Is Canada ready for the coming electric vehicle revolution?


Hoid
#961
Wasn't Tesla offering free access for life to their Super Chargers?

(if you missed that deal the rule of thumb they have been using is about $540 US to run a EV 15K miles a year)
 
JLM
+1
#962
I don't understand the obsession with electricity. We have billions of bushels of oil and gas, but we've about run out of rivers to dam and acreage for habitat. People have to smarten up and quit swallowing this G.W. bull shit.
 
Hoid
#963
indeed you do not understand.

The money that EV save is really secondary to the gas they do not burn. That is why people want them.

So while you are free to believe whatever you like please extend the same courtesy to the thousands of people who want to switch to EVs and stop burning gas,

It doesn't seem like that should be that big a deal for you.
 
petros
#964
What will replace taxes lost from gasoline?

Will paying 70 cents a kWh to charge up float your boat?
 
Hoid
#965
What will replace taxes paid on gasoline?

How about taxes paid on whatever else people spend that money on?

And once again the main thing about the EV is not so much the money savings it is the gas that is not burned and the 0 emissions.
 
captain morgan
+1
#966
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The performance is what is required in order to compete against similar vehicles.

If you want to compete in the luxury/sport market you need a fast car.

Tesla has one.

It's fast in the very short term, but has no legs for distance at those speeds.

People in the luxury car market aren't looking for a 1/4 mile car

Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

I have yet to see one poster in this forum touting electric cars, who actually own and drives one!
Bloody hypocrites all......
Do as I say not as I do preachers......

Funny how that works

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

What will replace taxes paid on gasoline?

How about taxes paid on whatever else people spend that money on?

Already being done


Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

And once again the main thing about the EV is not so much the money savings it is the gas that is not burned and the 0 emissions.

Construction of the EVs in addition to the large resources required to mine the rare earth's for the batteries offset any gains made on '0' emissions.

On that note, the expended batteries can only be recycled so far prior to them being useless, leaving a cocktail of toxic components and heavy metals to be buried in landfills across the globe.

.... Hardly the eco friendly circumstance that is being advertised
 
Hoid
#967
Fast but no legs?

I had a 400 buick that could eat a tank of gas in about a hour and a half if you wanted.
 
MHz
#968
Sounds like you got 12MPG and it didn't matter if you were sitting at the lights or hauling ass down an open road.
 
Hoid
#969
The myth that ev's have no legs is just that. A myth.
 
MHz
#970
To be really good they need a 2cyl pull behind genset for mountain travel.
 
JLM
#971
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

indeed you do not understand.

The money that EV save is really secondary to the gas they do not burn. That is why people want them.

So while you are free to believe whatever you like please extend the same courtesy to the thousands of people who want to switch to EVs and stop burning gas,

It doesn't seem like that should be that big a deal for you.


What I don't understand is your obsession to switch from the energy we have to the one we don't have!
 
Hoid
#972
It is quite a puzzle.
 
JLM
#973
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

It is quite a puzzle.


For you I guess, for me it's a no brainer! I fully agree with starting to get things in place ready for a switch over 100 years from now, short of damming up rivers and confusing fish. Let's at least get some use out of the $billions of dollars we have invested in equipment for extracting and transporting oil before we throw it on the scrap pile. How many man years do we have invested in training alone for participating in the industry? Give it some thought and quit spewing nonsense!
 
Hoid
#974
trillions of dollars have already been made on carbon fuels.

how much is enough?
 
captain morgan
+1
#975
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Fast but no legs?

I had a 400 buick that could eat a tank of gas in about a hour and a half if you wanted.


I had a 9 volt battery that only worked for a few hours once


Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The myth that ev's have no legs is just that. A myth.


Prove it.


Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

trillions of dollars have already been made on carbon fuels.

how much is enough?

Stop using them
 
spilledthebeer
#976
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Tesla has been selling Roasters for 10 years


Yes- and those Tesla roadsters are SO VERY POPULAR I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE ON ANY TORONTO ROAD!!!!!


LIE-berals only support electric TOY cars because of the grvy they hope to skim off from selling their mouldy green electricity to us at HUGE PROFITS!!!!


LIE-berals are trying to make our electrical system over into a vast gravy generating giant monopoly to compete with and destroy the oil industry!!!!


LIE-berals are trying to make their personal greed into a national virtue!!!!


LIE-beral boast of the road ripping acceleration of their electric Toy cars while at the same time Toronto City Council discusses REDUCING speed limits on city streets to thirty kilometers per hour!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral logic is like a dizzy puppy trying to catch its own tail!!!!!!
 
hifigadget
#977
Major market shift

While electric vehicles are becoming increasingly popular in urban centers like Vancouver and Victoria, much of rural B.C. still has concerns.

Michelle Mungall, provincial energy minister and MLA for Nelson-Creston, says electric vehicles will be an important part of reducing B.C.'s carbon emissions. But she says her constituents have concerns about the adoption of new technology when their cars are such essential lifelines.
 
spilledthebeer
#978
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

trillions of dollars have already been made on carbon fuels.

how much is enough?


How much oil revenue is enough?


Here is a better and BIGGER QUESTION:



How much gravy does it take to supply the LIE-beral list of entitlements?


 
Hoid
#979
Big week in e vehicle history.
Volvo unveils the future of trucking - the cabless self driving Vera
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbap...d/#3565b79a436

While BMW unveils their flagship e vehicle morphed form car to SUV
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-of-2021-debut
 
Hoid
#980
Cadillac decided this week to shit can its diesel development in favor of fully electric.

The future is electric.
 
Hoid
#981
Also this week the Saudis throw a billion dollars into Lucid motors - Teslas main competition.
 
spilledthebeer
#982
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Also this week the Saudis throw a billion dollars into Lucid motors - Teslas main competition.


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


Hoid proves there is a SUCKER born every minute- or at least HE HOPES there is- so he can sell his electric TOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Desperate govts with more borrowed money than brains are trying to BUY jobs by creating an ARTIFICIAL MARKET for electric TOY vehicles!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sadly- the bankrupt City of Toronto has jumped onto the electric toy bus market for THE THIRD TIME!!!!!


But we wont know the results of this latest Toronto bus trial till AFTER the municipal election! Assuming Toronto gets its act together and actually HOLDS an election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course after being BURNED TWICE in the past- Toronto was smart enough NOT to use its own money for this latest test of electric toy vehicles- this time around Toronto is using mostly federal money offered by Our idiot Boy Justin!!!!!!!!!!!!


Toronto city council HAPPILY WASTES money from other levels of govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



As for politicians putting money into companies OTHER than Tesla.......gee......what a surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With Elon Musk apparently having some sort of public mental break down and raving about taking his nearly bankrupt Tesla Motors private.....without ANY CLUE where to get the money!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course it looks like Musk is going to have his head served up on a platter for publicly referring to a British diver a a pedofile- apparently WITHOUT ANY PROOF!!!!!


All Hoid has done is to graphically illustrate how DESPERATE LIE-beral govt is to PRETEND to be doing something about climate change and jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral govt HAS NO PLAN to do anything useful or effective about either the environment or the economy!!!!!!!!!!!!


ALL LIE-beral policy is SMOKE AND MIRRORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They have BORROWED HUGE sums of money to BRIBE vehicle makers to tinker with electric TOYS....and then try to snow us with claims electric TOYS are the way of the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why should not vehicle makers tinker with electric TOYS if LIE-berals are willing to PAY THEM to do so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



There are two things Hoid DOES NOT want to discuss:


He does not want to admit how quickly the electric TOY business will dry up after LIE-beral BRIBERY ENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Hoid does not want to admit that it is airplanes and the govt Hogs riding them that are the major cause of climate change!!!!!!!!!
 
MHz
#983
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Cadillac decided this week to shit can its diesel development in favor of fully electric.

The future is electric.

That gives us 100 years to burn up the gas we spent the last 100 years looking for.
 
spilledthebeer
#984
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

That gives us 100 years to burn up the gas we spent the last 100 years looking for.


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Poor MHz- it is SNIFFING GAS that gives rise to such muddled thoughts as he presents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



He does not wish to recognize that it is Hydrogen power that is the way of the future- once the gas is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hydrogen power offers many options that electrical TOY vehicles do not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For one thing Hydrogen fuel cells are far less toxic than Lithium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For another- Hydrogen cells do not automatically burst into flames when the case is cracked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hydrogen offers LONGER RANGE than an electric Toy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Hydrogen is quicker to refuel than an electric TOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A Hydrogen powered car offers better towing and cargo capacity- comparable to a gas powered car and thus is WAY BETTER than an electric TOY vehicle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The materials needed to build a hydrogen powered car are readily available- unlike Lithium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



In addition a Hydrogen powered vehicle does NOT suffer the same debilitating loss of range as an electric car does in cold weather!!!!!


A Hydrogen powered car is no harder to recycle than a gas powered car- in sharp contrast to an electric Toy vehicle with that huge battery full of toxic crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The future IS NOT ELECTRIC - it is Hydrogen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals will NOT have the power or money to buy into that Hydrogen future using OUR MONEY- as they have tried and failed to do with electric Toy vehicles and with mouldy green energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
DaSleeper
#985
Anb the ideologues still dream of an ice free north pole!

To validate their delusions!
 
MHz
#986
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

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Poor MHz- it is SNIFFING GAS that gives rise to such muddled thoughts as he presents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He does not wish to recognize that it is Hydrogen power that is the way of the future- once the gas is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74uarqap2E
Now you have a reason to keep all the internal combustion engines
 
MHz
#987
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Anb the ideologues still dream of an ice free north pole!

To validate their delusions!

Rather than 'free' this might work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbtZaqWVUgA
Russia Is Profiting Off Global Warming | VICE on HBO
 
spilledthebeer
#988
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Rather than 'free' this might work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbtZaqWVUgA
Russia Is Profiting Off Global Warming | VICE on HBO


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Here is an article exposing the rot at the heart of LIE-beral policy. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Liberals take from the poor, give to the rich

Steve Clark, Special to The Toronto Sun.

First posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:38 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:46 PM EST

Steve Clark is the Deputy Leader of the Ontario PCs. (HANDOUT)

The famous outlaw Robin Hood and his Merry Men achieved fame for robbing from the rich to give to the poor. Today we find an Ontario Liberal staffer taking a job at Tesla that shows the Wynne Liberals as Robin Hoods in reverse: They take from the poor to give to the rich.

(Tesla Co. Has made a career of sucking up BILLIONS in govt grants! The Tesla factory in Nevada WOULD NOT EXIST without Tesla first having gotten close to $5 billion dollars U.S. in govt cash! And Tesla cars would NOT be sold here in Ontari-owe unless LIE-berals offered up to FOURTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS in outright GIFTS of our money as subsidies to Tesla buyers!)

(In addition, a new California law now mandates that a certain percentage of new cars sold in that state MUST BE electric cars! Yes- any car maker who wants a license to operate there MUST SELL A MINIMUM NUMBER OF electric TOY cars! In order to meet the electric Toy car quota- General Motors is planning to LOSE $9 grand U.S. ON ALL THE ELECTRIC TOY cars they must sell per year or be closed down in California!)

(GM is simply hoping a $9 grand lure is enough to bring in the suckers- otherwise they may have to LOSE EVEN MORE- to ensure they meet the LIE-beral electric Toy quota! With the loss on electric car prices being made up with higher gas car prices! And now we see how close the relationship between Tesla and LIE-berals really is!)

Wynne and her cronies have done a lot to wreak havoc on Ontario - what they’ve done to the hydro system is case in point. We’ve long been outraged by their scheme to pay wealthy Ontarians to buy Teslas - (THE SPORTY AND COSTLY MODEL s) a fancy electric car that is the status of symbol of choice for Silicon Valley billionaires. The price tag for one starts at $75,200 – more than the average Ontario families earns in a year.

And let me be clear, this subsidy only applies to one car manufacturer – Tesla.

(And NOW lie-BERALS HAVCE EXPANDED THEIR ELECTRIC toy CAR SUBSIDIES TO Tesla model 3`s the “economy” sedan that costs TWICE as much as a gas car- AFTER the subsidies are added on! And some LIE-berals WONDER why General Motors is reluctant to invest in Ontari-owe?)

Once upon a time, Kathleen Wynne said that people who can afford this type of car probably don’t need more help from the government. We agree. So why then did her government flip-flop and reinstate the Tesla-buyer’s subsidy?

(LIE-berals are frantic to turn our electrical system into a GIGANTIC SLUSH fund they can use to BUY votes and cling to power at any price! This is why LIE-berals SOLD OFF our Hydro to their civil service union Hog pals! And it is why LIE-berals slammed shut the Hydro books so we could not SEE THE DIRT!!!!)

It’s a question I asked the premier in Question Period. She stonewalled. It’s a question I’d like to ask Environment Minister Glen Murray’s former chief of staff. He left the top job in the minister`s office to take a government relations job with Tesla the same month the tax break was announced.

It’s bad enough that Wynne is having Ontario taxpayers give money so people can buy Teslas; but what’s truly insulting is the revolving door of lobbyists, politicians and their staff that is the Ontario Liberal government.

“You scratch my back, I scratch yours” seems to be how Wynne and her Liberals want to run Ontario. We saw it with the outrageous green energy deals given to huge multinational companies to build wind turbines – companies that donated $1.3 million to the Ontario Liberals. And we saw it with cash for access fundraisers, where government ministers traded access with companies they regulate for massive donations.

Meanwhile, every day, taxpaying Ontarians are suffering. Most of the people I know couldn’t afford to spend $75,200 on a car.

Wynne’s Tesla-buyer’s subsidy benefits a narrow sliver of Ontarians who are already well-off. And the self-interest involved with senior political staff being hired by Tesla shows that her government`s ethics still haven’t hit bottom.

There is no proof yet that any laws or rules were broken, but a full investigation is needed. When Wynne gives special subsidies to companies who then go on to hire her top advisors, leaving Ontarians paying more for less and wondering who is going to stand up for them, something is seriously wrong.

(WE can only hope the new Ford govt will dig fully into the LIE-beral MESS and give us the full and UGLY details! We know- thanks to Ontari-owe auditor general Bonnie Lysyk- that LIE-berals LIED about having balanced their budgets!)

(Now- thanks to independent auditors hired by Ford- WE HAVE PROOF that the REAL LIE-beral 2018 deficit is not any of the Fake News numbers that LIE-berals gave us- not $1.5 billion, not $3 billion and not even $6.7 billion but the TRUE NUMBER is $15 Billion!! Such a COSTLY AND DELIBERATE LIE should be sufficient to DESTROY the Ontari-owe LIE-beral party- FOREVER!)

Steve Clark is the Deputy Leader of the Ontario PCs
 
MHz
#989
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

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Here is an article exposing the rot at the heart of LIE-beral policy. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Liberals take from the poor, give to the rich
Steve Clark, Special to The Toronto Sun.
First posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:38 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:46 PM EST
Steve Clark is the Deputy Leader of the Ontario PCs. (HANDOUT)
The famous outlaw Robin Hood and his Merry Men achieved fame for robbing from the rich to give to the poor. Today we find an Ontario Liberal staffer taking a job at Tesla that shows the Wynne Liberals as Robin Hoods in reverse: They take from the poor to give to the rich.

How many Politicians have went to work in the private industry after they 'retired' at positions that were way above their pay grade? Pork-barrel politics is not a single event in their careers. To the point it is a 'family business'. Good reason to have 1 person from the same family per decade in politics might be a smart move where the Voters rights are most important.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

(Tesla Co. Has made a career of sucking up BILLIONS in govt grants! The Tesla factory in Nevada WOULD NOT EXIST without Tesla first having gotten close to $5 billion dollars U.S. in govt cash! And Tesla cars would NOT be sold here in Ontari-owe unless LIE-berals offered up to FOURTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS in outright GIFTS of our money as subsidies to Tesla buyers!)

Pretty much, the companies that got the contracts were the Bankers best customers. Pay to play has been going on since the first railway spike was driven home, . . . and then some.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

(In addition, a new California law now mandates that a certain percentage of new cars sold in that state MUST BE electric cars! Yes- any car maker who wants a license to operate there MUST SELL A MINIMUM NUMBER OF electric TOY cars! In order to meet the electric Toy car quota- General Motors is planning to LOSE $9 grand U.S. ON ALL THE ELECTRIC TOY cars they must sell per year or be closed down in California!)

E-cars should be the norm for people who drive less than 100k per day. What is missing is the parts for the hot rod shops to install a retro-kit for under $1,000. The State can help buy buying the parts in bulk and have then take over the battery part as far as supply, remove and replace and recycle goes. They would also be first in line for better batteries as they get created in mass.
The oil companies also said at 1 time that they produce gas types of fuel and that is the engines they will R&D so it doesn't matter if an engine that runs on hydrogen can be made. A kit that allows water to be the fuel can be created using off the shelf parts if a person was determined to do that. No way to do it in high volume.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

(GM is simply hoping a $9 grand lure is enough to bring in the suckers- otherwise they may have to LOSE EVEN MORE- to ensure they meet the LIE-beral electric Toy quota! With the loss on electric car prices being made up with higher gas car prices! And now we see how close the relationship between Tesla and LIE-berals really is!)

I'n pretty sure a e-version of a smart car could be sold to 'city dwellers' just by showing them passing gas stations for inserting a plug at home. The heated version needed in Canada can have an AC when sold in warmer climates. E-vehicles will not be allowed to be in high enough numbers that a refinery is shut down.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Wynne and her cronies have done a lot to wreak havoc on Ontario - what they’ve done to the hydro system is case in point. We’ve long been outraged by their scheme to pay wealthy Ontarians to buy Teslas - (THE SPORTY AND COSTLY MODEL s) a fancy electric car that is the status of symbol of choice for Silicon Valley billionaires. The price tag for one starts at $75,200 – more than the average Ontario families earns in a year.

All Politicians since 1967 have been employees of the British Crown. Please quit forgetting who 'owns Canada'. It makes you into a liar and only confuses others.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

And let me be clear, this subsidy only applies to one car manufacturer – Tesla.

Subs are the reason capitalism is competitive in the first place, the more hidden they are the better. Banjers own 51^ of every company listed on the stock exchange. Explain to me how that hinders true competition.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

(And NOW lie-BERALS HAVCE EXPANDED THEIR ELECTRIC toy CAR SUBSIDIES TO Tesla model 3`s the “economy” sedan that costs TWICE as much as a gas car- AFTER the subsidies are added on! And some LIE-berals WONDER why General Motors is reluctant to invest in Ontari-owe?)

One-offs are always way overpriced. Why is no '$99 kit from ACME HARDWARE' available for the Masses. Subs have to end if a company gets solid enough to go public as the R&D should be done at that point. (and the backdoor in place)



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Once upon a time, Kathleen Wynne said that people who can afford this type of car probably don’t need more help from the government. We agree. So why then did her government flip-flop and reinstate the Tesla-buyer’s subsidy?

Sane reason any of them flip=flop, they aren't running the show.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

(LIE-berals are frantic to turn our electrical system into a GIGANTIC SLUSH fund they can use to BUY votes and cling to power at any price! This is why LIE-berals SOLD OFF our Hydro to their civil service union Hog pals! And it is why LIE-berals slammed shut the Hydro books so we could not SEE THE DIRT!!!!)

Hydro went privat so shareholders could get what was earmarked for taxpayers.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

It’s a question I asked the premier in Question Period. She stonewalled. It’s a question I’d like to ask Environment Minister Glen Murray’s former chief of staff. He left the top job in the minister`s office to take a government relations job with Tesla the same month the tax break was announced.

I'm pretty sure they are under direction not to tell the truth.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

It’s bad enough that Wynne is having Ontario taxpayers give money so people can buy Teslas; but what’s truly insulting is the revolving door of lobbyists, politicians and their staff that is the Ontario Liberal government.

Naybe we should fix that before taking on Syria's woes.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

“You scratch my back, I scratch yours” seems to be how Wynne and her Liberals want to run Ontario. We saw it with the outrageous green energy deals given to huge multinational companies to build wind turbines – companies that donated $1.3 million to the Ontario Liberals. And we saw it with cash for access fundraisers, where government ministers traded access with companies they regulate for massive donations.

This is Ontario, there was never a time when she didn't get piles of free money to throw around in the Province. If it turned out good it was by accident rather than design.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Meanwhile, every day, taxpaying Ontarians are suffering. Most of the people I know couldn’t afford to spend $75,200 on a car.

Really? How about the ones that spend many millions on a painting? Put them in a higher tax bracket and watch how fast the price of 'art' come down.


Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Wynne’s Tesla-buyer’s subsidy benefits a narrow sliver of Ontarians who are already well-off. And the self-interest involved with senior political staff being hired by Tesla shows that her government`s ethics still haven’t hit bottom.

Does the term 'pay to play' mean anything to you?



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

There is no proof yet that any laws or rules were broken, but a full investigation is needed. When Wynne gives special subsidies to companies who then go on to hire her top advisors, leaving Ontarians paying more for less and wondering who is going to stand up for them, something is seriously wrong.

Be sure to take it back to 1867.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

(WE can only hope the new Ford govt will dig fully into the LIE-beral MESS and give us the full and UGLY details! We know- thanks to Ontari-owe auditor general Bonnie Lysyk- that LIE-berals LIED about having balanced their budgets!)

Right after they solve all the missing Indian children.



Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

(Now- thanks to independent auditors hired by Ford- WE HAVE PROOF that the REAL LIE-beral 2018 deficit is not any of the Fake News numbers that LIE-berals gave us- not $1.5 billion, not $3 billion and not even $6.7 billion but the TRUE NUMBER is $15 Billion!! Such a COSTLY AND DELIBERATE LIE should be sufficient to DESTROY the Ontari-owe LIE-beral party- FOREVER!)

Steve Clark is the Deputy Leader of the Ontario PCs

See how much of that went to Canadian shareholders compared to foreigners.
 
spilledthebeer
#990
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

How many Politicians have went to work in the private industry after they 'retired' at positions that were way above their pay grade? Pork-barrel politics is not a single event in their careers. To the point it is a 'family business'. Good reason to have 1 person from the same family per decade in politics might be a smart move where the Voters rights are most important.





Pretty much, the companies that got the contracts were the Bankers best customers. Pay to play has been going on since the first railway spike was driven home, . . . and then some.





E-cars should be the norm for people who drive less than 100k per day. What is missing is the parts for the hot rod shops to install a retro-kit for under $1,000. The State can help buy buying the parts in bulk and have then take over the battery part as far as supply, remove and replace and recycle goes. They would also be first in line for better batteries as they get created in mass.
The oil companies also said at 1 time that they produce gas types of fuel and that is the engines they will R&D so it doesn't matter if an engine that runs on hydrogen can be made. A kit that allows water to be the fuel can be created using off the shelf parts if a person was determined to do that. No way to do it in high volume.





I'n pretty sure a e-version of a smart car could be sold to 'city dwellers' just by showing them passing gas stations for inserting a plug at home. The heated version needed in Canada can have an AC when sold in warmer climates. E-vehicles will not be allowed to be in high enough numbers that a refinery is shut down.





All Politicians since 1967 have been employees of the British Crown. Please quit forgetting who 'owns Canada'. It makes you into a liar and only confuses others.





Subs are the reason capitalism is competitive in the first place, the more hidden they are the better. Banjers own 51^ of every company listed on the stock exchange. Explain to me how that hinders true competition.





One-offs are always way overpriced. Why is no '$99 kit from ACME HARDWARE' available for the Masses. Subs have to end if a company gets solid enough to go public as the R&D should be done at that point. (and the backdoor in place)




Sane reason any of them flip=flop, they aren't running the show.





Hydro went privat so shareholders could get what was earmarked for taxpayers.





I'm pretty sure they are under direction not to tell the truth.





Naybe we should fix that before taking on Syria's woes.





This is Ontario, there was never a time when she didn't get piles of free money to throw around in the Province. If it turned out good it was by accident rather than design.



Really? How about the ones that spend many millions on a painting? Put them in a higher tax bracket and watch how fast the price of 'art' come down.




Does the term 'pay to play' mean anything to you?





Be sure to take it back to 1867.





Right after they solve all the missing Indian children.




See how much of that went to Canadian shareholders compared to foreigners.


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Congratulations MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Your delusions and illusions are really INTENSE TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The German Soviet Republic has already tried what you are proposing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They tried to ORDER a car company into existence..........and produced the TRABANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The least reliable, under powered, pollution spewing mess in the roads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Compare the Soviet produced Trabant to democratic and capitalist produced Porche, BMW or Mercedes and the SHEER IDIOCY of letting any govt into the car biz becomes obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Only a delusional LUNATIC would think that our LIE-beral overlords would produce a product that we would BUY VOLUNTARILY!!!!!!!



The |Tesla model 3 costs TWICE what a Nissan Qashqai does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Compared to Qashqai- the tesla 3 has shorter range, less cargo capacity, NO TOWING capacity and it comes with an awkward and slow to use refueling system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ONLY people with more money than brains- meaning a small minority of civil service union Hogs and other assorted flakes and airheads - can be persuaded to take advantage of the MASSIVE LIE-beral subsidies being offered to lure idiots into electric TOY cars!!!!


And considering that Elon Musk is having some rather public stress related melt downs as his company tries and FAILS to turn a profit, one can easily refer to Tesla as the LIE-beral Trabant for a modern age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The old Soviet public probably would have preferred a Tesla over a Trabant- but we in the west are voting with our pocket books!!!!!


WE have SCORNED WASTEFUL and selfish LIE-beral policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE LAUGH IN DISGUST at the ravings of deluded dreamers such as yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE REFUSE to BUY the electric Toy cars that LIE-berals want to force on us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And we REFUSE to pay the exorbitant "SUBSIDIES" - meaning outright GIFTS OF CASH that LIE-berals are throwing at any company that will jump on their electric powered band wagon- that is ALREADY OUT OF POWER- and out of public favour!!!!!!!!


The delusional ramblings of such as MHz and Hoid regarding our electric future are positive PROOF that LIE-berals had NO NEED to legalize Weed- some people cannot be trusted to imbibe wisely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!