Urban Camping Wascana Park Style


petros
+3
#91
Indian time. Last minute or late.
 
Ron in Regina
+2
#92
My Girlfriend & I had company for coffee this morning, then went of
for a bit to eat, grabbed a couple of sacks of dog food at CowTown,
and a leisurely drive (Sunday afternoon style = about 15km/h from
end to end) through the Park. I can say that nothing has come down,
or is being prepared to come down in the campsite. The one teepee
is smoking away like a chimney, and one one guy sitting on a chair
(no visitors or other irregular campers) outdoors in the whole campsite
and that was several teepee's away from the smoking teepee.

I tell you, the Wascana Authority really should have turned on the
sprinklers on that one day in June when they could have, between the
police arresting (but not charging) a few of the irregular campers, and
the camp being up and running again in that 36 hour window in June.
Last edited by Ron in Regina; 1 week ago at 06:44 PM..Reason: spacing
 
Mowich
+1
#93
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

What's a 'Regina'?


Queen City of the Plains
 
Mowich
+1
#94
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/forthwith

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/forthwith

Camp will remain over the weekend
Members of the Justice for our Stolen Children camp have kept
an open line with the government through their lawyer about the
and say their understanding is they can remain in the park over
the weekend.

As of Friday afternoon, the camp hadn’t finished reading through
the entire 56-page decision and was in the process of speaking
to their lawyers. Pitawanakwat said they still need to meet with
lawyers before deciding on an appeal.

I wonder if this is what Judge Wilkinson meant when ordering the
camp dismantled and vacated forthwith?


adverb: forthwith

- (especially in official use) immediately; without delay.
synonyms: at once, instantly, directly, right away, straightaway, posthaste, without delay, without hesitation, speedily, promptly

Nope, not even close, Ron...........not even close.
 
Ron in Regina
+2
#95
 
Ron in Regina
+1
#96



With "Rights" come "Responsibilities"....

Link: http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/110.../1100100028783
(This is from Treaty 6)

And the undersigned Chiefs and Headmen, on their own behalf
and on behalf of all other Indians inhabiting the tract within ceded,
do hereby solemnly promise and engage to strictly observe this
treaty, and also to conduct and behave themselves as good and
loyal subjects of Her Majesty the Queen. They promise and engage
that they will, in all respects, obey and abide by the law, that they
will maintain peace and good order.

On that note, using the Treaties as a defense for not obeying the law
shows me that the FSIN Spokesperson needs to read Treaty 6 before
speaking to the media again.
Last edited by Ron in Regina; 1 week ago at 10:47 PM..Reason: spacing
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#97
You know it will be dragged on as long as possible

'It just feels like home': Justice for Our Stolen Children camp supporters plan for future
Quote:

As the last of the Queen City Marathon runners run by Wascana Park on a quiet Sunday afternoon, with cheers ringing in the distance, elders and camp supporters sat down in a circle to discuss the next steps and future of Justice for Our Stolen Children camp.
On Friday, a judge issued a decision that the remaining teepees at the protest camp must come down from the public park and that police were authorized to arrest and remove people contravening the order.
Camp supporters said they were still consulting with their lawyers about the decision and had made no decisions about what would happen next.
"Everybody was ready to stick out the winter. Everybody was ready to stay here as long as it takes to see some change," said Ronald Elliott, who has been a regular visitor at the camp for the past few months.
The camp has been up for 194 days, calling for justice and child welfare reform on behalf of Indigenous people, despite repeated calls from the Saskatchewan government that the protest must come down from the public park.
After Friday's ruling, Elliot said he didn't see the likelihood that the camp would remain as long as he believed it would, a fact that he said left him saddened.
"Everybody eventually accepted me. It just feels like home now," he said.
Elliott said he feels child welfare reform is particularly needed, even if the camp is removed.
"I've had brothers and sisters too that have had their kids taken away for periods of time. That's not fun," said Elliott. "It's not nice for the kids other. They get detached and estranged."

Cold nights only a small hardship

Darin Milo has been camping at the park since it first began in February.
"The nights are very cold — some of them," he said. "You keep pushing. You realize there's a lot of people that go through a lot of hardships. Sometimes that cold weather doesn't seem so bad compared to what other people go through."
One of the issues that came up over the course of court proceedings was that protesters had not applied for a permit.
Minister of Central Services Ken Cheveldayoff said the judge's decision confirmed "the act of overnight camping, burning combustibles and erecting structures in the park cannot be done without the proper permits and approvals."
However, Milo said that he questioned what kind of government would require people to apply and pay for a permit to only decide later whether or not they would allow the protest.
" That's fundamentally against a free society as a whole," he said.
Robyn Pitawanakwat, a camp spokesperson, said campers understood they had permission to remain at the site through the weekend. Nine teepees remain on the site on Sunday.
Pitawanakwat said that despite what happens to the site, people still need to have an "embassy" where they could come and share their stories, including those of loss and trauma.
"That need remains, whether or not we're allowed to be here," she said. "There is a need for families to have a place to come and to have people that will advocate for them."

Someone advocating for a job, office and staff, maybe move right in to the Parliament building
 
petros
+2
#98
90% of the tips are empty and not the property of the 3 campers still there.

They can't stop removal of someone else's property.
 
Mowich
+1
#99
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

You know it will be dragged on as long as possible

'It just feels like home': Justice for Our Stolen Children camp supporters plan for future

Someone advocating for a job, office and staff, maybe move right in to the Parliament building

Just feels like home, eh.............I had no idea that some Saskatchewan Indians were still living in teepees. Must make it pretty hard to put that 52 inch TV on the wall.



"....people still need to have an "embassy...." Fine, they want an embassy they can build one on the reserve with their own money and not a single cent from taxpayers. Not that having one will change a single thing but it will give them something to do which from what I have been reading about this bunch, they surely need.


 
Twin_Moose
+1
#100
If one is talking about Embassies is one not proclaiming to be separate from the country therefore all perks from the country should be cut off to the foreign nation.
 
Mowich
-1
#101
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

If one is talking about Embassies is one not proclaiming to be separate from the country therefore all perks from the country should be cut off to the foreign nation.


Very good point, TM.
 
Ron in Regina
+2
#102
The 32nd Annual Treaty 4 Gathering & Pow Wow at Fort Qu'Appelle
runs from Sept 10th (today) through the 16th, so some of the Teepee's
will have come down to go out there.That's progress in a sort'a forthwith
manner.



https
://www.cjme.com/2018/09/10/removing-protestors-from-wascana-park-up-to-police-mayor/


The Regina’s mayor said there’s no doubt police have to abide
by the court order to remove protesters camping in Wascana Park.
A judge ruled in favour of the provincial government on Friday,
ordering the Justice for our Stolen Children camp to get out of the
park because they are breaking bylaws.


Protesters remained there over the weekend as they reviewed the decision.
As of Monday morning, 10 teepees remained on the west lawn of
Wascana Park. Camp supporters said three teepees were taken
down following the court order. The group is still taking time to
figure out their next move and will update the public later on Monday.

The rest of the article is at the LINK above. This is Monday evening
and I'm still looking for an update to the public...



Not enough bodies there to update the day count since Friday?
Last edited by Ron in Regina; 1 week ago at 09:47 PM..Reason: spacing
 
Ron in Regina
+1
#103
Sorry, just counted Teepee's in the pic above and there's 11, so
it's an old picture and predates the court ruling announcement.
Day 192 makes it Friday so can't claim it's obeying the court order
and claiming that the count is down from 15 since the announcement.
Last edited by Ron in Regina; 1 week ago at 09:58 PM..Reason: spacing
 
Mowich
+1
#104
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

The 32nd Annual Treaty 4 Gathering & Pow Wow at Fort Qu'Appelle
runs from Sept 10th (today) through the 16th, so some of the Teepee's
will have come down to go out there.That's progress in a sort'a forthwith
manner.

www.cjme.com/2018/09/10/removing-protestors-from-wascana-park-up-to-police-mayor/

The Regina’s mayor said there’s no doubt police have to abide
by the court order to remove protesters camping in Wascana Park.
A judge ruled in favour of the provincial government on Friday,
ordering the Justice for our Stolen Children camp to get out of the
park because they are breaking bylaws.

Protesters remained there over the weekend as they reviewed the decision.
As of Monday morning, 10 teepees remained on the west lawn of
Wascana Park. Camp supporters said three teepees were taken
down following the court order. The group is still taking time to
figure out their next move and will update the public later on Monday.

The rest of the article is at the LINK above. This is Monday evening
and I'm still looking for an update to the public...

Not enough bodies there to update the day count since Friday?


“It shows the province’s true colours and how they feel about First Nation children and communities,” she said."

What it shows is that there still is such a thing as the rule of law in Saskatchewan. And, that weenie of a police chief in Regina better get off his lazy frickin' behind and get the job done - pronto.

"Robyn Pitawanakwat, a spokeswoman for the camp, said protesters are still undecided about where to go from here."

Right, like they don't already have plans to meet up with their buds at the Pow Wow.

"Pitawanakwat said spirits are good at the camp and people have been united since the court order. She wants the focus to be on issues they’ve brought forward, rather than bylaws and permissions."

Well best they start paying attention to bylaws and permissions and court orders lest they want their sorry butts dragged off the land.
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#105
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Very good point, TM.

Sorry for the Red it was suppose to be a Green

Parents raise concerns over switch from French to Cree in some Regina public schools

Quote:

Rosemont Community School in Regina is the latest elementary school to swap out core French for Cree, but some parents say they were never consulted and now their only option is to transfer schools.
"There are a lot of people who showed up on the first day of school and found out there's no French and then they're kind of left in this thing 'Well, where do we transfer our kids part way through the year, what exactly do we do?'" parent Katie Boulanger said. "We've essentially been told if we don't like it we need to leave."

It's a move made by Regina Public Schools to offer students Cree instead of core French as part of Indigenous Studies. Currently, six elementary schools in the city have made the switch.
"What we're hearing from parents and communities is to take advantage of the realities of our city, the reality of Treaty 4," supervisor of communications for Regina public schools, Terry Lazarou said. "We're all on Treaty 4 land. Give students the options to learn about stuff that they haven't had the chance to learn about before."
According to the school board, core French is not a requirement in schools, although it admits parents were not given proper consultation.

"Is it an ideal situation? No it's not. We always like to consult with parents but in this case we moved for the benefit of the school community," Lazarou said. "We had the opportunity of making use of an exception Indigenous studies teacher and we moved very quickly on that to offer it for the 2018-19 school year."

But Boulanger is concerned her daughters will fall behind or lose their basic understanding of the French language, something she wants them to learn throughout their life.
"I'm worried that it's going to delay them in the future if they decide to take French classes in high school or if anything happens and we end up moving or transferring to a different neighbourhood," Boulanger said.
Even though French is an official language in Canada, according to Cree language instructor Darren Okemaysim, Cree is the most commonly spoken Indigenous language in the country.
Some schools in Saskatoon have also made the switch with four out of 20 elementary schools in the city offering Cree instead of core French.
Although there are currently no plans for other schools in Regina to do the same, Boulanger says students shouldn't be limited.
"I think Indigenous studies is amazing and we are really lucky to have it in our curriculum and I almost think of it as a different subject it shouldn't be either or."

Why are SJW's trying to rewrite history? I don't recall a land dispute over Pile "O" Bones, Treaty was signed they are in Treaty 4 district not on Treaty 4 land. The last decade or so Bands started buying land around Regina and claiming Urban Reserve status is this what they are referring too?
 
Twin_Moose
#106
Teepees start to come down in Regina at legislature

Quote:

REGINA - Teepees are starting to come down at an Indigenous protest camp on the grounds of the Saskatchewan legislature, but what the protesters do in the future remains unknown.
On Friday, a judge ordered that the Justice For Our Stolen Children Camp be dismantled after the government applied for a court-ordered eviction.
There had been 15 teepees in the camp at one point, but that number was down to 10 by Monday morning. At least two of the teepees came down after the court order, while others were taken down for the annual Treaty 4 Gathering in Fort Qu'Appelle, Sask.
Regina police spokeswoman Elizabeth Popowich said the department was in talks with the province and protesters.
"The chief has said he expects a resolution in the near future," Popowich said in an emailed statement.
No deadline was specified in Justice Ysanne Wilkinson's order to take the camp down.

Protester Richelle Dubois said it's disheartening to see the number of teepees shrink.
"It shows the province's true colours and how they feel about First Nation children and communities," she said.
The campers have been protesting racial injustice and the disproportionate number of Indigenous children in care since late February.
Robyn Pitawanakwat, a spokeswoman for the camp, said protesters are still undecided about where to go from here.
Protesters held several meetings over the weekend to discuss their options.
"We're hopeful, hopeful that there's still a future for our cause and there's still a future for our children and our children still matter," Dubois said.
Lawyer Dan LeBlanc, who represents the protesters, wasn't immediately available for comment. A spokesperson for the provincial government declined to comment further on the future of the camp.
Pitawanakwat said spirits are good at the camp and people have been united since the court order. She wants the focus to be on issues they've brought forward, rather than bylaws and permissions.


Isn't forthwith a Timeline?
 
Twin_Moose
#107
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

“It shows the province’s true colours and how they feel about First Nation children and communities,” she said."
What it shows is that there still is such a thing as the rule of law in Saskatchewan. And, that weenie of a police chief in Regina better get off his lazy frickin' behind and get the job done - pronto.
"Robyn Pitawanakwat, a spokeswoman for the camp, said protesters are still undecided about where to go from here."
Right, like they don't already have plans to meet up with their buds at the Pow Wow.
"Pitawanakwat said spirits are good at the camp and people have been united since the court order. She wants the focus to be on issues they’ve brought forward, rather than bylaws and permissions."
Well best they start paying attention to bylaws and permissions and court orders lest they want their sorry butts dragged off the land.


Maybe they are trying to negotiate a TeePee to stay standing as an Embassy for Nation to Nation negotiations
 
Mowich
+1
#108
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Sorry for the Red it was suppose to be a Green

Parents raise concerns over switch from French to Cree in some Regina public schools



Why are SJW's trying to rewrite history? I don't recall a land dispute over Pile "O" Bones, Treaty was signed they are in Treaty 4 district not on Treaty 4 land. The last decade or so Bands started buying land around Regina and claiming Urban Reserve status is this what they are referring too?


Welcome to the brave new world of PC politics, TM. There is an article on Huff Post about the need to teach native kids their own language - whatever that language may be - and of course it demands that funds be provided for such. The overwhelming majority of responses are negative, mine along with them. Most of the responses point out the fact that learning a native language is hardly a useful tool in getting a decent job. Others point out the fact that immigrants of other nationalities have had no problem keeping their language alive without a cent of government funding. The article itself states that kids aren't interested in learning their language.
 
Mowich
+1
#109
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Teepees start to come down in Regina at legislature

Isn't forthwith a Timeline?


Obviously not in the eyes of Regina's police chief, TM. As for the activist types at the camp, they are still too busy studying the order which begs the question - what about 'get out now' don't they understand?
 
Mowich
+1
#110
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Indian time. Last minute or late.


Or as I am witnessing as I watch the MMWI, confusion, obfuscation, veering wildly off-topic, inability to concentrate on the question before them without falling back on complaints of residential school trauma, etc etc etc.

Is it little wonder treaty negotiations have dragged on so long now when some natives simply do have the ability to address what is before them in a timely and succinct manner.
 
Mowich
+2
#111
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

I tell you, the Wascana Authority really should have turned on the
sprinklers on that one day in June when they could have, between the police arresting (but not charging) a few of the irregular campers, and the camp being up and running again in that 36 hour window in June.


A water bomber would have done a fine job of putting paid to the camp, Ron - better yet drop some fire retardant on them.
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#112
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Welcome to the brave new world of PC politics, TM. There is an article on Huff Post about the need to teach native kids their own language - whatever that language may be - and of course it demands that funds be provided for such. The overwhelming majority of responses are negative, mine along with them. Most of the responses point out the fact that learning a native language is hardly a useful tool in getting a decent job. Others point out the fact that immigrants of other nationalities have had no problem keeping their language alive without a cent of government funding. The article itself states that kids aren't interested in learning their language.

Red Apple extremists from the 70's are starting to win out in Res. politics and starting to pay dividends on what they were promising. Our pussy courts can't help but inject themselves into what should be a simple contract dispute over treaties, showing how whitey can be held to written history while giving a great deal of latitude on Oral history. Sometimes one wonders how things would have turned out if Custer would have waited for back up or the NWMP turned a blind eye to the 49th parallel for a few years. J/K on the last sentence it is what it is, we have to come together as Canadian's before this Nation to Nation B.S. bankrupts us all.
 
Mowich
+1
#113
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Red Apple extremists from the 70's are starting to win out in Res. politics and starting to pay dividends on what they were promising. Our pussy courts can't help but inject themselves into what should be a simple contract dispute over treaties, showing how whitey can be held to written history while giving a great deal of latitude on Oral history. Sometimes one wonders how things would have turned out if Custer would have waited for back up or the NWMP turned a blind eye to the 49th parallel for a few years. J/K on the last sentence it is what it is, we have to come together as Canadian's before this Nation to Nation B.S. bankrupts us all.


Or they simply stood aside and allowed American trappers to continue crossing the border at will to keep feeding the natives alcohol and giving them infected blankets. There are many 'what ifs' TM but as you say 'it is what it is' and we have to find some accommodation with the natives we are dealing with today. One thing is certain, a change in government will most certainly mean an end to phony tears and endless apologies that are all but meaningless unless, like the activist types keep demanding - they are tied to some form of pay-out. It is little wonder those types are taking full advantage of the wimp in the PM's seat for their fortunes will change quickly once he and his SJW crew are finally driven from the seat of power.
 
Ron in Regina
+1
#114
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

A water bomber would have done a fine job of putting paid to the camp, Ron - better yet drop some fire retardant on them.


I meant that that Wascana Park is a beautifully lawned urban
wonder of green lushness except for that handful of acres that
the irregular campers are on which is just nasty. It needed that
24 or 36 hours of running the sprinklers full blast to try to bring
that piece of the park back to life like the rest of the Park. It was
a lost opportunity to try and salvage that area's park-like feel.
Last edited by Ron in Regina; 1 week ago at 09:20 PM..Reason: spacing
 
Ron in Regina
+2
#115
If Google Earth was current, you would see that
blemish from space. The "Keepers of the Earth"
did a piss poor job on this one, and we'll all pay
for this rehab to bring it back to where it was
pre-irregular campers.

Last edited by Ron in Regina; 1 week ago at 09:39 PM..Reason: spacing
 
Mowich
+2
#116
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

I meant that that Wascana Park is a beautifully lawned urban
wonder of green lushness except for that handful of acres that
the irregular campers are on which is just nasty. It needed that
24 or 36 hours of running the sprinklers full blast to try to bring
that piece of the park back to life like the rest of the Park. It was
a lost opportunity to try and salvage that area's park-like feel.


When I was a kid growing up on a farm just outside Regina, my parents would often take my sisters and I to Wascana Park, Ron. We'd make a day of it and would always visit the Royal Saskatchewan Museum. We swam in the lake and in the public pool. In my teens, I played tennis on the courts behind the Legislative Bldg. I was there the day they unveiled the statue of Louis Riel. I spent more than a few nights' watching the submarines' with my boyfriend in Wascana Park. My Mum sent me the coffee table book that detailed the Big Dig and I also have the documentary that was done on the project. Regina can be justly proud of the Park and I can well understand your feelings about it.
 
Ron in Regina
+2
#117
‘I am really upset:’ Video shows Trudeau meeting with Saskatchewan chiefs

LINK: https://www.cjme.com/2018/09/17/i-am...chewan-chiefs/

SASKATOON — A video posted online shows Prime Minister
Justin Trudeau telling chiefs he is upset about how time was
managed in a recent meeting with the Federation of Sovereign
Indigenous Nations.

Trudeau met with the Saskatchewan chiefs when he was in
Saskatoon for the Liberal Party’s annual caucus retreat last
week.

In the video which is around four minutes long, Trudeau says
the plan was to meet with about eight people for an hour-long
meeting. But many other people showed up and there wasn’t
time for everyone to speak.

Trudeau told FSIN Chief Bobby Cameron — “I am really, really
upset” — and said the meeting is not in the spirit of reconciliation.
The Prime Minister’s Office says in a statement that Trudeau was
unable to get through all the issues put forward in the meeting but
looks forward to connecting with First Nations leaders in
Saskatchewan in the future.

The FSIN says they are aware of the video and are preparing a
response.

Justin, tell them "Forthwith!" Forthwith I tell's ya!!!
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Mowich
+1
#118
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

‘I am really upset:’ Video shows Trudeau meeting with Saskatchewan chiefs

LINK: https://www.cjme.com/2018/09/17/i-am...chewan-chiefs/

SASKATOON — A video posted online shows Prime Minister
Justin Trudeau telling chiefs he is upset about how time was
managed in a recent meeting with the Federation of Sovereign
Indigenous Nations.

Trudeau met with the Saskatchewan chiefs when he was in
Saskatoon for the Liberal Party’s annual caucus retreat last
week.

In the video which is around four minutes long, Trudeau says
the plan was to meet with about eight people for an hour-long
meeting. But many other people showed up and there wasn’t
time for everyone to speak.

Trudeau told FSIN Chief Bobby Cameron — “I am really, really
upset” — and said the meeting is not in the spirit of reconciliation.
The Prime Minister’s Office says in a statement that Trudeau was
unable to get through all the issues put forward in the meeting but
looks forward to connecting with First Nations leaders in
Saskatchewan in the future.

The FSIN says they are aware of the video and are preparing a
response.

Justin, tell them "Forthwith!" Forthwith I tell's ya!!!


LOL............"The FSIN says they are aware of the video and are preparing a response." Well of course they are aware of it - one of them had to have taken it...........unless Trudeau had yet another turncoat in the room.
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#119
I guess FN don't believe in Oral history anymore they need to tape it.
 
Mowich
+1
#120
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

I guess FN don't believe in Oral history anymore they need to tape it.

 

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