Tesla's electric cars aren't as green as you might think


DaSleeper
#241
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Oh dear me- all automatic devices have an automatic over ride you say?

Beside posting diarrhea

You have reading comprehension problem




Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Even the most sophisticated automatic devices have a manual override!

 
petros
#242
Electric cars aren't cheaper in Wetaskiwin.
 
Hoid
#243
expecting the white nationalist climate change deniers to actually read anything is probably a forlorn hope.
 
captain morgan
#244
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

As usual you didn't read the article. It says nothing about trans-Atlantic flights.


I see that reading isn't exactly your strong suit.

maybe you should just stick to supporting child slave labour


Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Enjoy your trans-Pacific flight.

.... RIP

 
pgs
+1
#245
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

expecting the white nationalist climate change deniers to actually read anything is probably a forlorn hope.

Are you white ? Do you deny that climate and weather are interchangeable? Are you real ?
 
Bar Sinister
#246
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

I see that reading isn't exactly your strong suit.

maybe you should just stick to supporting child slave labour


Chils labour? That's your schtick. I don't own a cell phone.



Maybe you should just stick to supporting poisoned air and water.
 
pgs
+1
#247
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Chils labour? That's your schtick. I don't own a cell phone.



Maybe you should just stick to supporting poisoned air and water.

But we are cleaning the air and water . Around my neck of the woods anyway .
 
Hoid
#248
Global Investment in Wind and Solar Energy Is Outshining Fossil Fuels
In 2016, about $297 billion was spent on renewables—compared with $143 billion on new nuclear, coal, gas and fuel-oil power plants,


https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-...els-1528718400

By Russell Gold
Updated June 11, 2018 10:21 a.m. ET
Global spending on renewable energy is outpacing investment in electricity from coal, natural gas and nuclear power plants, driven by falling costs of producing wind and solar power.
More than half of the worlds added power generating capacity is from alternative.



And Canada is still in dithering along with pipelines.

We are going to get left behind.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#249
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Enjoy your trans-Pacific flight.

.... RIP


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I LIKE THAT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


MAYBE WE SHOULD BUY HOID A TICKET FOR THAT FIRST ELECTRIC PLANE FLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





You just KNOW he would have to be drugged and sedated to get him aboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cant you just see his panic stricken little face pressed to the window looking out on the world in despair?


Wondering where and how so much LIE-beral policy went so very far wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
pgs
+1
#250
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Global Investment in Wind and Solar Energy Is Outshining Fossil Fuels
In 2016, about $297 billion was spent on renewables—compared with $143 billion on new nuclear, coal, gas and fuel-oil power plants,


https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-...els-1528718400

By Russell Gold
Updated June 11, 2018 10:21 a.m. ET
Global spending on renewable energy is outpacing investment in electricity from coal, natural gas and nuclear power plants, driven by falling costs of producing wind and solar power.
More than half of the worlds added power generating capacity is from alternative.



And Canada is still in dithering along with pipelines.

We are going to get left behind.

Good , that means we are maintaining some sanity and are not joining the race to the bottom .
 
Bar Sinister
#251
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I LIKE THAT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


MAYBE WE SHOULD BUY HOID A TICKET FOR THAT FIRST ELECTRIC PLANE FLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





You just KNOW he would have to be drugged and sedated to get him aboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cant you just see his panic stricken little face pressed to the window looking out on the world in despair?


Wondering where and how so much LIE-beral policy went so very far wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'd use an electric plane. Ticket prices are supposed to cost much less and they would be perfect for short haul flights within most nations or to nations that are close to one another like Europe. Of course, if it is your preference you could continue to pay more for you ticket and ride a conventional jet aircraft. And as usual the situation has nothing to do with liberalism and everything to do with innovation and the market economy.
 
taxslave
#252
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Global Investment in Wind and Solar Energy Is Outshining Fossil Fuels
In 2016, about $297 billion was spent on renewables—compared with $143 billion on new nuclear, coal, gas and fuel-oil power plants,


https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-...els-1528718400

By Russell Gold
Updated June 11, 2018 10:21 a.m. ET
Global spending on renewable energy is outpacing investment in electricity from coal, natural gas and nuclear power plants, driven by falling costs of producing wind and solar power.
More than half of the worlds added power generating capacity is from alternative.



And Canada is still in dithering along with pipelines.

We are going to get left behind.

Most of our power has always been generated by renewables for over 100 years. Making us far ahead of the rest of the world. Site C alone is over 6 billion $$$ in renewable power while the rest of the world dithers around squandering billions trying to make the wind blowing steady and the sun to shine 24/7.
Even the project we are wrapping up in Campbell River is over a billion replacing 6 ancient generators with 3 new ones that produce the same power with 20% less water.
And all the equipment required for construction runs on diesel. Most of the equipment required to obtain and transport the materials for your useless whirlygigs also require diesel. The backup power generators to ensure your inefficient wind and solar power is not interupted run on Natural Gas or Coal. If we don't build pipelines we will truly get left behind.
The really smart money would be working on a way to transport coal by pipeline.

Quote: Originally Posted by vita2007 View Post

We have electric cars, too, its are becoming very popular. Whatever you say, the pollution are less, and harm less to nature. I have already tried to drive different cars rental24h.com. When I see the rental cars then take electric cars.

That depends on how the power to charge your lectric toy is generated and wheat her you want to go more than a couple of blocks.
 
petros
+1
#253
How did they solve the battery killing cold problem by testing on the ground?
 
spilledthebeer
#254
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

How did they solve the battery killing cold problem by testing on the ground?


Pity the poor LIE-berals- their world is collapsing as we speak! Hoid- I do hope you got your order in for your electric Toy vehicle before the election and got the price nailed down because there will NOT be a lot of LIE-beral money available for electric Toy subsidies in future!


And here is an article explaining WHY so much money is going into renewable toys- with LIE-berals REFUSING to tell us how much o0f that money is OUR TAX MONEY! So much money is being thrown around by govt that even oil companies are going green! This is LIE-beral fakery and vote buying on a fabulous scale!



I present here an article written by Lorrie Goldstein of Toronto Sun newspaper and it ought to be MUST READING for any person who is employed in the private sector now or who hopes to be employed there some time in the future! Goldstein has summed up our looming LIE-beral designed economic disaster nicely but I have added some comments of my own in brackets).

Wynne’s climate change strategy rewards big business while punishing average Ontarians

(I say isn’t that amusing? LIE-berals sneered at Conservatives because they cut corporate taxes in order to lure jobs here and yet here are LIE-berals just GIVING carbon credits-bought with OUR tax dollars- to big corporations in order to persuade them not to close up shop and leave because of LIE-beral environmental tax and spend madness!)

By Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun. First posted: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 06:19 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 06:24 PM EDT

The funniest thing about Premier Kathleen Wynne’s unveiling of Ontario’s plan to fight global warming Wednesday wasn’t her observation that the weather was freezing on June 8, before she hightailed it out of the Evergreen Brick Works in a gas-guzzling SUV.

The funniest thing was the comment of her climate change minister, Glen Murray, to the Toronto Star the day before that Ontario’s $8.3-billion climate change plan is “a big basket of carrots and no sticks.”

Because it’s only a basket of carrots if you’re one of the more than 100 major industrial greenhouse gas emitters that will be getting free carbon credits — in essence, free money — from the Wynne government under its cap-and-trade legislation, which kicks in Jan. 1.

But it’s all stick, as in bad news, if you’re an average taxpayer who, among other countless absurdities in this plan, will be subsidizing rich people who buy expensive, not-ready-for-prime time electric cars, as well as paying for the free electricity they’ll get to recharge them.

What’s really going on here is an unholy alliance between big business, which is praising the Wynne plan in return for billions of dollars in public subsidies paid for by taxpayers, and so-called environmentalists, who are cheering a plan they know is grossly unfair to the public, but which they figure is better than nothing.

They’re wrong because for the average Ontarian, this plan is worse than nothing.

(A good many of the more rabid environmental activists are quite comfortable with the idea of forcing us to live in bark wigwams and having us cook our `meal` of Dandelion Greens over a smokey fire of dried Moose droppings-ASSUMING they are willing to let us collect the droppings instead of letting them decompose properly into the `natural` world!)

Its carbon pricing component will raise the cost of living, increasing the prices of virtually all goods and services, in return for no significant decreases in greenhouse gas emissions linked to climate change.

(Wynnes carbon cap is really nothing but a GIANT slush fund she will use to BRIBE civil service Hogs to continue VOTING for her! This is an election platform and has NOTHING to do with environment!)

It will drive hundreds of thousands more Ontarians — particularly seniors on fixed incomes — into energy poverty, where they spend more than 10% of their income just to power their homes.

It’s built on a financial house of cards — North America’s cap-and-trade market, which collapsed last month, resulting in California and Quebec, Ontario’s two new partners in cap-and-trade, receiving a mere 11% of the $700 million they anticipated in their latest auction of carbon credits.

(IN spite of industry scorning the plan, bankrupt California politicians are making plans to kick up the price of carbon credits by about 10 percent per year indefinitely into the future-with our LIE-beral Wynne-bag and her cronies tied into that scheme!)

Ontario expects to make $1.9 billion annually to start when it joins this carbon trading market next year, and while it’s gamed the system so that it will make money initially, inevitably the carbon trading market will collapse, just as it did in North America last month and as it did in Europe following the 2008 global recession.

And average Ontarians will be left holding the bag, as the Liberals will either increase taxes or the provincial debt to pay for the climate change schemes they announced Wednesday.

(A second auction of carbon credits was later held and sold out-nothing like a chocie between BUY or CLOSE your doors to motivate companies to buy! In spite of this forced racket, LIE-berals now admit the amount of money collected with be rather less than expected! Nothing like a CEO stating “give us credits free or we close shop and move south of the border with our jobs” to pry some more free credits out of LIE-berals!)

The easiest way to explain this looming disaster is that all previous Liberal scandals — eHealth, Ornge, cancelled gas plants and, as we learned on Wednesday, the $342-million deficit left over from the Pan Am Games — pale in comparison to the losses taxpayers are going to face under the climate change strategy Wynne unveiled Wednesday.

In a word, it’s frightening.

(LIE-berals truly believe they are the natural ruling party and they are prepared to make us pay ANY price so they cab cling to power by buying votes from select pressure groups such as Muslims and civil service Hogs!)
 
Twin_Moose
#255
Tesla prepares Model 3 leasing option to boost demand

Quote:

According to a report on Elektrek, Tesla is preparing to launch leasing products for its Model 3 electric sedan in order to boost demand. The website reportedly obtained an email sent to employees outlining plans to begin the leasing program within the next two weeks.
Tesla confirmed the email's authenticity, but declined to provide any further specifics on the program or the timing of its launch. A spokesperson said "it will definitely be after the dates outlined in this document." It's also not clear whether leasing would be an option in markets outside of the United States.
Over the past year, Tesla has talked about using leasing to boost demand for the Model 3, but the automaker has been reluctant to introduce the measure because of its effect on GAAP financials. During Tesla's most recent earnings call, company chief Elon Musk said, "Obviously, leasing is a way to improve [Model 3] demand, but it makes our financials look worse."
Currently, the cheapest Tesla Model 3 costs $45,600 (MSRP). That's still a far cry from the entry price that many Model 3 intenders have been waiting for, but we'd guess a lease option with lower monthly payments could definitely kickstart a new wave of sales.

 
taxslave
+1
#256
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Tesla prepares Model 3 leasing option to boost demand

Still have to figure out how to actually build the cars.
 
Hoid
#257
You mean to say that Tesla is the best selling luxury car in the world and you can't even lease one?

Or buy one from a dealership?
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#258
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

You mean to say that Tesla is the best selling luxury car in the world and you can't even lease one?

Or buy one from a dealership?


POOR STUPID HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


His electric TOY car dream is in serious DANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The FINE PRINT in the news article and Tesla announcement was this: "that in the short term - the leasing option will make Tesla



finances look even WORSE" as they will not get full payment on the leased cars for some years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Twenty years from now when somebody makes a documentary asking "Who killed the electric Toy car"?????????????????


THE ANSWER WILL BE REALITY KILLED THE ELECTRIC TOY CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

 
petros
+1
#259
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

I'd use an electric plane. Ticket prices are supposed to cost much less and they would be perfect for short haul flights within most nations or to nations that are close to one another like Europe. Of course, if it is your preference you could continue to pay more for you ticket and ride a conventional jet aircraft. And as usual the situation has nothing to do with liberalism and everything to do with innovation and the market economy.

Why would the ticket be cheaper?
 
petros
+2
#260
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

You mean to say that Tesla is the best selling luxury car in the world and you can't even lease one?
Or buy one from a dealership?

There are still more 100 year old Ford Model A's on the road than Teslas
 
spilledthebeer
+2
#261
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Why would the ticket be cheaper?




The ticket for an electric plane would be cheaper because LIE-berals would SUBSIDIZE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


That is the LIE-beral solution to everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just throw money at problems till the problems are BURIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Hoid
#262
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

There are still more 100 year old Ford Model A's on the road than Teslas

no I don't think so.
 
spilledthebeer
#263
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

no I don't think so.




POOR STUPID HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


He thinks that he is entitled to state something is either fact or not as is CONVENIENT FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There are a couple of Model T`s sitting in garages down the street from me right this moment........just waiting for spring sunshine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But there are NO Tesla model anythings near me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And HOID is a typical LIE-beral happily arranging facts to suit and support HIS arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Electric Toy cars are NOT NEARLY AS GREEN as LIE-berals want to PRETEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


In fact - if we got a COMPLETELY HONEST ACCOUNTING we might find diesels to be better than electric TOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Here is one of those articles that LIE-berals will not want to talk about! With some comments of my own in brackets):

The Dirt on Clean Electric Cars

New research shows some drivers might spew out less CO2 with a diesel engine.

By Niclas Rolander, Jesper Starn, and Elisabeth Behrmann

Published October 15, 2018, 11:00 PM EDT

Why Electric Cars Aren't Taking Over Yet

Beneath the hoods of millions of the clean electric cars rolling onto the world’s roads in the next few years will be a dirty battery.

Every major carmaker has plans for electric vehicles to cut greenhouse gas emissions, yet their manufacturers are, by and large, making lithium-ion batteries in places with some of the most polluting grids in the world.

(Yes- the dirty little electric Toy car secret is that mining Lithium and refining it into batteries are both producing high levels of toxic dust and assorted nasty residues that are as bad or worse than oil production! At the urging of selfish LIE-berals we are switching from one form of pollution to another-just as bad!!)

By 2021, capacity will exist to build batteries for more than 10 million cars running on 60 kilowatt-hour packs, according to data of Bloomberg NEF. Most supply will come from places like China, Thailand, Germany and Poland that rely on non-renewable sources like coal for electricity.

(And this is a second dirty little electric Toy car secret- that much of the electricity need to charge the electric Toy cars is a LONG WAY OFF being clean! Many countries still rely on coal fired generators!)

(Even here in Ontari-owe- after 15 years of hugely costly LIE-beral effort to make us clean and green- our power grid has substantial wind and solar generation capacity - but it is SO UNRELIABLE that LIE-berals were forced to make an entire back up system powered by natural gas! It would have been cheaper and just as clean to simply use natural gas and FORGET wind and solar power here!)

(Yes- Ontari-owe MUST HAVE a natural gas plant - for each wind or solar farm- with the gas plants kept fully manned and fully powered up and sitting idle and just waiting to take over at a moments notice when the wind stops blowing or the sun goes behind a cloud! LIE-berals DO NOT COUNT that fossil fueled gas back up system when they boast about Zero emission electric Toy cars!!)

Not So Green?

Year 1 includes manufacturing-stage emissions. Predictions based on carbon tailpipe emissions and energy mix in 2017.

Source: Berylls Strategy Advisors

“We’re facing a bow wave of additional CO2 emissions,” said Andreas Radics, a managing partner at Munich-based automotive consultancy Berylls Strategy Advisors, which argues that for now, drivers in Germany or Poland may still be better off with an efficient diesel engine.

(In other words - simply setting up the green system is producing it own green house emissions- that LIE-berals re not counting either! All that concrete and steel for wind towers and the aluminum necessary for wiring to the grid!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The findings, among the more bearish ones around, show that while electric cars are emission-free on the road, they still discharge a lot of the carbon-dioxide that conventional cars do.

Just to build each car battery—weighing upwards of 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds) in size for sport-utility vehicles—would emit up to 74 percent more C02 than producing an efficient conventional car if it’s made in a factory powered by fossil fuels in a place like Germany, according to Berylls’ findings.

(And of course LIE-berals are also forgetful about what it will cost in the future to recycle those millions of batteries! Simply transporting all that mega tonnage of old batteries to a suitable facility will consume much fossil fuel - and LIE- berals aint counting that cost either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And Lithium is so toxic it cannot simply be put in a land fill! Lithium bursts into raging flames on contact with air so disposal of old batteries will be COSTLY and time consuming and a potentially dangerous fire hazard!)

Yet regulators haven’t set out clear guidelines on acceptable carbon emissions over the life cycle of electric cars, even as the likes of China, France and the U.K. move toward outright bans of combustion engines.

(Western LIE-berals are focused on how to maintain their entitlements - while using their alleged environmental concerns as a screen for their GREED!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why they told us the Paris Accord was so vital and now a few years later they are telling us the Paris Accord is USELESS! Exactly as the anti LIE-beral critics claimed when the Accord was proposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“It will come down to where is the battery made, how is it made, and even where do we get our electric power from,” said Henrik Fisker, chief executive officer and chairman of Fisker Inc., a California-based developer of electric vehicles.

For perspective, the average German car owner could drive a gas-guzzling vehicle for three and a half years, or more than 50,000 kilometers, before a Nissan Leaf with a 30 kWh battery would beat it on carbon-dioxide emissions in a coal-heavy country, Berylls estimates show.

(And a we have seen LIE-berals fudge the numbers at every stage of electric Toy car production and use and eventual disposal! With the added bonus that Lithium batteries suffer drastic drastic reductions in range and service life in a cold northern climate- anything below 10 Celsius is HARD for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The Dirt on Electric Car Batteries

(There have been several work stoppages at the Tesla Giga factory as a result of higher than expected levels of toxic Lithium dust- both inside the factory and in towns down wind from the factory!)

(In addition there is growing complaint from inside China over pollution from Lithium mines and refineries but the Chinese Soviet dictators- with their notorious indifference to human rights- have clamped down on complainers as China badly wants the western hard currency that Lithium sales generate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Battery makers plan factories in Germany, Poland, where coal is still king

Capacity includes plants announced and under construction. Actual energy generation in 2017.

Sources: Bloomberg New Energy Finance, European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity

And that’s one of the smallest batteries on the market: BMW’s i3 has a 42 kWh battery, Mercedes’s upcoming EQC crossover will have a 80 kWh battery, and Audi’s e-tron will come in at 95 kWh.

With such heavy batteries, an electric car’s carbon footprint can grow quite large even beyond the showroom, depending on how it’s charged. Driving in France, which relies heavily on nuclear power, will spit out a lot less CO2 than Germany, where 40 percent of the grid burns on coal.

(But even nuclear power consumes substantial amounts of fossil fuel and LIE-berals DO NOT COUNT THAT HONESTLY EITHER!!!! For one thing, massive quantities of concrete are needed to create the immense concrete vaults that nuclear waste is buried in! It is not just spent fuel rods that the nuclear industry must bury for centuries! There is all manner of other gear that gets contaminated!)

(A nuclear power plant is just a big steam engine and it has a lot of plumbing- which needs to be replaced from time to time so there is a constant flow of old irradiated pipes and tools and clip boards and ladders and safety suits and other gear to long term concrete storage! Along with a steady flow of fluids that have been used to clean, decontaminate or degrease the facility and it ALL has to be trucked away and stored in concrete containers and buried by diesel powered machinery! Nuclear power is not nearly so clean as its supporters claim!!!!!!!!!!!)

“It’s not a great change to move from diesel to German coal power,” said NorthVolt AB CEO Peter Carlsson, a former Tesla manager who is trying to build a 4-billion-euro ($4.6 billion) battery plant in Sweden that would run on hydropower. “Electric cars will be better in every way, but of course, when batteries are made in a coal-based electricity system it will take longer” to surpass diesel engines, he said.

To be sure, other studies show that even in coal-dominant Poland, using an electric car would emit 25 percent less carbon dioxide than a diesel car, according to Transport & Environment Brussels, a body that lobbies the European Union for sustainable environmental policy.

(IF ONLY we could TRUST the LIE-beral numbers! And based on Wynne-bag Ontari-owe LIE-beral assurances about the low cost and great benefits that would come from surrendering to their mouldy green energy plan- that has turned into a costly disaster- there is NO REASON to believe ANYTHING that lobbyists from the electric Toy car industry tell us!!!!!!!)

(The hard truth is there are other, MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS of saving the environment- it is just too bad that LIE-berals don’t want to LOOK at the other options ! LIE-berals LIKE electric Toy cars for the GRAVY they hope the Toys will generate for them! As spin doctors from B.C. Hydro have explained -there can be “windfall profits” from electric Toy cars- meaning they are grand for PRICE GOUGING gullible tax payers on electricity charges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
taxslave
+1
#264
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Global Investment in Wind and Solar Energy Is Outshining Fossil Fuels
In 2016, about $297 billion was spent on renewables—compared with $143 billion on new nuclear, coal, gas and fuel-oil power plants,
https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-...els-1528718400
By Russell Gold
Updated June 11, 2018 10:21 a.m. ET
Global spending on renewable energy is outpacing investment in electricity from coal, natural gas and nuclear power plants, driven by falling costs of producing wind and solar power.
More than half of the worlds added power generating capacity is from alternative.
And Canada is still in dithering along with pipelines.
We are going to get left behind.

If we don't get pipelines to tidewater we will be left behind. Worse there won't be any tax base to subsidise the whirlygigs.
 
taxslave
+1
#265
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

How did they solve the battery killing cold problem by testing on the ground?

Arctic clothing and gas fired heaters from old volkswagons.
 
taxslave
#266
Quote: Originally Posted by hoid View Post

no i don't think.

fify
 
spilledthebeer
#267
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Good , that means we are maintaining some sanity and are not joining the race to the bottom .




Pity poor LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THey are so ENTITLED ....................... they DO NOT UNDERSTAND that there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between money VOLUNTARILY spent by people in private sector to obtain products the buyer actually wants - to enhance his life.............................................. .....


and the GRAVY that LIE-berals have ripped out of our pockets by force and are now shoveling out to select FRIENDS and special interest groups and entitled industries in a vain hope of BRIBING people into accepting LIE-beral propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hoid
#268
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

If we don't get pipelines to tidewater we will be left behind. Worse there won't be any tax base to subsidise the whirlygigs.

"tidewater" is a magic natty word.
 
taxslave
#269
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

"tidewater" is a magic natty word.

That is what you Flatlanders call the ocean.
 
Hoid
#270
you white nattys call is tidewater.

nobody knows why
 

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