Typical person against $15 minimum wage


HarperCons
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pgs
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Classy , welcome back .
 
Walter
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Biggest Hike In Ontario’s Restaurant Prices In Over 25 Years. The Reason: Minimum Wage Hike.
 
Danbones
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Of course it gets passed on to the consumer. Who in the name of the great pumpkin would think that wasn't going to happen?

Just the vote buyers?

Guess whose money they just bought those votes with, and guess how many restaurants will be out of business within two years from now, and guess how many will now lose their jobs?
 
OpposingDigit
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Anybody who owns a business and is unable to pay a living wage obviously has a failed business plan and should be shut down immediately.
 
Danbones
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I can already see you don't know squat about the restaurant and bar business do you?

It's not what they pay, it's what they charge, and part of a pay is better then no pay at all.
Not to mention the TAXES. Restaurants and similar business employees rely on TIPS.

Because now tips will dry up, and the government gets a higher employer pay out, and a higher employee tax bite, and more sales taxes, and the bennies will also disappear...etc

Nobody has any money, that's why Canada has the highest personal debt in the world.

So they just SCREWED EVERYBODY just to buy votes...for what will be nothing in the end.
Last edited by Danbones; Feb 23rd, 2018 at 09:51 PM..
 
WLDB
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I’m well above minimum wage and my debt is steadily shrinking. Hell, my annual raise was actually a lot higher as a result of the minimum wage hike. I’m doing just fine.

As for small businesses - honestly, I don’t care. I don’t work for one and never have.
 
Danbones
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You spend any money in them?

there goes your raise.

It went to buy votes.
 
Hoid
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prices up 1.9 %

lol
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

prices up 1.9 %

lol

THis month.
 
Hoid
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Earth shaking.
 
HarperCons
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Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Of course it gets passed on to the consumer. Who in the name of the great pumpkin would think that wasn't going to happen?

Just the vote buyers?

Guess whose money they just bought those votes with, and guess how many restaurants will be out of business within two years from now, and guess how many will now lose their jobs?

"Of course it gets passed on to the consumer"

so what you're saying is, it's more important for you to save 5-10 cents on a burger than it is for the workers to receive an adequate livable wage?
 
White_Unifier
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Who didn't see that coming? The dog chasing its tail.

Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

"Of course it gets passed on to the consumer"

so what you're saying is, it's more important for you to save 5-10 cents on a burger than it is for the workers to receive an adequate livable wage?

You do realize that minimum-wage workers will pay that extra 5-10 cents too right, and that's on each burger they buy and the price for everything else is inflated too right? So what's the point? That's just inflation and if inflation were a tax, it would be the most regressive of them all.
Last edited by White_Unifier; May 12th, 2018 at 09:28 AM..
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Who didn't see that coming.


Low information voters never saw it coming
 
HarperCons
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Who didn't see that coming. The dog chasing its tail.



You do realize that the workers will pay that extra 5-10 cents to right, and that's on each burger they buy and the price for everything else is inflated too right? So what's the point? That's just inflation and if inflation were a tax, it would be the most regressive of them all.

hey, kill yourself scum
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

hey, kill yourself scum

How compassionate of you. I assume that your support for the minimum wage stems from compassion, right? So is your concern for actually helping the poor or just giving the impression that you're helping the poor while legislating the most unskilled workers into unemployment?

I do want to help the poor, and that's precisely why I oppose the minimum wage.

If we want to truly help the poor, we need to think about it rationally.

One positive step towards helping the poor would be to adopt an effective exclusion policy like Singapore has:
https://www.ncpg.org.sg/en/Pages/Dea...spx?category=2

Another step would be to introduce an officially recommended minimum wage that would allow any person who earns less than that to apply for social assistance and then quit their job or go to part time once they start any government-funded trades or professional education. One reason they may have no money may be due to addiction. An effective self-exclusion policy could help with that. Another reason might have to do with lack of education. Upgrading their skills might help with that. That's what we call helping the poor. Please explain to me how legislating an unskilled worker out of the workforce helps him in any way.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Low information voters never saw it coming

I wonder if Wynne saw it coming. If she didn't, then at least she has the virtue of just being ignorant but caring. If she did see it coming and was still willing to throw unskilled workers under the bus for a few votes, then that would tell me something totally different. I like to give the benefit of the doubt so will assume that she just sincerely believed that raising the minimum wage actually would help the poor.
Last edited by White_Unifier; May 12th, 2018 at 09:30 AM..
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

"Of course it gets passed on to the consumer"

so what you're saying is, it's more important for you to save 5-10 cents on a burger than it is for the workers to receive an adequate livable wage?

First off minimum wage was never intended to raise families on. Then there is the trickle up effect where everyone now making $11-15 will rightfully demand a simular raise and so on up the line. The upshot is that the now $15 worker will be no better off because of the massive increase in inflation.SO if you can't live on mimimum wage go back to school and get a trade or something. Or go get a government job and you can still be totally useless and non productive but make $100G a year.Plus a solid gold benefits package.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

hey, kill yourself scum

By the way, can you explain how my being a scum (if indeed I am a scum) relates to the wisdom of the minimum-wage increase? Non-sequitur and ad-hominem much?
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I wonder if Wynne saw it coming. If she didn't, then at least she has the virtue of just being ignorant but caring. If she did see it coming and was still willing to throw unskilled workers under the bus for a few votes, then that would tell me something totally different. I like to give the benefit of the doubt so will assume that she just sincerely believed that raising the minimum wage actually would help the poor.


Wynne was advised by her own inner circle of the ramifications.

With this in mind, she did not do this out of compassion, but rather to get reelected regardless of the hardships that she'd heap on the very demographic that she claims to help
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

hey, kill yourself scum

Good argument . You would be a bundle of joy to party with .
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

First off minimum wage was never intended to raise families on. Then there is the trickle up effect where everyone now making $11-15 will rightfully demand a simular raise and so on up the line. The upshot is that the now $15 worker will be no better off because of the massive increase in inflation.SO if you can't live on mimimum wage go back to school and get a trade or something. Or go get a government job and you can still be totally useless and non productive but make $100G a year.Plus a solid gold benefits package.

I have a piece of news here that will flabbergast most poster. The amount of the minimum wage irrelevant, the fact is that it IS the minimum wage (be it $15 an hour or $115 an hour) will ensure those receiving it will never escape poverty. I've watched that phenomenon since the 50s.
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Wynne was advised by her own inner circle of the ramifications.

With this in mind, she did not do this out of compassion, but rather to get reelected regardless of the hardships that she'd heap on the very demographic that she claims to help

Nah , it raised tax revenue to the provincial coffers without raising taxes is why she did it .
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Nah , it raised tax revenue to the provincial coffers without raising taxes is why she did it .

So what you're saying is that Wynne's realmotive was to raise the tax bracket on the poorest Ontarians. Ouch.
 
pgs
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

So what you're saying is that Wynne's realmotive was to raise the tax bracket on the poorest Ontarians. Ouch.

And payroll taxes on employers .
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

And payroll taxes on employers .

Which further deprives them of the ability to increase their workers' wages.

Germany has co-determination laws that require half of a large corporation's board of directors to be elected by the workers, though the chairman is always elected by the shareholders and holds the tie-breaking vote. Sweden has similar laws. I don't know if Germany has a minimum wage or not, but I know Sweden doesn't, and in Sweden, workers have been known in the past to vote their wages downward in tough economic times, something that's unimaginable in Canada.

There are many ways to help the poor, but raising the minimum wage is not one of them. A legally-recommended minimum wage below which a person could apply for social assistance without penalty could make sense. We could even contemplate a negative income tax (as long as it's affordable of course, and I'm in two minds about that), but a mandatory minimum wage hurts the very people it's supposed to help.

But I'm just scum, so what do I know? Right, HarperCons?
Last edited by White_Unifier; May 12th, 2018 at 10:29 AM..
 
Danbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

"Of course it gets passed on to the consumer"

so what you're saying is, it's more important for you to save 5-10 cents on a burger than it is for the workers to receive an adequate livable wage?

It's more important that I don't pay their welfare.

A major restaurant in out area just closed, and staffing was the cause, so there, I hope YOU like paying welfare to people who could be working.

Henry's fish and chips restaurant, located on Georgian Bay near San Souci Island, will not open its doors for its 45th season due to a lack of qualified personnel. - Metroland/File Photo
https://www.parrysound.com/news-stor...s-this-summer/



You don't think there is a shortage of cooks and waitresses do you?
( Henry's employed about 40 staff, plus the draw spinoffs to the surrounding businesses.)
Last edited by Danbones; May 14th, 2018 at 02:39 AM..
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by OpposingDigit View Post

Anybody who owns a business and is unable to pay a living wage obviously has a failed business plan and should be shut down immediately.

Riiight. So pretty much every restaurant should be shut down then? Restaurants operate around a 5% profit margin. Just in case you're mathematically challenged, to put it in the simplest terms, for every $100 in sales a restaurant does, they make about $5 profit. Your solution; Shut 'em down.

You remind me of the union that whined about how foreign sailors working ships plying the St. Lawrence/Great Lakes were only getting $2-$3/hr. Their proposed solution was to replace those crews with Canadian sailors once they reach the St. Lawrence for the remainder of the trip. So basically, they decided that $2-$3/hr was such an injustice, their proposal was to take that away from them and make them sit around some place not making any money while they wait for their ship to make its rounds.
 
White_Unifier
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In the midst of a trade war, it might be wise to scrap the minimum wage.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

In the midst of a trade war, it might be wise to scrap the minimum wage.

Best idea I've heard today. Leave the wages up to the market place. Just the fact a wage is designated as "minimum" is a life sentence of poverty for anyone drawing it, be it $15, $150 or $1500 as whatever it is prices will fall in line very quickly. We've watched this shit for 70 years.
 
Hoid
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:$4.5 billion for a pipe line nobody wants is probably the sort of thing we should stay away from during trade wars
 

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