The Implications of Russia's New Weapon Systems


darkbeaver
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By Andrei Martyanov
March 16, 2018 " Information Clearing House " - During the August 2008 Russo-Georgian War, the operations of Russia’s 58th Army were termed as “coercion into peace”. It is an appropriate term once one recalls what truly was at stake then. Russians did win that war and, indeed, coerced Georgia into a much more peaceful mood. In Clausewitzian terms the Russians achieved the main object of the war by compelling the enemy to do Russia’s will. Russians, as the events of the last 19 years showed, have no illusions anymore about the possibility of any kind of reasonable civilized conduct from the combined West, least of all from the United States which still continues to reside in her bubble which insulates her from any outside voices of reason and peace. The American global track record of the last few decades does not require any special elaborations—it is a record of military and humanitarian disasters.



While Western punditry was discussing all those exotic and, no doubt, stunning weapon systems designed for the delivery of nuclear weapons to any point on the globe with very high precision, many true professionals were gasping for the air when the Dagger (Kinzhal) was unveiled. This is a complete game changer geopolitically, strategically, operationally, tactically and psychologically. It was known for some time now that Russian Navy was already deploying a revolutionary M=8 capable 3M22 Zircon anti-shipping missile. As impressive and virtually uninterceptable by any air defenses the Zircon is, the Kinzhal is simply shocking in its capabilities. This, most likely based on the famed Iskander airframe, M=10+ capable, highly maneuverable, aero-ballistic missile with a range of 2000 kilometers, carried by MiG-31BMs, just rewrote the book on naval warfare. It made large surface fleets and combatants obsolete. No, you are not misreading it. No air-defense or anti-missile system in the world today (maybe with the exception of the upcoming S-500 specifically designed for the interception of hyper-sonic targets) is capable of doing anything about it, and, most likely, it will take decades to find the antidote. More specifically, no modern or perspective air-defense system deployed today by any NATO fleet can intercept even a single missile with such characteristics. A salvo of 5-6 such missiles guarantees the destruction of any Carrier Battle Group or any other surface group, for that matter–all this without use of nuclear munitions.

You can smell the end of Uncle Sam all over the world.
 
Hoid
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The implications are that the military balance of power no longer exists and Russia is now in complete and total control of the world and everything in it.

IN reality Russia is badly failing state that is being slowly destroyed by a war against the Ukraine - who did not even have a military when they were attacked.

Nice job.
 
Murphy
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Did you learn that in history class? I'd love to see which references your teacher used.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post



More specifically, no modern or perspective air-defense system deployed today by any NATO fleet can intercept even a single missile with such characteristics. A salvo of 5-6 such missiles guarantees the destruction of any Carrier Battle Group or any other surface group, for that matter–all this without use of nuclear munitions.



That's all well and fine DB, but nothing, and I mean nothing strikes fear into the hearts of an opponent like the cruel weaponry employed by the Canadian military complex


 
Danbones
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Well, britain wanted to leave the EU...

Now this way that might happen: a hole bunch of little splashdown islands all over the north atlantic...

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post



That's all well and fine DB, but nothing, and I mean nothing strikes fear into the hearts of an opponent like the cruel weaponry employed by the Canadian military complex


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That missing bark was worse than the pointy bite of fresh hewn lumber

The other guy's surgeon will be pulling bark out of the other guy's faux hole for weeks.
 
petros
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So why the fear of NATO parking anti missile systems in E Europe?
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post


That missing bark was worse than the pointy bite of fresh hewn lumber

The other guy's surgeon will be pulling bark out of the other guy's faux hole for weeks.

Old Huron Indian military lore ....
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

So why the fear of NATO parking anti missile systems in E Europe?

These new Russian systems are a direct result of those stupid American emplacements. That have obviously backfired. The USA is and has been subject to contractor looting on a grand scale and they carry 25+ trillion in debt largely because of that systematic looting. Thier government is littered with dual citizens of dubvious loyaltys. They have been eaten from within, that bodies brain chewed away first and next the remaining guts. Revolution, hopefully political, is the favoured peacefull solution however the Americans must shovel out thier stables and that is a priority for thier continued existance. In my humble opinion. I hope they get on with it and win thier nation back from that corrupt criminal political underclass.
I have selfish reasons for wishing them well because Canadians have the same problem but it cannot be peacefully addressed from a Canada first perspective.
 
petros
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Show a picture of these new systems.
 
10larry
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The implications are that the military balance of power no longer exists and Russia is now in complete and total control of the world and everything in it.

IN reality Russia is badly failing state that is being slowly destroyed by a war against the Ukraine - who did not even have a military when they were attacked.

Nice job.

Geez, russia did not attack ukraine they simply spirited their crimean naval fleet from u.s. hands, cia is still smarting over this snafu hence western media plays the attack bs ad nauseam. To get an idea on real aggresion results check out iraq...that was an unprovoked attack.

Missile defence systems are expensive and short lived as weapon delivery systems evolve rapidly, an icbm that can rapidly pick its' way around these defences may not yet be possible but what american hawk will be willing to challenge putins' claim?
 
Gilgamesh
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post



By Andrei Martyanov
March 16, 2018 " Information Clearing House " - During the August 2008 Russo-Georgian War, the operations of Russia’s 58th Army were termed as “coercion into peace”. It is an appropriate term once one recalls what truly was at stake then. Russians did win that war and, indeed, coerced Georgia into a much more peaceful mood. In Clausewitzian terms the Russians achieved the main object of the war by compelling the enemy to do Russia’s will. Russians, as the events of the last 19 years showed, have no illusions anymore about the possibility of any kind of reasonable civilized conduct from the combined West, least of all from the United States which still continues to reside in her bubble which insulates her from any outside voices of reason and peace. The American global track record of the last few decades does not require any special elaborations—it is a record of military and humanitarian disasters.



While Western punditry was discussing all those exotic and, no doubt, stunning weapon systems designed for the delivery of nuclear weapons to any point on the globe with very high precision, many true professionals were gasping for the air when the Dagger (Kinzhal) was unveiled. This is a complete game changer geopolitically, strategically, operationally, tactically and psychologically. It was known for some time now that Russian Navy was already deploying a revolutionary M=8 capable 3M22 Zircon anti-shipping missile. As impressive and virtually uninterceptable by any air defenses the Zircon is, the Kinzhal is simply shocking in its capabilities. This, most likely based on the famed Iskander airframe, M=10+ capable, highly maneuverable, aero-ballistic missile with a range of 2000 kilometers, carried by MiG-31BMs, just rewrote the book on naval warfare. It made large surface fleets and combatants obsolete. No, you are not misreading it. No air-defense or anti-missile system in the world today (maybe with the exception of the upcoming S-500 specifically designed for the interception of hyper-sonic targets) is capable of doing anything about it, and, most likely, it will take decades to find the antidote. More specifically, no modern or perspective air-defense system deployed today by any NATO fleet can intercept even a single missile with such characteristics. A salvo of 5-6 such missiles guarantees the destruction of any Carrier Battle Group or any other surface group, for that matter–all this without use of nuclear munitions.

You can smell the end of Uncle Sam all over the world.

BS. Most of the Russian claims come from their SF magazines.
 
Curious Cdn
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This is one of Russia's newest weapons.

Russian troll farm also hit Canadian targets

One has to wonder which one of you (or ones) are part of this operation? Certainly a few of you have clearly been suckered in.
 
Hoid
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Oh there is no doubt that Russia is a huge nuisance in the e world.

A nation of chess obsessed peasants trying to make a few bucks doing anything they can.
 
Curious Cdn
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... lying weasels and fake news purveyors ...
 
10larry
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At some point in time cnn et al will hafta get over the clintons snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, in the interim putin is enjoying the drama. On one hand russia is credited with managing the u.s. election and on the other accused of committing a self implicating crime, appears illogical unless the diluted poison used was simply a message to other x2 spies.
Still the star of this spy melodrama is the brits boris, a natural talent buffoon.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by 10larry View Post

At some point in time cnn et al will hafta get over the clintons snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, in the interim putin is enjoying the drama. On one hand russia is credited with managing the u.s. election and on the other accused of committing a self implicating crime, appears illogical unless the diluted poison used was simply a message to other x2 spies.
Still the star of this spy melodrama is the brits boris, a natural talent buffoon.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Clintons. Try not to wander away from the subject (early on-set Altzheimer's?).
 
Hoid
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Everything is about the Clintons and has been since the 90s.

For instance NAFTA.

Nothing says Clinton like NAFTA.

That's why Trump has to repeal and replace it. He doesn't even know what the **** it is, but he has been talking about how bad it is for over 20 years. So they have to get rid of it.
 
Curious Cdn
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Clinton did "Irish Eyes"?

I thought that the Muslim guy from Kenya sang that.
 
10larry
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Clintons. Try not to wander away from the subject (early on-set Altzheimer's?).

It has everything to do with the clintons, the only possible way she could lose was if some wicked force interfered in her election, everything unsavoury to the west since has landed on the russian doorstep, tune cnn for proof.
This angst over a little diluted nerve agent is a tempest in a tea pot, north korea and nato partners facing off against each other is of far greater concern as is russia's alleged new doomsday weapons. Two unstable, egotistical guys like kim n' donald both with nuclear toys should worry folks some x2 agent brit displine not so much.
U.S. installing troops and weapons on russian borders and naval forces north and south sends a very clear signal to residents that they are in peril, appears putin invested in developing lethal counter measures.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by 10larry View Post

It has everything to do with the clintons, the only possible way she could lose was if some wicked force interfered in her election, everything unsavoury to the west since has landed on the russian doorstep, tune cnn for proof.
This angst over a little diluted nerve agent is a tempest in a tea pot, north korea and nato partners facing off against each other is of far greater concern as is russia's alleged new doomsday weapons. Two unstable, egotistical guys like kim n' donald both with nuclear toys should worry folks some x2 agent brit displine not so much.
U.S. installing troops and weapons on russian borders and naval forces north and south sends a very clear signal to residents that they are in peril, appears putin invested in developing lethal counter measures.

She is gone, gone, gone ... never to return. Stop deflecting from the real problem, which is a demagogue that the Americans invited into their leadership without doing proper due diligence.

Hillary's gone. Bye Hillary.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Show a picture of these new systems.

You,ll see the picture when the Russian weapons rain down on that Nazi pest hole Ukraine. Fukking stupidist little country in the world owned and operated by Washington and TelAviv.
 
petros
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Uh huh.

The Global Warming of weaponry.
 
10larry
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

She is gone, gone, gone ... never to return. Stop deflecting from the real problem, which is a demagogue that the Americans invited into their leadership without doing proper due diligence.

Hillary's gone. Bye Hillary.

She is not gone, bite the bullet and tune cnn do discover her drum is still beating, trump is simply the benefactor of russian cyber superiority, her statue at cnn hq will never suffer robert es' fate.
 
captain morgan
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Clinton needs to let go of these fantasies, come to the realization that her chance to become President are done and move on
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Clinton needs to let go of these fantasies, come to the realization that her chance to become President are done and move on

Hillary's in Italy, last I read. She's gone, soyanara, a bientot, vamoosed, left the theatre, as relevant as Taft.
 
captain morgan
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Fair enough, although I heard a sound bite from her recently saying something ridiculous that she lost the election because too many women voted according to how the husbands, boyfriends, etc were voting.

A pretty big slap in the face to women in general
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Fair enough, although I heard a sound bite from her recently saying something ridiculous that she lost the election because too many women voted according to how the husbands, boyfriends, etc were voting.

A pretty big slap in the face to women in general

Hillary is done like dinner, even with the Dems. She's a loser. She's too old, now. She comes with a wagon train of nasty baggage. She's almost as reviled as Trump.

Gonzo.

Never to return (except for deflection purposes)
 
Hoid
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She was the candidate a year ago.

Don't really see who has come up since then to replace her.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Hillary is done like dinner, even with the Dems. She's a loser. She's too old, now. She comes with a wagon train of nasty baggage. She's almost as reviled as Trump.

Gonzo.

Never to return (except for deflection purposes)

Gotta agree.

I can see the Dems using Clinton as their excuse-in-perpetuity whenever they feel the need to weasel out of something.

I expect that the Reps will treat Trump in the same manner at some point in the future when it is convenient and serves their purposes.

... No doubt, politicians have (rightfully) earned their reputation as the most reviled segment of our society
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Gotta agree.

I can see the Dems using Clinton as their excuse-in-perpetuity whenever they feel the need to weasel out of something.

I expect that the Reps will treat Trump in the same manner at some point in the future when it is convenient and serves their purposes
.

... No doubt, politicians have (rightfully) earned their reputation as the most reviled segment of our society

...probably the day after Sessions sacks Meuller followed by Meuller dropping "the Bomb".

It could happen next week.