Tax Rates

Cannuck
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Spending the weekend at friends in Phoenix and we had a discussion last nights about overall taxes. He’d gladly pay more tax. He says Americans spend a massive amount on the military where the average American doesn’t get a direct benefit. Canada spends more per capita on education and health care where he thinks the average Canadian sees a direct benefit. He knows teachers down here that have to get part time jobs in Walmart so they can live. It pisses him off to see retirees from Canada coming down here and living far better than retirees from Minnesota or Michigan. He says that, despite the higher taxes Canadians pay, they get better overall value for the taxes paid. I tend to agree with him. He,s also a Republican that hates Trump
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Spending the weekend at friends in Phoenix and we had a discussion last nights about overall taxes. He’d gladly pay more tax. He says Americans spend a massive amount on the military where the average American doesn’t get a direct benefit. Canada spends more per capita on education and health care where he thinks the average Canadian sees a direct benefit. He knows teachers down here that have to get part time jobs in Walmart so they can live. It pisses him off to see retirees from Canada coming down here and living far better than retirees from Minnesota or Michigan. He says that, despite the higher taxes Canadians pay, they get better overall value for the taxes paid. I tend to agree with him. He,s also a Republican that hates Trump

Well, seeing as how Arizona is a reliably deep-red state, your buddy's getting what his state votes for.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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Did your friend say he would gladly pay 50% plus of his income to taxes ?
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Spending the weekend at friends in Phoenix and we had a discussion last nights about overall taxes. He’d gladly pay more tax. He says Americans spend a massive amount on the military where the average American doesn’t get a direct benefit. Canada spends more per capita on education and health care where he thinks the average Canadian sees a direct benefit. He knows teachers down here that have to get part time jobs in Walmart so they can live. It pisses him off to see retirees from Canada coming down here and living far better than retirees from Minnesota or Michigan. He says that, despite the higher taxes Canadians pay, they get better overall value for the taxes paid. I tend to agree with him. He,s also a Republican that hates Trump

You changing basements?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
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I'll call BS visiting friends in Phoenix but trolling on CC non stop so far
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

I'll call BS visiting friends in Phoenix but trolling on CC non stop so far

Because CC isn't available in Phoenix, right, Moosie?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
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Why isn't it available in Phoenix? More like why is he trolling when he should be visiting
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Why isn't it available in Phoenix? More like why is he trolling when he should be visiting

I didn't know you were the Supreme Arbiter of What Other Folk Should Do. I just knew you think you are.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#9
Nope just common sense when dealing with a BS artist
 
Buffy
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If your friend really can't fathom a direct benefit perhaps he could try thinking and note the almost limitless indirect benefits that he enjoys as the result of the U.S. taking responsibility where nobody else is willing and spending the money required to provide him with the quality of life he has. Freedom ain't free. It would be nice if other country's pulled their weight but they don't. I agree that teachers are seriously underpaid. I suspect your friend is just as seriously overpaid. It's kind of nice having a neighbor that foots the bill isn't it.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

I didn't know you were the Supreme Arbiter of What Other Folk Should Do. I just knew you think you are.

I want one of those, seems like the best way to park a lot of red tape.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Buffy View Post

If your friend really can't fathom a direct benefit perhaps he could try thinking and note the almost limitless indirect benefits that he enjoys as the result of the U.S. taking responsibility where nobody else is willing and spending the money required to provide him with the quality of life he has. Freedom ain't free. It would be nice if other country's pulled their weight but they don't. I agree that teachers are seriously underpaid. I suspect your friend is just as seriously overpaid. It's kind of nice having a neighbor that foots the bill isn't it.

There are usually some strings attacked when something seems to good to be true. In this case it would be 'big cables' rather 'a few strings'. One being they buy all out exported oil at $50/bbl below world market price, sweet deal for them, even sweeter for the Dutch Oil Companies that did all the construction work.
 
Gilgamesh
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Did your friend say he would gladly pay 50% plus of his income to taxes ?

Also tell your friend that his tax money goes to defend Canada through the U.S military.

Canada an afford its social programs because it uses the might of the U.S military to defend itself.

Parasitism exists all over the world.


Unfortunately most Canadians don't admit what we do, or thinkcwe can do it forever.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Did your friend say he would gladly pay 50% plus of his income to taxes ?

Umm....I think the point is that the value we are getting per dollar spent is better in the US. So ya, if he got to live like a Canadian, he’d probably be happy
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Also tell your friend that his tax money goes to defend Canada through the U.S military.
Canada an afford its social programs because it uses the might of the U.S military to defend itself.
Parasitism exists all over the world.
Unfortunately most Canadians don't admit what we do, or thinkcwe can do it forever.

Defend itself from what, exactly?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by Buffy View Post

If your friend really can't fathom a direct benefit perhaps he could try thinking and note the almost limitless indirect benefits that he enjoys as the result of the U.S. taking responsibility where nobody else is willing and spending the money required to provide him with the quality of life he has. Freedom ain't free. It would be nice if other country's pulled their weight but they don't. I agree that teachers are seriously underpaid. I suspect your friend is just as seriously overpaid. It's kind of nice having a neighbor that foots the bill isn't it.

Teachers are by no means underpaid. Starting wage is around $47000 + solid gold pension and bennies.Not bad for fresh out of school and only working about 9 months.
 
Cannuck
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Hehehehe....the proble with the ignore function.....twit doesn’t even understand what’s being discussed
 
Buffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Defend itself from what, exactly?

Well, from those who would interfere with the free flow of goods as one example. It might be worthwhile to consider the impact on the economy were China to be able to control the sea lanes with a navy that Canada was (is) unable to challenge. BTW, speaking of direct benefits. How about the integrated circuit? Or the technological knowhow that allows Bombardier and Boeing to produce aircraft. Or cell phone technology. Or the internet. Or weather and GPS satellites. Or nuclear medicine. Or microwave ovens. Or duct tape. Or drones. Or digital cameras. Or computers. Or jet engines. Or synthetic rubber tires. Or super glue. Or canned food. Or penicillin. Or wrist watches. Or freeze dried food. Or.................
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by Buffy View Post

Well, from those who would interfere with the free flow of goods as one example....

You mean like Trumpites and their love of tariffs. I don’t think we need an army to defeat them...just get smart people out to vote
 
Hoid
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Quote: Originally Posted by Buffy View Post

If your friend really can't fathom a direct benefit perhaps he could try thinking and note the almost limitless indirect benefits that he enjoys as the result of the U.S. taking responsibility where nobody else is willing and spending the money required to provide him with the quality of life he has.

what a ridiculous concept.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

You mean like Trumpites and their love of tariffs. I don’t think we need an army to defeat them...just get smart people out to vote

Well that excludes you.
 
Cannuck
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The argument is that massive government spending is good for the population. I’ve been saying for some time now that social conservatives are nothing more than closet socialists. They keep proving me right
 
Hoid
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Quote: Originally Posted by Buffy View Post

Well, from those who would interfere with the free flow of goods as one example. It might be worthwhile to consider the impact on the economy were China to be able to control the sea lanes with a navy that Canada was (is) unable to challenge. BTW, speaking of direct benefits. How about the integrated circuit? Or the technological knowhow that allows Bombardier and Boeing to produce aircraft. Or cell phone technology. Or the internet. Or weather and GPS satellites. Or nuclear medicine. Or microwave ovens. Or duct tape. Or drones. Or digital cameras. Or computers. Or jet engines. Or synthetic rubber tires. Or super glue. Or canned food. Or penicillin. Or wrist watches. Or freeze dried food. Or.................

OK I am imagining a world where China instead of America controlled the "sea lanes" whatever that might be.

I am failing to see the difference.

We are not America and America does not do what they do in order to help Canada out.

America does what they do because it helps America.
 
Buffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

OK I am imagining a world where China instead of America controlled the "sea lanes" whatever that might be.

I am failing to see the difference.

We are not America and America does not do what they do in order to help Canada out.

America does what they do because it helps America.

Of course. And they and we and many others benefit from that. Open sea lanes allow for free trade which provides a better standard of living then would be the case without it. The initial issue was whether U.S. military spending created direct benefits to citizens. My point is that it does and not only to the citizens of the U.S.
 
Hoid
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Quote: Originally Posted by Buffy View Post

Of course. And they and we and many others benefit from that. Open sea lanes allow for free trade which provides a better standard of living then would be the case without it. The initial issue was whether U.S. military spending created direct benefits to citizens. My point is that it does and not only to the citizens of the U.S.

So sea lanes that are controlled by America are open and to our benefit while sea lanes controlled by the Chinese would be closed and to our detriment.
 
Buffy
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Not necessarily but it is certainly a risk. I'd rather trust the Yanks than the Chinese. Do you disagree?
 
Hoid
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I disagree that we should be grateful for living under the thumb of one benevolent dictator or another.
 
Buffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I disagree that we should be grateful for living under the thumb of one benevolent dictator or another.

Get a grip.
 
Hoid
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Get a grip?

On what?
 
VIBC
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Americans, just like everyone else, have to choose their own levels of taxation and how the revenue is spent. if some Americans (or Canadians or Chinese) don't like to think their spending has some benefit for others they should either work to change their spending, or learn to live with the consequences.

Times change by the way. What was that American thing about 'no standing army'? They were so proud if that, at the time.
 

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