U.S. lawmakers take more shots at Canadian healthcare


Francis2004
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U.S. lawmakers take more shots at Canadian healthcare


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WASHINGTON Throughout the long and divisive debate about health-care reform in the United States, Canada's health-care system has often served as a popular punching bag for both Republicans openly swinging at it and Democrats ducking from any suggestion that Canadian-style reform is in the cards.

It came in for another drubbing this week, just days before a likely vote on a sweeping reform bill this weekend in the U.S. House of Representatives.

This time the attack came from Dick Morris, a renowned political strategist who was once one of Bill Clinton's closest advisers, in an opinion piece entitled "Canada's Healthcare Disaster." The column was published earlier this week in The Hill, a widely read congressional newspaper in Washington, and has since shown up on various political blogs and websites.

In the piece, Morris makes unsubstantiated claims that Canadian doctors are deserting the profession after "more than a decade of public health care with mandatory coverage."

Unions "control the entire health-care process" in Canada, he added. In Manitoba, he wrote, they're to blame for long wait lists since they refuse to allow procedures to be scheduled on nights or weekends.

"The unions are doing to health care in Canada what they have done to education in America - stifling creativity, reinforcing bureaucracy and extending waiting times."

Morris did not respond to requests for an interview on Thursday, but his piece is nothing new in the United States in recent months. It echoes attacks on Canada's health-care system that have come from all quarters: politicians, conservative pundits and even the CEO of Whole Foods, who wrote in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece that 830,000 Canadians are waiting to be admitted to hospital or to get treatment.

"I know enough about Canadian care, and I know this bureaucratic, socialized piece of crap they have up there," Louie Gohmert, a Republican congressman from Texas, told Congress over the summer.

"One in five have to die because they went to socialized medicine."

Another Republican congressman suggested Canada doesn't care about old people.

"Life is precious," Georgia's Paul Broun said. "Some would say: 'Well, she's 85 years of age; we should just let her die.' And that's exactly what's going on in Canada and Great Britain today. They don't have the appreciation of life as we do in our society, evidently."

Chris Sands, a Canada-U.S. relations expert at the Hudson Institute in Washington, said Americans are in a period of great uncertainty about health-care reform, so it's not surprising some are looking north to either understand public health care or to demonize it.

"We're in a time when everyone is throwing out theoretical ideas based on what they think they know, and Canada is the great social experiment, it's a laboratory for reform," he said Thursday.

"The problem is we, as Americans, don't know an awful lot about Canada and so we're vulnerable to the demagoguery. Some of us know Canadians and say: 'Hey, Canadians have done this, and they seem healthy, and so it must work.' But others don't. The important thing is to make sure we're having an accurate and intelligent debate, and sometimes that hasn't been happening."

Morris is a political consultant and Fox News commentator who worked mostly with Republicans before becoming one of Clinton's most trusted advisers.

He was Clinton's campaign manager during the former president's successful bid for re-election in 1996, but Morris's tenure was cut short two months before the vote when it was revealed he'd allowed a prostitute to listen in on conversations he was having with the commander-in-chief.

He's since become a harsh foe of both Bill and Hillary Clinton, writing books critical of them.

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I know Canada's Health Care system is not perfect but where does one get such information ?

Do Canadian feel like these comments represent their Health Care system ?

I certainly do not feel like my BC Health Care is represented in this light..

Why is it that each time the US talks about Health Care it must drag in Canada or anyone else at that. Can they not build a system of their own to meets their needs to properly cover those not protected by health insurance ?
 
Risus
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US lawmakers can take their heads and shove them up their butt.
 
gerryh
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really? Americans taking pot shots at Canada? Tell me it isnt so.
 
Francis2004
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

really? Americans taking pot shots at Canada? Tell me it isnt so.

I know.. Amazed me as well
 
AnnaG
#5
Dick Morris:

CANADA’S HEALTHCARE DISASTER at DickMorris.com

Unfortunately, DICK doesn't mention where he gets his info from.
 
TenPenny
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I am always amazed at the ability of commentators to spew utter bull**** about another country, and keep a straight face.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

I am always amazed at the ability of commentators to spew utter bull**** about another country, and keep a straight face.

I read the article and I wouldn't characterize it as "utter bull****. I'm not sure how much of it is true but I did see a couple of truths. There ARE problems with our healthcare system (as much as we hate to admit it) It's obviously underfunded for what the majority of the population demands and it doesn't deal well with people who are in agony awaiting such things as joint replacements.
 
Liberalman
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The Americans that need healthcare are uneducated and are the most gullable.

American HMO's are greedy and are gouging the American people.

Drugmakers are charging more for drugs in America than they sell to other countries that have government healthcare.

If America adopted the Canadian Healthcare as is the quality of life of all Americans would be raised by a thousand percent.
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

really? Americans taking pot shots at Canada? Tell me it isnt so.


Under the free trade agreement, they're allowed to take pot shots, then charge us for the ammo.

Only fair. Eh.

 
Niflmir
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Quote:

"The unions are doing to health care in Canada what they have done to education in America - stifling creativity, reinforcing bureaucracy and extending waiting times."

Wait times... in education? Also, I don't want a creative answer to my multiple choice question,
Quote:

"The answer to question 3 was f."

"But teacher there is only a, b or c?"

On top of that, it has been shown in other places that our bureaucratic health care is a lot cheaper than their private health care. So, how is bureaucracy bad?
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I read the article and I wouldn't characterize it as "utter bull****. I'm not sure how much of it is true but I did see a couple of truths. There ARE problems with our healthcare system (as much as we hate to admit it) It's obviously underfunded for what the majority of the population demands and it doesn't deal well with people who are in agony awaiting such things as joint replacements.

Any article with this in it must bebull****e. One in five die because of socialized medicine? We don't care about old people?



"I know enough about Canadian care, and I know this bureaucratic, socialized piece of crap they have up there," Louie Gohmert, a Republican congressman from Texas, told Congress over the summer.

"One in five have to die because they went to socialized medicine."

Another Republican congressman suggested Canada doesn't care about old people.

"Life is precious," Georgia's Paul Broun said. "Some would say: 'Well, she's 85 years of age; we should just let her die.' And that's exactly what's going on in Canada and Great Britain today. They don't have the appreciation of life as we do in our society, evidently."
 
Niflmir
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

Any article with this in it must bebull****e. One in five die because of socialized medicine? We don't care about old people?



"I know enough about Canadian care, and I know this bureaucratic, socialized piece of crap they have up there," Louie Gohmert, a Republican congressman from Texas, told Congress over the summer.

"One in five have to die because they went to socialized medicine."

Another Republican congressman suggested Canada doesn't care about old people.

"Life is precious," Georgia's Paul Broun said. "Some would say: 'Well, she's 85 years of age; we should just let her die.' And that's exactly what's going on in Canada and Great Britain today. They don't have the appreciation of life as we do in our society, evidently."

In the time it takes to explain what the truth is, the lie has travelled all the way around the world.

Of course our health care has problems, what exists which cannot be improved. The issue is that nobody ever wants to talk about what is good, and so people are pretty sour in Canada about a fairly good health care system.
 
Francis2004
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Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

In the time it takes to explain what the truth is, the lie has travelled all the way around the world.

Of course our health care has problems, what exists which cannot be improved. The issue is that nobody ever wants to talk about what is good, and so people are pretty sour in Canada about a fairly good health care system.

There is no perfect system, but I will gladly work with what we have today and move forward..

To say Canada and Britain rather have elderly folks die is grim and could be compared to the US letting children die in poverty. Its all in the eye of the beholder and can be misconstrued to meets ones agenda.

Lies always seem to move like lighting and truth like molasses. Isn't it wonderful..
 
Niflmir
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Quote: Originally Posted by Francis2004 View Post

There is no perfect system, but I will gladly work with what we have today and move forward..

To say Canada and Britain rather have elderly folks die is grim and could be compared to the US letting children die in poverty. Its all in the eye of the beholder and can be misconstrued to meets ones agenda.

Lies always seem to move like lighting and truth like molasses. Isn't it wonderful..

I think the proper response, when people say we let the elderly die, is to look them straight in the eye, and say:

"Oh my, no! We prefer to let the young ones die. Their parents are still around to make more."
 
AnnaG
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"
U.S. lawmakers take more shots at Canadian healthcare"

Who cares?
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

I think the proper response, when people say we let the elderly die, is to look them straight in the eye, and say:

"Oh my, no! We prefer to let the young ones die. Their parents are still around to make more."

Maybe when vital organs become dysfunctional and the patient no longer finds any enjoyment in life, the kind thing maybe just to let Mother Nature take her course.
 
Niflmir
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

"
U.S. lawmakers take more shots at Canadian healthcare"

Who cares?

I think just the US health insurance companies and consumers.
 
Niflmir
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Maybe when vital organs become dysfunctional and the patient no longer finds any enjoyment in life, the kind thing maybe just to let Mother Nature take her course.

I personally think that sometimes we should even take over for mother nature, but both are touchy subjects best left up to the families, not the health care system.
 
Francis2004
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

"
U.S. lawmakers take more shots at Canadian healthcare"

Who cares?

Lobbyists for big pharma..
 
Francis2004
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Maybe when vital organs become dysfunctional and the patient no longer finds any enjoyment in life, the kind thing maybe just to let Mother Nature take her course.

The farming of organs in the US is now big industry. They may want you to believe Russia and China have a corner market on the business but they need to look into the mirror..

60 Minutes did an article last week on how Japanese Mafia got special privileges to kidney transplants at UCLA ahead of long waiting patients that died. One wonders how one can sleep with blood money on ones hands..

Yakuza - 60 Minutes - CBS News
Last edited by Francis2004; Nov 7th, 2009 at 04:40 PM..Reason: typo correction
 
#juan
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I guess I've been lucky. Since our form of universal health care came in, I've lived in a half dozen of the larger cities in this country and the availability of health care was never a problem. I'm sure that in smaller towns, more remote towns, some parts of health care like CAT scans, are harder to come by as well as some specialists, and this is normal I'm sure anywhere. The problems we have with Canada's health care system are going to be problems anywhere.
Americans are fooling themselves if they think our system doesn't work. Our system costs us less per capita and less as a percentage of GDP than the American system. These dolts don't know what they are talking about.
 
weaselwords
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Of course the US health industry is going to attempt to belittle the Cdn model, you've got an extremely profitable industry under threat of government intervention. From hospitals to HMO's to insurers, their & their shareholders lifeblood is tied up make making profits. The Cdn model migates those opportunities to a large extent so no wonder there is an all out press against our form of healthcare. That being said they can have theirs, I'd rather have what we've got warts and all.
 
RanchHand
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

I am always amazed at the ability of commentators to spew utter bull**** about another country, and keep a straight face.

Yeah, amazing ain't it? Some nerve.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by RanchHand View Post

Yeah, amazing ain't it? Some nerve.

Unless his brother happens to live in the other country, in this day of advanced technology there are ways of finding out stuff w/o actually going there. Our health system has its flaws.
 

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