Canada Sells High Tech......to China


Colpy
Conservative
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The Trudeau government has approved a Chinese takeover of a Montreal high-tech firm, a deal that national-security agencies had warned Ottawa in 2015 would undermine a technological edge that Western militaries have over China.
Hong Kong-based O-Net Communications announced on Monday that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's cabinet had given it the green light to acquire ITF Technologies, a leader in fibre-laser technology.
Applications for such technology include directed-energy weapons.


The deal's fate has been up in the air since the Harper government in July, 2015, acting on advice from national-security agencies, rejected the transaction and ordered that O-Net abandon the deal.
After they took power in November, 2015, the Liberals set aside the Conservative order, and conducted a second review of the O-Net transaction. On Monday, the Trudeau government said it reached a different conclusion: to allow the takeover.
The new green light amounts to a reversal of the 2015 cabinet order and signals a clear shift in Canada's approach to Chinese investment under Mr. Trudeau, who has made deepening relations with China a key foreign-policy objective and has begun free-trade talks with Beijing.
In 2015, an assessment prepared for cabinet warned this deal would hurt national security.

"If the technology is transferred, China would be able to domestically produce advanced military laser technology to Western standards sooner than would otherwise be the case, which diminishes Canadian and allied military advantages," a national-security report by the Department of National Defence and CSIS said then.
The Liberals say they too listened to national-security experts and conducted their own, undisclosed, assessment. That is why, the government said on Monday, it has attached conditions to the transaction that O-Net must meet.
"These conditions are designed to limit the potential risk that could compromise national security," said a government official, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the specifics of the transaction.
Innovation Minister Navdeep Bains, the minister responsible for scrutinizing foreign investment, was unable to divulge these conditions, the government official said, saying such disclosure itself could compromise national security.
Mr. Bains, for his part, released a statement on Monday defending the decision. "Our government has a balanced approach of openness to ideas, people and trade," he said. "The government acted on the full record of evidence and advice provided by Canada's security and intelligence experts."
Conservative public-safety critic Tony Clement accused the Liberals of acting to appease China, which is on its way to surpassing the United States as the world's biggest economy.

"This is just political cover by a government that is bending over backwards to accommodate the People's Republic of China," Mr. Clement said. "The government is ignoring national-security concerns that were valid two years ago and are valid now."
National-security officials were particularly concerned in 2015 about O-Net, according to a source familiar with the earlier assessment, because they considered the Hong Kong firm to be effectively controlled by the Chinese state.
A corporate presentation prepared by O-Net in 2015 indicates more than 25 per cent of its shares are owned by a company that is a subsidiary of Chinese state-owned China Electronics Corporation.
Mr. Clement said he did not believe the conditions the Liberal government has attached to the deal would prevent the feared transfer of technology.
"They haven't proved anything has changed that would merit reconsideration."
Mr. Clement was once the federal minister responsible for scrutinizing foreign investment in Canada.
"I know the difficulties of enforcing conditions after the fact. You have to have a buyer who can be trusted and with whom you will be able to enforce conditions."
National-security reviews of corporate takeovers are a source of friction between Canada and the Chinese scrutiny that China believes has "unfairly targeted" the Asian country, according to briefing books prepared for the international trade minister.
China's new ambassador to Canada, Lu Shaye, told The Globe and Mail last week that "if we abuse the excuse of national security this is the manifestation of trade protectionism."
Mr. Bains offered no rationale for reversing the decision. But the same government official speaking on a not-for-attribution basis said Ottawa felt ITF employees would have taken their knowledge elsewhere if it refused the transaction.
"The company was facing an uncertain future with no obvious buyers," the official said. "If the company had gone under, the expertise and knowledge residing with the company's employees would have scattered. And the government would have had no idea where that knowledge would have ended up."
The government official added: "By keeping the company whole, there is a better chance the employees would remain with [ITF] and keep that knowledge within Canada."
Mr. Bains rejected the notion the Liberals overturned the first cabinet order, saying the Trudeau government merely "consented to an order from the Federal Court requiring us to conduct a new review."
In fact, Ottawa did not need to agree to a new security review. The federal government has extremely broad power under law to approve or reject foreign investments and it is extremely unlikely Ottawa would have lost the O-Net court case if it had fought the challenge instead of undertaking a second review. Foreign-investment lawyers publicly expressed surprise last November when the Liberal government consented to the new national-security assessment.
Fibre lasers are used in one category of directed-energy weapons. A report published by the research firm MarketsandMarkets in October, 2016, projected the market for such military goods would rise to $24.5-billion (U.S.) in 2021 from $6.9-billion in 2016, driven by increased demand for laser weapons from naval forces and a shift to more urban warfare from conventional warfare.
The report said the United States is the largest developer and exporter of directed-energy weapons, but that the Asia-Pacific market is forecast to grow significantly because countries including China have begun programs to develop such weapons.
U.S.-based Lockheed Martin has produced a fibre-laser weapon system it says has precision "equivalent to shooting a beach ball off the top of the Empire State Building from the San Francisco Bay Bridge."



https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/new...obeandmail.com

You know, much as I loathe Trudeau, I always laughed at the tin foil hat crowd yelling he should be arrested for treason.

Well..............maybe they had a point.
 
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Remington1
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Chinese billionnaires were not here for selfies. They were here for the 'pay for access' .
 
TenPenny
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A really stupid move, I don't know why the US and Canada allows all our resources and technology to be sold to the Chinese.
 
EagleSmack
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Twila
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money greed money.

that's why any gov't does anything.

The chinese have money.
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
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Business as usual. For the last forty years the Liberals and Conservatives have watched as promising Canadian firms have been acquired by foreign interests.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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I'm confused. The political right, who normally abhors political interference in any question of commerce want us to interfere?
 
Colpy
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Business as usual. For the last forty years the Liberals and Conservatives have watched as promising Canadian firms have been acquired by foreign interests.

Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I'm confused. The political right, who normally abhors political interference in any question of commerce want us to interfere?

Gentlemen:

This is the gov't allowing the transfer of military technology to one of our most dangerous potential enemies against the wishes of security agencies.

You can not really be this stupid.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Gentlemen:

This is the gov't allowing the transfer of military technology to one of our most dangerous potential enemies against the wishes of security agencies.

You can not really be this stupid.

Just a troll .
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post


You can not really be this stupid.

He really is.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Gentlemen:

This is the gov't allowing the transfer of military technology to one of our most dangerous potential enemies against the wishes of security agencies.

You can not really be this stupid.

Chances are we have better tech cooking in the kitchen than what was sold off.

At least we are getting paid instead of them stealing it. Even with full plans will they be able build a version that compares to Canadian or US quality.

Their copies of the the F22 and F31 are garbage.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
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Umm correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Harper govt pass a law forbidding the sale of Canadian companies to foreign nationals?
 
White_Unifier
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High tech didn't help the British, US or Russians much in Afghanistan and Vietnam and then Afghanistan again. They might have won the last war against Afghanistan, yet even with the tech difference, it was a hard fought war against the Taliban. I think we underestimate the power of an invaded and determined people.
 
petros
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If A-stan and Vietnam campaigns weren't bound to the hearts and minds crap they would have been obliterated.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

If A-stan and Vietnam campaigns weren't bound to the hearts and minds crap they would have been obliterated.

Not possible, physically in the first case and politically in the second.
 
petros
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It's very possible.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It's very possible.

Based on your extensive military expertise and experience?
 
petros
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And you based you malarkey on yours?
 
White_Unifier
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With so many Chinese in Canada, China attacking Canada would be like china attacking its own people. Politically, it would make it very difficult for China no matter how technically advanced it gets. It would not go over well in China if their family members are all being bombed by China in Canada.

It might not be a democracy, but it still has to keep the people at least reasonably happy to avoid open revolt.
 
petros
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The Chinese who immigrated aren't Maoists. They got the f-ck out to get away from Communism.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Gentlemen:

This is the gov't allowing the transfer of military technology to one of our most dangerous potential enemies against the wishes of security agencies.

We've already done that when the research and patents from Nortel were auctioned off holis-bolis. We buy it back from foreigners every time we purchase a computing or communications device. We did it wholesale, by the pound, after the Avro Arrow cancellation but when the strategic aerospace capabilities of Bombardier need some Federal support, well, the whining and whinging and complaining about "them Frenchies" just never ends.

We need a firm policy to protect our technological leadership. Nobody has bothered with one, up to now. Canada has been "for sale", all along.


You can not really be this stupid


I am personally extremely against the transferrence of this technology or any other with any possible military value. Full stop. I was merely pointing out that usually commerce trumps military necessity in this country as few Canadians give a flying feck about their military. If we did, we would come up with the scratch to defend ourselves rather than to let "Dad" do it for us.

Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Just a troll .

Those two words are the extent of your contribution to this thread.

Who the hell is the troll, eh?
 
petros
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You.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

The Chinese who immigrated aren't Maoists. They got the f-ck out to get away from Communism.

But they're still Chinese with family back in China.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

You.

Of course.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

You.

Or I?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

But they're still Chinese with family back in China.

Right and German immigrants to Canada fought against the Kaiser and Hitler in large numbers.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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I know a couple of Chinese families who are Han Chinese by culture and ethnicity but they are Trinidadian by birth and up-bringing. It's kind of interesting. Imagine cool, laid-back, almost Jamaican-like Han Chinese.

Anyway, they are clearly Chinese and they know it but their connection to China are about the same as my connections to Britain after many generations of absence. I wouldn't doubt their loyalty to Canada for a second.
 
petros
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The best Chinese food I've ever had was in Lima Peru.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Right and German immigrants to Canada fought against the Kaiser and Hitler in large numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German...ance_to_Nazism

Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I know a couple of Chinese families who are Han Chinese by culture and ethnicity but they are Trinidadian by birth and up-bringing. It's kind of interesting. Imagine cool, laid-back, almost Jamaican-like Han Chinese.

Anyway, they are clearly Chinese and they know it but their connection to China are about the same as my connections to Britain after many generations of absence. I wouldn't doubt their loyalty to Canada for a second.

They may be loyal to Canada, but it would still be difficult for Chinese in China to accept China dropping bombs on Han Chinese en masse.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German...ance_to_Nazism



They may be loyal to Canada, but it would still be difficult for Chinese in China to accept China dropping bombs on Han Chinese en masse.

The Chinese killed something in the vicinity of 30 million Chinese during the Cultural Revolution. There is plenty of ruthlessness, there.
 

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