. At the moment, they are with the Particle Physics and Astronomy Research Council. The next stage will be to get approval and financial support by the business and research communities; and, crucially, to get a government go-ahead. But Sir Martin believes that with enough support, he will be able to get a British probe to the Moon by the decade's end.



news.bbc.co.uk
Last edited by Blackleaf; Jan 10th, 2007 at 02:22 PM..
 
hermanntrude
#2
good stuff. didnt know old britannia still had it in her
 
Toro
#3
Are they going to take Blackleaf?
 
L Gilbert
#4
That for real or is it the blueprints for a new brit sitcom?

Sending a couple Coldstream Guards to march around? The monarchy going to build a palace there, too?
 
hermanntrude
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Toro View Post

Are they going to take Blackleaf?

God, no. we need him/her to inject humourous articles into our lives here. I suspect it comes from the british tabloids...probably the sun
 
Blackleaf
#6
Is Canada thinking about sending a craft to the Moon?

No, I thought not. Canada couldn't afford to send a probe to the Moon even with the current cheaper prices. If Canada manages to send a probe to the Moon before Britain does I'll show my bare arse on the town hall steps. You lot still can't fly troops to Iraq.

Don't get envious, guys, it's embarrassing.
Last edited by Blackleaf; Jan 10th, 2007 at 02:31 PM..
 
hermanntrude
#7
<sings>

RULE BRITTANNIA, BRITTANIA RULES THE WAVES!
 
Blackleaf
#8
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Next stop, the Moon!
 
mapleleafgirl
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Is Canada thinking about sending a craft to the Moon?

No, I thought not. Canada couldn't afford to send a probe to the Moon even with the current cheaper prices. If Canada manages to send a probe to the Moon before Britain does I'll show my bare arse on the town hall steps. You lot still can't fly troops to Iraq.

Don't get envious, guys, it's embarrassing.

sheesh, get over yourself okay. whatcha gonna do up there, drink tea and plan a new empire? god knows you lost it here and youll not get one back that soon!hey, maybe you can send those silly royals of yours up there so we can be rid of them all.
 
mapleleafgirl
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude View Post

<sings>

RULE BRITTANNIA, BRITTANIA RULES THE WAVES!

yeah they used to, now they do whatever the usa tells them to.
 
hermanntrude
#11
not now blair's on his way out. notice we've started to say no to bush already? admittedly in a quiet way, but remember a)this is britain, we always do things quietly b)people who loudly object to bush get blown up
 
mapleleafgirl
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude View Post

not now blair's on his way out. notice we've started to say no to bush already? admittedly in a quiet way, but remember a)this is britain, we always do things quietly b)people who loudly object to bush get blown up

youre in england? how come so many non-canadians are interested in a canadian forum anyways? just curious..seems allot of americans and english are here. anyways i hope you guys get better at doing your own thing, or just being quiet for a bit maybe? really, what have you guys done in the last 100 years that was interesting except for the beatles?now they were the best thing out of england ever.
 
hermanntrude
#13
i'm IN alberta, I'm FROM england. And my wife is from newfoundland.

International family. International views. Although I dont care a lot for the UK i am still proud of it in certain aspects. This is one
 
mapleleafgirl
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude View Post

i'm IN alberta, I'm FROM england. And my wife is from newfoundland.

International family. International views. Although I dont care a lot for the UK i am still proud of it in certain aspects. This is one

oh okay, sorry. i dont care for england at all. i do know they did good things, but i think the people are really stuck on themselves, like the japanese. they really think they are something and their royal family gets under my skin. i hate those people, to me they're just parasites and i wish canada would dump the whole monarchy. its embaressing for a modern canada to have an english queen. and be honest, does anybody really believe they give a sh*t about canada? like elizabeth probably dosent even know whats going on over here-so why is she our queen anyway?
 
hermanntrude
#15
I admit your average english person has no clue about canada. But the intelligent ones are greatly respectful. Including the queen and her family, who do help out from time to time. I admit you don't need them but at the same time i think they do no harm.

England is not a bad place. English people are not bad people. Unfortunately the average IQ of any country is lower than probably either of ours. Canadians I admit do seem to be more aware of their surroundings though.
 
mapleleafgirl
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude View Post

I admit your average english person has no clue about canada. But the intelligent ones are greatly respectful. Including the queen and her family, who do help out from time to time. I admit you don't need them but at the same time i think they do no harm.

England is not a bad place. English people are not bad people. Unfortunately the average IQ of any country is lower than probably either of ours. Canadians I admit do seem to be more aware of their surroundings though.

so what if shes a nice person? lots of foreign people are nice dosent mean they should be involved in our government. okay, no bs, be honest, what exactly is the point of having a queen who dosent even live here?what is her function here? to visit and wave at us and take flowers.....we need that why???why do we have to pay for a govenor general to represent her? its a waste of mone in my opinion. okay, even more to the point, we got this queen, we got a pm...what connection do the two have here?its a joke and the problem is people in ths country just dont wanna admit the royal family is about as necessary to canada as a snail.
 
hermanntrude
#17
there are many other threads on this subject and many good reasons have been laid down for keeping the monarchy. many rather emotional reasons have been presented for getting rid of it too. doesnt seem to make much difference to me though. doesnt matter who's at the top we're still pawns
 
mapleleafgirl
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude View Post

there are many other threads on this subject and many good reasons have been laid down for keeping the monarchy. many rather emotional reasons have been presented for getting rid of it too. doesnt seem to make much difference to me though. doesnt matter who's at the top we're still pawns


thatstrue. sorry to go on about them but i dislike the whole monarchy so much. i beieve when people my age take over, well dump them all. old people seem so attached to them and jst dont wanna see what is s obvious-they are just unnecessary to anyone. we need them like we need holes in our heads. but, theyll be gone i think when we young people get our turn to run the country. most people i know my age couldcare less about elizabeth or any of them.
 
Daz_Hockey
#19
and to reply to the "what has Britain done in the past 100 years" rubbish......we fought, and many of us died to save the free world, keep the candle light of democracy alive in Europe, quietly dismantled our empire in the nicest possible way anyone could, gave the British people the FIRST universally free from Cradle-to-Grave healthcare system.

not much eh?.

oh and you know what Prime minister Lloyd George used to called King George?...."my little German".

Daz

(and actually, I have a Canadian work permit, but am in England recieving top-class healthcare! )
 
hermanntrude
#20
had a feeling daz'd fight that one for me.

elizabeth is a subtle person, and has done a lot of good in the world, and although i have no specifics i'd be prepared to bet she's done a lot of good for canada. Prince charles, however, needs to be put down
 
mapleleafgirl
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Daz_Hockey View Post

and to reply to the "what has Britain done in the past 100 years" rubbish......we fought, and many of us died to save the free world, keep the candle light of democracy alive in Europe, quietly dismantled our empire in the nicest possible way anyone could, gave the British people the FIRST universally free from Cradle-to-Grave healthcare system.

not much eh?.

oh and you know what Prime minister Lloyd George used to called King George?...."my little German".

Daz

(and actually, I have a Canadian work permit, but am in England recieving top-class healthcare! )

yeah, thats right, you were doing a great job in the war-thank god you had canadians and americans to keep you from getting taken over.otherwise youd all be speaking german now when you were drinking your tea.
 
hermanntrude
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by mapleleafgirl View Post

yeah, thats right, you were doing a great job in the war-thank god you had canadians and americans to keep you from getting taken over.otherwise youd all be speaking german now when you were drinking your tea.

can of worms. mark my words
 
Daz_Hockey
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by mapleleafgirl View Post

yeah, thats right, you were doing a great job in the war-thank god you had canadians and americans to keep you from getting taken over.otherwise youd all be speaking german now when you were drinking your tea.


You can carry on with those stereotypes if you wish, but actually:

1. a fair percentage of the English language is german, due to the fact it's a germanic language (and besides which, Hitler wasnt really interested in taking over Bbritain...he was actually one of our biggest fans, do some reading).

2. Have you stepped outside your door lately????.... Herman will probably know better than I, but Canada is more like "old England" than "England" is at the moment...but carry on going on about those racial stereotypes....shows the classy girl you are.

Daz
 
hermanntrude
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrude View Post

can of worms. mark my words

thought it'd be a bigger can with more worms. did u mark them though?
 
fuzzylogix
#25
Ah- Canada more like "Old England" than England itself?????

Daz, I dont know who YOU have been talking to in Canada or which British Legion Pub you hang out in in Canada, but the waving of the Union Jack has LONG since disappeared here. I mean, sure we have the lovely old ladies who drink their tea in their nursing homes, and talk reverantly of the Queen Mum, and wasnt it a shame about Diana, but let's be realistic. The new generation dont give a flying pig's ear about the Royalty.
 
hermanntrude
#26
I think possibly you have to be older and wiser to realise what the queen means. maybe not though. I admit she's nothing special but she's done more for canada than you or i
 
Daz_Hockey
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by fuzzylogix View Post

Ah- Canada more like "Old England" than England itself?????

Daz, I dont know who YOU have been talking to in Canada or which British Legion Pub you hang out in in Canada, but the waving of the Union Jack has LONG since disappeared here. I mean, sure we have the lovely old ladies who drink their tea in their nursing homes, and talk reverantly of the Queen Mum, and wasnt it a shame about Diana, but let's be realistic. The new generation dont give a flying pig's ear about the Royalty.


It's from my own experiences of Canada actually fuzzy...we dont wave the union jack here too much neither...it's more the st. George's cross actually, but I'll put it like this....BOTH Canada and the US are more like stereotypical England than England these days....there are loads of examples, measuring systems, pronounciations.....most countries in the UK dont tend to have the union flag on their flags....a fair percentage of provences do!!...

really, as an Englishman, Canada, to me, seems more like England than England thses days....did you also know your coins are the same size as ours too?...I've got some here, it's a virtual match. plus, Do you speak Polish?...cus it's required where I am.
 
DurkaDurka
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Is Canada thinking about sending a craft to the Moon?

No, I thought not. Canada couldn't afford to send a probe to the Moon even with the current cheaper prices. If Canada manages to send a probe to the Moon before Britain does I'll show my bare arse on the town hall steps. You lot still can't fly troops to Iraq.

Don't get envious, guys, it's embarrassing.

Is austin powers going to command the flight in an Austin Mini?
 
DurkaDurka
#29
Blackleaf:

Google "Telesat". Telesat is a Canadian company which has extensive experience in designing, launching and mantaining all sorts of satellites. Your depictions of Canada having no experience in Space exploration is a joke.
 
hermanntrude
#30
durka calm down. We're just showing a little pride in our homelands. Canada is wonderful too.
 

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