Federal Heating Rebate


bevvyd
#1
Here's the link:

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/A...finance_051004

Well once again the feds are selective in who gets what. I mean this is an issue that affects every homeowner/renter/leasee/whohaveyou regardless of income level, and if you are going to use federal monies then I personally feel everyone should get a rebate.

What do you think?
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#2
I think it's time to get me a wood stove...
 
mrmom2
#3
How about lowering the Tax bill that way everybody gets a break.I know its going to be a fight to heat this house and pay for it The wood stove may have to go in just to stay warm this year
 
Reverend Blair
#4
I think it should be based on income. Lower income people tend to live in older housing and cannot afford to insulate etc. The new bill leaves out everybody without children between the ages of 19 and 65 though. The rebates should be based on household income. They should also be higher. Even with the rebates poor people are going to have to choose between heating and food. Some who depend on vehicles for employment (like couriers) are getting hit with a double whammy.

I have little pity for people living in monster houses with double attached, heated garages. If they have to pay for making wasteful choices, tough titty.

I do think that there has to be a more reasonable program for upgrading houses to save energy. Right now you need to meet minimums and jump through hoops for a minimal return.

Why not drop the GST on insulation, windows and doors, etc? That would be a 7% saving on a good chunk of renovation costs. Why not allow people to save their receipts from a renovation and give them an income tax break on that? A lot of people cannot afford to meet the minimums, so they replace one door or window at a time. They get nothing back for doing that.

Why not offer low-cost loans to people who want to move to alternate heating methods? Heat pumps, solar and wind-powered electric, etc. are all choices that people who would benefit the most cannot make because they lack the initial capital.

How about changing the building codes? Double offset stud walls reduce heat loss. Require better windows and doors. Make heat pumps standard in all new developments.

Everything I've mentioned here not only saves energy, but will generate economic activity and produce jobs. All rebates on heating do in the long term is use our tax money to pay corporations that are already making record profits.
 
mrmom2
#5
You should send that plan to your local mp Rev sounds pretty reasonable to me
 
Reverend Blair
#6
He's fully aware of it, Mr. Mom. He's also been pushing it for a long time. That's what happens when you base policy on science, technology and fact instead of the best interest of your corporate donors.
 
mrmom2
#7
Way to go Rev
 
Reverend Blair
#8
I didn't do it anymore than thousands of others. The ideas come from the same places is all.
 
bevvyd
#9
So why shouldn't middle income earners get some sort of rebate? These are after all taxpayers dollars which everyone single one of us contributed in some form or another.
 
bevvyd
#10
So why shouldn't middle income earners get some sort of rebate? These are after all taxpayers dollars which everyone single one of us contributed in some form or another.
 
bevvyd
#11
So why shouldn't middle income earners get some sort of rebate? These are after all taxpayers dollars which everyone single one of us contributed in some form or another.
 
Reverend Blair
#12
Quote:

So why shouldn't middle income earners get some sort of rebate? These are after all taxpayers dollars which everyone single one of us contributed in some form or another.

I never said that we shouldn't, I said that it should be based on income. The biggest rebates should go to those who need it the most, the smallest should go to those who need it the least.

Even those at the very top of the income scale would get a 7% break if we dropped the GST from energy-saving products.
 
bevvyd
#13
Sorry I misunderstood you. Am I forgiven?
 
Jo Canadian
#14
 
Reverend Blair
#15
Quote:

Sorry I misunderstood you. Am I forgiven?

Of course.

Hey, maybe woven wall hangins like the used to use in castles will come back into style. Those are cool.
 
Twila
#16
So how do you get in on it? Is it automatic? How do you find out about the furnace rebates. We need a new furnace......
 
mrmom2
#17
Hey Twinks hold of on the new furnace as long as you can.I've heard through a installer friennd of mine that the plan will be the goverment will reimburse you the cost of a new high eficency furnace .All you'll have to pay is the installation cost .I think its part of meeting the Kyoto plan targets .When I get more details I'll let you know .My old rumbler downstairs needs replacing too
 
Reverend Blair
#18
Careful with the high efficiency ones. If you own an older home that hasn't been brought up to R-2000+ standards, they can actually run too much and end up using more fuel, as well as wearing out prematurely.

An honest salesman will tell you that, and most companies are pretty good about it, but there are some rather unscrupulous types out there who will sell you the most expensive thing they can instead. If the government is paying, they'll be coming out of the woodwork.

There are models that are fairly efficient, almost certainly better than what you have now, but won't cause problems in an older house.

The flip side of that is that if you have an older house and bring it up to R-2000 standards, you should also consider a smaller, more efficient furnace because an old large one can cause much the same problem.
 
Twila
#19
Our place was built in the 1980's we have new windows. new siding Apprently great insulation.

I don't know if that's considered an older home
 
Reverend Blair
#20
Pick a reputable company and tell your furnace salesman that. He'll have a better idea of what that means in your province...provincial codes vary a lot.

If you've got 2x6 studs and fibreglass insulation, combined with a decent vapour barrier, you should be okay though. You might even be able to get one of those that vents out the wall instead of requiring a chimney.
 
Karlin
#21
Windmills!!

read the next post
 
Karlin
#22
How about the Feds giving us the option of any recipients of the Federal Energy Rebate can send it back and they will build windmills with it.

The windmills will give us free electricity once set up, for about 100 years with a little maintenance. Very little, and if paid for upfront, IT IS ALL FREE ELECTRICTY. No investment makes more sense at this time.

It would cut our GGas emissions... {but it will give us credits to use so we can pollute more!! [silly clauses]. }

Just an idea,
'thanks for listening,
Karlin, man of vision
 

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