Trudeau says 'erosion of trust,' bad communications sparked SNC-Lavalin controversy


White_Unifier
#1
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...alin-1.5046438

I still believe Jody Wilson-Raybould's version of events; but to be fair, I'll acknowledge that the PM's is plausible even if not easy to believe, so I'll give him the benefit of the dobut on that.

Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt on this though, he's still essentially admitted to grossly lacking the necessary communication skills to fulfil the functions of the Prime Minister. While such miscommuncation of his intentions might have been forgivable in the first year of his mandate, one would think he would have improved his ability to clearly communicate by now.

For the last few years, he's jsut repeated himself like a broken record. Does he just lack the vocabulary to say anything else?

Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt on this, if his caucus is smart, they'll replace him fast before the next election with someone with somewhat better communication skills.
 
Hoid
#2
there is nobody who does it any better than he
 
Curious Cdn
+1
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

there is nobody who does it any better than he

He's a smashing success.

I'm waiting for the Action Figure and accessories to come out.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+6
#4  Top Rated Post
This Prime Minister is the biggest lying P.O.S. I have ever seen. "I believe in transparency and my dad and daunting but innocent erosion of trust. It's Miss Wilson Raybould's fault."



Here are the facts.
  • SNC LAVALIN lobbied the Liberal government for a DPA alternative.
  • The Liberals jammed the DPA legislation into an Omnibus bill hoping no one would notice.
  • The law passed.
  • The Liberal's start sniffing around getting SNC Lavalin a DPA
  • JWR is resistant and warns the PM of possible political interference.
  • For four months she is dogged by the PMO, and that Liberal lapdog Wernick, the moron who who thinks there will be an assassination this year thanks to the Social Media Vomitorium.
  • JWR is shuffled out of A.G. into Veterans Affairs.because Scott Brison retired, and just in a nick of time, way to get off that bloodyd ship of fools, Scott. She is told to brief the incoming puppet AG Lametti on the SNC Lavalin case, but they didn't move her for political expediency.
  • The story breaks
  • JT keeps JWR gagged until he can formulate a plan.
  • First attack her. Blame her while keeping her gagged through solicitor client privilege.
  • The attack goes on. Insiders call Raybould difficult to work with.
  • Raybould remains gagged.
  • But the pressure remains.
  • Political, media and public calls are made to allow JWR to speak.
  • Enter or should I say exit Gerald Butts (The sacrificial lamb in wolves clothing.)
  • He takes the heat off the PMO.
  • The Prime Minister finally bows to public pressure and allows JWR to testify.
  • Jody Wilson Raybould's testimony is explosive. She names the PMO, Wernick, Butts, and the Prime Minister himself.
  • Trudeau readies his key man, Gerald Butts to go in and frame up JWR as maybe better off doing something else, because she's certainly hasn't grasped that there is no "i" in team. She's a defensive woman after all and she should no her place. We make you AG, you do what the demented child king wants.
  • But before the Butt man can testify, couldn't resist, Jane Philpott, a key Liberal resigns from Trudeau's cabinet. Citing lost confidence.
  • Oh no, what do we do? Apologize? Deny?
  • Trudeau avoids questions, hopes the Butt man can deliver.
  • Butts testifies saying it was all a big misunderstanding. Dialogue and discussions. He didn't realize that Jody Wilson Raybould really meant "NO!" when she said "NO!" like 8 ****ing times. Given that he is the Prime Minister right hand man and best friend, you would assume he's a feminist and understand that "No means No!"
  • If she wanted us to stop she should have said something, says the PM and his Cronies.
  • She did, again and again and again. NO MEANS NO!
  • Now we are to believe that it was just a big misunderstanding and Jody Wilson Raybould should have told Trudeau, so that the conspiracy to collaborate with a crooked Quebec based company "Papineau" wouldn't have fallen apart the way it did.
  • Don't think there's a conspiracy.
  • Follow the bullets again.
  • "But be careful not to get shot," Michael Wernick.
 
Hoof Hearted
+3
#5
If the virtuous and above reproach Raybould is so shaken to the core by all of this top down rot, then why is she remaining in the Party? Answer me that one, please.
 
Curious Cdn
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

If the virtuous and above reproach Raybould is so shaken to the core by all of this top down rot, then why is she remaining in the Party? Answer me that one, please.

She hasn't been kicked out of the party, yet because there iis someone there who's figured out that it would be suicidal to do so. Nobody likes a bully.
 
Hoof Hearted
+2
#7
Raybould choosing to remain in the Liberal Party is like burning down your parent's house, and then walking through the front door asking when supper will be served.
 
Jinentonix
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

Raybould choosing to remain in the Liberal Party is like burning down your parent's house, and then walking through the front door asking when supper will be served.

SO what's Jane Philpott's problem then? Her resignation statement was pretty friggin' scathing and yet she's remaining in the party. Maybe these are people that realized the ALT-left have hijacked the Liberals and understand they're gonna need people in the party to get the it back to left of center.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+3
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

If the virtuous and above reproach Raybould is so shaken to the core by all of this top down rot, then why is she remaining in the Party? Answer me that one, please.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

Raybould choosing to remain in the Liberal Party is like burning down your parent's house, and then walking through the front door asking when supper will be served.


Hoof, I don't get why you are calling her a turncoat or traitor. The A.G. is supposed to be non partisan and uphold the law. She did her job, if she hadn't she should have been canned. But she did and that is principled.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+3
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

SO what's Jane Philpott's problem then? Her resignation statement was pretty friggin' scathing and yet she's remaining in the party. Maybe these are people that realized the ALT-left have hijacked the Liberals and understand they're gonna need people in the party to get the it back to left of center.


The party is being run by an unqualified idiot. He was sinking in the polls before the sh!t hit the Lavalin.
 
Jinentonix
+2
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

The party is being run by an unqualified idiot. He was sinking in the polls before the sh!t hit the Lavalin.

No argument but Trudeau is clearly ALT-left. I've yet to meet a sycophant of the ALT-left that isn't an unqualified idiot.
 
Hoid
#12
What an intellectual tour de force.
 
Cliffy
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

No argument but Trudeau is clearly ALT-left. I've yet to meet a sycophant of the ALT-left that isn't an unqualified idiot.

Conversely, I have never met a sycophant of the alt-right who isn't an unqualified idiot. Trump, Harper and Sheer come to mind.
 
petros
+2
#14
Where did you get your idiot papers?
 
Cannuck
-1
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

there is nobody who does it any better than he

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SaV-6qerkqI
 
Cannuck
+1 / -1
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

The party is being run by an unqualified idiot. He was sinking in the polls before the sh!t hit the Lavalin.

Trudeau doesn’t run the Liberal Party. He’s not smart enough
 
taxslave
+2
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

Raybould choosing to remain in the Liberal Party is like burning down your parent's house, and then walking through the front door asking when supper will be served.

It is not the party itself that is the problem. It is the globullists that have taken over the party that are the problem. The best way to fix the problem is from the inside.
 
taxslave
+1
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Conversely, I have never met a sycophant of the alt-right who isn't an unqualified idiot. Trump, Harper and Sheer come to mind.

Figures a welfare bum would call three of the better politicians down. Wouldn't want to have all that free money cut off.
 
taxslave
+1
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Where did you get your idiot papers?

QUebec where he grew up.
 
Decapoda
+3
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

This Prime Minister is the biggest lying P.O.S. I have ever seen. "I believe in transparency and my dad and daunting but innocent erosion of trust. It's Miss Wilson Raybould's fault."

Here are the facts.

  • .....
  • Raybould remains gagged.

    .....

And still remains gagged for events which happened after Jan. 7th. We are only allowed to hear Butts' and Trudeau's version of why she was shuffled out of cabinet, not hers....and a motion to bring her back to fill in some holes is voted down by the Liberal majority committee. Tells you pretty much all you need to know.

Liberal MPs block effort to immediately invite Wilson-Raybould to testify further on SNC-Lavalin affair

“It seems grossly unfair, with all due respect, that we were allowing Mr. Butts to come and talk about what happened after she [left] cabinet but she can’t do so,” NDP justice critic Murray Rankin said.

Ms. Wilson-Raybould said she is still limited as to what she can say, since a cabinet order permitting her to speak without violating solicitor-client privilege and cabinet confidentiality does not apply to conversations that took place after she was shuffled out of the justice portfolio or in relation to her resignation.

Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre said the government must eliminate the "gag order” that prevents Ms. Wilson-Raybould from telling the whole truth.
 
Decapoda
+3
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

Raybould choosing to remain in the Liberal Party is like burning down your parent's house, and then walking through the front door asking when supper will be served.


Analogies, okay...

What Trudeau was asking her to do with the Public Prosecutors judicial decision is like a mafia hit-man walking into a courtroom after a guilty verdict has been rendered against an "associate", and threatening the judge to change his mind...because, you know...it's for jobs.
 
Twin_Moose
+3
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

And still remains gagged for events which happened after Jan. 7th. We are only allowed to hear Butts' and Trudeau's version of why she was shuffled out of cabinet, not hers....and a motion to bring her back to fill in some holes is voted down by the Liberal majority committee. Tells you pretty much all you need to know.
Liberal MPs block effort to immediately invite Wilson-Raybould to testify further on SNC-Lavalin affair
“It seems grossly unfair, with all due respect, that we were allowing Mr. Butts to come and talk about what happened after she [left] cabinet but she can’t do so,” NDP justice critic Murray Rankin said.
Ms. Wilson-Raybould said she is still limited as to what she can say, since a cabinet order permitting her to speak without violating solicitor-client privilege and cabinet confidentiality does not apply to conversations that took place after she was shuffled out of the justice portfolio or in relation to her resignation.
Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre said the government must eliminate the "gag order” that prevents Ms. Wilson-Raybould from telling the whole truth.

You would think since they opened the door she should be able to respond without the gag order lifted
 
Decapoda
+3
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

You would think since they opened the door she should be able to respond without the gag order lifted

Liberals wouldn't want "her" whole truth (ie..."the" truth) to get out and spoil Trudeau's latest narrative, which seems to be holding the line...for now.

This lying, disingenuous little weasel is as corrupt as they come. What compounds things and makes it exponentially worse is that he's also shallow and incompetent. So much for "doing things differently."
 
Hoid
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

Liberals wouldn't want "her" whole truth (ie..."the" truth) to get out and spoil Trudeau's latest narrative, which seems to be holding the line...for now.

This lying, disingenuous little weasel is as corrupt as they come. What compounds things and makes it exponentially worse is that he's also shallow and incompetent. So much for "doing things differently."

The economy seems to be doing alright,
 
petros
+1
#25
Seems? Either it is or isn't.
 
petros
+4
#26
It sucks it seems and the data backs that.

Is Canada’s economy on the verge of slipping into a recession?

It’s a question some analysts are asking after another release of less-than-impressive statistics last week.

The latest bit of evidence came Friday, when Statistics Canada announced the Canadian economy grew by a paltry 0.1 per cent in the fourth quarter. That was the slowest growth in two and a half years.

Lower prices for oil, a slump in real estate prompted by tighter mortgage rules and slower business spending are some of the culprits for the slowdown cited by Statistics Canada. As a result, most experts expect the Bank of Canada to leave its key overnight lending rate unchanged Wednesday at 1.75 per cent.

“There is no denying that Canada is facing a perfect storm at present,” said TD senior economist Brian DePratto in a report analyzing the new data.

“A more intense-than-expected moderation of economic growth came just as North American commodity markets sent Canadian heavy oil prices lower, resulting in an additional near-term growth shock as producers curtailed output,” DePratto added. “All of this is taking place against a backdrop of still highly levered households facing rising borrowing costs for the first time in a generation.”

Read more:

Startling near-halt to economy stokes fear of recession

More people are going broke in Canada as interest rates rise

Immigration expected to dominate talks on Atlantic Canada economy

Of just as much concern, said CIBC’s Ian Pollick, is that consumer spending — which has helped save the economic day in the past — has also taken a hit.

“While growth was fully expected to slow, some of the details made even the most pessimistic forecaster take notice. ... Canada just posted its worst household consumption numbers since 2015,” Pollick said in a research note.

For a third straight quarter, business spending also fell, this time by 10.9 per cent. That’s hardly reassuring, either, said Benjamin Reitzes, an interest rate strategist at BMO.

“The (Bank of Canada) banking on investment and exports taking the growth reins, but that’s hardly been the case,” said Reitzes, who, like most analysts, expects the bank to leave the overnight lending rate unchanged Wednesday.

“Given the weaker growth backdrop, with the trade and housing uncertainties unlikely to be resolved, we look for the (bank) to be on hold through most of this year,” Reitzes wrote.


The Bank of Canada has raised the rate four times in the last year and a half, with the most recent rise coming in October.

In 2018, the Canadian economy grew by 1.8 per cent, a significant slowdown from the 3 per cent growth in 2017. According to a Bloomberg survey of economists, Canada’s economy is expected to grow by 1.8 per cent in 2019, with a 20 per cent chance of a recession.

Still, despite the steady drip of so-so economic data, we’re unlikely to experience a deep or prolonged recession, suggested TD’s DePratto. That’s due at least in part to the fact that the U.S. economy is still (relatively) humming along. DePratto believes Canada could have a “technical” recession, or two straight quarters where the economy shrinks.

“There are marked differences between a slump, a technical recession, and a true recession,” DePratto wrote. A “true” recession, DePratto wrote, is deeper and more widespread throughout the economy than a technical one.

As an example of a “true” recession, DePratto noted the recession sparked by the 2008 financial crisis. Unemployment rose by 2.5 per cent, across the country in a variety of sectors. In 2015’s “technical” recession, unemployment rose by just half a percentage point, and was mostly driven by a slump in the oil and gas industry.

Josh Rubin is a Toronto-based business reporter. Follow him on Twitter: @starbeer
 
Hoid
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It sucks it seems and the data backs that.

Is Canada’s economy on the verge of slipping into a recession?

It’s a question some analysts are asking after another release of less-than-impressive statistics last week.

The latest bit of evidence came Friday, when Statistics Canada announced the Canadian economy grew by a paltry 0.1 per cent in the fourth quarter. That was the slowest growth in two and a half years.

Lower prices for oil, a slump in real estate prompted by tighter mortgage rules and slower business spending are some of the culprits for the slowdown cited by Statistics Canada. As a result, most experts expect the Bank of Canada to leave its key overnight lending rate unchanged Wednesday at 1.75 per cent.

“There is no denying that Canada is facing a perfect storm at present,” said TD senior economist Brian DePratto in a report analyzing the new data.

“A more intense-than-expected moderation of economic growth came just as North American commodity markets sent Canadian heavy oil prices lower, resulting in an additional near-term growth shock as producers curtailed output,” DePratto added. “All of this is taking place against a backdrop of still highly levered households facing rising borrowing costs for the first time in a generation.”

Read more:

Startling near-halt to economy stokes fear of recession

More people are going broke in Canada as interest rates rise

Immigration expected to dominate talks on Atlantic Canada economy

Of just as much concern, said CIBC’s Ian Pollick, is that consumer spending — which has helped save the economic day in the past — has also taken a hit.

“While growth was fully expected to slow, some of the details made even the most pessimistic forecaster take notice. ... Canada just posted its worst household consumption numbers since 2015,” Pollick said in a research note.

For a third straight quarter, business spending also fell, this time by 10.9 per cent. That’s hardly reassuring, either, said Benjamin Reitzes, an interest rate strategist at BMO.

“The (Bank of Canada) banking on investment and exports taking the growth reins, but that’s hardly been the case,” said Reitzes, who, like most analysts, expects the bank to leave the overnight lending rate unchanged Wednesday.

“Given the weaker growth backdrop, with the trade and housing uncertainties unlikely to be resolved, we look for the (bank) to be on hold through most of this year,” Reitzes wrote.


The Bank of Canada has raised the rate four times in the last year and a half, with the most recent rise coming in October.

In 2018, the Canadian economy grew by 1.8 per cent, a significant slowdown from the 3 per cent growth in 2017. According to a Bloomberg survey of economists, Canada’s economy is expected to grow by 1.8 per cent in 2019, with a 20 per cent chance of a recession.

Still, despite the steady drip of so-so economic data, we’re unlikely to experience a deep or prolonged recession, suggested TD’s DePratto. That’s due at least in part to the fact that the U.S. economy is still (relatively) humming along. DePratto believes Canada could have a “technical” recession, or two straight quarters where the economy shrinks.

“There are marked differences between a slump, a technical recession, and a true recession,” DePratto wrote. A “true” recession, DePratto wrote, is deeper and more widespread throughout the economy than a technical one.

As an example of a “true” recession, DePratto noted the recession sparked by the 2008 financial crisis. Unemployment rose by 2.5 per cent, across the country in a variety of sectors. In 2015’s “technical” recession, unemployment rose by just half a percentage point, and was mostly driven by a slump in the oil and gas industry.

Josh Rubin is a Toronto-based business reporter. Follow him on Twitter: @starbeer

as I said...
 
petros
+2
#28
Borderline recession seems good to you?
 
White_Unifier
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Borderline recession seems good to you?

I never blamed Harper for the recession he found himself in so I won't blame Trudeau for this one: governments in free-market economies cannot control the market enough to prevent its ups and downs. If that's what you want, you might want to turn to the USSR as a model.

That said, I do hold Trudeau accountable for three things:

1. Interest rates. (They could be worse, but they have increased none-the-less).

2. Inflation. (It could be worse, but it has increased a bit too).

3. Debt. That has skyrocketted.

Even then, to be fair, the government doesn't have total control over these three things, but it has enough control to keep them reasonably stable over a five-year period let's say. Trudeau's been in power with a majority government for a few years now, and if we average those years out, he's done a moderately poor job on points one and two and a terrible job on point three compared to his predecessor.

Actually, I'll add employment to the list too. In Sweden for example, even in recession, the lack of an obligatory minimum wage in the law gives workers the power to negotiate their wages downward if necessary. Deregulation can play a role in that too. That said, Fed, provincial, territorial, and local policies all play a role in employment and so I won't put all of the blame for that on Trudeau. Then again, Canada has added jobs, so great. The problem though is that much of those jobs come from an economy stimulated by government debt, so not sustainable. For that reason, I still place more importance on debt than on employment as a judgment of a government's success. Any government can borrow a country's way to temporary prosperity.
 
petros
+3
#30
Why are the US economy and Canadian economy like night and day right now?