Technological Advances Could kill 5 Million Jobs By 2020


MHz
#61
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When baby Boomers retire- they will simply NOT be replaced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You a time-traveler?
 
spilledthebeer
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#62
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Only 52% of fast food workers need government assistance.
https://www.eater.com/2015/4/13/8403...d-stamps-study
MAGA
Also I agree that the caliber of jobs on offer is getting lower and lower.

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Way to think there Hoid- you are talking in circles faster than usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mumble about some jobs lost and new jobs created as if this was actually happening!!!!!!!!!!

Which of course it IS NOT HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And then you whine about the low quality of jobs being created- well at least you got THAT PART RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
taxslave
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#63
Within 10 years fat food mcjobs will mostly be replaced by machines run by computer. already doing it for truck drivers.
However I see lots of jobs being created for technicians to repair the computers and the damage done when they don't do as programed.
 
captain morgan
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#64
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Within 10 years fat food mcjobs will mostly be replaced by machines run by computer. already doing it for truck drivers.


Rotten Ronnies already have self-serve kiosks where you can order and pay... Those cashier jobs are vanished


Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

However I see lots of jobs being created for technicians to repair the computers and the damage done when they don't do as programed.


Cheaper to simply treat the computer as disposable and install a new one each time
 
Bar Sinister
#65
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

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Way to think there Hoid- you are talking in circles faster than usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mumble about some jobs lost and new jobs created as if this was actually happening!!!!!!!!!!

Which of course it IS NOT HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And then you whine about the low quality of jobs being created- well at least you got THAT PART RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!




Wow, A Spilled post that is less that a full page. I'll actually read it; not that it makes much sense.
 
spilledthebeer
#66
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Rotten Ronnies already have self-serve kiosks where you can order and pay... Those cashier jobs are vanished





Cheaper to simply treat the computer as disposable and install a new one each time


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Aint that the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Check out the wage offered to a typical computer repair person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then recognize that self driving vehicles and other machinery that has the capacity to "interact" with the public in ways that might be dangerous WILL NOT BE TOLERATED UNLESS THEY ARE EXTREMELY RELIABLE- meaning not much need for repairs!!!!!!!!!!!!


In fact self driving vehicles will NOT be acceptable in large numbers on public roads UNTIL they have the capacity for FULL SELF DIAGNOSIS AND REPAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Having a self driving machine that can recognize it has a problem is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can you imagine the trouble that would come from a self driving 5 tonne truck recognizing it has a software problem and it then SHUTS DOWN OPERATION and comes to a safe stop- in the middle lane of 401- AT RUSH HOUR??????????????



Talking about computer repair jobs opening up is just LIE-beral speak designed to reassure that we are NOT facing LIE-beral orchestrated fiscal catastrophe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals are simply trying to paint our future with delusional Sunny Ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
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#67
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

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Aint that the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Check out the wage offered to a typical computer repair person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then recognize that self driving vehicles and other machinery that has the capacity to "interact" with the public in ways that might be dangerous WILL NOT BE TOLERATED UNLESS THEY ARE EXTREMELY RELIABLE- meaning not much need for repairs!!!!!!!!!!!!


In fact self driving vehicles will NOT be acceptable in large numbers on public roads UNTIL they have the capacity for FULL SELF DIAGNOSIS AND REPAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Having a self driving machine that can recognize it has a problem is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can you imagine the trouble that would come from a self driving 5 tonne truck recognizing it has a software problem and it then SHUTS DOWN OPERATION and comes to a safe stop- in the middle lane of 401- AT RUSH HOUR??????????????



Talking about computer repair jobs opening up is just LIE-beral speak designed to reassure that we are NOT facing LIE-beral orchestrated fiscal catastrophe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals are simply trying to paint our future with delusional Sunny Ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Here is an article illustrating that LIE-berals are giving us utterly FAKE NEWS about our economy. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Toronto food bank usage at recession levels.

THE CANADIAN PRESS. FIRST POSTED: MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 2017 09:55 AM EDT | UPDATED: MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 2017 04:28 PM EDT

TORONTO - Food bank visits in Canada’s most populous city are back up to levels seen after the last recession hit the country, with a spike in the number of seniors accessing their services in the last year, according to a report released Monday.

The Daily Bread Food Bank’s annual report shows that there were nearly one million food bank visits in Toronto between April last year and March this year. The figure is the highest number in the city since 2010, which is when the organization says the effects of the 2008 recession hit residents the hardest.

It also says people are relying on food banks longer than before with the average length increasing to 24 months in 2017, up from 12 months in 2010.

The numbers suggest a state of affairs that is not being captured by standard economic indicators, the food bank said.

(LIE-beral calculations on a host of things are deliberately skewed! For instance it was LIE-beral Jean Chretien who changed how full time work was measured- previously you were working `full time` if you had 40 hours per week- but to make the unemployment numbers look better LIE-berals decided you would be `fully employed` if you had 28 hours of work- and too bad if you cannot live on that! LIE-beral Chretien also monkeyed with rules for access to unemployment insurance thus allowing some people to fall off the govt radar and not be counted. LIE-beral claims regarding our economy are as suspect as their assurances that our massive debt is not a problem!)

“While we’re having this on-paper economic prosperity, we’re seeing many people who are falling out of the labour market due to age or disability or people who are struggling within the labour market because of the instability of the work that they’re getting,” said Richard Matern, Daily Bread’s director of research and communications.

(LIE-berals do Not want to discuss the fact that of those who retire voluntarily before age 65- two thirds are civil service Hogs with those fabulous pensions that are breaking our economy! Private sector simply cannot afford to retire in the luxury that Hogs wallow in! With the added bonus that LIE-berals INSIST that you retired voluntarily if you took the buy out from your collapsing industry because the buy out was better than staying on the job for another 6 months and then being thrown out with NOTHING!)

(LIE-berals completely ignore the tens of thousands of Cdns wh could anc would and quite often NEED to work- if only they could find a job in our debauched and over taxed economy! In an effort to handle their gross debts, LIE-berals have reduced interest rates to record lows and thus screwed millions of Cdns who are trying to live on meagre little pensions with utterly inadequate returns on investment that simply do NOT cover massive LIE-beral tax increases on EVERYTHING! It is the LIE-beral Carbon crap and trade scam that is behind much of the fiscal trouble and it is LIE-beral desire to cling to power at any price by buying Hog votes that is the other major economy killer!)

Though people 65 and over make up a relatively small proportion of food bank users, they have become the fastest-rising age group of clients, the report says. The number of seniors accessing food banks has gone up nearly 27 per cent since last year, compared with other age groups which have shown an increase between 14 and 18 per cent, it says.

(Greedy LIE-berals are willing to sneer at and dismiss poverty stricken seniors because LIE-berals regard them as sloppy and careless as they should have saved more for their old age- that LIE-berals have taxed Cdns so heavily that its not possible to save any significant pile of pennies is not understood by greedy LIE-berals! Nor do LIE-berals wish to discuss the massive flood of Hog pension money- all of it borrowed- and which ordinary people MUST pay back for entitled Hogs- that is gobbling up all decent investments! Hog pension fund managers with billions of dollars under their control have shoved aside ordinary Cdns trying to invest their pennies!)

“What we saw is what happens when there’s a group that’s on a fixed income and is particularly vulnerable to rising costs like we saw in Toronto in the areas of housing and in food, in certain cases,” Matern said.

“Many seniors, the most common reason that they’ve had to skip food for, they say, is rent and also prescription drugs,” he said.

(LIE-berals do not understand why stupid old folks do not move out of the city to some small town where its cheaper to live. LIE-berals forget that there is NO public transit in most towns in Canada and often no hospital either thanks to LIE-beral `economies` in health care either so as soon as a senior becomes ill an extended and costly trip BACK to the city and its health services is required! With the added bonus that moving away from the city means leaving behind friends and family to go into relative isolation out in the woods!)

“So many seniors who are of course less likely to be getting support from other sources or who are less likely to be able to get outside sources of income such as employment and also have greater health-care needs are more vulnerable to these types of changes in the economy around inflation.”

Wanda Morris, vice-president of advocacy for CARP, formerly known as the Canadian Association for Retired Persons, said the rise in food bank use among seniors is “a huge concern.”

One factor may be that seniors aren’t getting all the support they are entitled to, she said, particularly through the Guaranteed Income Supplement program.

Low-income seniors are eligible for the program if they receive Old Age Security, have an annual income below a specific threshold and have lived in Canada at least 10 years. But research shows thousands of seniors who qualify aren’t claiming it, Morris said.

“Part of the problem isn’t that there isn’t a program, it’s how do we get our most vulnerable seniors to take advantage of what is available for them,” she said, noting that many seniors don’t have internet access.

(OH GREAT! Who thinks it is a good idea for some senior to try to use a highly complex computer access system to access govt money- when they barely know how to turn the gizmo ON? Seniors are ALREADY prime target for scammers and hackers- and who wants to bet that there will be an explosion of fraud if seniors are encouraged to get on the net often with their banking and pension information? And there is ANOTHER REASON not to move to a small town- all govt service offices are in the big city- meaning you have to come back to the city to deal with them! AS seniors get more frail- small town life looks increasingly like a trap they cannot escape from without losing their shirts!)

(Seniors are also less than enthusiastic about selling their long time home and moving into cheaper rental accommodation as they are more likely to be exposed there to crime and violence, to bed bugs and cock roaches, to be badly in-convenienced when elevators fail and trap them without food or medication on the eight floor, to be stuck in the cold when heating systems or power fail for what may be weeks on end. In short, seniors figure they are better off to stay in their homes- the ones that fuzzy minded LIE-berals such as Mel Lastman WANT THEM OUT OF- for HIS convenience!)

She said housing costs are also an issue for people on a fixed income.

Daily Bread said its findings “reinforce the observation that the current system of income support is inadequate to deal with the labour market, economic realities and an aging population.”

(Hydro prices up 10- 20 percent per year, water rates up 5- 9 percent per year, food up 20 percent per year, property taxes up 2-3 percent per year- and with old age pension and supplements virtually FROZEN- and LIE-berals find it hard to understand why `stupid` seniors are having a difficult time!)

Two government initiatives — one provincial, one federal — may help alleviate the strain on low-income residents, Matern said.

Ontario’s basic income pilot project is being rolled out in several municipalities, including Hamilton and Thunder Bay, Ont., in an effort to reduce poverty. The federal government, meanwhile, is working on a national housing strategy meant to increase access to affordable homes.

(OH LIE-berals DO SO ENJOY making grand announcements that do not pan out- its just LIE-berals re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic! Its all bait and switch- money in one pocket and back out the other- a game LIE-berals long ago perfected!)

Matern said the food bank is asking Ottawa to ensure the strategy includes a portable housing benefit that would be given to tenants to help cover their rent.

(OH- a portable housing benefit? NO GOOD! That would mean NEW money for old folks- something LIE-berals will NOT offer as they will need ALL their gravy for Hog raises and for their new illegal friends flooding across our borders!)

“If that’s implemented, it would have a huge impact on helping to address the need,” he said.

The report is based on in-person surveys of more than 1,400 food bank clients and visit data from food banks across the city.
 
taxslave
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#68
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

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Aint that the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check out the wage offered to a typical computer repair person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And then recognize that self driving vehicles and other machinery that has the capacity to "interact" with the public in ways that might be dangerous WILL NOT BE TOLERATED UNLESS THEY ARE EXTREMELY RELIABLE- meaning not much need for repairs!!!!!!!!!!!!
In fact self driving vehicles will NOT be acceptable in large numbers on public roads UNTIL they have the capacity for FULL SELF DIAGNOSIS AND REPAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having a self driving machine that can recognize it has a problem is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you imagine the trouble that would come from a self driving 5 tonne truck recognizing it has a software problem and it then SHUTS DOWN OPERATION and comes to a safe stop- in the middle lane of 401- AT RUSH HOUR??????????????
Talking about computer repair jobs opening up is just LIE-beral speak designed to reassure that we are NOT facing LIE-beral orchestrated fiscal catastrophe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals are simply trying to paint our future with delusional Sunny Ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I work on some very hitech mining equipment and they pay us very well to keep it running , preferably without operators which some is capable of doing.
 
petros
#69
Most mining equipment is already remote control. Operators sit in nice comfy chairs at surface working equipment at depth and never get dirty.
 
MHz
#70
The odds are when you started your 'career' if a component of a device quit working you removed it and repaired it with a rebuild kit that cost less than $100. Today it is a device with modular components and it is remove and replace and the components are made or rebuilt in factories run by bots.
The odds are also high that when a machine has a minor breakdown a 'kit' is installed that replaces all 'hoses' just to prevent downtime when it is part of an assembly line.
The hours you lose not rebuilding is money out of your pocket yet you probably forked out a lot of money learning things you do not need is your daily activities. With bots set to increase your 'down-time' it is a question if you sit on the couch at home and entertain yourself or you have enough money to take up a hobby or become a globe trotting tourist to help support that industry.

Capitalism would suggest 300M people is all they can manage so the rest should die in unforeseen natural disasters that see them die in a famine, many small events.
Socialism creates carers for some people just due 7B people need to be 'entertained' because in their leisure activities the biggest social development strides are made. Society based on how well off the poorest are will always last longer than one that uses the poor to support a lifestyle only a few get to experience.
 
MHz
#71
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Most mining equipment is already remote control. Operators sit in nice comfy chairs at surface working equipment at depth and never get dirty.

Now put the combine pilots in similar chairs and Canada could have 100 diamond mines operating in the far north with just a few people on site. The same power-plants used on aircraft carriers could be used at each mine. Parts would be the supplies needed rather than food for lots of people.
Quads set up as bots might be how human prospectors explore parcels of land they have a lease on. Metal detectors on skies in the winter would have the summer to go over the 'hits' as well take samples. Drop off supplies in the winter when the ground is solid and if those are all 'small businesses' money is being made while the land gets fully explored for 'treasures'.
Russia has the end of the Atlantic Rift as being where 'primordial ooze' is at the surface. In Canada the far north is 'old crust' and Hudson Bay would be where the same 'ooze' is found.
The tailings from the Yukon gold dredges could be done using 21st century devices and the land would be returned to a state that allowed tourism as well as easy access to spots where new gold would be deposited. The 5%/year profit is there after 30 years and people are interested in 500% profit per year and fuk the long term aspect. If that doesn't change all the other changes are a smoke-screen.
 
taxslave
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#72
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Most mining equipment is already remote control. Operators sit in nice comfy chairs at surface working equipment at depth and never get dirty.

Except for the mechanics.
 
MHz
#73
A 'mechanic' should be able to take the components apart and put them back together and not have any parts left over. Crane safety is what mechanics today learn.
Mechanics also sit around a lot more than they used to so it is a shrinking group.
 
spilledthebeer
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#74
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

A 'mechanic' should be able to take the components apart and put them back together and not have any parts left over. Crane safety is what mechanics today learn.
Mechanics also sit around a lot more than they used to so it is a shrinking group.


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


DELUSIONAL LIE-berals BLATHERING about automated diamond mines in northern Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Never mind that the market for diamonds is already saturated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And never mind that the diamonds from Cdn North are industrial grade and suitable only for use in cutting tools- especially oil rig drill bits and cutting wheels for steel fabrication and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And never mind that LIE-berals sare doing their level best to KILL the Cdn oil patch- which would also kill off the main user of Cdn diamonds!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course LIE-berals are also struggling to kill the car industry and if they succeed at that- then there goes ANOTHER MAJOR user of Cdn diamonds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But that is a LIE-beral for you- bait and switch in all things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



AS for automated mining machinery- GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Did you DORKS NOT NOTICE it has a top speed of about 5 mph??????????????????


And that it is CONFINED to a solid rock TUNNEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



With NO OTHER traffic to contend with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the only pedestrians who will approach the machine are controllers and mcehanics- WHO TURNED IT OFF FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Poor delusional LIE-berals- trying to make the world BEND in their direction in defiance of reason and logic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
taxslave
#75
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
DELUSIONAL LIE-berals BLATHERING about automated diamond mines in northern Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never mind that the market for diamonds is already saturated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And never mind that the diamonds from Cdn North are industrial grade and suitable only for use in cutting tools- especially oil rig drill bits and cutting wheels for steel fabrication and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And never mind that LIE-berals sare doing their level best to KILL the Cdn oil patch- which would also kill off the main user of Cdn diamonds!!!!!!!!!!!
And of course LIE-berals are also struggling to kill the car industry and if they succeed at that- then there goes ANOTHER MAJOR user of Cdn diamonds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But that is a LIE-beral for you- bait and switch in all things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AS for automated mining machinery- GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you DORKS NOT NOTICE it has a top speed of about 5 mph??????????????????
And that it is CONFINED to a solid rock TUNNEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With NO OTHER traffic to contend with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the only pedestrians who will approach the machine are controllers and mcehanics- WHO TURNED IT OFF FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poor delusional LIE-berals- trying to make the world BEND in their direction in defiance of reason and logic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hate to burst your ubble but many surface mines are using automous trucks as well.
 
spilledthebeer
#76
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Hate to burst your ubble but many surface mines are using automous trucks as well.


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


Your argument about autonomous trucks and other machinery just POPPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Surface mines have much the same deal as those underground- the machinery operates at LOW SPEED within tight geographical parameters- and with NO humans up close while the machinery is running!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Autonomous machines run under VERY DIFFERENT circumstances than things like self driving cars and buses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And one has only to look at the Presto card readers operated by Toronto Transit to recognize the limitations of large scale automation!!!!!!!!!!!


And in related news- E-health is still GOING STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


E-health is STILL gobbling up public money in a costly and so far FAILED attempt to build a province wide health record system!!!!!


E-health is hampered by all the usual LIE- beral problems- first- as civil service union Hogs they aint too bright!!!!!!!!!!


Second- they are not nearly so bright as the HACKERS they are trying to keep out of their not ready for prime time computer system!


AS an example of how vulnerable everything is in Canada to hackers- BOTH Town of Midland and Town of Wasaga Beach paid out millions of dollars to hackers to REGAIN CONTROL of govt computers!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Automation IS COMING- but it will have LIMITS for the forseeable future- head over to your local Home Depot and look at the 4 automated check out cashier machines -being monitored by one or two human employees!!!!!!!!

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taxslave
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#77
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

A 'mechanic' should be able to take the components apart and put them back together and not have any parts left over. Crane safety is what mechanics today learn.
Mechanics also sit around a lot more than they used to so it is a shrinking group.

ROFLMFAO mechanics are busier than ever trying to figure out which electronic gizmo is not working as advertised and looking for a broken idiot light wire that just shut a million dollar machine down.