Re: Is Canada ready for the coming electric vehicle revolution?Aug 4th, 2018
(if you missed that deal the rule of thumb they have been using is about $540 US to run a EV 15K miles a year)
The performance is what is required in order to compete against similar vehicles.
If you want to compete in the luxury/sport market you need a fast car.
Tesla has one.
I have yet to see one poster in this forum touting electric cars, who actually own and drives one!
Bloody hypocrites all......
Do as I say not as I do preachers......
What will replace taxes paid on gasoline?
How about taxes paid on whatever else people spend that money on?
And once again the main thing about the EV is not so much the money savings it is the gas that is not burned and the 0 emissions.
indeed you do not understand.
The money that EV save is really secondary to the gas they do not burn. That is why people want them.
So while you are free to believe whatever you like please extend the same courtesy to the thousands of people who want to switch to EVs and stop burning gas,
It doesn't seem like that should be that big a deal for you.
Fast but no legs?
I had a 400 buick that could eat a tank of gas in about a hour and a half if you wanted.
trillions of dollars have already been made on carbon fuels.
how much is enough?
trillions of dollars have already been made on carbon fuels.
how much is enough?
Also this week the Saudis throw a billion dollars into Lucid motors - Teslas main competition.
Cadillac decided this week to shit can its diesel development in favor of fully electric.
The future is electric.
That gives us 100 years to burn up the gas we spent the last 100 years looking for.
Poor MHz- it is SNIFFING GAS that gives rise to such muddled thoughts as he presents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He does not wish to recognize that it is Hydrogen power that is the way of the future- once the gas is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anb the ideologues still dream of an ice free north pole!
To validate their delusions!
Rather than 'free' this might work.
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Here is an article exposing the rot at the heart of LIE-beral policy. With some comments of my own in brackets):
Liberals take from the poor, give to the rich
Steve Clark, Special to The Toronto Sun.
First posted: Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:38 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:46 PM EST
Steve Clark is the Deputy Leader of the Ontario PCs. (HANDOUT)
The famous outlaw Robin Hood and his Merry Men achieved fame for robbing from the rich to give to the poor. Today we find an Ontario Liberal staffer taking a job at Tesla that shows the Wynne Liberals as Robin Hoods in reverse: They take from the poor to give to the rich.
(Tesla Co. Has made a career of sucking up BILLIONS in govt grants! The Tesla factory in Nevada WOULD NOT EXIST without Tesla first having gotten close to $5 billion dollars U.S. in govt cash! And Tesla cars would NOT be sold here in Ontari-owe unless LIE-berals offered up to FOURTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS in outright GIFTS of our money as subsidies to Tesla buyers!)
(In addition, a new California law now mandates that a certain percentage of new cars sold in that state MUST BE electric cars! Yes- any car maker who wants a license to operate there MUST SELL A MINIMUM NUMBER OF electric TOY cars! In order to meet the electric Toy car quota- General Motors is planning to LOSE $9 grand U.S. ON ALL THE ELECTRIC TOY cars they must sell per year or be closed down in California!)
(GM is simply hoping a $9 grand lure is enough to bring in the suckers- otherwise they may have to LOSE EVEN MORE- to ensure they meet the LIE-beral electric Toy quota! With the loss on electric car prices being made up with higher gas car prices! And now we see how close the relationship between Tesla and LIE-berals really is!)
Wynne and her cronies have done a lot to wreak havoc on Ontario - what they’ve done to the hydro system is case in point. We’ve long been outraged by their scheme to pay wealthy Ontarians to buy Teslas - (THE SPORTY AND COSTLY MODEL s) a fancy electric car that is the status of symbol of choice for Silicon Valley billionaires. The price tag for one starts at $75,200 – more than the average Ontario families earns in a year.
And let me be clear, this subsidy only applies to one car manufacturer – Tesla.
(And NOW lie-BERALS HAVCE EXPANDED THEIR ELECTRIC toy CAR SUBSIDIES TO Tesla model 3`s the “economy” sedan that costs TWICE as much as a gas car- AFTER the subsidies are added on! And some LIE-berals WONDER why General Motors is reluctant to invest in Ontari-owe?)
Once upon a time, Kathleen Wynne said that people who can afford this type of car probably don’t need more help from the government. We agree. So why then did her government flip-flop and reinstate the Tesla-buyer’s subsidy?
(LIE-berals are frantic to turn our electrical system into a GIGANTIC SLUSH fund they can use to BUY votes and cling to power at any price! This is why LIE-berals SOLD OFF our Hydro to their civil service union Hog pals! And it is why LIE-berals slammed shut the Hydro books so we could not SEE THE DIRT!!!!)
It’s a question I asked the premier in Question Period. She stonewalled. It’s a question I’d like to ask Environment Minister Glen Murray’s former chief of staff. He left the top job in the minister`s office to take a government relations job with Tesla the same month the tax break was announced.
It’s bad enough that Wynne is having Ontario taxpayers give money so people can buy Teslas; but what’s truly insulting is the revolving door of lobbyists, politicians and their staff that is the Ontario Liberal government.
“You scratch my back, I scratch yours” seems to be how Wynne and her Liberals want to run Ontario. We saw it with the outrageous green energy deals given to huge multinational companies to build wind turbines – companies that donated $1.3 million to the Ontario Liberals. And we saw it with cash for access fundraisers, where government ministers traded access with companies they regulate for massive donations.
Meanwhile, every day, taxpaying Ontarians are suffering. Most of the people I know couldn’t afford to spend $75,200 on a car.
Wynne’s Tesla-buyer’s subsidy benefits a narrow sliver of Ontarians who are already well-off. And the self-interest involved with senior political staff being hired by Tesla shows that her government`s ethics still haven’t hit bottom.
There is no proof yet that any laws or rules were broken, but a full investigation is needed. When Wynne gives special subsidies to companies who then go on to hire her top advisors, leaving Ontarians paying more for less and wondering who is going to stand up for them, something is seriously wrong.
(WE can only hope the new Ford govt will dig fully into the LIE-beral MESS and give us the full and UGLY details! We know- thanks to Ontari-owe auditor general Bonnie Lysyk- that LIE-berals LIED about having balanced their budgets!)
(Now- thanks to independent auditors hired by Ford- WE HAVE PROOF that the REAL LIE-beral 2018 deficit is not any of the Fake News numbers that LIE-berals gave us- not $1.5 billion, not $3 billion and not even $6.7 billion but the TRUE NUMBER is $15 Billion!! Such a COSTLY AND DELIBERATE LIE should be sufficient to DESTROY the Ontari-owe LIE-beral party- FOREVER!)
Steve Clark is the Deputy Leader of the Ontario PCs
How many Politicians have went to work in the private industry after they 'retired' at positions that were way above their pay grade? Pork-barrel politics is not a single event in their careers. To the point it is a 'family business'. Good reason to have 1 person from the same family per decade in politics might be a smart move where the Voters rights are most important.
Pretty much, the companies that got the contracts were the Bankers best customers. Pay to play has been going on since the first railway spike was driven home, . . . and then some.
E-cars should be the norm for people who drive less than 100k per day. What is missing is the parts for the hot rod shops to install a retro-kit for under $1,000. The State can help buy buying the parts in bulk and have then take over the battery part as far as supply, remove and replace and recycle goes. They would also be first in line for better batteries as they get created in mass.
The oil companies also said at 1 time that they produce gas types of fuel and that is the engines they will R&D so it doesn't matter if an engine that runs on hydrogen can be made. A kit that allows water to be the fuel can be created using off the shelf parts if a person was determined to do that. No way to do it in high volume.
I'n pretty sure a e-version of a smart car could be sold to 'city dwellers' just by showing them passing gas stations for inserting a plug at home. The heated version needed in Canada can have an AC when sold in warmer climates. E-vehicles will not be allowed to be in high enough numbers that a refinery is shut down.
All Politicians since 1967 have been employees of the British Crown. Please quit forgetting who 'owns Canada'. It makes you into a liar and only confuses others.
Subs are the reason capitalism is competitive in the first place, the more hidden they are the better. Banjers own 51^ of every company listed on the stock exchange. Explain to me how that hinders true competition.
One-offs are always way overpriced. Why is no '$99 kit from ACME HARDWARE' available for the Masses. Subs have to end if a company gets solid enough to go public as the R&D should be done at that point. (and the backdoor in place)
Sane reason any of them flip=flop, they aren't running the show.
Hydro went privat so shareholders could get what was earmarked for taxpayers.
I'm pretty sure they are under direction not to tell the truth.
Naybe we should fix that before taking on Syria's woes.
This is Ontario, there was never a time when she didn't get piles of free money to throw around in the Province. If it turned out good it was by accident rather than design.
Really? How about the ones that spend many millions on a painting? Put them in a higher tax bracket and watch how fast the price of 'art' come down.
Does the term 'pay to play' mean anything to you?
Be sure to take it back to 1867.
Right after they solve all the missing Indian children.
See how much of that went to Canadian shareholders compared to foreigners.