The Occupied West Bank


Twin_Moose
Conservative
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#31
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Italians do not occupy Palestine now.. those that occupy Palestine now are the Zionists.

It was the Romans that recognized it as a Jewish region and changed the name to antagonize them, therefore hate the Italians.
 
petros
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#32
Only Judea was Jewish the rest were Israelites ruled by Judea.
 
Walter
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#33  Top Rated Post
Jews were there before Mohamed was born.
 
Torch light
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Jews were there before Mohamed was born.

The ownership of entire earth belongs to God Almighty; He gives out of His ownership to whomever He pleases and strips the ownership from ever He likes to abolish.

Quran 3: 26-27, which mean:
(26. Say [O Mohammed, in your prayer:]

"Our God, the Absolute Owner of the 'kingdom and possession' [of the life of the World and the Next Life];

You offer 'kingdom and possession' to whomever [of your servants] You please, and take away 'kingdom and possession' from whoever [of people] You want;

You exalt whoever [of people] You like [to dignify among them] and abase whoever You want [to abase];

the good [as a whole] is by Your hand;

You are the All-Able to do anything [of that.]"

27. "You merge the night into the day, and merge the day into the night [because of the rotation of the earth around its axis].

You produce the living from the dead, and produce the dead from the living, and provide sustenance, to whomever You please, without stint."
)

See the complete interpretation of these 2 ayat:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/3.htm#a3_26
quran-ayat.com/pret/3.htm#a3_26
 
gerryh
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#35
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

The ownership of entire earth belongs to God Almighty; He gives out of His ownership to whomever He pleases and strips the ownership from ever He likes to abolish.
Quran 3: 26-27, which mean:
(26. Say [O Mohammed, in your prayer:]
"Our God, the Absolute Owner of the 'kingdom and possession' [of the life of the World and the Next Life];
You offer 'kingdom and possession' to whomever [of your servants] You please, and take away 'kingdom and possession' from whoever [of people] You want;
You exalt whoever [of people] You like [to dignify among them] and abase whoever You want [to abase];
the good [as a whole] is by Your hand;
You are the All-Able to do anything [of that.]"
27. "You merge the night into the day, and merge the day into the night [because of the rotation of the earth around its axis].
You produce the living from the dead, and produce the dead from the living, and provide sustenance, to whomever You please, without stint."
)
See the complete interpretation of these 2 ayat:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/3.htm#a3_26
quran-ayat.com/pret/3.htm#a3_26


Then obviously, he has chosen to give isreal what they have, and what they can take.
 
DaSleeper
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#36
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

The ownership of entire earth belongs to God Almighty; He gives out of His ownership to whomever He pleases and strips the ownership from ever He likes to abolish.

Quran 3: 26-27, which mean:
(26. Say [O Mohammed, in your prayer:]

"Our God, the Absolute Owner of the 'kingdom and possession' [of the life of the World and the Next Life];

You offer 'kingdom and possession' to whomever [of your servants] You please, and take away 'kingdom and possession' from whoever [of people] You want;

You exalt whoever [of people] You like [to dignify among them] and abase whoever You want [to abase];

the good [as a whole] is by Your hand;

You are the All-Able to do anything [of that.]"

27. "You merge the night into the day, and merge the day into the night [because of the rotation of the earth around its axis].

You produce the living from the dead, and produce the dead from the living, and provide sustenance, to whomever You please, without stint."
)

See the complete interpretation of these 2 ayat:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/3.htm#a3_26
quran-ayat.com/pret/3.htm#a3_26


Can you do this, you false prophet....


 
gerryh
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Can you do this, you false prophet....


Technically, he can't do that.
 
Torch light
#38
My comment:
God instructed His messenger to pray Him with this prayer, and He answered his prayer and gave him the inheritance of all the ancient world,
and will give to the Mahdi the ownership of the Arab and Muslim land, and I think at least the sovereignty of the entire earth.
This in spite of you, Jews and Christians: I mean the rancorous and blasphemers among you.

Quran 9: 33, which means:
(It is He [: God] Who has sent His messenger [: Mohammed] with the guidance [: included in the Quran] and [the Islam:] the religion of [pure] truth,

[Then God – be glorified – told that the truth will overcome and the religion of the Islam will prevail on all religions in the future, so He said …]

that He may make it victorious over all religions [in the future, in the time of the Awaited Mahdi: the Comforter] though the "idolaters and associaters" are averse [to that.])

See the complete interpreatation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/9.htm#a9_33
quran-ayat.com/pret/9.htm#a9_33
Last edited by Torch light; 2 weeks ago at 03:58 PM..
 
gerryh
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#39
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

My comment:
God instructed His messenger to pray Him with this prayer, and He answered his prayer and gave him the inheritance of all the ancient world,
and will give to the Mahdi the ownership of the Arab and Muslim land, and I think at least the sovereignty of the entire earth. This in spite of you, Jews and Christians: I mean the rancorous and blasphemers among you.
Quran 9: 33, which means:
(It is He [: God] Who has sent His messenger [: Mohammed] with the guidance [: included in the Quran] and [the Islam:] the religion of [pure] truth,
[Then God – be glorified – told that the truth will overcome and the religion of the Islam will prevail on all religions in the future, so He said …]
that He may make it victorious over all religions [in the future, in the time of the Awaited Mahdi: the Comforter] though the "idolaters and associaters" are averse [to that.])
See the complete interpreatation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/9.htm#a9_33
quran-ayat.com/pret/9.htm#a9_33

That's not what's happening, though, is it. Admit it, Satans predictions aren't coming true.
 
Torch light
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Then obviously, he has chosen to give isreal what they have, and what they can take.

This is true to some extent: this to degrade Muslims because they have fallen in the tomb worship:
but this is only temporary: when He has set the idolaters among Jews and Christians on Muslims in the present time:
only for a limited period until they come to devote themselves to Him alone without associate or son.

[[N.B. May also depend on the Holy Aqsa Mosque and preventing Muslims from prayers and the transgression on God's House of worship: the Mahdi may come: I saw some portents of his coming: "The sign of the coming of the Mahdi is the excavation of the Temple."]]

So God gave the land as inheritance to His servants among the Israelite in the time of Joshua and the rest of prophets.. then when they fell in the idolatry, He stripped the ownership from them and set on them the King of Babylon.

And He turned toward the Israelite afterwards when they listened to their prophets Ezekiel and Daniel and Nehemiah..

then they fell in the idolatry and wronged each other, and He sent them Jesus Christ.. and they denied him .. so He set on them Titus the Roman leader and destroyed them utterly.

Then He sent Prophet Mohammed, and when the Arab believed and broke their idols, He gave them the inheritance of the entire earth..

Then Muslims declined and fell in the idolatry and He stripped the ownership from them and set on them the Mongol and the Tatar.. then the Crusades, then the Imperialists and Zionists.

So now, the outcome depends on their devotion: if Muslims once again devote themselves to God (Insha Allah in the near future), He once again will make them the successors and masters of the earth to rule people with justice and devotion to God alone, and if they again fall in the idolatry .. things will deteriorate till Doomsday

Therefore, your end: Zionists and Imperialists (among Jews and Christians) is very near and depends on this condition. Very easy to God.
Last edited by Torch light; 2 weeks ago at 04:53 PM..
 
Torch light
#41
God fulfilled His promise to believers to give them sovereignty in the earth :

So God made the Muslims successors in the earth, following after the past righteous people in the time of the prophets, and in the time of Prophet Jesus and his disciples, and God fulfilled His promise to make them successors in the earth.

Quran 24: 55, which means:
(God promises those among you who believe [with a true belief] and work righteous [works]:

that He will make them successors [to dispose] in the earth [succeeding those before them], as did He – before them – make those [Children of Israel:] successors [who succeeded Pharaoh in Egypt and the Amalecite in Jordan],

and that He will establish for them their religion [of the Islam] which He has approved for them,

and will grant them security in exchange after their fear [of the associaters among the Arab];

[on condition that] they should worship Me [alone] but should not associate anything with Me. Then whoso becomes ungrateful, even after that [blessing], such will be sinners.
)

The complete interpretation of this aya, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/24.htm#a24_55
quran-ayat.com/pret/24.htm#a24_55
 
gerryh
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

This is true to some extent: this to degrade Muslims because they have fallen in the tomb worship:
but this is only temporary: when He has set the idolaters among Jews and Christians on Muslims in the present time:
only for a limited period until they come to devote themselves to Him alone without associate or son.
So God gave the land as inheritance to His servants among the Israelite in the time of Joshua and the rest of prophets.. then when they fell in the idolatry, He stripped the ownership from them and set on them the King of Babylon.
And He turned toward the Israelite afterwards when they listened to their prophets Ezekiel and Daniel and Nehemiah..
then they fell in the idolatry and wronged each other, and He sent them Jesus Christ.. and they denied him .. so He set on them Titus the Roman leader and destroyed them utterly.
Then He sent Prophet Mohammed, and when the Arab believed and broke their idols, He gave them the inheritance of the entire earth..
Then Muslims declined and fell in the idolatry and He stripped the ownership from them and set on them the Mongol and the Tatar.. then the Crusades, then the Imperialists and Zionists.
So now, the outcome depends on their devotion: if Muslims once again devote themselves to God (Insha Allah in the near future), He once again will make them the successors and masters of the earth to rule people with justice and devotion to God alone, and if they again fall in the idolatry .. things will deteriorate till Doomsday
Therefore, your end: Zionists and Imperialists (among Jews and Christians) is very near and depends on this condition. Very easy to God.


Sorry, your "god" is Satan and he will never win against our lord and Savior Jesus Christ and our Almighty Father.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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#43
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Sorry, your "god" is Satan and he will never win against our lord and Savior Jesus Christ and our Almighty Father.

The angriest and most confrontational poster follows the teachings of Jesus . Really !
 
gerryh
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#44
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

The angriest and most confrontational poster follows the teachings of Jesus . Really !

Fu ckin amazing, isnt it.
 
Girth
+1
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

The angriest and most confrontational poster follows the teachings of Jesus . Really !

That's amazing.

Then again, some of the most hateful and closed minded people I have ever met, happen to be Christians, and attend services every Sunday.
 
Torch light
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#46
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Sorry, your "god" is Satan and he will never win against our lord and Savior Jesus Christ and our Almighty Father.

If we check these words, we will know for certain that: a heavenly message [of Jesus Christ] has been changed into idolatry [of the present Christians].
 
gerryh
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#47
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

If we check these words, we will know for certain that: a heavenly message [of Jesus Christ] has been changed into idolatry [of the present Christians].


So says Satan.
 
NZDoug
Free Thinker
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#48
Here is a good history of the occupation of Palestine,
...........................................
The current map of Palestine is often described as resembling "Swiss cheese". Over the past century it has been carved up, walled-in and filled with hundreds of illegal Israeli settlements and military checkpoints.
Now, in the latest round of Israel's ongoing occupation and policy of land-grabs this map could become even more disjointed. On July 1, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to announce Israel's annexation of the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea.
Annexation is a term used when a state unilaterally incorporates another territory within its borders. Annexing the Jordan Valley would mean that Israel would officially consider it part of the state of Israel.
"International law is very clear: annexation and territorial conquest are forbidden by the Charter of the United Nations," said Michael Lynk, the UN independent expert on human rights in the Palestinian territories.
To understand what annexation will look like on the ground and how we got here, Al Jazeera has compiled a collection of historic and present-day maps for you to explore.
..............................
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/in...200224100.html
 
gerryh
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#49
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Here is a good history of the occupation of Palestine,
...........................................
The current map of Palestine is often described as resembling "Swiss cheese". Over the past century it has been carved up, walled-in and filled with hundreds of illegal Israeli settlements and military checkpoints.
Now, in the latest round of Israel's ongoing occupation and policy of land-grabs this map could become even more disjointed. On July 1, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to announce Israel's annexation of the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea.
Annexation is a term used when a state unilaterally incorporates another territory within its borders. Annexing the Jordan Valley would mean that Israel would officially consider it part of the state of Israel.
"International law is very clear: annexation and territorial conquest are forbidden by the Charter of the United Nations," said Michael Lynk, the UN independent expert on human rights in the Palestinian territories.
To understand what annexation will look like on the ground and how we got here, Al Jazeera has compiled a collection of historic and present-day maps for you to explore.
..............................
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/in...200224100.html

The land captured during the 1967 war should never have been returned. None of it. The arabs lost it through no fault but their own.
 
Girth
+1 / -1
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Here is a good history of the occupation of Palestine,
...........................................
The current map of Palestine is often described as resembling "Swiss cheese". Over the past century it has been carved up, walled-in and filled with hundreds of illegal Israeli settlements and military checkpoints.
Now, in the latest round of Israel's ongoing occupation and policy of land-grabs this map could become even more disjointed. On July 1, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to announce Israel's annexation of the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea.
Annexation is a term used when a state unilaterally incorporates another territory within its borders. Annexing the Jordan Valley would mean that Israel would officially consider it part of the state of Israel.
"International law is very clear: annexation and territorial conquest are forbidden by the Charter of the United Nations," said Michael Lynk, the UN independent expert on human rights in the Palestinian territories.
To understand what annexation will look like on the ground and how we got here, Al Jazeera has compiled a collection of historic and present-day maps for you to explore.
..............................
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/in...200224100.html

Nut Zone Doug puts too much stock in the UN. He knows that Israel is right, and he has been brainwashed to believe all Israelis (well only the Jewish ones), are a bunch of murderers. There is no hope for him.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2 / -1
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Here is a good history of the occupation of Palestine,
...........................................
The current map of Palestine is often described as resembling "Swiss cheese". Over the past century it has been carved up, walled-in and filled with hundreds of illegal Israeli settlements and military checkpoints.
Now, in the latest round of Israel's ongoing occupation and policy of land-grabs this map could become even more disjointed. On July 1, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to announce Israel's annexation of the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea.
Annexation is a term used when a state unilaterally incorporates another territory within its borders. Annexing the Jordan Valley would mean that Israel would officially consider it part of the state of Israel.
"International law is very clear: annexation and territorial conquest are forbidden by the Charter of the United Nations," said Michael Lynk, the UN independent expert on human rights in the Palestinian territories.
To understand what annexation will look like on the ground and how we got here, Al Jazeera has compiled a collection of historic and present-day maps for you to explore.
..............................
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/in...200224100.html

Funny how it has been recognized as a Jewish state since before the Romans conquered Judea and renamed it Philistine, to piss off the Jewish people
 
Torch light
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Funny how it has been recognized as a Jewish state since before the Romans conquered Judea and renamed it Philistine, to piss off the Jewish people

You deliberately evade the truth: the Palestinian existed in Palestine before the coming of the Hebrew with Moses then with Joshua.
Anyhow, as I said in the post #40

The Palestinian had been before the Hebrew came with Moses then with Joshua.. read the Torah (included in the Old Testament)

And to expose your trick: who were there in Palestine and Joshua fought them, and Saul fought and David fought them?? Was it empty land with no people there?

And I know your devilish deceit: so know that the Palestinian are the progeny of the Canaanite and the folks who inhabited Palestine at that time.

Anyhow, the ownership of the earth belongs to its True Owner God Almighty.

When the Palestinian fell in the idolatry, God brought against them the Hebrew with Moses and Joshua and God gave it to the Hebrew on condition they worship God alone without associate..

Then when the Hebrew fell in the idolatry, God stripped it from them and gave it to Christians, and God expelled all Jews from Palestine..

Then when Christians fell in the idolatry and associated the Christ with God in the glorifying and worshiping, God gave Palestine as inheritance to Muslims so as to worship God alone without associate or peer or son.

Now, some of Muslims have fallen in the enthusiasm about the Prophet himself and his family and they have glorified their tombs,

so God brought the Hebrew (with the assistance of some Crusaders), to degrade and discipline Muslims.. but God promised in the Quran and the Gospel to utterly destroy the Zionists and return the Aqsa Mosque to Muslims to worship God alone in this Holy Mosque and in the entire land of Palestine with safety and security and prosperity.

http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/engl..._of_Perishing_
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english3.htm#A_Warning_to_Zionists_of_Perishing_
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Girth
+1 / -1
#53
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Funny how it has been recognized as a Jewish state since before the Romans conquered Judea and renamed it Philistine, to piss off the Jewish people

The Jews have more right to the Holy Land than anyone else. Give it up with the "illegal occupation" BS. Maybe if you had not expelled nearly one million Jews from Arab lands, and confiscated hundreds of millions in property, the Arabs may ahve a point, but they cannot even be honest about that, insisting it was a "covert Israeli operation."

Arabs lie about everything. Israel should just annex the West Bank and call it a day.
 
Torch light
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#54
Therefore, can anyone fight God Almighty?
Can anyone withstand His might and revenge?
And if God promises, He will certainly fulfill His word of promise.
Which will be very easy to Him to do, and none can object or escape His decree.

But the blasphemers have their self-conceit and over-pride.. thinking that the Zionist with the help of Trump and the rest of Zionists and Imperialists.. they think they can change the falsehood into truth and they deem they can defeat the Palestinian people, the Arab and Muslims.. and they see the present circumstances proper for them to steal the property and transgress on God's House of worship: the Holy Aqsa mosque.. therefore, woe to them from God's revenge.

http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/engl..._of_Perishing_
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english3.htm#A_Warning_to_Zionists_of_Perishing_
 
Torch light
-1
#55
Therefore, now the Zionists have no way other than these options:

1- Best of all is to convert and embrace the Islam religion.. then they will live peacefully among the Arab and Muslims in Palestine.
2- To return immediately from where they came now or else they will miss the chance.
3- At least they may become just and deal justly with Palestinians and do not rob their property and rights.. then the Palestinian may pardon some of them to live with them in Palestine.
4- Or else (as it is expected) to wait for their inevitable destruction.

http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/engl...eir_Illusions_
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english3.htm#Jews_Work_According_to_Their_Illusion s_
Last edited by Torch light; 1 week ago at 04:48 PM..
 
Torch light
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#56
Why the Wicked Zionists of Tel Aviv deserve the terrible God's requital

1- Most of them are atheists, blasphemers, Satanists, while the religious among them are the idolaters worshiping the tombs of their sages and denying Prophet Jesus and Prophet Mohammed.
2- They have transgressed on the Holy House of God the Aqsa mosque and they barred people from worshiping God inside it.
3- They have much wronged and trespassed on the rights of the Palestinian, the Arab and Muslims in Palestine.
4- Their existing in Palestine is in fact, the invalidation of the Christianity and the Islam.
Last edited by Torch light; 1 week ago at 04:46 PM..
 
Torch light
+1
#57
Supporting the Zionists of Tel Aviv is the reason for this Coronavirus

This pandemic with this serious fatal disease is the God's punishment to the Wicked Zionists of Tel Aviv, and to those who support them in America and Europe.

In addition, it is the requital for every idolater even among Muslims themselves.

Therefore, this disease will make the purge and kill every idolater, transgressor and enemy of God...

and will ruin every state and country that supports the Zionists of Tel Aviv, so that their economy will collapse and their livelihood will be hardly difficult.

Hence, the serious crime of the American and European Imperialists is their support to the Wicked Zionists of Tel Aviv against the Arab and Muslims.

Which comes second to their atheism, idolatry and disobedience of all God's commandments.
Last edited by Torch light; 1 week ago at 05:04 PM..
 
Torch light
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#58
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

The Jews have more right to the Holy Land than anyone else. Give it up with the "illegal occupation" BS. Maybe if you had not expelled nearly one million Jews from Arab lands, and confiscated hundreds of millions in property, the Arabs may ahve a point, but they cannot even be honest about that, insisting it was a "covert Israeli operation."
Arabs lie about everything. Israel should just annex the West Bank and call it a day.

The Zionists of Tel Aviv cannot do whatever they like: to occupy then annex and drive the owners of the land the Palestinian people and demolish their homes and build their colonies instead, to imprison and jail and torture and kill .. this can't be unless with the logic of criminals and thieves.

All such crimes will be requited and none will be without due retaliation: tooth for tooth and eye for eye and soul for soul.

So you Zionists dream to escape with your crimes unpunished.. this can't be and will never be.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#59
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Blah blah blah Zionists blah blah...

So you Zionists dream to escape with your crimes unpunished.. this can't be and will never be.

What is YOUR definition of what a Zionist is? YOUR definition & not Alli Billy Whatever's Definition of what a Zionist is? You call everyone who doesn't think like you a Zionist without defining it. Can YOU give YOUR own definition of what a Zionist is please?
 
gerryh
+1
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

The Zionists of Tel Aviv cannot do whatever they like: to occupy then annex and drive the owners of the land the Palestinian people and demolish their homes and build their colonies instead, to imprison and jail and torture and kill .. this can't be unless with the logic of criminals and thieves.
All such crimes will be requited and none will be without due retaliation: tooth for tooth and eye for eye and soul for soul.
So you Zionists dream to escape with your crimes unpunished.. this can't be and will never be.


Did you miss the part where isreal occupied the lands from the suez canal up to and including the Golan heights and from the Mediterranean to Jordan including the west bank and gaza after isreal kicked syria, jordan, and Egypt's ass in 1967. Then out of the goodness of Israel's heart they gave back the Sinai to Egypt the golan heights to syria and the west bank and gaza to the Palestinians. Problem is, the palis through Hamas has continued to attack isreal.
 

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