Canada preparing for next mission


Praxius
#1
Forces establishing supply depots around the world
Canada preparing for next mission - Nova Scotia News - TheChronicleHerald.ca

Quote:

OTTAWA — Canada’s military is locked into the Afghan mission until 2011, but is preparing for the next war or peacekeeping mission by establishing a series of supply depots around the world, The Canadian Press has learned.

Germany this week became the first country to agree to host a small detachment of Canadian military and civilian supply clerks, who will share space with the U.S. forces at an air base in Spangdahlem.

Ottawa is also negotiating with other NATO allies and plans to approach governments in Africa, the Middle East, the Far East, the Caribbean and South America for similar ventures.

"We’ve learned a lot through transformation and the operations of the past few years," Gen. Walter Natynczyk, the country’s top military commander, said in a recent interview.

The supply depots, essentially small warehouse operations located in strategic regions, would allow for the stockpiling of equipment and ammunition for future missions.

Natynczyk said if the Canadian military is to play a role in hot spots around the world — as Defence Minister Peter MacKay recently suggested — then "we need significant bilateral relations with countries (where) we can pre-position combat supplies and equipment."

The plan envisions both sea and air bases, staffed in some cases by as many as half a dozen Canadians, located in friendly countries but close to potential trouble spots.

The depots could be used as jumping off points for military or humanitarian missions, said a senior defence official who spoke on background.

Critics have long complained the Afghan war has hamstrung the Canadian army, tied up resources and prevented it from undertaking other armed interventions — or peacekeeping assignments.

New Democrats, for example, have lobbied for an intervention to stop the genocide in Sudan’s Darfur region. But military officers have said that such missions can work only if there staging points from which troops can deploy or be supplied.

Natynczyk’s predecessor, Gen. Rick Hillier, often warned the army didn’t have the manpower to carry out two simultaneous operations in different parts of the globe.

But documents obtained by The Canadian Press under the Access to Information Act show the bigger problem has been establishing a supply train to sustain a tandem operation when the country has virtually no overseas military bases.

"The CF lacks sufficient capability to constantly maintain the operational level support task because of policy decisions that resulted in these capabilities not being assigned or funded," said a November 2006 draft report prepared for National Defence headquarters.

The cost-cutting abandonment of bases in Germany by the Mulroney government as part of its peace dividend in the early 1990s has particularly hampered the military’s ability to quickly deploy missions abroad.

Canada does maintain a secret base in the Middle East, through which much of the Afghan war supplies are funnelled. But the camp — an air base — has limited capacity.

Since the closure of Canada’s Cold War bases in Europe, supplies and equipment for troops in the field on UN peacekeeping missions have been shipped directly from Canada.

Well, sounds like a good idea, any thoughts?
 
barney
#2
Yeah actually. How about, where is the money to fund all this supposed to come from?
 
Praxius
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by barney View Post

Yeah actually. How about, where is the money to fund all this supposed to come from?

Well the Conservatives will get all the Liberals money when they collapse, take the Green's and probably the NDP's, then use that money to build those depots and then staff them with all the former parties.

Either that or just film some locations in a studio and say they're done and ready to go kinda like the moon landing.
 
barney
#4
Oh, okay just checking...seems like you've really thought this through. ;-D
 
Just the Facts
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by barney View Post

Yeah actually. How about, where is the money to fund all this supposed to come from?

Dividends from the oil pipeline being built through Afghanistan.
 
barney
#6

Just the Facts
: Dividends from the oil pipeline being built through Afghanistan.

If only our presence over there could at least be be justified by some cash at the end of the tunnel. AFAIK, we're just there as good little soldiers working for charity...
 
Praxius
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by barney View Post

Just the Facts: Dividends from the oil pipeline being built through Afghanistan.

If only our presence over there could at least be be justified by some cash at the end of the tunnel. AFAIK, we're just there as good little soldiers working for charity...

You would suggest that our military be used like Mercs?
 
barney
#8
If our troops are to be used as cannon fodder in someone else's war, let our country at least get something out of it (if only to pay for this goddamn mission)--other than helping poor Afghans get accustomed to being exploited by yet another group of a-holes.
 
Praxius
#9
Well you can ask as many troops if you like and let them tell you if they want to go home or is there something justified in it all.

They're the ones right up front, what do they think?
 
barney
#10
Fine but it's not up to them. We pay them. They are government employees (as much as the CAF would like to think otherwise). Some of them like it over there becasue it gives them a sense that they are doing something for poor people and being part of a team and blah, blah, blah but that's not what they're there for. They're there to do a job that is not justified according to the interests of this country. But since we're essentially there to help rich people get richer, might as well make some money on it is all I'm saying.
 
Colpy
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by barney View Post

Fine but it's not up to them. We pay them. They are government employees (as much as the CAF would like to think otherwise). Some of them like it over there becasue it gives them a sense that they are doing something for poor people and being part of a team and blah, blah, blah but that's not what they're there for. They're there to do a job that is not justified according to the interests of this country. But since we're essentially there to help rich people get richer, might as well make some money on it is all I'm saying.

Bull.

They are there fulfilling our commitments to our allies under the treaties we signed to keep us safe and secure.......under NATO's and the Americans wing.....the only reason we've been able to pass the last 40 years with no military to speak of.

We are preventing Afghanistan from falling into the hands of terrorists....who then use it as a training base for attacks on countries in the west.....and we are damned close to the top of the list.

These guys are protecting your sorry arse.