Half of Canadians Want Refugees Deported


JLM
No Party Affiliation
#1591
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Why don't you just post a link and c/p a paragraph or two instead of boring us wit a long post with no reference whatsoever...
Nobody is interested in an unsubstantiated long rant like Waldo and B.S. post

You really think they are going to listen? Don't hold your breath!
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#1592
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Hussen on hot seat over spike in asylum seekers crossing border illegally

http://www.thepostmillennial.com/hus...der-illegally/


YOWZA!


Hussen is doing a bang-up job promoting all that immigration that Trudeau wanted.
 
EagleSmack
#1593
Canada warns TPS holders not to cross border illegally | Miami Herald

Libs are stuck!

Hey, Liberals, Is Canada Racist? Trudeau's Government Tells Illegal Aliens Don't Come Here

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothy...-dont-n2488947

I do not know about all of Canada... but Trudeau supporters seem to be.
 
spilledthebeer
#1594
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Canada warns TPS holders not to cross border illegally | Miami Herald

Libs are stuck!

Hey, Liberals, Is Canada Racist? Trudeau's Government Tells Illegal Aliens Don't Come Here

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothy...-dont-n2488947

I do not know about all of Canada... but Trudeau supporters seem to be.


Oh YES!!!!!!!! Trudeau supporters want to destroy what Soviet Stalinist supporter Pierre Trudeau called "Cdn Imperialism" and his idiot Boy Justin is working hard to do just that!





Here is an article that nicely illustrates the grotesque hypocrisy of LIE-berals and their less intelligent NDP cousins who so often say “Me Too” whenever idiotic LIE-beral policy is presented. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Third-party activist groups getting money from Summer Jobs grants

By Candice Malcolm. Published: May 30, 2018. Updated: May 30, 2018 8:31 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

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The Trudeau Liberals are using taxpayer dollars to fund political groups that use foreign funding to advance a leftist agenda in Canada. These controversial and divisive activist groups have received money from the federal government through the Canada Summer Jobs grant, the Sun has learned.

(NO surprise in such a situation! I hae said repeatedly that Our Pet- Pierre Trudeau and his idiot sons are all staunch Soviet style wannabe dictators! Pierre heaped fawning praise on Chinese chairman Mao for what Pierre referred to “as his genius in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows”! With Our idiot Boy chiming in decades later to tell us he “likes the way Chinese leaders get things done”! And idiot brother Sacha penned a gag inducing homage to his hero- the bloody handed Cuban Soviet style dictator Castro! Sacha saw fit to tell us that Castro was a great Trudeau family friend and “the greatest South American leader of the 20th century and far superior to others who were merely elected”!)

LeadNow is currently running a negative advertisement campaign against Ontario PC Leader Doug Ford. The Ontario branch of LeadNow is a registered third-party advertiser in the provincial campaign, and yet, it’s also receiving funding from the Trudeau government.

(I am certain that Leadnow will be running its patented attack ads on Conservative candidates in 2019 during the federal election! It is blatant interference by foreigners in our democracy and LIE-berals get great benefit from it! But if the shoe were on the other foot and it was LIE-berals being attacked by foreign political groups they would scream for the cops! The hypocrisy is STAGGERING!)

According to the Canada Summer Jobs website, LeadNow Society will receive two grants for its operations in British Columbia. Meanwhile, in Ontario, this group is running a nasty campaign that spreads false information about the Progressive Conservatives.

Their campaign claims that Ford will “engineer massive tax cuts for the rich, slash public services and make Ontario less safe for minorities.”

(And this Leadnow set of MASSIVE LIES MIGHT be part of the reason Ford went into the election with so limited a “plan”? The less he says- the less there is for Leadnow and others to LIE about! After all - other writers have exposed the LIE-beral fake news about how Ford might balance his books! LIE-berals tried their best to scare voters with LIES about how Ford would slash and burn his way through the province- and it was all IDLE SPECULATION from people with a PROVEN HISTORY of telling major lies about their own budgets- so how much stock should we put into their guesses about other people? I say NONE!)

(The shameless and deliberate LIE-beral fear mongering over the Ford agenda is a disgrace and a clear reason why LIE-berals lost!)

Ford has not pledged to cut taxes for wealthy Canadians nor has he proposed cutting public services. Much like his brother Rob Ford, Doug Ford has broad support among new Canadians and has a pluralistic slate of candidates.

LeadNow was named in an official complaint to Elections Canada that alleged foreign funding and foreign interference in the 2015 federal election campaign. That report alleged that the U.S-based Tides Foundation donated $1.5 million of U.S. funds to Canadian third-party groups.

(David Suzuki- the environmental hypocrite has admitted HIS Foundation has received several million dollars in recent years from Yankee “super pac” foundations! The smell of propaganda is STRONG with Suzuki!)

The Sun has also learned that Tides Canada will also receive two Canada Summer Jobs grants for its work in British Columbia.

(Isn’t that great? The Cdn Catholic Church will not lie about its values so it gets nothing and thus cannot run summer camps for kids this year. But a bunch of Foreign silver spoon socialists working AGAINST Cdn democracy can get multiple grants to be used to brainwash kids! It is a miracle Cdn democracy still functions at all!)

The San Francisco-based Tides Foundation has been engaged in a decade-long campaign against Canada’s energy industry. In 2008, they launched The Tar Sands Campaign with funds from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund – the billionaire U.S. oil barons who champion far-left activism.

(Isnt it ODD that Yankees seem to have so little to say about the California La Brea tar pits or those other tar pits in socialist Venezuela- but they are at war with Alberta tar sands!)

The goal of the Tides campaign is to smear the Canadian oil and gas sector, stigmatize Alberta as the poster child of dirty energy and, ultimately, to shut down Canada’s hydrocarbon industry.

(And- if Cdn oil went off the market what might happen to the price of the remaining supply of Yankee oil? Law of supply and demand says Yankee oil price goes UP! Its all about LIE-beral greed and the environment can go hang!)

According to a report by Canadian researcher Vivian Krause in the Financial Post, Tides spent more than $35 million funding nearly 100 anti-pipeline groups between 2009 and 2015.

The efforts of these American-funded groups have been directly responsible for the ongoing pipeline crisis in Canada; their campaigns have resulted in jobs losses for thousands of Canadians in the energy industry.

And yet, the Trudeau government is funding these leftist groups and their political campaigns to divide Canadians and destroy the backbone of our economy.

(Pierre Trudeau wrote that he wanted to “destroy Cdn Imperialism” and clearly his goal has been adopted by his idiot son Justin- with predictable results! Soaring debts, growing racial anger and frustration, trade wars with our closest allies when we should be working more closely, and all manner of lapses in our national security! It is no coincidence that the two biggest recent terror threats in Canada were thwarted by tips from FBI! I refer to the Muslims seeking to derail a Via passenger train off Highland Creek Bridge and the Aaron Driver business- where a radicalized Cdn blew himself up in a taxi as cops closed in!)

The Canada Summer Jobs grant program became controversial this year after the Trudeau government brought in a “values test” for would-be recipients.

(The LIE-beral”values test looks even dirtier when one finds that Muslim groups have accessed the grant money even though we know well that main stream Muslims decry gay rights and scorn standard Cdn civil rights for women! But its okay because the Quran specifically permits Muslims to LIE in defence of Islam- and getting free money from LIE-berals is definitely good defence!)

The Liberal government changed the long-standing program used to fund summer internships for Canadians of all backgrounds to a program with a Liberal political agenda. The new program requires organizations to sign an attestation pledging to adhere to Trudeau’s progressive values before they can receive funding.

(No doubt Our idiot Boy modelled his grants program on that of the Soviert Young Pioneers- were govt money was used to entertain and indoctrinate kids in the Soviet values!)

Because of this new requirement, a reported 1,500 organizations had their funding applications rejected.

Many Christian organizations have been rejected, including the Mustard Seed in Calgary – a homeless shelter and community rehabilitation centre that does not engage in political work or activism.

(AS a fine illustration of true LIE-beral values- one of the first acts of Our idiot Boy Justin after his election was to RESTORE funding to terror group Hamas- funding that was first offered by LIE-beral Jean Chretien! The funding was later killed by Stephen Harper- but the idiot Boy gave it back- while also running up debt faster than any other govt in Cdn history!)

Yet, left-wing political groups that support Liberal political values have managed to secure funding.

In addition to LeadNow and Tides, the left-wing Dogwood B.C. received a grant specifically to fund anti-pipeline activists. The online description for the job funded by taxpayers called for someone to “help our organizing network stop the Kinder Morgan pipeline.”

(One has to wonder at the idiot contradictions of LIE-beral policy! Our idiot Boy told us during the 2015 election that he wanted to shut down the entire Cdn oil patch forever- using carbon crap and trade taxes that will make oil so costly we cannot afford to use it any more! And yet here he is- BUYING that Kinder Morgan pipeline for ONLY $4.7 billion dollars! And idiot Boy swears the pipeline is an essential national interest for Canada! AND THEN he offers grant money to pipeline protestors! How DELIBERATELY confusing is his position?)

(Our idiot Boy swears the pipeline will be built- but if he believes it is REALLY so essential then why not clear the protestors out of the way and let Kinder Morgan get on with building it? Why use tax dollars when Kinder Morgan is willing to do the job for themselves?)

(UNLESS of course Our idiot Boy thinks he is being clever in buying the pipeline- and control of it as well? Is Our idiot Boy really so confused? Or is he a LIAR DELIBERATELY STALLING construction of the pipeline till AFTER the next election- at which time he hopes to KILL IT! Or- at worst he will use his control to put the operating cost up so high we cannot afford to use it! Just how much has Our idiot Boy learned from Ontari-owe LIE-berals about turning a public utility like Hydro into a vast gravy grabbing TAX MENACE?)

(Our idiot Boy is playing very dangerous long term games with our money and the economic futures of Cdn tax payers that are not yet even born!)
 
EagleSmack
#1595
As Asylum Seekers Head to Canada, Concerns Among the Local Indigenous Population Grow

http://psmag.com/social-justice/conf...asylum-seekers



Ahhhhhh... so that's how the Liberal government is doing it.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#1596
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

As Asylum Seekers Head to Canada, Concerns Among the Local Indigenous Population Grow

http://psmag.com/social-justice/conf...asylum-seekers



Ahhhhhh... so that's how the Liberal government is doing it.


Yes- natives have the same beef as our civil service union Hogs- that the ilegals are sucking up LIE-beral gravy that Hogs and natives want for themselves!
 
EagleSmack
+1
#1597
So now that Canada's First Nation/Indigenous people are against Syrian Immigrants... does that make them racist and islamaphobes?
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#1598
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

So now that Canada's First Nation/Indigenous people are against Syrian Immigrants... does that make them racist and islamaphobes?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Natives might be racists and Islamophobes?



Would any LIE-beral like to step up and try to answer that question?



Come on now!


Think of it as a rehearsal for the kind of questions you will be getting asked next year when the election rolls around!

Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Natives might be racists and Islamophobes?



Would any LIE-beral like to step up and try to answer that question?



Come on now!








Think of it as a rehearsal for the kind of questions you will be getting asked next year when the election rolls around!










And speaking of racists and loonie leftist silver spoon socialists- what of the curious friendship of Our idiot Boy Justin and that loonie tune Joshua Boyle who went to Afghanistan with his pregnant wife- apparently to support the Taliban or something!


NOBODY has yet explained HOW OR WHY Our idiot Boy Justin BECAME his pal!




Here is an article illustrating the highly questionable values and irrational judgement of Our idiot Boy Justin. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Trudeau's unforgivable audience with Joshua Boyle.

By Mark Bonokoski. Published: December 21, 2017. Updated: December 21, 2017 6:12 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

Canadians have the right to know whether Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is suddenly playing Crazy 8s with a euchre deck.

It’s a legitimate question.

(How else to explain Our idiot Boy taking any interest in Joshua Boyle? Other than to assume that Our idiot Boy slipped on ice and hit his head a while back and now thinks cuddling up to lunatic Boyle is a good thing?)

After all, what prime minister in his right mind would meet in his parliamentary office with a man who was once married to Zaynab Khadr, the infamous, jihad-endorsing sister of Guantanamo Bay poster boy and terrorist, Omar Khadr, now a rich former al-Qaeda bombmaker thanks to $10-plus million in taxpayers’ money for Canada not riding to his rescue soon enough?

(And with sister Zaynab Khadr recently detained at Cdn border where two computers “that she was only carrying for friends” were confiscated because they were loaded with info that worried Csis security staff! With brother Omar recently withdrawing his demand to be allowed free access to Zaynab- he is currently NOT allowed to meet her privately due to bail conditions! And Omar also wants unrestricted- meaning no longer supervised by Csis agents- access to the internet- and a cynic would quickly conclude that VILE Omar wants to get back into the family bomb making business- or at least to SELL his expertise to foreign buyers- either by direct internet communication or to upload his explosive expertise to the computers that Zaynab hopes to loan him- on behalf of “friends”! In any case- only a LIE-beral could fail to see something sinister in Khadr activities!)

That, alone, is a good enough reason for any PM to steer clear.

The Khadr family can hardly be considered friendlies.

(Our idiot Boy is on record as saying he does not read newspapers and relies on others to tell him when something important happens- shall we assume his handlers are becoming desperate as LIE-beral policy collapses in disgrace- and have stopped telling idiot Boy when he does idiot things? Maybe Our idiot Boy does not know Zaynab is so friendly with terrorists? Or maybe the truth is that Our idiot Boy APPROVES of Zaynab and her efforts to destroy what Pierre Trudope referred to as “Cdn Imperialism”? Is Our idiot Boy- the self professed friend of despicable dictator Castro- and self professed admirer of Chinese Communists really any friend of democracy and capitalism? Certainly such values as the Trudope family have displayed in the past would strongly suggest they are no friends of freedom, democracy or capitalism!)

Their (Khadr) Canadian citizenship is a ticket to free health care, and sanctuary when their pro-al-Qaeda adventures hit a snag, such as one son being paralysed at age 14 by a gunshot during a 2004 firefight with Pakistani forces in which his father was killed.

(Moma Khadr became infamous for her tirades against western infidels- including Cdns- but has mostly stopped giving interviews as her comments were attracting to much hostile attention while LIE-berals negotiated that disgraceful $10.5 million settlement for Omar!)

These histories are well documented.

Yet, there was Trudeau, sitting with the Canadian convert to Islam who was captured and held hostage by a Taliban-linked group while traipsing through Afghanistan with his pregnant wife.

(One has to wonder at the level of sanity of the Boyles? A Yankee and a Cdn traipsing through Afghanistan while western forces battled with Taliban. Al Qaida and other Muslim terror groups- how could these two innocents/idiots abroad possibly think they would not come to grief in such a battle zone? One has to think the Boyles are poster people for all those untreated loons who believe that tin foil hats will protect them from mind control rays! And the fact that Our idiot Boy wants to meet them makes me wonder if wife Sophie has taken Justin`s tin foil hat away and hidden it- for the sake of photo ops! WE do have evidence that Our idiot Boy shares the same vile family hatred of “Cdn Imperialism” as Papa Pierre called it!)

Not only that, the prime minister was holding on his lap the youngest child of Joshua Boyle and his American-born wife, Caitlan Coleman, so they could post the picture on their Twitter feed.

The only thing missing was Trudeau in a Santa outfit.

In a CTV story, Boyle said he had “been in Parliament many times, in various ways,” and that he had met Trudeau previously.

Does this not raise red flags?

(Yes- red flags about the twisted world view and muddled moral values of our vile idiot Boy! Pierre Trudope publicly praised Chinese Chairman Mao for “his genius in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows” merely to cement his political control over China! Most Cdns would want to distance themselves from a parent who advocated mass murder- especially in the name of a disgraced ideology like Communism but not Our idiot Boy! Justin has publicly stated that “he likes the way Chinese Communist Party gets things done”! And idiot brother Sacha has collaborated with Iranian propaganda meisters to make anti Israel and anti Yankee propaganda films! And Sacha was mocked by National Post for his infamous and gag inducing “love letter to Castro”! The whole family appears riddled with admiration for hard line Soviet style dictators!)

Boyle tweeted the previous meeting with Trudeau was in 2006 “over common interests, haha,” but gave no information on the “many times” and the “various ways” he had been on Parliament Hill, nor about what those “common interests” were.

The Prime Minister’s Office would only confirm the meeting earlier this week had transpired, that they were “relieved (the couple’s) terrible ordeal is over,” but would say no more “due to privacy considerations and respect for the family.”

It’s outrageous.

When Boyle and Coleman were released after five years of captivity, rescued by Pakistani commandos after being tipped to their whereabouts by the CIA, American intelligence publicly stated they had long suspected the two had entered Afghanistan with the desire to hook up with “Taliban-affiliated militants.”

Despite the length of their captivity, no ransom was ever demanded by their kidnappers.

When asked by ABC News following his rescue why he was in Afghanistan, Boyle refused to answer.

(The guy is such a TOTAL wack job he may simply not be able to explain coherently and has learned not to answer at all so he will not be laughed at?)

In another interview, Boyle said his relationship with Zaynab Khadr taught him not to judge a book by its cover.

(Yeah- just because she is a sworn supporter of jihad and has been married 3 times to Muslim gunmen- with all 3 having been shot to death by various security forces- and a prominent guest at her first wedding was Osama Bin Lauden- why would we judge her harshly?)

“Are there any of us honestly able to say that we’ve never uttered any phrases which, if they ran beside our name in the paper every month for five years, would paint an unflattering mental image in the public’s perception?” he asked.

“Let he without sin cast the first stone.”

(HAHAHAHA! Lets chose who gets to judge before we call it a sin- otherwise! Idiots who ought to be wearing tin foil hats while confined for their personal safety- so they do not run off to a war zone- will not have undue influence on that vote!)

Public perception? Married into the Khadr family, a convert presumably to their form of Islam, a trek later on into Afghanistan with a pregnant wife, being watched by terrorism intelligence operatives, supposedly captured by terrorists where his wife was allegedly raped, and yet no ransom demand.

(News media claim Boyle was born into a Mennonite family- switching to radical Islam sounds like a moral bending ideological stretch?)

No, nothing suspicious there.

So, while millions of Canadians would love a private audience with Justin Trudeau — after all, as his Disabilities Minister Kent Hehr put it, “Everyone has a sob story”— the prime minister has an unexplained meeting with Zaynab Khadr’s ex-husband, a man who is either as dumb as a post or as sly as a fox.

(And there is a bereaved Cdn father out there- whose son died in Afghanistan while fighting with Cdn forces- has tried and failed to get an audience with Our idiot Boy to discuss Muslim terror issues- and that shameless $10.5 million pay-out! Our idiot Boy WILL talk to a loon like Boyle but he has NO time for the father of a real patriot!)

Either way, the meeting is unforgivable.

markbonokoski at gmail
 
EagleSmack
+1
#1599
It does not seem like they are getting along to well.
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#1600
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

You really think they are going to listen? Don't hold your breath!

OMG between the shouting and the long-winded rubbish of unsubstantiated and insane opinionated, rants, spilledthebeer is destined to drive the majority of posters away.

Eaglesmack...at least our government listens to all refugees,and then send them home if they do not meet qualifications of immigrant status. It seems the fiasco you have as president simply arrests them at the border and abducts their children, sending them all over the country . Why bother with a trial or hearing, and of course it is all the fault of the previous government. I wonder when it will become "The Devil made me Do it"
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#1601
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Why don't you just post a link and c/p a paragraph or two instead of boring us wit a long post with no reference whatsoever...
Nobody is interested in an unsubstantiated long rant like Waldo and B.S. post

B.S. is just a little overwhelmed with his own perceived level of intelligence, although I wouldn't say is non existent is pretty tepid. As for Waldo and Spilled the Beer, there isn't any!
 
spilledthebeer
#1602
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

B.S. is just a little overwhelmed with his own perceived level of intelligence, although I wouldn't say is non existent is pretty tepid. As for Waldo and Spilled the Beer, there isn't any!




Here is yet another article illustrating the creeping Muslim cancer that LIE-berals are encouraging because they think it will enable them to cling to power at any price. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Council's newest social justice warrior promotes 'Islamophobia' agenda

BY Sue-Ann Levy. Published: January 25, 2018. Updated: January 25, 2018 9:52 AM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Tronto & GTA

Councillor Neethan Shan

TORONTO — We were already lectured about our alleged Islamophobic tendencies a little more than a year ago when controversial bus shelter ads were released during the first phase of a $400,000 ‘Toronto for All’ program.

(Yeah- dead broke Toronto LIE-berals think they have $400 grand to waste trying to persuade us not to worry about the stated Muslim intention to re-write much of our constitution to make it easier to impose Sharia Law and erase ALL civil rights of women and to make it ILLEGAL for us to complain about THEIR violent and racists inclinations! If Muslims had their way- LIE-berals would be donating our tax money to terror group Hamas! Oh- wait- they ALREADY ARE! Our idiot Boy Justin RESTORED funding to Hamas that had first been offered by LIE-beral Chretien - and that had been cut by Conservatives- to Hamas just as soon as he was elected!)

And, of course, there’s the very controversial M-103 anti-Islamophobia motion passed in the House of Commons last March.

(The Islamophobia “Motion” appears designed to be a weapon to be used to SILENCE ANY critic of ANY LIE-beral policy- and there ARE A LOT of critics! And nobody has explained why we should support anti white Muslim radicals over Israeli citizens who do not wish to hurt us for any religious reasons!)

Now council’s newest social justice warrior, Councillor Neethan Shan, wants to lecture us about Islamophobia again.

Shan, a heavily union-backed NDPer who came to council via trustee roles on the Toronto District and York Region school boards, intends to put forward a motion at council next week designating Jan. 29 as a “Day of Remembrance and Action on Islamophobia.”

That day marks the first anniversary of the tragic shooting at the Islamic Cultural Centre, a mosque in Quebec City. A lone gunman opened fire while people were gathered to pray, killing six and injuring 19.

It did not escape my attention that council doesn’t meet until Jan. 31, two days after the proposed day against Islamophobia but perhaps the councillor is thinking ahead to next year.

Shan didn’t respond to numerous requests for comment Wednesday.

(Yes- I would suggest that the chickens on city council do not want to spend the next year listening to people bitch about their pro Muslim bigotry- as the municipal election draws ever closer! LIE-berals are so much more comfortable with something slipped under the radar that they can later CLAIM has majority support even when it does not!)

But in a statement issued by his office, he says this tragic event is the time to come together to “reject hate and bigotry in all forms.

“The national tragedy that occurred last January should serve to remind us all of the impact that Islamophobia, racism and bigotry can have on the lives of people,” he said, noting this is an opportunity to take action against “Islamophobia and Islamophobic violence” in the city and the country.

Hmmm. I shouldn’t be the least bit surprised that council’s newest SJW would come up with another way to prop up his almost singular focus on those he perceives to be “racialized and oppressed.” One wonders when he actually does the real boring work of a city councillor.

Torontonians aren’t Islamophobic

After all, this is the same guy — who along with his sister-in-arms Kristyn Wong-Tam at council last fall — tried to push for the city clerk’s office to come up with a made-in-Toronto policy on when and how to recognize massacres and genocides.

For one thing, Torontonians aren’t Islamophobic. Nor are Canadians.

(Shouldn’t these anti white bigots be focussed on fixing potholes and replacing worn out water pipe before whole neighborhoods get flooded yet again?)

But if Shan is so worried about hate and bigotry in all forms- not to mention genocides- why not a Day of Remembrance and Action on hate crimes against LGBTQ people, Yazidis, Jews, people with disabilities, Indigenous, blacks, Christians, Catholics, Hindus and to truly embrace those who feel oppressed, let’s throw in those who are weight-, height- and follicle-challenged.

Perhaps I’m being cheeky with the last two categories but there is a mounting backlash in the city against the motion for precisely that fact– namely that it singles out one group for attention.

Jewish community activist Vivienne Ziner has posted a petition on social media against the motion because she feels it is “discriminatory and racist” to highlight one lone group. “Stop making one group more important than all the others,” she said Wednesday. “It’s divisive and it’s creating a problem where there isn’t one.”

(Oh but LIE-berals see a chance to BUY Votes by creating the problem and keeping LIE-beral places open on the gravy train is more important than the bigotry and hostility they are creating!)

B’nai Brith Canada CEO Michael Mostyn agrees, noting that racism affects many communities and it is never “appropriate to elevate the suffering of one group” over another.

He said to do so “risks entrenching racial divisions and social discord in Canadian society” over time.

(Of course- one has only to look at the array of criminals with serious outstanding arrest warrants that Black Lives Matter Bigots want to defend! At this point lots of white people are leary of any Black for fear of encountering ridiculous and radical behaviour! BLM is not creating a free new society- rather they are creating suspicion and substantial ill will by their bigotry!)

Robert Walker, president of Hasbara Fellowships, an on-campus Jewish advocacy group, says since Jews are 4 1/2 times more likely to be the target of hate crimes than Muslims, a day opposing hate should be an “inclusive day opposed to all forms of hatred.”

“But if Councillor Shan is intent on singling out one group for special mention as hate crime victims, why not the Jews, the number one target,” he said. “Why the cherry picking?”

(Our society is infected with a creeping anti white cancer- spiced with a virulent version of radical socialism- and Jews are white therefore they have incurred Black and Muslim wrath!)
 
EagleSmack
+2
#1603
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post


Eaglesmack...at least our government listens to all refugees,and then send them home if they do not meet qualifications of immigrant status. It seems the fiasco you have as president simply arrests them at the border and abducts their children, sending them all over the country . Why bother with a trial or hearing, and of course it is all the fault of the previous government. I wonder when it will become "The Devil made me Do it"

Your government arrests them at the border as well. Canada turns them away at official border crossings and arrests them when they cross at unofficial crossings.
 
spilledthebeer
#1604
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Your government arrests them at the border as well. Canada turns them away at official border crossings and arrests them when they cross at unofficial crossings.


Poor silly little bluebyrd- her feathers re STILL all riled and ruffled by all the negative attention that LIE-berals are attracting!



Telling people not to be angry with LIE-berals is like training flies to stay away from sh+t!


All LIE-beral policy is collapsing! Trump is determined to control immigration and he is prepared to rip up NAFTA if Our idiot Boy Justin does not get on side!


The truly scary fact in all this is that NDP policy is even less palatable than the LIE-beral version! NDPers are of course the less intelligent cousins of LIE-berals!






Here is an article illustrating that Cdns have a great deal MORE to worry about than some ill defined Islamophobia! And although the Ontari-owe election is over- the festering problems and political madness remain! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Another day, another round of hypocrisy

By Sue-Ann Levy. Published: June 1, 2018. Updated: June 1, 2018 8:03 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Toronto & GTA

First she directed her ire at Liberal leader Kathleen Wynne for not handling an apparent issue between former Liberal cabinet minister Glen Murray and the mayor of Caledon.

Then NDP leader Andrea Horwath put PC leader Doug Ford in her crosshairs — claiming he has “failed the test of leadership” for refusing to release a fully costed platform and for refusing to “come clean” on the “multiple nomination scandals” and the 407 data breach.

“For everyone who wants to clean up politics, I invite you to vote for us,” she told the media Friday morning. “Change for the better means cleaning up politics once and for all.”

The best was when Horwath contended she was “disappointed” the focus in this election has gotten so “off track into mudslinging” instead of the issues people care about — immediately after she’d flung a dumptruck of mud at both Wynne and Ford.

Oh my how the N-Dippers are irony-challenged.

(And our election has descended into low farce as LIE-beral Wynne-bag- she of the endless scandals and “creative accounting” that turns budget deficits into surpluses- would be the one to point out that the NDP fiscal plan has a serious hole in it- to the tune of nearly $7 billion dollars over the 4 year term! And that is WITHOUT considering the cost of turning all of Ontari-owe into a “sanctuary province” as NDPers have just told us they will! And counting the cost of all those swarming illegals is difficult to do since LIE-berals at all levels of govt are already doing such a fine job of HIDING the numbers- both of dollars spent and actual numbers of illegals who have arrived here! But we CAN be sure the REAL numbers will come out at some point AFTER Our idiot Boy Justin starts issuing blanket amnesties to “reduce the backlog” and to ensure the illegals will have a chance to properly show their appreciation for LIE-berals at the 2019 federal election! )

Another morning in denial, this time in the small, hot campaign office of her Don Valley West candidate Amara Possian, who flanked Horwath as she spoke, along with another frumpy NDP rent-a-crowd, ready to obediently clap and nod on cue.

At one point — my hair about to stand on end — I told her I found it just a “bit rich” that she was complaining about Wynne and Ford and raising the idea of “integrity” when she’s absolutely refused to acknowledge she has a problem with at least a dozen radical candidates — let alone deal with them.

(And of course there is every reason to believe that federal NDP airhead Jagmeet Singh is hiding a similar collection of anti white and anti west LOONS as well!)

I hate to sound like a broken record but Horwath’s hypocrisy is beyond appalling.

For nearly two weeks now, she has deflected and tap danced around the fact that she has a posse of controversial candidates running for the NDP — ones that have posted Hitler memes on Facebook- Tasleem Riaz denied doing so; who’ve been arrested for civil disobedience and advocate obstruction, boycotts and land seizure as part of what is described as “peaceful” protest- Jessica Bell; candidates who hate poppies- Laura Kaminker and Jan Johnstone; who have been hostile toward Israel- Joel Harden, Johnstone, Diane Ballantyne and Rima Berns McGown and who have been hostile toward police- Jill Andrew and Gurratan Singh.

“On the contrary I’m very much confident in the candidates I have,” Horwath said, feigning a smile and refusing to look at me.

(I have no doubt Horvath IS confident in the candidates- one cannot become leader of NDP without having a very cockeyed world view to share with the rank and file airheads! NDP values and judgement are on full view here and its ALL QUESTIONABLE! From their hatred of Israel, to their loathing of any company that makes a profit, to their utterly muddled environmental and economic plans which demand that the Kinder Morgan pipeline be built right before carbon crap and trade taxes KILL the Alberta oil patch! NDP logic is NO logic and Horvath is simply following federal NDPer Mulcaire down Alice`s rabbit hole! Mulcaire told us in 2015 that he wanted to make major investments in auto industry to save jobs and he supported carbon crap and trade taxes that would kill off car sales! Irony challenged INDEED! And replacement airhead Jagmeet Singh has only made two responses to Muclaire policy- Signh has either said “me too” or he has said “ we should spend even MORE”!)

“They are committed to our vision and to our platform,” she said, adding none of her candidates are the subject of a police investigation.

The police aside, I asked her about fellow Hamilton NDP candidates Paul Millar and Monique Taylor, both the subject of Human Rights Tribunal complaints by employees who claim they were “bullied” and harassed while working for them — even though the NDP purports to champion the rights of unionized workers.

(Yes- the issue of union rights arose when some guy dared to actually take the parental maternity leave that NDPers have championed- the guy went off for 10 months to help his spouse- the new Mom- and in return got a bunch of nasty e-mails about just how NOT dedicated to his job he looked! Do as we say not as we do is NDP mantra! NDPers do love being irony challenged!)

“There are ongoing processes that deal with those particular issues and as those processes wrap and recommendations are made, I will simply be following them,” she said, grimacing as she answered.

(And would a CEO of a private organization be allowed to dismiss such problems in so cavalier a way? NDPers claim the right to champion the rights of all workers no matter the cost- except, apparently, for the ones working in their party offices!)

Look, I’m not at all surprised with the way Horwath has handled- or should I say mishandled- the revelations.

Aside from her lack of intestinal fortitude, it has been my experience covering politics at both City Hall and Queen’s Park for nearly two decades that the N-Dippers are the most sanctimonious, unaccountable, humourless and intolerant group going. Never mind their reckless spending habits, their disdain for the taxpayer and their “do as I say, not as I do” attitudes.

Still this tap-dancing woman could be our next Premier and her Rogue’s Gallery of MPP-wannabes her Cabinet.

It’s truly a frightening thought.

(NDPers are the less shrewd, less cunning and definitely lacking in low guile cousins of LIE-berals! An NDPer is simply a LIE-beral with even more greed and bias and even less common sense! The Bob (BOOB!) Rae Ndp Ontari-owe debacle was not an aberration- it was BUSINESS AS NORMAL for NDPers!)
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#1605
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Your government arrests them at the border as well. Canada turns them away at official border crossings and arrests them when they cross at unofficial crossings.

Yes it does because "to cross the border is illegal" in both countries. However, in Canada we do not separate families and we do give them a chance to state their case before making a decison as to whether or not the situation allows them to stay. Furthermore our country is smaller and the influx of immigrants is a greater per capita, than those entering the US. The burden for us is heavier than for the US.

As for arresting people at the border, it is generally Canadians who are arrested at our borders, because they are attempting to import things illegally. Americans and other nationals are generally sent back to their home countries.

By the way, this marvellous solution, implemented by Trump,has not deterred immgrants from fleeing to the American border which in fact has increased by 5%.

Spilledthebeer......Trynot buying the beer in the first place.
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petros
+1
#1606
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post


Eaglesmack...at least our government listens to all refugees,and then send them home if they do not meet qualifications of immigrant status. It seems the fiasco you have as president simply arrests them at the border and abducts their children, sending them all over the country . Why bother with a trial or hearing, and of course it is all the fault of the previous government. I wonder when it will become "The Devil made me Do it"

Where did you get that crazy idea?
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#1607
From living close to Hemmingford border crossing. Here is one source of some of the rules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illega...tion_to_Canada
 
EagleSmack
+1
#1608
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

Yes it does because "to cross the border is illegal" in both countries.

WHOA!

There is a lil bit of Trump in every Canadian these days I tell ya!

Quote:

However, in Canada we do not separate families and we do give them a chance to state their case before making a decison as to whether or not the situation allows them to stay.

Yeah... you just lock them up in prisons and detention camps. An hour of sunlight isn't so bad eh?

Quote:

Furthermore our country is smaller and the influx of immigrants is a greater per capita, than those entering the US. The burden for us is heavier than for the US.

Nay Nay... Canada is ranked 2nd in land mass. Time to spread out.

Quote:

As for arresting people at the border, it is generally Canadians who are arrested at our borders, because they are attempting to import things illegally. Americans and other nationals are generally sent back to their home countries.

EVERY migrant crossing into Canada in places other than an official border crossing is arrested.

Quote:

By the way, this marvellous solution, implemented by Trump,has not deterred immgrants from fleeing to the American border which in fact has increased by 5%.

Possibly so. That includes the thousands that are just passing through to Canada.

And the Trudeau Government's plan to stop migrants from crossing has failed. I guess it is time to open up your official border crossings then eh.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#1609
The families are not being separated in Canada because they are not being charged for illegal entry, but they are being detained until their claim is finalized.

RCMP not charging asylum seekers for illegal entry into Canada
 
petros
#1610
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

From living close to Hemmingford border crossing. Here is one source of some of the rules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illega...tion_to_Canada

The legal way.

Is anyone going the legal route being arrested and interned?

Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

The families are not being separated in Canada because they are not being charged for illegal entry, but they are being detained until their claim is finalized.

RCMP not charging asylum seekers for illegal entry into Canada

85% are rejected and deported.
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#1611
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

The legal way.

Is anyone going the legal route being arrested and interned?



85% are rejected and deported.

The link I gave you was for:illegal immigration And 85% of illegals rejected & deported are those who's lives are not threatened or they have a criminal background and could cause a danger to Canada. This is what our law provides.
 
petros
+1
#1612
Right and they aren't greeted with love and you should know that because you live near a border crossing.

Even at a Port of Entry they get turned away and they are part of the 85% rejected without a hearing.
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#1613
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

WHOA!

There is a lil bit of Trump in every Canadian these days I tell ya!



Yeah... you just lock them up in prisons and detention camps. An hour of sunlight isn't so bad eh?



Nay Nay... Canada is ranked 2nd in land mass. Time to spread out.



EVERY migrant crossing into Canada in places other than an official border crossing is arrested.



Possibly so. That includes the thousands that are just passing through to Canada.

And the Trudeau Government's plan to stop migrants from crossing has failed. I guess it is time to open up your official border crossings then eh.

Damn but you can get things really twisted can't you. l. Yes we have a huge land mass most of which is not inhabited and 2. of course they are arrested when they sneak over the border. 3, These are arrested and given shelter until they are screened and either accepted or deported. 4. how can you charge people who have nothing??

Legal immigration goes on as it always has. These have applied and have been approved before they arrive and are not arrested nor put in detention.

We have many legal ports of entry into Canada and I go through one or another many times a year. Those who enter illegally MUST be in fear of their lives. No country in the world allows entry into the country without some kind of reasonable verification of who they are and what their purpose for entry is. We do not take away their chidren and simply toss then into jail until they go through processing. We either keep the family if approved or send them all back.

By the way have you heard about the nursing baby that was separated from it's mother?
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petros
+1
#1614
Try snowmobiling, hiking, quading, boating anywhere you think is nowhere and you'd shit at how fast RCMP, CBSA ICE or HLS appear to keep you in Canada or the US.

RCMP, CBSA, HLS/ICE are allowed to cross either way and nab ya.

But living near a border you know this or do you?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#1615
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

Yes it does because "to cross the border is illegal" in both countries. However, in Canada we do not separate families and we do give them a chance to state their case before making a decison as to whether or not the situation allows them to stay. Furthermore our country is smaller and the influx of immigrants is a greater per capita, than those entering the US. The burden for us is heavier than for the US.

As for arresting people at the border, it is generally Canadians who are arrested at our borders, because they are attempting to import things illegally. Americans and other nationals are generally sent back to their home countries.

By the way, this marvellous solution, implemented by Trump,has not deterred immgrants from fleeing to the American border which in fact has increased by 5%.

Spilledthebeer......Trynot buying the beer in the first place.

Why should they get to state their case . They are butting in line and should be sent packing back to where they came from . Children and all .
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#1616
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Try snowmobiling, hiking, quading, boating anywhere you think is nowhere and you'd shit at how fast RCMP, CBSA ICE or HLS appear to keep you in Canada or the US.

RCMP, CBSA, HLS/ICE are allowed to cross either way and nab ya.

But living near a border you know this or do you?

Good grief and this has what to do with how illegal immigrants are treated in either the US or Canada?

Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Why should they get to state their case . They are butting in line and should be sent packing back to where they came from . Children and all .

Yes of course ......But this policy is in place for where lives are in danger and is not meant to be used to avoid regular procedures for entering Canada. It is why so many of those illegals are returned and told to apply through the proper channels for coming to Canada.

Remember 85% are sent back. It seems that 15% are legitimately in need of sanctuary.
Last edited by bluebyrd35; Jun 18th, 2018 at 11:53 PM..
 
spilledthebeer
#1617
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

The legal way.

Is anyone going the legal route being arrested and interned?



85% are rejected and deported.


The LOON tells us that 85 percent of illegals who came to Canada are rejected and sent back home?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If our LIE-beral overlords actually DID reject and dispose of 85 percent of illegals then Our idiot Boy Justin would NOT be looking at the latest polls that tell him if an election were held tomorrow then he would not be P.M. and LIE-berals would NOT form the next govt!


At current rates it would BE A GROSS LIE TO SAY THAT EVEN TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF ILLEGALS ARE SENT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!


The latest govt report- which happens to be many months old- which both our LIE-beral overlords and their tame media lap dogs do not want to discuss with us - suggest that the REJECTION RATE of illegals is- at this time- significantly UNDER TEN PERCENT!



With the added bonus that rejected immigrants have a nasty habit of LYING about who they are and where they came from which means they CANNOT be deported till LIE-berals can locate a foreign govt that will actually claim the rejects as being theirs!


In other words- when it comes to handling illegals- LIE-berals have all the grace and cunning and social responsibility of your typical crazy cat lady!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#1618
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

The LOON tells us that 85 percent of illegals who came to Canada are rejected and sent back home?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If our LIE-beral overlords actually DID reject and dispose of 85 percent of illegals then Our idiot Boy Justin would NOT be looking at the latest polls that tell him if an election were held tomorrow then he would not be P.M. and LIE-berals would NOT form the next govt!


At current rates it would BE A GROSS LIE TO SAY THAT EVEN TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF ILLEGALS ARE SENT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!


The latest govt report- which happens to be many months old- which both our LIE-beral overlords and their tame media lap dogs do not want to discuss with us - suggest that the REJECTION RATE of illegals is- at this time- significantly UNDER TEN PERCENT!



With the added bonus that rejected immigrants have a nasty habit of LYING about who they are and where they came from which means they CANNOT be deported till LIE-berals can locate a foreign govt that will actually claim the rejects as being theirs!


In other words- when it comes to handling illegals- LIE-berals have all the grace and cunning and social responsibility of your typical crazy cat lady!

The posts that have the most impact are generally 3 sentences or fewer.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#1619
Hey Eaglesmack check this out Canada to do a report on U.S. treatment of asylum seekers

Canada tracking Trump's border crackdown to see if U.S. remains safe for asylum seekers

Canada is monitoring the impact of U.S. President Donald Trump's "zero-tolerance" migrant policy — which has led to the forcible detention of thousands of children — to determine if the U.S. remains a safe country for asylum seekers.

Global outrage is growing over Trump's hardline approach to people crossing illegally into the U.S. from Mexico — a policy that puts adults through the criminal justice system while sending their children to detention camps. The Trump administration also has eliminated the option of citing a risk of domestic or gang violence as grounds to seek protection.
Critics are calling on Canada to urgently respond by suspending the Safe Third Country Agreement (STCA) with the United States, but Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen said the government will analyze the situation to determine the impact of the Trump administration's policy on due process, appeals rights and migrants' ability to make asylum claims.

"We have to see the impact of these changes on the domestic asylum system in the U.S. to see whether the U.S. continues to meet its obligations, not just to the international community, but also to the Safe Third Country Agreement," he said.
Hussen said that ongoing analysis is being carried out by both countries, as well as the UN's refugee agency. He said he could not provide any time frame for the review. In past, the minister has said the 14-year-old agreement — which requires that migrants crossing the Canada/U.S. border make their refugee claims in the first "safe" country they come to, whether it's Canada or the U.S. — is working in Canada's interests but should be modernized.
According to data provided to CBC News by Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, 1,949 asylum seekers were turned back at official border points in 2017 — refused entry to Canada under the STCA.
That's up dramatically from previous years. In 2016, 731 were refused; in 2015, 418 were turned away and in 2014 just 456 were denied entry.

Fearful fleeing Trump

"The jump in numbers means that individuals are genuinely, legitimately and justifiably afraid about how they will be treated and about whether they will be given due process under the Trump administration's regime," said Aris Daghighian, a refugee lawyer and executive member of the Canadian Refugee Lawyers Association.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) confirmed on the weekend that nearly 2,000 migrant children were separated from their families between April 19 and May 31, when the Trump administration was cracking down on illegal immigration along the U.S.-Mexico border.
The UN has said separating families amounts to an "arbitrary and unlawful" interference in family life and calls it a "serious violation" of the rights of children.
Despite international outrage and condemnation, Trump defended the practice today.
"The United States will not be a migrant camp and it will not be a refugee-holding facility," he said.
Daghighian said it's clear the U.S. is not meeting its international obligations on refugees, human rights and rights of the child, and that Canada should not be its immigration partner under the STCA.
"The problem here now is that both the conditions of detention — subjecting individuals to cruel and unusual separation from their children — but also the grounds for which the U.S. is willing to offer protection are being severely limited," he said. "So in that way, Canada can't be confident that the U.S. will abide by its international obligations that it will provide protection to these individuals under a fair process."

Failing to denounce the U.S. and shred the agreement would amount to a departure from Canada's record of leading on humanitarian issues and would send the wrong message to the world, Daghighian said.

Moral, legal obligations

"It would say that, for political reasons, or for reasons to do with the current trade negotiations, we're willing to give up some of our most fundamental values, our moral obligations and our legal obligations."
While Canada deals in much smaller numbers, this country does hold children in immigration detention centres. Statistics from the Canada Border Services Agency show that 150 minors (aged under 1 were detained with a parent or guardian over a nine-month period that ended Dec. 31, 2017, and another five were held unaccompanied.
In November 2017, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale issued a directive on the treatment of minors in Canada's immigration detention system. It said that, "as much as humanly possible," children must be kept out of detention and with their families.
Citing the best interests of the child as its primary consideration, the directive said alternatives to detention must be considered, such as cash or performance bonds and community supervision.
NDP immigration critic Jenny Kwan said the developments south of the border underscore the fact that the U.S. is no longer a 'safe third country'.
She called it "astounding" that the Liberal government would consider keeping Canada in an agreement with a country that is flagrantly flouting international law on the rights of refugees and children.
"If we continue on with the status quo in the face of this inhumane development, then Canada is complicit to the situation," she said.
Asked today if Canada can still consider the U.S. a safe country in light of the crackdown, Transport Minister Marc Garneau, chair of the cabinet committee on U.S. relations, said: "Of course we can."

JT is going to show Trump who has the real power in North America
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#1620
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

The LOON tells us that 85 percent of illegals who came to Canada are rejected and sent back home?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If our LIE-beral overlords actually DID reject and dispose of 85 percent of illegals then Our idiot Boy Justin would NOT be looking at the latest polls that tell him if an election were held tomorrow then he would not be P.M. and LIE-berals would NOT form the next govt!


At current rates it would BE A GROSS LIE TO SAY THAT EVEN TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF ILLEGALS ARE SENT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!


The latest govt report- which happens to be many months old- which both our LIE-beral overlords and their tame media lap dogs do not want to discuss with us - suggest that the REJECTION RATE of illegals is- at this time- significantly UNDER TEN PERCENT!



With the added bonus that rejected immigrants have a nasty habit of LYING about who they are and where they came from which means they CANNOT be deported till LIE-berals can locate a foreign govt that will actually claim the rejects as being theirs!


In other words- when it comes to handling illegals- LIE-berals have all the grace and cunning and social responsibility of your typical crazy cat lady!

What an idiotic response. First the 85% figure is what Petros posted, Of course like you, Petros does not give the origin of his figures either. When you begin to do a little research and not simply assume, you might not look so stupid.

It tickles me .........one person post figures with no references and., it is another dumbkoff who doesn't give references takes exception. Hilarious!!