Open military to non citizens?


EagleSmack
#391
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

It was made by someone who knows nothing of our military history.


I didn't know this was your thread.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#392
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

I didn't know this was your thread.

Oh, yeah.

You're the Yank idiot who thinks that the main Battle of Normandy was fought by the Americans against the conscript German units to the West of the beaches and not around Caen where the British and Canadians slugged it out with the SS and Panzer Lehr and German Parachute units for a month.

History according Tom Hanks ... You just mowed the Germans down like grass 'cause they wasn't smart like 'Mericans is.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#393
Liberals rush to sign Canadian Surface Combatant contract - deal could be signed by Friday
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#394
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Liberals rush to sign Canadian Surface Combatant contract - deal could be signed by Friday


IS IT NOT AMUSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have been BADLY STUNG by accusations from ALL DIRECTIONS regarding their absolutely TERRIBLE HANDLING of every facet of our national security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


They are have brought in 60,000 mostly Syrian Muslims from


camps run by terror group HAMAS - with the refugees



brought in at HUGE ONGOING COST to Cdns- merely on



the word of TERRORISTS of Hamas that the refugees are



TRUSTWORTHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have encouraged tens of thousands of illegals to flood across our borders in a DELUGE of humanity- with no end in sight to that Deluge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals hav been caught out LYING about how many illegals are here and how much it is costing to keep them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even worse LIE-berals have been caught LYING about what sort of security checks are being done on the illegals- apparently the truth is that VIRTUALLY NO CHECKS are being done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The spectacle of a parade of accused Muslim killers all dragged into Cdn courts after making murderous attacks on Cdns is not helping the LIE-beral position regarding their alleged security checks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nor is it helping that most of the Muslim terror attackers in Canada are quick to use the "INSANITY PLEA" as a defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Either Muslim attackers think we are FOOLS - thanks to LIE-beral shameless vote buying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or else the number of INSANE Muslim killers showing up in Canadian courts represents a DAMNING INDICTMENT of LIE-beral indifference to national security and to the UTTER FAILURE of LIE-beral immigration policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If LIE-berals HAD DONE HONEST SECURITY CHECKS then maybe they would not have issued Cdn papers and passports to two members of notorious crime gang MS 13 who were arrested by Yankee border agents as they tried to cross into United States with their brand new Cdn papers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And are LIE-berals NOT ASHAMED that Yankees are doing a BETTER JOB of guarding Canada than Cdn security is allowed to do under LIE-beral RESTRICTIONS designed to suck up to certain ethnic voters???????????????????



LIE-berals have GUTTED our military - never before in our history have we spent so little on defense of any sort!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have been so soft on crime for so long that Canada is setting world records for money laundering by organized crime!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals are so indifferent to Muslim TERRORIST activities that they have tried to tell us we should simply resign ourselves to the bloodshed in the same way we endure snow storms and roads flooded by LIE-beral neglect of storm sewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now LIE-berals have decided on a BOLD STEP to silence the nay sayers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals will ORDER some new warships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


And given the LIE-beral track record - I am sure we can count on the news ships to be delivered with the same speed and careful attention towards quality work that is going into the Bombardier production of vehicles for Toronto Transit Commission!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


At this time- the ships ordered by LIE-berals are alleged to be state of the art!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But HOW SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


By the time disgraced LIE-berals are thrown out of office and a new govt untangles the legal crap LIE-berals have wrapped the ship



contracts into and then the new govt actually gets some ships COMPLETED and takes delivery of some new ships- we can expect



that the new ships will be NEARLY OBSOLETE WITH AGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Such is the scale and scope of LIE-BERAL BAIT AND SWITCH that we will ALL be very much OLDER before our navy takes delivery of a single ship ordered by LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#395
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Liberals rush to sign Canadian Surface Combatant contract - deal could be signed by Friday

... "rush to sign" a procurement that took more than a decade ...

They're "rushing to sign" before the Mark Norman trial proceeds any further and the Irving Shipyard comes out looking like SNC Lavalin.

The unfortunate part is that the Type 26 is likely the far better choice for our navy. The Aussies seem to agree. There are all sorts of advantages to operating versions of the same ship in our alliances. The Americans are also looking for a now Frigate design and Lougheed's ownership of BAE allows the Brits to slap that all-important "Proudly Made in USA" sticker on the prow. It could develop into the "super Frigate" of all of the English-speaking navies with the right armament suites (the Francophone crew of HMCS Ville de Quebec excepted).
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#396
Singh wants investigation in SNC-Lavalin case

Ottawa locks down design for $60B warships


If it's the best ship for the future build the damn thing, that goes for the ice breaker supply ships as well, how much is procrastination costing us? If the F-35 is the best plane buy the damn thing how many Billion have we saved from shorting on our NATO agreement? Enough to upgrade our military?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#397
AutoShow Honours Canada’s Military Vehicles
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#398
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

... "rush to sign" a procurement that took more than a decade ...

They're "rushing to sign" before the Mark Norman trial proceeds any further and the Irving Shipyard comes out looking like SNC Lavalin.

The unfortunate part is that the Type 26 is likely the far better choice for our navy. The Aussies seem to agree. There are all sorts of advantages to operating versions of the same ship in our alliances. The Americans are also looking for a now Frigate design and Lougheed's ownership of BAE allows the Brits to slap that all-important "Proudly Made in USA" sticker on the prow. It could develop into the "super Frigate" of all of the English-speaking navies with the right armament suites (the Francophone crew of HMCS Ville de Quebec excepted).


Oh congrats to not so Curious Cdn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He has presented all the usual MEANINGLESS TALKING POINTS about the new ships that LIE-berals are PRETENDING TO BUY US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are merely pretending to buy ships so they can partly escape that nasty label of NATO SLACKER AND TERRORIST ENABLER that they are wearing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The BAE type 26 ships are in current use in several allied navies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Meaning they have been in development for a decade or so - while weapon and sensor developments have moved on...............


So LIE-berals have seized on this fact to sponsor development of a MODERN NEW SHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The modern new LIE-beral ship can be expected to have all the unreliability issues and mechanical weakness as the Cormorant helicopters purchased by LIE-beral Jean Chretien!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


Of course this PRESUMES that LIE-berals will ever actually take delivery of a new warship so the design failures may be exposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Canada has been in the market for new fighter jets for a DECADE and we are ACTUALLY FARTHER AWAY from buying ANYTHING than we were five years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals do not like the F-35 - so okay FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BUT WHAT OTHER MODERN NEW AIRCRAFT HAVE LIE-berals purchased?????????????????????


LIE-berals have purchased a few aging nearly antique Australian f 18 fighters as a stop gap- just to get Trump to stop crying NATO SLACKER at Canada for a few minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And while buying the old jets- they have made sure there will be NO PILOTS available to fly them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral bait and switch works on the military as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals told us THREE YEARS AGO that they would buy NEW AIRCRAFT and so far their efforts have produced nothing but some lawsuits over purchase terms from aircraft makers who feel they have been unfairly shut out of the "competition"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals are following the lead of Pierre Trudeau who wanted to completely DISBAND the ENTIRE Cdn military - at the height of the Cold War!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And how better to disarm Canada than to let the military ROT OUT without bothering to replace any equipment???????????



LIE-berals think it is DISGRACEFUL that Cdns think LIE-beral gravy should be WASTED on something TRIVIAL like national security and defense!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals have decided that holding design competitions for hypothetical ships that do not currently EXIST and may never be built - IS CHEAPER and more politically correct than actually BUYING SHIPS of proven design that DO EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We have only to look at the EH 101 helicopter contract to see LIE-beral style weapon procurement in action!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Mulroney Conservative govt came to the honest conclusion that our aging Sea King helicopters had become DANGEROUSLY UNRELIABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Who wants to fly far out into the stormy Atlantic on a worn out helicopter that has been kept flying by cannibalizing spare parts off other CRASHED helicopters -because the copter you are riding in is SO OLD there are no more new parts left in the entire world?????????????????


So Mulroney arranged to buy EH 101 copters- a powerful and PROVEN state of the art machine IDEAL for Cdn operations over the ocean or Arctic - where any major engine failure would leave you stranded a VERY LONG WAY FROM ANY RESCUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Eh 101 had 3 engines and if one quit -the machine was GUARANTEED to still be able to fly back to base- though it might have to dump assorted gear to lighten the load if the trip was a long one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But LIE-berals do not like wasting THEIR money on weapons so Chretien paid a $500 million dollar penalty to get out of the EH 101 contract!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course in the end LIE-berals were forced to buy new copters and could not admit they needed the EH 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So LIE-berals bought Cormorants- a smaller, cheaper, less capable and unproven machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the newly delivered Cormorants immediately began having tail rotor troubles that had not been previously noticed due to how new the machine was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the Cormorant is a 2 engine machine -if an engine dies it is guaranteed not to be WRECKED when it hits the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Eh 101 with an engine out- flies back to base!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cormorant with an engine out hits the ground and needs rescuing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


Who would fly out over the Atlantic in a Cormorant if an Eh 101 was available instead???????????????????????????


Surely even a LIE-beral could answer such a question -IF THEY DARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course the smaller Cormorants cannot carry the same cargo as Eh 101 one so Cormorants must often make multiple trips for jobs that an Eh 101 could do in one shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



So now LIE-berals are going to "buy" us new ships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And who wants to bet they string out the design process FOREVER because they are only PRETENDING to buy ships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And if we actually take delivery of a new LIE-beral ship - who wants to bet it will be as costly and ineffective as all their other military purchases!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!



Like the original F 18 fighter purchase of aircraft that had NO BOMB RACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals take DELIGHT in making sure any weapons purchased for Cdn military are as inefficient as possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hoid
#399
The F35 is not even close to being the best plane for our national defense.

We are in far greater need of water bombers - as a single example of something that would defend Canadians from actual harm.

The F35 is only good for deployment by our political allies/bosses. For when they need us to bomb someone who doesn't even own an airplane.
 
spilledthebeer
#400
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Singh wants investigation in SNC-Lavalin case

Ottawa locks down design for $60B warships


If it's the best ship for the future build the damn thing, that goes for the ice breaker supply ships as well, how much is procrastination costing us? If the F-35 is the best plane buy the damn thing how many Billion have we saved from shorting on our NATO agreement? Enough to upgrade our military?


Oh Moose...........being a sensible guy, I am sure you will know the old saying about how a person is not ALWAYS WRONG in every case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jagmeet Singh is DEAD WRONG ON A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


But even I have to admit I think he got that one right about investigating SNC Lavelin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for the warships.............................NO MOOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All the LIE-bersals did was sign a contract to DESIGN A SHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Since there is NO DESIGN YET ...............there IS NO FIRM PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


That $60 billion is an ESTIMATE- based on the cost of other previous ships carrying similar weapons and gear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


By the time LIE-berals get finished screwing with this dogs breakfast- that I remind you THEY DONT WANT TO BUY IN THE FIRST PLACE...................THE FINAL COST COULD BE $180 BILLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bear in mind LIE-berals want to drag out the process as slowly as possible- over the longest time possible and run up the cost as much as possible so they will have a financial EXCUSE to buy as FEW WEAPONS AS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral destroyer "purchase" is going to set a LIE-beral RECORD for cost over runs and delays and general stupidity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is going to make Jean Chretien look like a military genius- for paying ONLY $500 million dollars NOT to buy helicopters!!!!!!!!!!!


Compered to Our idiot Boy and his destroyers- Jean Chretien was a brilliant buyer of slightly used British submarines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Bait and switch is the LIE-beral mantra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And if that doesnt work .............then just TALK the deal to death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!



You do know that we ARE STILL PAYING for development work on the F 35`s that the idiot Boy says we Are not buying right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




As for whether the F 35 is the best plane???????????????????????????


At this point ANY new plane would be an improvement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just do not expect LIE-berals to be HONEST about the aircraft purchase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


After all it took SEVERAL DECADES before we found out the F 18`s that Pierre Trudeau got pressured into buying HAD NO BOMB RACKS so they could not attack a ship at sea or bomb a ground target!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals ALWAYS INSIST on buying the most costly and least effective weapons............... IF you can get them to buy anything at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
 
spilledthebeer
#401
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The F35 is not even close to being the best plane for our national defense.

We are in far greater need of water bombers - as a single example of something that would defend Canadians from actual harm.

The F35 is only good for deployment by our political allies/bosses. For when they need us to bomb someone who doesn't even own an airplane.


Dont worry HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We dont expect a LIE-beral like you to have a functioning spine or an operational set of morals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If trouble ever comes you can just stand on the side lines and watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ready to jump in and polish the jack boots of the winners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
NZDoug
Free Thinker
#402
F35 p.o.s.
"The egregiously expensive and notoriously unreliable F-35 Joint Strike Fighter are even more of a disappointment than you previously thought, according to a new Department of Defense assessment obtained by Bloomberg News.
The 2018 report from the Pentagon's operational testing and evaluation arm, set for public release this week and obtained early by Bloomberg's Tony Capaccio, indicates that ongoing reliability issues have drastically shortened the service life far below expectations, so far that there's "no improving trend in" available aircraft for training and combat missions — a dangerous combinatio n for a perpetually buggy aircraft."
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...s-report-42892
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#403
Minister explains silence on SNC-Lavalin

Scheer demands emergency meeting over Trudeau, SNC-Lavalin allegations

Quote:

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer is calling for an emergency committee meeting over allegations that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's office interfered in the justice system.
On Thursday, Trudeau denied a report that the Prime Minister's Office pressured former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to help SNC-Lavalin avoid going to trial on fraud and corruption allegations and instead cut a deal known as a "remediation agreement."

READ MORE: Trudeau says report his office pressed former justice minister to drop SNC-Lavalin prosecution ‘false’

Speaking in front of reporters Friday, Scheer said the Conservatives and NDP will try and force the emergency meeting of the House of Commons justice committee with the goal of passing a motion calling on nine high-ranking officials to testify about the alleged interference in the SNC-Lavalin case.
It's quite clear there is a cover-up going on," Scheer said. He added that he wants the meeting to be called as early as Monday, and said if the Liberals block it, "then Canadians can conclude that the reports of political interference are true."
The Liberals hold a majority of seats on the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights and can vote Scheer's request down.
Some of the high-ranking officials Scheer wants to testify include Wilson-Raybould, Justice Minister David Lametti and Trudeau's two closest advisors: his chief of staff, Katie Telford, and principal secretary, Gerald Butts.
“The prime minister must immediately come clean to Canadians about what he knew about this case and when he knew it. Nothing short of full disclosure is acceptable," Scheer said.
When asked whether these allegations (based on two unnamed sources in a Globe and Mail article) are equal to obstruction of justice, Scheer said these type of questions can be posed during the committee process.
The Conservative leader was also asked if his party would consider asking the RCMP to investigate.
"Everything is on the table," Scheer replied.
The Globe and Mail report alleges that Wilson-Raybould refused to succumb to pressure from prime ministerial aides to intervene in the case of SNC-Lavalin, a Quebec engineering and construction giant that has been charged with bribery and corruption in a bid to secure government business in Libya.
The report suggested her refusal may have been the reason for her surprise demotion in a cabinet shuffle last month.

READ MORE: Singh says Trudeau should ‘welcome’ ethics investigation into alleged direction in SNC-Lavalin case

NDP leader Jagmeet Singh has also called for an ethics investigation into the case, saying if the allegations are not true then the prime minister should have nothing to fear from an independent investigation by the federal ethics commissioner.
Scheer said he stands behind Singh's ethics investigation request, as "all avenues need to be explored."

 
spilledthebeer
+1
#404
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

F35 p.o.s.
"The egregiously expensive and notoriously unreliable F-35 Joint Strike Fighter are even more of a disappointment than you previously thought, according to a new Department of Defense assessment obtained by Bloomberg News.
The 2018 report from the Pentagon's operational testing and evaluation arm, set for public release this week and obtained early by Bloomberg's Tony Capaccio, indicates that ongoing reliability issues have drastically shortened the service life far below expectations, so far that there's "no improving trend in" available aircraft for training and combat missions — a dangerous combinatio n for a perpetually buggy aircraft."
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...s-report-42892



So tell me NZDoug........................what does this ALLEGED REPORT have to do with the Cdn LIE-beral REFUSAL to BUY ANY



WEAPONS OF ANY SORT for the rotted out, worn out, rusted out Cdn military??????????????????????????



F 18 Super Hornets are reputed to be good planes.................but LIE-berals will not buy them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Pan Avia Tornadoes are reputed to be good planes............but LIE-berals will not buy them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


EH 101 helicopters had a PROVEN RECORD as good machines and LIE-berals paid FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS NOT TO BUY THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The flagship of the RCN is sitting in drydock- too old and rotted out to safely even take a cruise on the sunny Carribean Sea on a pleasant afternoon any more!!!!!!!!!!


The approximately 60 Leopard tanks the Cdn military owns are so old and worn out that LIE-berals cannot GIVE THEM AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!


The pistols owned by Cdn military are are so old and worn out that Cdn soldiers at shooting competitions are having trouble finding one that will actually FIRE A BULLET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it is not just major military matters that LIE-berals are DELIBERATELY NEGLECTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just get a good look at the number of Muslim terrorists that have recently carried out attacks on us while in an ALLEGEDLY deranged mental state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How is it that LIE-berals are letting these LUNATICS IN????????????????????


You dont see gangs of crazy people wearing KILTS and Sporrans going about stabbing Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So what is the LIE-beral BLIND SPOT with murderous Muslims??????????????????????


We have recently heard that LIE-berals are now SKIPPING the need to have illegals actually APPEAR AND EXPLAIN THEMSELVES to an immigration judge- the idea being to speed up the application process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So now most illegals will be able to just phone or write in and have papers mailed to them at the homeless hostel of their choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That sounds like a BUILT IN EXCUSE for immigration judges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They WILL NO LONGER NEED to make up bullsh+t excuses for why they let in the crazy loon who was busy drooling on himself and talking to his alternate personalities while waiting for his papers to be stamped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Here is the heart of LIE-beral philosophy: they want all the power and all the control and all the money................AND NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


Because they believe its all our fault for electing the BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#405
The BAE type 26 ships are in current use in several allied navies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrong-oh, Swilledthebeer.

The very first Type 26, HMS Glasgow, is on the ways right now and is due to launch this spring.

It is an up-to-the-minute design, as opposed to the other two competitors that have already been around for years. This is important when you consider that Canada will operate these ships until 2070 if our history is any indicator and you want to start with the most up-to-date platform available and that is the Type 26.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#406
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The F35 is not even close to being the best plane for our national defense.
We are in far greater need of water bombers - as a single example of something that would defend Canadians from actual harm.
The F35 is only good for deployment by our political allies/bosses. For when they need us to bomb someone who doesn't even own an airplane.

Employ fire suppression air to ground missiles then both sides of the argument could be happy
 
spilledthebeer
#407
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The BAE type 26 ships are in current use in several allied navies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wrong-oh, Swilledthebeer.

The very first Type 26, HMS Glasgow, is on the ways right now and is due to launch this spring.

It is an up-to-the-minute design, as opposed to the other two competitors that have already been around for years. This is important when you consider that Canada will operate these ships until 2070 if our history is any indicator and you want to start with the most up-to-date platform available and that is the Type 26.








Oh dear, Curious! No BAE type 26 actually completed



yet? But Cdn LIE-berals INSISTED they WOULD ONLY BUY



a proven, actually sailing design already in service with some



other navy so I had assumed there MUST be some sailing!



Oh well- take a LIE-beral at his word and he will make you



look mistaken every time!!!!!!!!

How is it that LIE-berals have reversed themselves 180 degrees and are now interested in BAE 26- even though the very first one is not quite ready to be launched? Such confusion?

Or not? Here is an article illustrating how little real commitment Cdn LIE-berals have to modernizing the Cdn military! With some comments of my own in brackets):

(In light of this LIE-beral claim to suddenly be interested in buying BAE 26 - and in connection with the trial of Cdn admiral Normn- I think we can make some UGLY conclusions about LIE-beral military intentions!!!!!!!!)

(Firstly- Our idiot Boy Justin is leaning towards the same impulse as his vile Soviet friendly father had- to just disband the ENTIRE Cdn military and abandon our allies and surrender to any Soviet dictators that come along! LIE-berals are just going through the motions on weapon purchases to silence national security critics for a while -based on such EVIDENCE that is available!)

BAE Type 26 warship rejected by DND years ago will now be the backbone of Canada's future navy!

The defence department noted that the Type 26 design could be modified for Canadian needs but concluded the 'technical and programme risk would be high'

(One should ask just HOW a British warship- built by a navy with centuries of SERIOUS combat experience could not fit Cdn military needs without needing RISKY alterations described as of “technical and programme risk”?)

(Is this military jargon meaning that LIE-berals with their total disdain for national security would leave loopholes wide enough for Chinese, Russian, Iranian and North Korean spies to drive a truck through? And thus COMPROMISE the advantage of obtaining such modern weapons by leaking information? Not just for RCN but for any other navy that also bought BAE 26?)

By David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen

February 8, 2019, 8:49 PM EST

Filed under: News/ Comment

The warship that will form the backbone of the country’s future maritime force was originally rejected by Canada’s defence department years ago as not capable of meeting the needs of the navy, according to documents obtained by Postmedia.

The Liberal government announced Friday that it had entered into a contract with Irving Shipbuilding to acquire new warships based on the Type 26 design being built in the United Kingdom.

Procurement minister Carla Qualtrough said at the announcement the Type 26 meets Canada’s requirements and the government feels it is the best design for the navy. Government officials say the design will be modified for Canadian needs and ultimately 15 of the ships will be constructed in the $60-billion Canadian Surface Combatant program.

(The TRUTH is that LIE-berals have thus far actually only expressed interest in an engine set inside an EMPTY HULL! ALL other details are up in the air! Such as:
What radars will the ships have?
What missiles and guidance systems will the ships carry???
What Sonar?
What long range air defense missiles??
What short range air defense weapons????
What anti shipping weapons???????????)

(NONE of this weapon stuff has even been discussed in any way just yet! LIE-berals have made clear they want the operating licenses for the gear- meaning they will OWN all the software needed to maintain the gear! This issue of owning licenses will mean that Cdn ships will not need to go to foreign ports to get others to repair or maintain their gear!!!!)

(But thus far LIE-berals have offered up NO GUARANTEE for PROTECTING the copyrights from enemy SPIES!! There is No assurance that shortly after the software arrives in Canada -that it will not be quickly copied for the benefit of hostile nations willing to purchase British and Yankee military secrets from LIE-berals who have NO loyalty to old allies!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And with our wide open borders there is no guarantee that some Chinese sleeper agent wont join RCN and photocopy technical manuals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The embrace of the Type 26 is a change from the Department of National Defence’s earlier examination of the vessels as it was being developed by the United Kingdom’s defence ministry. The DND had its eye on the Type 26 as far back as 2011 but rejected taking part in the program as well as any interest in the design as it did not meet Canadian needs, according to briefings obtained by Postmedia through the Access to Information law.

(Given the Kangaroo Court Circus surrounding the trial of Cdn admiral Norman and the refusal of LIE-berals to hand over documents for his legal defense- thus risking a miss -trial; and knowing how LIE-berals disdain the military; one has to ask again “WHAT IS IT ABOUT the BAE 26 that Defense Dept does not like?)

(Further- admiral Norman is accused of revealing secrets to some people at Davie Shipyards and to others interested in bidding on the contract to build the new ships! But LIE-berals REFUSE to discuss what national secrets Norman is ALLEGED to have disclosed- to other CANADIANS!)

(Normans defense team has issued subpoenas for various Cabinet documents that they say while exonerate Norman! But LIE-berals are refusing to release any documents - claiming such release would violate national security!)

(And should we assume our LIE-beral overlords are simply offering a delicate excuse in order to avoid admitting that our allies WILL NOT SELL us any modern technical gear without first having ironclad guarantees regarding security of the operating software for the weapons and electronics? Security guarantees that LIE-berals maybe REFUSE to offer?)

(Is this why the ship purchase is dragging on so long? Because LIE-beral Canada IS NOT TRUSTED by our former allies? Is this the dirty secret that Norman nearly leaked????)

An examination into the Type 26 by the DND noted that the design could be modified for Canadian needs but concluded the “technical and programme risk would be high.”

(Meaning there is SOME MAJOR GLITCH in the works if we cannot use a standard ship for the same duties as Brits do!!!! IS THERE A GREAT FEAR that critical software MIGHT BE STOLEN FROM CANADA? Is this why Norman is in trouble? Because he told others that Canada IS NO LONGER TRUSTED BY ITS ALLIES to buy top secret weaponry?!!!!!!!)

The DND also gave serious consideration in 2010 and 2011 to join the U.K. on the Type 26 program but decided against that because of the cost, risk, and potential that Canadian firms would not get enough work out of a joint venture.

(Yes- all Cdn govts have regarded military purchases as a fine opportunity to create jobs- AND basically STEAL technology and training opportunties from allies!! And we can expect LIE-berals -who really do not want to buy ANY warships- to use lack of jobs as an excuse to kill the deal- AFTER about a decade of fruitless half assed “negotiation”!!!!)

The 2011 review also highlighted issues with the Type 26 including crew size and speed. “Meeting tactical speed requirements, having sufficient crew to meet the projected Canadian operational tempo and ensuring relevance for thirty plus years of service are distinct Canadian requirements,” the review noted.

(In other words- DND is being pressured to provide a complete guarantee that the warships will be perfect in every way virtually FOREVER! With those newly in control LIE-berals having NO CLUE what new weapons or sensors or missiles will be on offer over the next 30 years- because the allies will not trust them with such critical information! LIE-berals really NEED to sort out which side they re on- but oh wait- THEY HAVE- and they SCORN YANKEES AND NATO- just as Pierre Trudope did!!!!!)

“While the T26 GCS design could be evolved to meet these needs, this would entail additional cost … and still include significant risks,” it added.

(Again- is this stuff about “significant risk” a code meaning Cdns being restricted in their weapon purchase because of SLOPPY Cdn military security and poor LIE-beral immigration policy and national security lapses? Is this why it is so costly to evolve the BAE ships to meet Cdn requirements? Because we would have to FIRST FIND and then round up and DEPORT a whole pack of SPIES sent to Canada from every country hostile to the west - BEFORE we got any modern weapons?????????????)

(It has been about 15 years since tv show W-5 did a program on a B.C. business allegedly being harassed by Canada Revenue Agency! The company faced tax evasion charges and various financial messes relating to a deal with China that was blocked by Canada Development Agency- allegedly acting- according to the company owners- on behalf of Yankee military - who was NOT PLEASED to see high quality - meaning alleged military grade computer chips being sold to China by the CDNS!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Pierre Trudeau was widely regarded in military circles as some sort of Soviet mole. Has the election of his idiot son, plus the rising aggression of China and Russia renewed cold war fears among our FORMER allies?????????/?)

(Our idiot Boy has spewed a LOT OF CRAP about Canada being a “post nationalist nation”!!!!!!!!!!! About how ALL white Cdns are systemic racists! About how he likes the way the Chinese get things done EVEN AS HE ignores THE PRAISE HIS VILE FATHER HEAPED ON Mao for his MASS MURDER of 30 million Chinese!)

(Our idiot Boy has praised immigrants who chose to come here from third world pest holes to abuse our charity over Cdns who were merely born here! He has raged about “Islamophobia” and suggested that returning Isis fighters will be a “powerful voice in Canada”! He has flat out refused to deport convicted Muslim terrorists! He has deliberately blown up NAFTA with his crap about gender issues and native rights!)

The idiot Boy has scorned Trump and tried to turn us towards China- even as military tensions grow between with the increasingly aggressive Chinese and the rest of the world! Australia has recently passed new laws to LIMIT Chinese influence in that country- and Australia is planning to buy its own BAE 26 ships along with 9 NEW diesel electric submarines to ensure they can keep their trade routes open- they certainly will NOT WANT Cdn LIE-berals to be selling BAE military secrets to the world!!!!!!!)

(Britain is committed to the BAE 26- and so are the Australians and Germany is seriously considering the ship and even United States is giving it a serious look! What collection of govts would want to put some hundreds of billions of dollars into a state of the art new weapon- only to have some big mouth Cdns spill the secrets a few short years later??????)

But the Canadian government has now completely reversed its opinion of the ship. With Canada ordering 15 of the warships, the Royal Canadian Navy will be the number one user of the Type 26 in the world.

(Assuming ANY are EVER actually BUILT for Canada! LIE-berals DO ENJOY the grand and meaningless announcement!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Canada did have the option of buying Italian ships of a type already in operation but now LIE-berals disdain that deal as the BAE ships would be more “modern”! Should we ask if the Italian ships came with the most up to date software and electronics? Or were the Italians holding the best stuff back? Is this why Cdn DND canned the Italian deal? Who wants to spend major money on second rate weapons???)

(Considering how awkward the learning curve was for RCN last time they got new ships- with all that exotic new computer guided gear, one has to ask if buying a couple of the slightly older Italian ships as training vessels might have been sensible?)

(After all- the current generation of Cdn sailors are being trained on nearly 30 year old gear! Surely there have been some changes in electronics in the last few decades that RCN needs to learn about??????????)

(Back in the 1980`s a then brand new Cdn destroyer was cruising off the B.C. coast - when its exotic new computer control system activated- identified an approaching enemy and launched a missile at it! While sailors scrambled to figure out what was happening and why? )

(The missile launch went fine and the shot squarely hit the “target” - which turned out to be a GARAGE in suburban Burnaby! To suggest that much of the equipment currently owned by Cdn military is PRIMITIVE is a major understatement!!!!)

The Liberal government’s announcement Friday provides for an initial $185 million to Irving Shipbuilding for design work on the Type 26.

(One has to ask again- why not piggy back on the Brit and Australian design deals? Why does Canada NEED such a unique design? Unless national security issues with our weapon suppliers is BLOCKING critical sales of software? Or unless- as I have suggested- that LIE-berals are just screwing around till after the 2019 election and will then kill the ship deal along with Kinder Morgan???? And where does admiral Norman and his alleged “national security breach” fit into this mess- unless his “breach” was to tell others how little trust our allies have in Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals ???????????????????/)

Canada’s purchase is the most complex and costly government acquisition in the country’s history, according to federal officials. Negotiations for the deal took place over a three-month period, a record considering the massive scope and risk of the project, according to industry observers.

(Oh- but if LIE-berals are just playing around then there is NO RISK AT ALL!! The ship purchase is also apparently the most contentious in our history due to software licensing deals and fear of leaky Cdn national security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The entry of the BAE Type 26 warship in the Canadian competition was controversial from the start and sparked complaints the procurement process was skewed to favour that vessel. Previously the Liberal government had said only mature existing designs or designs of ships already in service with other navies would be accepted, on the grounds they could be built faster and would be less risky. Unproven designs can face challenges as problems are found once the vessel is in the water and operating.

(Anybody who is paying attention will now believe that LIE-berals are currently blurting out any MILITARY CRAP and political posturing that they hope will LULL their MANY critics till after the next election! And DO NOT look for a resolution to the admiral Norman trial either- even a MISS TRIAL is not likely to end the argument since LIE-berals have destroyed the career of admiral Norman with their accusations- that they apparently cannot discuss in public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Liberals rush to sign Canadian Surface Combatant contract - deal could be signed by Friday

How much did Irving donate to the liberal coffers?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#409
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Singh wants investigation in SNC-Lavalin case
Ottawa locks down design for $60B warships
If it's the best ship for the future build the damn thing, that goes for the ice breaker supply ships as well, how much is procrastination costing us? If the F-35 is the best plane buy the damn thing how many Billion have we saved from shorting on our NATO agreement? Enough to upgrade our military?

The thing is SNCLavlin didn't do anything different than any other world class contractor. They just offered the highest payolla. IF the Canadian government wants to have world class construction companies headquartered in Canada they are going to have to accept world customs and get away from this sleepy backwater mentality.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The F35 is not even close to being the best plane for our national defense.
We are in far greater need of water bombers - as a single example of something that would defend Canadians from actual harm.
The F35 is only good for deployment by our political allies/bosses. For when they need us to bomb someone who doesn't even own an airplane.

Your stupid is showing again.
 
spilledthebeer
#411
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

How much did Irving donate to the liberal coffers?




Oh taxslave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


You have asked a TRULY STUPID QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


AS I have already posted - see above- LIE-berals are JUST SCREWING AROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berls HAVE NO INTENTION of actually buying any weapons for Cdn Military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Therefore any "donations" made to LIE-berals by a Cdn ship builder ARE WASTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Hoid
#412
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Your stupid is showing again.

and this is your brilliance on display?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#413
yet? But Cdn LIE-berals INSISTED they WOULD ONLY BUY



a proven, actually sailing design already in service with some



other navy so I had assumed there MUST be some sailing!


Well,that's just Liberal stupid. If they had enforced that rule, we'd end up agreeing to buy a decade old design and eventually building a two decades old design in an environment of rapid design development.


BTW, Do you think that the Brits are somehow novices at warship design and construction? They are the best in the world at it,for the most part, with 700 years of continuous experience behind them. A lot of features included in the Type 26 have been prototyped and de-bugged in the Type 45 destroyer.

I'm trying to remember the last warship class that the British launched that was a dog (besides teething pains with the Type 45's revolutionary propulsion). The US, on the other hand, has already pulled the plug on their "Littoral" combat ship program that was going to solve all of their problems and suddenly they are noticing that they have no Frigates to escort their big carriers and keep them safe from submarines. Canada's small but well trained anti-submarine Frigate fleet may be more valuable to them than we realize.
 
spilledthebeer
#414
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

yet? But Cdn LIE-berals INSISTED they WOULD ONLY BUY



a proven, actually sailing design already in service with some



other navy so I had assumed there MUST be some sailing!


Well,that's just Liberal stupid. If they had enforced that rule, we'd end up agreeing to buy a decade old design and eventually building a two decades old design in an environment of rapid design development.


BTW, Do you think that the Brits are somehow novices at warship design and construction? They are the best in the world at it,for the most part, with 700 years of continuous experience behind them. A lot of features included in the Type 26 have been prototyped and de-bugged in the Type 45 destroyer.

I'm trying to remember the last warship class that the British launched that was a dog (besides teething pains with the Type 45's revolutionary propulsion). The US, on the other hand, has already pulled the plug on their "Littoral" combat ship program that was going to solve all of their problems and suddenly they are noticing that they have no Frigates to escort their big carriers and keep them safe from submarines. Canada's small but well trained anti-submarine Frigate fleet may be more valuable to them than we realize.




OH my!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


CONGRATULATIONS Curious Cdn on being a TYPICAL CDN LIE-beral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you ever again try to tell me you are not a LIE-beral - any medical costs incurred will be on you for when I fall out of my chair while laughing at your crap and risk hitting my head on the floor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!



You are PARROTING BACK some of MY WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


You are DELIBERATELY twisting other words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!



AND your are TOTALLY IGNORING the basic and plainly stupid LIE-beral HYPOCRISY towards the military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I PERSONALLY already stated that Brits have hundreds of years of experience in naval combat so do not try your LIE-beral word twisting CRAP on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Oh yes- buying an existing design means buying an OLDER ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But it ALSO MEANS getting the RCN SOME ACTUAL WEAPONS- for a change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AS I have already mentioned- and which you are hoping will NOT be mentioned- RCN DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE DESTROYER capable of going to sea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


RCN is operating with some elderly frigates that are beginning to develop their own engine fires -just like the even older destroyers that can no longer leave harbour safely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Did you FORGET- in typical LIE-beral fashion -about the OLD CDN frigate taking part in NATO exercises this summer- getting TOWED to the nearest port in Norway after suffering a crippling engine fire?????????????????



Quick now Curious- change the subject before more embarrassing details come to light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Such as how the old cdn frigates are almost completely defenseless against air attack............and yet there they are in Norwegian arctic waters.............well within range of Soviet bombers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Cdn FLAGSHIP - a 30v plus year old destroyer relic that is so decrepit that it cannot cruise on a calm sunny afternoon in the Carribean without catching fire -is currently tied to a dock in Halifax -being used to train the next generation of Cdn sailors to operate OBSOLETE EQUIPMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for buying a totally new design- LIE-berals WILL NOT PLAY ALONG with the development costs that come with deploying a high quality new weapon so you are being DECEITFUL in pretending they will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals paid a $500 million dollar PENALTY to avoid having to buy EH 101 helicopters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the Eh 101`s were not attack machines- they were set up to either do search and rescue- and do anti submarine work - chasing Russian nuclear subs in Cdn waters and LIE-berals DO NOT WANT such jobs done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals KILLED OFF the F 35 purchase because of the escalating cost of developing the weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have just paid out about $150 million for preliminary design work............that will carry them past the October election and then ..............if LIE-berals are still in power they can then KILL the ship deal on the grounds it is too costly or that it does not provide enough Cdn jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



There is EVERY REASON to believe that LIE-berals will KILL OFF the BAE 26 destroyer deal after the election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Curious - you are presenting fabulous LIE-beral WEASEL Words in defense of shameless HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are clearly trying to help your LIE-beral overlords escape condemnation for making such a fabulous MESS of our national security that even our former closest allies apparently no longer trust LIE-beral govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It would appear that Our idiot Boy has really tipped NATO against his govt by sucking up to China

and accepting Huawei Chinese spy gear in Canada- which NONE of the other NATO countries has accepted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for the Littoral class of Yankee ships- this is the classic LIE-beral penny pinching move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Trying to make one weapon do many jobs efficiently!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A sports car cannot haul heavy cargo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



A carpenters saw will not neatly cut your steak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The F 35 has its virtues ...................but if I was a pilot flying out over the Beaufort Sea in winter darkness I would PREFER a twin engine and slightly older Super Hornet...............just because I would not want to swim home if that single F35 engine FAILED!!!!!!!!!!!


But there is the central point YET AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have NO INTENTION orf buying ANY JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


FIGHTER JETS ARE WEAPONS...............and Soviet Cdn socialist LIE-beral values DICTATE that we Cdns do not need such things!!!!!!!!!!


Why dont you re -read the post that you clearly did not understand the first time around- maybe you an come up with some more weasel words and LIE-beral fake News:::::


Oh dear, Curious! No BAE type 26 actually completed yet? But Cdn LIE-berals INSISTED they WOULD ONLY BUY a proven, actually sailing design already in service with some other navy so I had assumed there MUST be some sailing! Oh well- take a LIE-beral at his word and he will make you look mistaken every time!!!!!!!!

How is it that LIE-berals have reversed themselves 180 degrees and are now interested in BAE 26- even though the very first one is not quite ready to be launched? Such confusion?

Or not? Here is an article illustrating how little real commitment Cdn LIE-berals have to modernizing the Cdn military! With some comments of my own in brackets):

(In light of this LIE-beral claim to suddenly be interested in buying BAE 26 - and in connection with the trial of Cdn admiral Normn- I think we can make some UGLY conclusions about LIE-beral military intentions!!!!!!!!)

(Firstly- Our idiot Boy Justin is leaning towards the same impulse as his vile Soviet friendly father had- to just disband the ENTIRE Cdn military and abandon our allies and surrender to any Soviet dictators that come along! LIE-berals are just going through the motions on weapon purchases to silence national security critics for a while -based on such EVIDENCE that is available!)

BAE Type 26 warship rejected by DND years ago will now be the backbone of Canada's future navy!

The defence department noted that the Type 26 design could be modified for Canadian needs but concluded the 'technical and programme risk would be high'

(One should ask just HOW a British warship- built by a navy with centuries of SERIOUS combat experience could not fit Cdn military needs without needing RISKY alterations described as of “technical and programme risk”?)

(Is this military jargon meaning that LIE-berals with their total disdain for national security would leave loopholes wide enough for Chinese, Russian, Iranian and North Korean spies to drive a truck through? And thus COMPROMISE the advantage of obtaining such modern weapons by leaking information? Not just for RCN but for any other navy that also bought BAE 26?)

By David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen

February 8, 2019, 8:49 PM EST

Filed under: News/ Comment

The warship that will form the backbone of the country’s future maritime force was originally rejected by Canada’s defence department years ago as not capable of meeting the needs of the navy, according to documents obtained by Postmedia.

The Liberal government announced Friday that it had entered into a contract with Irving Shipbuilding to acquire new warships based on the Type 26 design being built in the United Kingdom.

Procurement minister Carla Qualtrough said at the announcement the Type 26 meets Canada’s requirements and the government feels it is the best design for the navy. Government officials say the design will be modified for Canadian needs and ultimately 15 of the ships will be constructed in the $60-billion Canadian Surface Combatant program.

(The TRUTH is that LIE-berals have thus far actually only expressed interest in an engine set inside an EMPTY HULL! ALL other details are up in the air! Such as:
What radars will the ships have?
What missiles and guidance systems will the ships carry???
What Sonar?
What long range air defense missiles??
What short range air defense weapons????
What anti shipping weapons???????????)

(NONE of this weapon stuff has even been discussed in any way just yet! LIE-berals have made clear they want the operating licenses for the gear- meaning they will OWN all the software needed to maintain the gear! This issue of owning licenses will mean that Cdn ships will not need to go to foreign ports to get others to repair or maintain their gear!!!!)

(But thus far LIE-berals have offered up NO GUARANTEE for PROTECTING the copyrights from enemy SPIES!! There is No assurance that shortly after the software arrives in Canada -that it will not be quickly copied for the benefit of hostile nations willing to purchase British and Yankee military secrets from LIE-berals who have NO loyalty to old allies!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And with our wide open borders there is no guarantee that some Chinese sleeper agent wont join RCN and photocopy technical manuals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The embrace of the Type 26 is a change from the Department of National Defence’s earlier examination of the vessels as it was being developed by the United Kingdom’s defence ministry. The DND had its eye on the Type 26 as far back as 2011 but rejected taking part in the program as well as any interest in the design as it did not meet Canadian needs, according to briefings obtained by Postmedia through the Access to Information law.

(Given the Kangaroo Court Circus surrounding the trial of Cdn admiral Norman and the refusal of LIE-berals to hand over documents for his legal defense- thus risking a miss -trial; and knowing how LIE-berals disdain the military; one has to ask again “WHAT IS IT ABOUT the BAE 26 that Defense Dept does not like?)

(Further- admiral Norman is accused of revealing secrets to some people at Davie Shipyards and to others interested in bidding on the contract to build the new ships! But LIE-berals REFUSE to discuss what national secrets Norman is ALLEGED to have disclosed- to other CANADIANS!)

(Normans defense team has issued subpoenas for various Cabinet documents that they say while exonerate Norman! But LIE-berals are refusing to release any documents - claiming such release would violate national security!)

(And should we assume our LIE-beral overlords are simply offering a delicate excuse in order to avoid admitting that our allies WILL NOT SELL us any modern technical gear without first having ironclad guarantees regarding security of the operating software for the weapons and electronics? Security guarantees that LIE-berals maybe REFUSE to offer?)

(Is this why the ship purchase is dragging on so long? Because LIE-beral Canada IS NOT TRUSTED by our former allies? Is this the dirty secret that Norman nearly leaked????)

An examination into the Type 26 by the DND noted that the design could be modified for Canadian needs but concluded the “technical and programme risk would be high.”

(Meaning there is SOME MAJOR GLITCH in the works if we cannot use a standard ship for the same duties as Brits do!!!! IS THERE A GREAT FEAR that critical software MIGHT BE STOLEN FROM CANADA? Is this why Norman is in trouble? Because he told others that Canada IS NO LONGER TRUSTED BY ITS ALLIES to buy top secret weaponry?!!!!!!!)

The DND also gave serious consideration in 2010 and 2011 to join the U.K. on the Type 26 program but decided against that because of the cost, risk, and potential that Canadian firms would not get enough work out of a joint venture.

(Yes- all Cdn govts have regarded military purchases as a fine opportunity to create jobs- AND basically STEAL technology and training opportunties from allies!! And we can expect LIE-berals -who really do not want to buy ANY warships- to use lack of jobs as an excuse to kill the deal- AFTER about a decade of fruitless half assed “negotiation”!!!!)

The 2011 review also highlighted issues with the Type 26 including crew size and speed. “Meeting tactical speed requirements, having sufficient crew to meet the projected Canadian operational tempo and ensuring relevance for thirty plus years of service are distinct Canadian requirements,” the review noted.

(In other words- DND is being pressured to provide a complete guarantee that the warships will be perfect in every way virtually FOREVER! With those newly in control LIE-berals having NO CLUE what new weapons or sensors or missiles will be on offer over the next 30 years- because the allies will not trust them with such critical information! LIE-berals really NEED to sort out which side they re on- but oh wait- THEY HAVE- and they SCORN YANKEES AND NATO- just as Pierre Trudope did!!!!!)

“While the T26 GCS design could be evolved to meet these needs, this would entail additional cost … and still include significant risks,” it added.

(Again- is this stuff about “significant risk” a code meaning Cdns being restricted in their weapon purchase because of SLOPPY Cdn military security and poor LIE-beral immigration policy and national security lapses? Is this why it is so costly to evolve the BAE ships to meet Cdn requirements? Because we would have to FIRST FIND and then round up and DEPORT a whole pack of SPIES sent to Canada from every country hostile to the west - BEFORE we got any modern weapons?????????????)

(It has been about 15 years since tv show W-5 did a program on a B.C. business allegedly being harassed by Canada Revenue Agency! The company faced tax evasion charges and various financial messes relating to a deal with China that was blocked by Canada Development Agency- allegedly acting- according to the company owners- on behalf of Yankee military - who was NOT PLEASED to see high quality - meaning alleged military grade computer chips being sold to China by the CDNS!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Pierre Trudeau was widely regarded in military circles as some sort of Soviet mole. Has the election of his idiot son, plus the rising aggression of China and Russia renewed cold war fears among our FORMER allies?????????/?)

(Our idiot Boy has spewed a LOT OF CRAP about Canada being a “post nationalist nation”!!!!!!!!!!! About how ALL white Cdns are systemic racists! About how he likes the way the Chinese get things done EVEN AS HE ignores THE PRAISE HIS VILE FATHER HEAPED ON Mao for his MASS MURDER of 30 million Chinese!)

(Our idiot Boy has praised immigrants who chose to come here from third world pest holes to abuse our charity over Cdns who were merely born here! He has raged about “Islamophobia” and suggested that returning Isis fighters will be a “powerful voice in Canada”! He has flat out refused to deport convicted Muslim terrorists! He has deliberately blown up NAFTA with his crap about gender issues and native rights!)

The idiot Boy has scorned Trump and tried to turn us towards China- even as military tensions grow between with the increasingly aggressive Chinese and the rest of the world! Australia has recently passed new laws to LIMIT Chinese influence in that country- and Australia is planning to buy its own BAE 26 ships along with 9 NEW diesel electric submarines to ensure they can keep their trade routes open- they certainly will NOT WANT Cdn LIE-berals to be selling BAE military secrets to the world!!!!!!!)

(Britain is committed to the BAE 26- and so are the Australians and Germany is seriously considering the ship and even United States is giving it a serious look! What collection of govts would want to put some hundreds of billions of dollars into a state of the art new weapon- only to have some big mouth Cdns spill the secrets a few short years later??????)

But the Canadian government has now completely reversed its opinion of the ship. With Canada ordering 15 of the warships, the Royal Canadian Navy will be the number one user of the Type 26 in the world.

(Assuming ANY are EVER actually BUILT for Canada! LIE-berals DO ENJOY the grand and meaningless announcement!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Canada did have the option of buying Italian ships of a type already in operation but now LIE-berals disdain that deal as the BAE ships would be more “modern”! Should we ask if the Italian ships came with the most up to date software and electronics? Or were the Italians holding the best stuff back? Is this why Cdn DND canned the Italian deal? Who wants to spend major money on second rate weapons???)

(Considering how awkward the learning curve was for RCN last time they got new ships- with all that exotic new computer guided gear, one has to ask if buying a couple of the slightly older Italian ships as training vessels might have been sensible?)

(After all- the current generation of Cdn sailors are being trained on nearly 30 year old gear! Surely there have been some changes in electronics in the last few decades that RCN needs to learn about??????????)

(Back in the 1980`s a then brand new Cdn destroyer was cruising off the B.C. coast - when its exotic new computer control system activated- identified an approaching enemy and launched a missile at it! While sailors scrambled to figure out what was happening and why? )

(The missile launch went fine and the shot squarely hit the “target” - which turned out to be a GARAGE in suburban Burnaby! To suggest that much of the equipment currently owned by Cdn military is PRIMITIVE is a major understatement!!!!)

The Liberal government’s announcement Friday provides for an initial $185 million to Irving Shipbuilding for design work on the Type 26.

(One has to ask again- why not piggy back on the Brit and Australian design deals? Why does Canada NEED such a unique design? Unless national security issues with our weapon suppliers is BLOCKING critical sales of software? Or unless- as I have suggested- that LIE-berals are just screwing around till after the 2019 election and will then kill the ship deal along with Kinder Morgan???? And where does admiral Norman and his alleged “national security breach” fit into this mess- unless his “breach” was to tell others how little trust our allies have in Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals ???????????????????/)

Canada’s purchase is the most complex and costly government acquisition in the country’s history, according to federal officials. Negotiations for the deal took place over a three-month period, a record considering the massive scope and risk of the project, according to industry observers.

(Oh- but if LIE-berals are just playing around then there is NO RISK AT ALL!! The ship purchase is also apparently the most contentious in our history due to software licensing deals and fear of leaky Cdn national security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The entry of the BAE Type 26 warship in the Canadian competition was controversial from the start and sparked complaints the procurement process was skewed to favour that vessel. Previously the Liberal government had said only mature existing designs or designs of ships already in service with other navies would be accepted, on the grounds they could be built faster and would be less risky. Unproven designs can face challenges as problems are found once the vessel is in the water and operating.

(Anybody who is paying attention will now believe that LIE-berals are currently blurting out any MILITARY CRAP and political posturing that they hope will LULL their MANY critics till after the next election! And DO NOT look for a resolution to the admiral Norman trial either- even a MISS TRIAL is not likely to end the argument since LIE-berals have destroyed the career of admiral Norman with their accusations- that they apparently cannot discuss in public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+2
#415
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post



OH my!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


CONGRATULATIONS Curious Cdn on being a TYPICAL CDN LIE-beral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you ever again try to tell me you are not a LIE-beral - any medical costs incurred will be on you for when I fall out of my chair while laughing at your crap and risk hitting my head on the floor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

You are PARROTING BACK some of MY WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
You are DELIBERATELY twisting other words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
AND your are TOTALLY IGNORING the basic and plainly stupid LIE-beral HYPOCRISY towards the military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I PERSONALLY already stated that Brits have hundreds of years of experience in naval combat so do not try your LIE-beral word twisting CRAP on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yes- buying an existing design means buying an OLDER ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But it ALSO MEANS getting the RCN SOME ACTUAL WEAPONS- for a change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AS I have already mentioned- and which you are hoping will NOT be mentioned- RCN DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE DESTROYER capable of going to sea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RCN is operating with some elderly frigates that are beginning to develop their own engine fires -just like the even older destroyers that can no longer leave harbour safely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you FORGET- in typical LIE-beral fashion -about the OLD CDN frigate taking part in NATO exercises this summer- getting TOWED to the nearest port in Norway after suffering a crippling engine fire?????????????????
Quick now Curious- change the subject before more embarrassing details come to light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such as how the old cdn frigates are almost completely defenseless against air attack............and yet there they are in Norwegian arctic waters.............well within range of Soviet bombers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Cdn FLAGSHIP - a 30v plus year old destroyer relic that is so decrepit that it cannot cruise on a calm sunny afternoon in the Carribean without catching fire -is currently tied to a dock in Halifax -being used to train the next generation of Cdn sailors to operate OBSOLETE EQUIPMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for buying a totally new design- LIE-berals WILL NOT PLAY ALONG with the development costs that come with deploying a high quality new weapon so you are being DECEITFUL in pretending they will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals paid a $500 million dollar PENALTY to avoid having to buy EH 101 helicopters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the Eh 101`s were not attack machines- they were set up to either do search and rescue- and do anti submarine work - chasing Russian nuclear subs in Cdn waters and LIE-berals DO NOT WANT such jobs done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals KILLED OFF the F 35 purchase because of the escalating cost of developing the weapon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals have just paid out about $150 million for preliminary design work............that will carry them past the October election and then ..............if LIE-berals are still in power they can then KILL the ship deal on the grounds it is too costly or that it does not provide enough Cdn jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is EVERY REASON to believe that LIE-berals will KILL OFF the BAE 26 destroyer deal after the election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Curious - you are presenting fabulous LIE-beral WEASEL Words in defense of shameless HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are clearly trying to help your LIE-beral overlords escape condemnation for making such a fabulous MESS of our national security that even our former closest allies apparently no longer trust LIE-beral govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It would appear that Our idiot Boy has really tipped NATO against his govt by sucking up to China
and accepting Huawei Chinese spy gear in Canada- which NONE of the other NATO countries has accepted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the Littoral class of Yankee ships- this is the classic LIE-beral penny pinching move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trying to make one weapon do many jobs efficiently!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A sports car cannot haul heavy cargo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A carpenters saw will not neatly cut your steak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The F 35 has its virtues ...................but if I was a pilot flying out over the Beaufort Sea in winter darkness I would PREFER a twin engine and slightly older Super Hornet...............just because I would not want to swim home if that single F35 engine FAILED!!!!!!!!!!!
But there is the central point YET AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals have NO INTENTION orf buying ANY JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
FIGHTER JETS ARE WEAPONS...............and Soviet Cdn socialist LIE-beral values DICTATE that we Cdns do not need such things!!!!!!!!!!
Why dont you re -read the post that you clearly did not understand the first time around- maybe you an come up with some more weasel words and LIE-beral fake News:::::
Oh dear, Curious! No BAE type 26 actually completed yet? But Cdn LIE-berals INSISTED they WOULD ONLY BUY a proven, actually sailing design already in service with some other navy so I had assumed there MUST be some sailing! Oh well- take a LIE-beral at his word and he will make you look mistaken every time!!!!!!!!
How is it that LIE-berals have reversed themselves 180 degrees and are now interested in BAE 26- even though the very first one is not quite ready to be launched? Such confusion?
Or not? Here is an article illustrating how little real commitment Cdn LIE-berals have to modernizing the Cdn military! With some comments of my own in brackets):
(In light of this LIE-beral claim to suddenly be interested in buying BAE 26 - and in connection with the trial of Cdn admiral Normn- I think we can make some UGLY conclusions about LIE-beral military intentions!!!!!!!!)
(Firstly- Our idiot Boy Justin is leaning towards the same impulse as his vile Soviet friendly father had- to just disband the ENTIRE Cdn military and abandon our allies and surrender to any Soviet dictators that come along! LIE-berals are just going through the motions on weapon purchases to silence national security critics for a while -based on such EVIDENCE that is available!)
BAE Type 26 warship rejected by DND years ago will now be the backbone of Canada's future navy!
The defence department noted that the Type 26 design could be modified for Canadian needs but concluded the 'technical and programme risk would be high'
(One should ask just HOW a British warship- built by a navy with centuries of SERIOUS combat experience could not fit Cdn military needs without needing RISKY alterations described as of “technical and programme risk”?)
(Is this military jargon meaning that LIE-berals with their total disdain for national security would leave loopholes wide enough for Chinese, Russian, Iranian and North Korean spies to drive a truck through? And thus COMPROMISE the advantage of obtaining such modern weapons by leaking information? Not just for RCN but for any other navy that also bought BAE 26?)
By David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen
February 8, 2019, 8:49 PM EST
Filed under: News/ Comment
The warship that will form the backbone of the country’s future maritime force was originally rejected by Canada’s defence department years ago as not capable of meeting the needs of the navy, according to documents obtained by Postmedia.
The Liberal government announced Friday that it had entered into a contract with Irving Shipbuilding to acquire new warships based on the Type 26 design being built in the United Kingdom.
Procurement minister Carla Qualtrough said at the announcement the Type 26 meets Canada’s requirements and the government feels it is the best design for the navy. Government officials say the design will be modified for Canadian needs and ultimately 15 of the ships will be constructed in the $60-billion Canadian Surface Combatant program.
(The TRUTH is that LIE-berals have thus far actually only expressed interest in an engine set inside an EMPTY HULL! ALL other details are up in the air! Such as:
What radars will the ships have?
What missiles and guidance systems will the ships carry???
What Sonar?
What long range air defense missiles??
What short range air defense weapons????
What anti shipping weapons???????????)
(NONE of this weapon stuff has even been discussed in any way just yet! LIE-berals have made clear they want the operating licenses for the gear- meaning they will OWN all the software needed to maintain the gear! This issue of owning licenses will mean that Cdn ships will not need to go to foreign ports to get others to repair or maintain their gear!!!!)
(But thus far LIE-berals have offered up NO GUARANTEE for PROTECTING the copyrights from enemy SPIES!! There is No assurance that shortly after the software arrives in Canada -that it will not be quickly copied for the benefit of hostile nations willing to purchase British and Yankee military secrets from LIE-berals who have NO loyalty to old allies!!!!!!!!!!!)
(And with our wide open borders there is no guarantee that some Chinese sleeper agent wont join RCN and photocopy technical manuals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The embrace of the Type 26 is a change from the Department of National Defence’s earlier examination of the vessels as it was being developed by the United Kingdom’s defence ministry. The DND had its eye on the Type 26 as far back as 2011 but rejected taking part in the program as well as any interest in the design as it did not meet Canadian needs, according to briefings obtained by Postmedia through the Access to Information law.
(Given the Kangaroo Court Circus surrounding the trial of Cdn admiral Norman and the refusal of LIE-berals to hand over documents for his legal defense- thus risking a miss -trial; and knowing how LIE-berals disdain the military; one has to ask again “WHAT IS IT ABOUT the BAE 26 that Defense Dept does not like?)
(Further- admiral Norman is accused of revealing secrets to some people at Davie Shipyards and to others interested in bidding on the contract to build the new ships! But LIE-berals REFUSE to discuss what national secrets Norman is ALLEGED to have disclosed- to other CANADIANS!)
(Normans defense team has issued subpoenas for various Cabinet documents that they say while exonerate Norman! But LIE-berals are refusing to release any documents - claiming such release would violate national security!)
(And should we assume our LIE-beral overlords are simply offering a delicate excuse in order to avoid admitting that our allies WILL NOT SELL us any modern technical gear without first having ironclad guarantees regarding security of the operating software for the weapons and electronics? Security guarantees that LIE-berals maybe REFUSE to offer?)
(Is this why the ship purchase is dragging on so long? Because LIE-beral Canada IS NOT TRUSTED by our former allies? Is this the dirty secret that Norman nearly leaked????)
An examination into the Type 26 by the DND noted that the design could be modified for Canadian needs but concluded the “technical and programme risk would be high.”
(Meaning there is SOME MAJOR GLITCH in the works if we cannot use a standard ship for the same duties as Brits do!!!! IS THERE A GREAT FEAR that critical software MIGHT BE STOLEN FROM CANADA? Is this why Norman is in trouble? Because he told others that Canada IS NO LONGER TRUSTED BY ITS ALLIES to buy top secret weaponry?!!!!!!!)
The DND also gave serious consideration in 2010 and 2011 to join the U.K. on the Type 26 program but decided against that because of the cost, risk, and potential that Canadian firms would not get enough work out of a joint venture.
(Yes- all Cdn govts have regarded military purchases as a fine opportunity to create jobs- AND basically STEAL technology and training opportunties from allies!! And we can expect LIE-berals -who really do not want to buy ANY warships- to use lack of jobs as an excuse to kill the deal- AFTER about a decade of fruitless half assed “negotiation”!!!!)
The 2011 review also highlighted issues with the Type 26 including crew size and speed. “Meeting tactical speed requirements, having sufficient crew to meet the projected Canadian operational tempo and ensuring relevance for thirty plus years of service are distinct Canadian requirements,” the review noted.
(In other words- DND is being pressured to provide a complete guarantee that the warships will be perfect in every way virtually FOREVER! With those newly in control LIE-berals having NO CLUE what new weapons or sensors or missiles will be on offer over the next 30 years- because the allies will not trust them with such critical information! LIE-berals really NEED to sort out which side they re on- but oh wait- THEY HAVE- and they SCORN YANKEES AND NATO- just as Pierre Trudope did!!!!!)
“While the T26 GCS design could be evolved to meet these needs, this would entail additional cost … and still include significant risks,” it added.
(Again- is this stuff about “significant risk” a code meaning Cdns being restricted in their weapon purchase because of SLOPPY Cdn military security and poor LIE-beral immigration policy and national security lapses? Is this why it is so costly to evolve the BAE ships to meet Cdn requirements? Because we would have to FIRST FIND and then round up and DEPORT a whole pack of SPIES sent to Canada from every country hostile to the west - BEFORE we got any modern weapons?????????????)
(It has been about 15 years since tv show W-5 did a program on a B.C. business allegedly being harassed by Canada Revenue Agency! The company faced tax evasion charges and various financial messes relating to a deal with China that was blocked by Canada Development Agency- allegedly acting- according to the company owners- on behalf of Yankee military - who was NOT PLEASED to see high quality - meaning alleged military grade computer chips being sold to China by the CDNS!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Pierre Trudeau was widely regarded in military circles as some sort of Soviet mole. Has the election of his idiot son, plus the rising aggression of China and Russia renewed cold war fears among our FORMER allies?????????/?)
(Our idiot Boy has spewed a LOT OF CRAP about Canada being a “post nationalist nation”!!!!!!!!!!! About how ALL white Cdns are systemic racists! About how he likes the way the Chinese get things done EVEN AS HE ignores THE PRAISE HIS VILE FATHER HEAPED ON Mao for his MASS MURDER of 30 million Chinese!)
(Our idiot Boy has praised immigrants who chose to come here from third world pest holes to abuse our charity over Cdns who were merely born here! He has raged about “Islamophobia” and suggested that returning Isis fighters will be a “powerful voice in Canada”! He has flat out refused to deport convicted Muslim terrorists! He has deliberately blown up NAFTA with his crap about gender issues and native rights!)
The idiot Boy has scorned Trump and tried to turn us towards China- even as military tensions grow between with the increasingly aggressive Chinese and the rest of the world! Australia has recently passed new laws to LIMIT Chinese influence in that country- and Australia is planning to buy its own BAE 26 ships along with 9 NEW diesel electric submarines to ensure they can keep their trade routes open- they certainly will NOT WANT Cdn LIE-berals to be selling BAE military secrets to the world!!!!!!!)
(Britain is committed to the BAE 26- and so are the Australians and Germany is seriously considering the ship and even United States is giving it a serious look! What collection of govts would want to put some hundreds of billions of dollars into a state of the art new weapon- only to have some big mouth Cdns spill the secrets a few short years later??????)
But the Canadian government has now completely reversed its opinion of the ship. With Canada ordering 15 of the warships, the Royal Canadian Navy will be the number one user of the Type 26 in the world.
(Assuming ANY are EVER actually BUILT for Canada! LIE-berals DO ENJOY the grand and meaningless announcement!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Canada did have the option of buying Italian ships of a type already in operation but now LIE-berals disdain that deal as the BAE ships would be more “modern”! Should we ask if the Italian ships came with the most up to date software and electronics? Or were the Italians holding the best stuff back? Is this why Cdn DND canned the Italian deal? Who wants to spend major money on second rate weapons???)
(Considering how awkward the learning curve was for RCN last time they got new ships- with all that exotic new computer guided gear, one has to ask if buying a couple of the slightly older Italian ships as training vessels might have been sensible?)
(After all- the current generation of Cdn sailors are being trained on nearly 30 year old gear! Surely there have been some changes in electronics in the last few decades that RCN needs to learn about??????????)
(Back in the 1980`s a then brand new Cdn destroyer was cruising off the B.C. coast - when its exotic new computer control system activated- identified an approaching enemy and launched a missile at it! While sailors scrambled to figure out what was happening and why? )
(The missile launch went fine and the shot squarely hit the “target” - which turned out to be a GARAGE in suburban Burnaby! To suggest that much of the equipment currently owned by Cdn military is PRIMITIVE is a major understatement!!!!)
The Liberal government’s announcement Friday provides for an initial $185 million to Irving Shipbuilding for design work on the Type 26.
(One has to ask again- why not piggy back on the Brit and Australian design deals? Why does Canada NEED such a unique design? Unless national security issues with our weapon suppliers is BLOCKING critical sales of software? Or unless- as I have suggested- that LIE-berals are just screwing around till after the 2019 election and will then kill the ship deal along with Kinder Morgan???? And where does admiral Norman and his alleged “national security breach” fit into this mess- unless his “breach” was to tell others how little trust our allies have in Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals ???????????????????/)
Canada’s purchase is the most complex and costly government acquisition in the country’s history, according to federal officials. Negotiations for the deal took place over a three-month period, a record considering the massive scope and risk of the project, according to industry observers.
(Oh- but if LIE-berals are just playing around then there is NO RISK AT ALL!! The ship purchase is also apparently the most contentious in our history due to software licensing deals and fear of leaky Cdn national security!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The entry of the BAE Type 26 warship in the Canadian competition was controversial from the start and sparked complaints the procurement process was skewed to favour that vessel. Previously the Liberal government had said only mature existing designs or designs of ships already in service with other navies would be accepted, on the grounds they could be built faster and would be less risky. Unproven designs can face challenges as problems are found once the vessel is in the water and operating.
(Anybody who is paying attention will now believe that LIE-berals are currently blurting out any MILITARY CRAP and political posturing that they hope will LULL their MANY critics till after the next election! And DO NOT look for a resolution to the admiral Norman trial either- even a MISS TRIAL is not likely to end the argument since LIE-berals have destroyed the career of admiral Norman with their accusations- that they apparently cannot discuss in public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The real pity is that we've lost the skills and abilities to design our own war ships in Canada because we were really good at it and the CPFs and the 280s before them were both cutting edge ships in certain ways. The 280s were the world's first all gas turbine propelled destroyers and that ended the world of steam turbines, forever. The Patrol Frigate program came along after the oil crises of the 1970s and they wisely split up the propulsion, The "cruising mode" using diesel gives our Frigates tremendous range as they sip fuel at cruising speeds. Our Frigates can range farther and wider than just about anyone else's and our governments figured out long ago that we can "show up" with our Navy, anywhere on Earth for (relative) pennies. If the Frigates have to fight or the skipper wants to water ski, they kick in the fuel-sucking gas turbines and they take off like a rocket.

Our Frigates are both radar and infrared stealth pioneers. They have some non-relective surfaces on them but the big thing with them is that they are a "deck lower". Take a look at them They don't stick way the hell up like the Ardleigh Burkes. No need to, now that naval gunnery is utterly obsolete. The Americans didn't get the memo about that, apparently and they build ten story high apartment blocks on their hulls.
 
EagleSmack
#416
I am am trying to decide whose imaginary navy is better, yours or Blackleafs.



*snicker*
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#417
Hoid I thought Canada wasn't investing in the Coast guard?

Coast guard's $227M ships rock 'like crazy,' making crews seasick, unable to work

But I guess it isn't much good when the crew is seasick
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#418
This ain't good for the Lib. Gov.

Crown, feds talked strategy in Norman case

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OTTAWA - Vice-Admiral Mark Norman's legal team is pointing to several discussions between the Crown and top government lawyers about "trial strategy" as proof of political interference in his case.
Notes taken by the Crown about those talks with lawyers from the Privy Council Office, the department that supports the prime minister, were filed in court this morning as pre-trial hearings resumed on Norman's breach-of-trust charge.
Many of the notes were redacted on the basis they dealt with "trial strategy," Crown prosecutor Barbara Mercier told Norman's lawyers in an email also filed in court.
Norman's lawyer, Christine Mainville, told the court that the Crown should not be talking strategy with the Privy Council Office, which she described as the right hand to the Prime Minister's Office.
She says the discussions are more troubling than the allegations that the Prime Minister's Office tried to intervene in the criminal case against SNC-Lavalin.
Crown prosecutors did not immediately respond, but asked Justice Heather Perkins-McVey for time to study the documents.
Norman was suspended as the military's second-in-command in January 2017 and charged last March with one count of breach of trust for allegedly leaking government secrets to a Quebec shipyard.
He has denied any wrongdoing and his politically charged trial is scheduled to start in August.

How many scandals can the Libs afford in an election year?
 
Hoid
#419
$227 million in corporate welfare does not equate to a well-funded coast guard.

Canada is sorely lacking in proper maritime preparedness.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#420
Per ship Hoid how many ships did they build in that shipyard Hoid?
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