Trudeau Is Going To Bury Us In Debt


spilledthebeer
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#241
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Our Canada Pension Plan

Allan Scott’s daughter died this year at the age of 34 and When he inquired about her CPP he was told that because she was not married and had no children, the money now belonged to the government. Nobody else was entitled to it.
On Sunday, November 6, 2016, Scott wrote: “When the CPP was put in place by the government of the day in 1965 (under liberal Lester B. Pearson) it was meant to assist people that did not have a pension.
Employees put in a percentage and the employer doubled the employee's input. There is no money in the CPP from the government of Canada. For a fee from the pool the government was supposed make the pool grow. We Canadians are getting less than half of what that pool
should be paying out every month. We are being cheated out of something that is legally ours, the government's.
This should be investigated by the Supreme Court. Good information for our families and friends and it should be passed around until everyone has read it.
Those who went before — one major thing wrong with the government's calculations of 'available CPP funds is they forgot to figure in the people who died before ever collecting CPP cheque. Where did that money go?
Also, ponder these additional points:
●The math: remember, not only did you and I contribute to CPP but your employer did too. It totalled 15% of your income before taxes so if you averaged only $30,000 during your working life of, let’s say of 45 years, that's $202,500. Read that again. The government paid nothing.
●Interest on the month you and your employer sent to the government was to ensure you would get a retirement cheque from that money you “invested” (not the government). If you calculate the future invested value of $4,500 a year (yours and your employer's contribution) at a simple 5% interest, after 49 years of working you'd have $892,919.98.
●The scheme: if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $26,78760 per year and it would last more than 30 years or until you're 95, if you retire at age 65), and that's with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit!
● If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you'd have a life-time income of $2,976.40 per month. Those in Ottawa have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madoff ever did! They call CPP an “entitlement” even though most of us have been paying for it all our working lives. Now that it’s time for us to collect, the government is running out of money! Why does the government treat the fund as its general piggy bank?
The government is now calling CPP payouts an “entitlement,” but we paid aid cash for our CPP and just because the government “borrowed” it for other “programs doesn't make our benefits some kind of charity or handout!
Think about the entitlements of senators! We pay for their health care, outrageous
retirement packages, 67 yearly holidays, three weeks' paid vacation and an unlimited number of paid sick days. Now that's welfare. Yet, they have the gall to call our CPP retirement payments entitlements.
The latest estimate (as perGlobal news) is that it will cost us $600-million to bring in 25,000 refugees. The government (according to the Public Accounts Office) is already $5-billion in the hole. How much more will they take from our CPP to cover that expense? Former Immigration Minister, John Mccallum stated in a Global TV interview, that he would present his plan to Cabinet shortly, but he could not be pinned down as to cost. Will they write a blank cheque on our CPP account? The new philosophy is, refugees first, Canadians last.
One final thought on this. The military pays into CPP as everyone else does. Yet, when it comes time to draw on this “entitlement” an amount similar to CPP is witheld from their military pension. Who stands on guard for them? Sad isn't it? Get used to it as 99% of us won’t send this on.




POOR MUDDLED CLIFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


He just shot his LIE-beral pals in both feet with his big mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


He does not understand the FINE PRINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


CPP is supposed to be like a life insurance program!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


You pay in for a period of years and then get to draw back out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


The life insurance company "wins" if you DIE before they pay out all the money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Meaning you paid in more than they pay out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Insurance actuaries average out the costs- and they set it up so the HOUSE WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There are always some people who live longer than expected and there are others who die young- but the concept of insurance demands the HOUSE WINS- meaning in this case- GOVT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That is how LIE-berals DO EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


They give you a one dollar gift and charge you $1.50 for the privilege!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!



But there is more and worse to consider!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our LIE-beral sponsored CPP was set up as a LIE-beral TYPICAL VOTE BUYING SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


One day govt just started collecting contributions and also started handing them out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


There WAS NO PERIOD of contribution build up - thanks to the fact LIE-berals had got the civil service union Hog gravy train rolling and inflation was hitting hard at old folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So LIE-berals like Pierre Trudeau BOUGHT old folks votes with CPP GIFTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And younger people PAID EXTRA to cover the lower contributions of those old folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yes- LIE-berals did raid CPP contributions for other things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it was LIE-beral Chretien that ended up holding the pension hot potato!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In the 1990`s- LIE-berals produced a report to state that CPP was fiscally stable and viable in the long term!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Insurance actuaries, bankers and demographers immediately tore the report to PIECES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They pointed out LIE-beral FAKE NEWS such as:


LIE-berals FORGOT to include for the effect of their new "means tests" that were forcing seniors to pay ever higher prices for things like eye tests, hearing aids and other medical stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


Forgot to include for income tax claw backs for people who had pension income other than from CPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Forgot to include for people living longer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


Forgot to include for the effect of LIE-berals using interest rates to "control" inflation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals LIE about how effective interest rate alterations are at allegedly "controlling" inflation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals FORGET that artificially lowering interest rates by govt fiat REDUCES the pension income of seniors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals do not want to admit that artificially reducing interest rates by greedy govt order- hampers the ability of people to save for their old age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look at the 0.8 percent interest on a savings account at any of the big banks and compare that to the 2 percent property tax rate increase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look at the 0.8 percent interest and compare it to the average rent increase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



Look at the 1 - 2 percent interest rate on a GIC and compare that to the planned water rate increases of 4 percent this year and 6 - 9 percent in each of the next few years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look at the HUGE increase in electricity rates under LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


Look at your frozen wages, reduced hours of work and increased transportation costs under LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then compare LIE-beral spending on vote buying to Harper Conservatives who SIMPLY FROZE most govt costs and taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Compare wild LIE-beral costs to the influence of Mike Harris who cleverly kept OUR MONEY out of the hands of Chretien LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ontari-owe civil service union Hogs were enraged at Harris- because he did not give them a raise in any politically correct LIE-beral fashion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In LIE-beral fashion - Hogs get their raise when TAXES RISE - that is- for ever $100 dollars pay raise Hogs get - govt has to rip $100 dollars from our pockets and pay it too Hogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course the Hogs ONLY GET $70 dollars out of that $100 because they PAY MORE FEDERAL INCOME TAX ON THE RAISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Harris stood the system on its head by CUTTING PROVINCIAL TAXES- paying LESS TAX means MORE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LESS TAX EQUALS A PAY RAISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And in this Harris case it gave Hogs a raise WITHOUT Hurting tax payers and WITHOUT letting federal LIE-berals get their hooks into us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


RECALL that for every $100 pay raise- FEDERAL LIE-berals GRAB $30.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is GREAT FOR FEDS- since they automatically get Ontari-owe gravy to buy votes in other provinces............... but NOT for Ontari-owe tax payers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



But that Harris raise was NOT ACCEPTABLE TO HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


The ENTIRE LIE-beral CAUSE MUST BE ADVANCED AT ANY PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cutting Chretien LIE-berals out of their share of Ontari-owe gravy was seen as CHEATING by Hogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It put LIE-berals in an awkward spot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If Chretien wanted more gravy he would have to be UP FRONT about it and raise his own taxes and take the resulting political heat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in the end- after Cdn dollar hit 63 cents U.S. and we hit the debt wall - Chretien solved his fiscal problems by SH+TTING on the provinces- especially on Ontari-owe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Federal transfer payments were SLASHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Chretien DID NOT fix his idiot budget- he simply arranged to BLOW OURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



In Ontari-owe- federal transfer payments had been covering 57 percent of our health care budget and that rate PLUMMETED to 17 percent after the LIE-beral slash and burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And health care is the single biggest expense in Ontari-owe so Chretien burned a HUGE HOLE in our budget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Chretien LIE-berals also made MAJOR CHANGES to unemployment insurance with workers paying more in and getting MUCH LESS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Chretien hit us with the biggest tax wallop in Cdn history after he was forced to admit that his prized report on the viability and sustainability of CPP was a FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- after being exposed as LIARS from that CPP report- Chretien LIE-berals then hit us with the biggest tax hit in our history to bring CPP back into the black!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


So there is the problem that CLIFFY is working with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


He can play all the word games he wants but its all fresh, ripe, steaming, straight from the back of the Bull, best quality organic fertilizer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bag it up Cliffy and sell it to farmers before you bury yourself in CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


By any reasonable measure- Canada is BANKRUPT and your stupid word games will NOT solve anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are already getting all that you deserve in LIE-beral OPPRESSED Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are simply NOT SPECIAL enough to demand more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals see no reason to give you more since they have already bought your muddled and confused SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



At this point the BIGGEST FIGHTS in Canada are between various special interest groups trying to explain why THEY DESERVE MORE than other Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral bigotry and shameless vote buying are destroying Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


At this point- the ONLY WAY to get Canada back in the black is TO KILL HOG PENSION PLANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is CLEARLY a GROTESQUE CONFLICT OF INTEREST that Hogs should get so much more than ordinary Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#242
Quote: Originally Posted by Theend View Post

Please don't worry about the debt.
It's all fake anyways. Just simply print off some more $$$$. Is that hard???

That's what the criminal Zions do.

It's anarchy baby.... Last man standing
...


THANK YOU THEEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!


With your rabid Jew baiting you prove ALL that is wrong with LIE-beral immigration policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With your "just print more money: INSANITY you prove that LIE-berals ARE WRONG to let LUNATICS AND CRIMINALS VOTE in our elections!!!!!!!!!


You have demonstrated you are INSANE and you are contaminating our LIE-beral overlords with YOUR MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



PLEASE KEEP POSTING and tell us all about your system of beliefs and values!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You continually expose LIE-beral policy as the blatant discriminatory garbage of aspiring dictators and Crypto Soviet fascists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral policy is SO MUDDLED it is hard to tell whether they are Soviet socialists or Nazis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals follow Nazi ideals in only wanting to control KEY elements of the economy "for the national good" -meaning benefit of LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yet LIE-berals OBJECT strenuously to any private company making a profit- as if they were supporting Soviet Ideals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals COMBINE the WORST of both Nazis and Soviets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#243
Scheer: re-elected Liberals will raise taxes
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+4
#244
How in the hell is the budget suppose to balance itself with these poor GDP numbers so much for the hottest economy MF was trying to tell us

Economic growth slowed in fourth quarter

Quote:

OTTAWA - The economy expanded at an annualized pace of 0.4 per cent over the final three months of 2018 as the country posted its weakest quarterly growth since the middle of 2016, Statistics Canada said Friday.
The agency's latest figures for real gross domestic product show that for all of last year the economy grew 1.8 per cent, compared with the three per cent expansion in 2017.
The fourth-quarter reading of 0.4 per cent came in lower than Canada's two per cent growth in the previous quarter.
Economists had expected growth at an annualized pace of 1.2 per cent for the final quarter of 2018, according to Thomson Reuters Eikon.
Statistics Canada said the late-2018 slowdown was mostly due to a 2.7 per cent contraction, on a quarter-over-quarter basis, in investment spending. Overall exports saw a slight decline and household spending slowed for a second straight quarter.
The declines, the report said, were largely offset by higher inventory accumulation.
The agency also released downward revisions for the first half of 2018 that dropped the second-quarter reading to 2.6 per cent and the first-quarter number to 1.3 per cent.
Canada's terms of trade — a comparison of the prices of exports versus the prices of imports — saw its biggest drop since early 2009, the report said. It fell 3.6 per cent in the fourth quarter, which was mostly due to a 34.3 per cent decline in crude exports.
The agency said lower export prices led to a one per cent decline in real gross national income, which represents the real purchasing power of income earned. It was the steepest drop since the first quarter of 2015.
On Friday, for the first time, the impacts of cannabis legalization were reflected in Statistics Canada's real GDP report. Canada legalized recreational pot in October.
Household spending on marijuana, at an annual rate, totalled $5.9 billion in the fourth quarter — with illegal pot accounting for $4.7 billion of the total and legal weed representing $1.2 billion.
"Cannabis accounted for 0.5 per cent of total household spending," the report said of the quarterly numbers. "And non-medical cannabis accounted for 11.2 per cent of spending on alcohol, tobacco and cannabis."
The lower GDP figure for all of 2018 reflected a slowdown in most categories, including weaker results for household consumption, business investment and housing investment, which contracted 2.3 per cent. The agency said the drop in housing investment coincided with rising interest rates and stricter mortgage rules came into force.
In December, economic growth contracted 0.1 per cent for the second consecutive month and the third decline in four months.

 
White_Unifier
+1
#245
It's easy to spur economic growth on borrowed money. Any fool can do it. Just look at the POTUS and the PM. Ensuring economic sustainability takes much more skill to accomplish.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+5 / -1
#246
Hard to predict which is going to smother us first the debt or the bull shit.
 
White_Unifier
+1
#247
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Hard to predict which is going to smother us first the debt or the bull shit.

You can sell bull shit to farmers: it makes good fertilizer.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#248
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

You can sell bull shit to farmers: it makes good fertilizer.




Thanks to LIE-berals we have enough debt and enough fertilizer to last us easily TWO HUNDRED YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider that if we paid out Ten billion dollars every year for the next hundred years we could end up debt free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- pay out ten billion dollars for a CENTURY and we could clear our debts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



But before that could happen we would first have to figure out what to do with the current $16 billion dollar Ontari-owe deficit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And its NO GOOD POINTING OUT that Ford has been working to reduce the debt because Wynne-bag LIE-berals signed four year contracts with the civil service union Hogs -meaning that our current deficit MUST GROW by $6 - $10 billion dollars over the next three years -to cover the gravy LIE-berals have promised the Hogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



Then we must figure out what to do with the federal $20 billion dollar deficit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


Then figure out what to do with the New Brunswick deficit that is somewhere between $10 -$15 billion last I heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then figure out what to do with the Alberta deficit that is about $9 billion last I heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Then figure out where to find $15 billion dollars to make sure that the stock of not so affordable housing in Toronto does not completely ROT AWAY in the next few years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Then come up with $10 billion dollars or more to deal with collapsing storm drains and sewers and rusted out water pipe in Toronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it would be NICE to rip out and dispose of the MILES OF TOXIC LEAD WATER PIPE STILL IN USE AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Figure out where to find several billion dollars to deal with the DELUGE OF ILLEGALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With the bill GROWING DAILY with every new illegal arrival!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Figure out how to keep tabs on an UNEMPLOYED ARMY of bored and restless and semi employed, poverty stricken Muslims that LIE-berals have UNWISELY BROUGHT HERE in defiance of public mood and desires!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For those of you who feel slighted by not having your provincial and municipal debts included in my list............sorry.............I am most familiar with Ontari-owe and thus have concentrated on that province!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Thank you LIE-berals for your gift of COLOSSAL DEBT run up thanks to your INSANE and shameless vote buying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And thank you LIE-berals for the gift enough fresh, ripe, steaming, straight from the back of the BULL, organic fertilizer to keep your wretched policies growing strong for decades to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU have supplied us with enough political fertilizer to keep our debts growing NICELY for HUNDREDS OF YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Decapoda
+5
#249
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

How in the hell is the budget suppose to balance itself with these poor GDP numbers so much for the hottest economy MF was trying to tell us

Economic growth slowed in fourth quarter

With Butts gone, Trudeau better find someone new to read him the news. I'd hate to think he was at the helm without knowing what's going on around him.

Something tells me it's only going to get worse under this fool leader and his band of hapless idiots.


Canada is less attractive than West Africa, U.K., warns Canadian Natural’s vice-chair

Laut added that Canada’s corporate tax rates are too high compared with rates in the United States, which he said is disincentivizing companies to do business in this country.

“You’re seeing massive outflows of capital from Canada to the U.S. – and you’re actually seeing capital from the world, globally, leave Canada and go elsewhere,” Laut said.

“We’re just not competitive.”
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+4
#250
I don't think it has everything to do with the Corporate rate, IMO The Enviro impact study, Public consultations, Native pay offs, court challenges, next round of native pay offs, work slow down due to protests, Provincial work permits, Federal work permits, local special interest group donations. With all these organizations in your pocket before you put a shovel in the ground, then quarterly/yearly review/pay offs, study groups, etc. means that the rate of return must be very high to start with. Nobody that is just speculating on the market will chance all the out of pocket money which is smothering the economy, especially in the resource industry. No wonder the Gov. is touting public and part time job gains because that is all they have lol.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#251
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

How in the hell is the budget suppose to balance itself with these poor GDP numbers so much for the hottest economy MF was trying to tell us

Economic growth slowed in fourth quarter


OH DEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


The TRUE PICTURE is even worse than LIE-berals are admitting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


Let us ask what is the social and economic COST to the entire country of driving the third or fourth most populous province in the country into bankruptcy???????????????????????????????????????



Let me remind you of an article written last spring before the Alberta economy REALLY STARTED TO SLIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









Here is an article illustrating the sort of mad mess LIE-berals and their less intelligent cousins of NDP are making of Canada. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Alberta report on debt shows bleak future for taxpayers.

Global News. By Slav Kornik. May 4/2018

A new report is painting a dark picture for Alberta taxpayers caused by the province's debt.

The University of Calgary's School of Public Policy released Fiscal Policy Trends Thursday morning, which suggests the provincial debt will impose substantial burdens on future taxpayers, with younger age groups paying a disproportionate burden.

(Of course the kids will bear the major burden- given the TOTAL size of Cdn debts- it is quite likely that it will take many hundreds of years to deal with the CURRENT DEBT- much less try to tackle new debts that LIE-berals and their idiot NDP cousins continue to run up as they try frantically to buy enough votes to cling to power at ANY price!)

During the 2018 budget announcement in March, Finance Minister Joe Ceci said the province’s current deficit sits at $8.8 billion. He forecasted it will fall to $7.9 billion, then to $7 billion, down to $4.3 billion, then $4.1 billion and finally to a $700-million surplus by spring 2024.

Alberta Budget 2018: finance minister outlines plan to balance books in five years

Authors of the U of C study suggest that means the public debt will be about $90 billion with annual interest payments of $3.8 billion in 2023-24. Interest payments on the debt will be $1.9 billion this year.

The report states 16 to 25 year olds will take on 19.5 per cent of the burden among Alberta's taxpayers in 2023, while 26 to 35 year olds will cover 27.3 per cent of the cost.

A 16-year-old can expect to pay the equivalent of $42,252 over his or her lifetime as well as additional personal income taxes to pay the interest on the debt, according to the study.

(NOTE THAT WELL: over $42 grand IN TAXES AND INTEREST PAYMENTS ONLY! The money needed to actually pay off the debt is EXTRA! This is why there will be NO separation of any provinces from Canada! And it is also why Yankees will NOT welcome any Cdn province that wants to convert to statehood! There is NO need to buy the sick cow when the milk is FREE!)

The highest burden will be place on individuals who are 36-years-old in 2023, who will pay $49,864. Older age groups will shoulder a lower burden, with a typical 65-year-old paying $20,605.

(Some LIE-berals will immediately cry foul over these numbers and suggest that it illustrates that old folks are getting an unfair deal- THAT IS NOT SO! Old folks simply will not live long enough under the current tax mad LIE-beral regime to receive as many tax bills as the kids- they actually stop billing you after you DIE!)

The authors of the study said the growth of the public debt should be concerning for Albertans, but it should be especially worrisome for the province's youth.

(It should be a concern for ALL KIDS as the same Tax mad nonsense is playing out right across Canada and the entire western world as well!)

When Premier Rachel Notley’s NDP won power in 2015, she inherited an economy that was bottoming out as oil prices crashed and erased billions from Alberta’s coffers.

Rather than ratchet back spending, the NDP poured money into infrastructure and avoided cuts to front-line services.

(This is a convoluted and diplomatic way of saying that civil service union Hogs CONTINUED to get all the GRAVY they wanted- at our cost! Civil service union Hogs live very nicely on our BORROWED money!)

The plan to get back to balance relies on revenue from two pipeline projects approved by the federal government: improvements to Enbridge’s Line 3 into Wisconsin and an expansion of Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain line to the West Coast which has faced delays in British Columbia.

(IN other words- ALL LIE-beral policy is FAILING! LIE-berals have sworn to shut down the Alberta oil patch for ever and NDPers and Greens have said “ME TOO” and supported the LIE-beral policy! And now we have Alberta NDPers forced to the ugly realization they MUST HAVE oil revenue to survive! LIE-berals and their idiot socialist allies are going to have to make some TOUGH choices if they truly want to save the environment! WE need to heat our homes and supply lights and power to our work places. And there is NO POINT in making war upon cars until some time in the distant future- meaning AFTER LIE-berals have built a PILE of new transit so that drivers actually have an option regarding how to get to work!)

(Sadly- LIE-berals make NO LONG TERM PLANS for anything - other than to seek out ideas for blaming Mike Harris and Stephen Harper for ALL their troubles! But our kids are seeing through that socialist crap- there is nothing like spending a year or two wrestling with student debt to convince kids that DEBT IS BAD! Hence the sudden nasty change in Cdn weather for our socialist airheads who are finding their Sunny Ways going VERY DARK and stormy!)
 
NZDoug
Free Thinker
#252
Dont buy the F-35s.
There !
Heaps saved.
Start an International water Bombing Force.
Do something useful.
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#253
At least he’s not as bad as Trump
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#254
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

At least he’s not as bad as Trump

At what ?
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#255
Spending money
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+1 / -1
#256
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

At what ?


Not much use engaging with this Asshole, pgs. As Sleepy is wont to say makes about as much sense as playing checkers with a pigeon!
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+2
#257
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Dont buy the F-35s.
There !
Heaps saved.
Start an International water Bombing Force.
Do something useful.

We already have an international waterbombing force with Canadian designed and built waterbombers. They are Provincial and they respond to other province's and US state's calls for assistance all of the time.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#258
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

We already have an international waterbombing force with Canadian designed and built waterbombers. They are Provincial and they respond to other province's and US state's calls for assistance all of the time.


Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Any discussion of our compromised national security is a NON STARTER among the LIE-beral Quislings and Socialist Surrender



artists who are still trying to figure out why Socialism is in such disgrace around the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral deceit and deception are DAMAGING the country and burying us in debt.................just so LIE-berals can find SNEAKY ROUND ABOUT WAYS to stab us in the back financially!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







Here is an article asking a valid question:

Why are we paying people to sue the government?

(With some comments of my own in brackets):

Opinion: Giving money to lawyers to sue the government is a backdoor way for the Liberals to force policy changes they want, without the risks!

Published: January 24, 2019, 1:54 PM EST

Filed under: Comment

By Josh Dehaas, National Post.

When a Muslim woman decided to challenge the Harper government’s policy forbidding face-coverings during the oath of citizenship, a feminist non-profit group called Women’s Legal Action Fund (LEAF) sought to intervene on her behalf.

(It is long established tradition in western democratic society that there ARE circumstances where cops may DEMAND that you identify yourself- including showing your face! Why then are newcomers permitted to DEMAND that we change our ways to accommodate THEM???????????????)

(Consider the Toronto Sun experiment in which a 15 year old boy was dressed in a burqa and sent into LCBO stores to BUY ALCOHOL! And NOBODY DARED to question the kid or ask for ID!)

(Or the Muslim kid in Montreal who caused a stir after she got thrown out of a school exam because she refused to temporarily lower her head covering so the teacher could verify she had no headphones in there to facilitate CHEATING!)

(Or the 4 Muslim women arrested at a protest in New York City and who later successfully SUED the cops for compelling them to temporarily remove their head coverings for MUG SHOTS!!!!!!!)

(LIE-berals PRETEND to defend religious freedom but all they are really doing is BUYING VOTES in a very shameless fashion that is eroding Cdn law, civil rights and public safety! Consider the Catholic printer in Toronto who explained to a gay man that his religion prevented him from printing up gay positive posters- and the Catholic offered up thge names of other printers who WOULD do the job happily!)

(But this was not good enough for LIE-berals and so they hauled the Catholic printer into one of their Human Rights but too often Wrong Kangaroo Courts and FINED THE MAN!!!! Yes- in LIE-beral eyes- sexual preference is SUPERIOR TO CHRISTIANITY as a source of easy VOTES!)

(LIE-berals have decided that it is more important to defend how you achieve orgasm and with WHOM than it is to defend a belief in the bible! This in spite of the fact that BOTH Christians and Muslims are FORBIDDEN to practice homosexuality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

When the Harper government cut extended health-care benefits like drugs and dental to refugee claimants, LEAF argued that the change had a “discriminatory effect upon refugee women.”

(There would be NO NEED to discuss medical aid for refugees if the LIE-beral dominated immigration system got its act together and made swift choices! And this of course leads to MORE arguments as LIE-berals open the border to a DELUGE of illegals- while deliberately twisting the law on refugees and illegals from safe countries!)

(LIE-berals HIDE behind a deliberate twisting of law -thus short circuiting arguments about caring for refugees- just give them Cdn papers and then they can access whatever they want! LIE-berals do not concern themselves with the cost or legal details!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

When homelessness advocates claimed that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was being violated unless the government implemented policies to “eliminate homelessness and inadequate housing,” LEAF supported the fight against lawmakers.

(And yet it is LIE-berals who have createed much of the homless problem to begin with! In response to pressure from advocates- LIE-berals threw open the doors to our insane asylums and let all the crazy people OUT- without any regard for where they would go or how they would live! That little detail is FOR OTHERS to work out!!!!!!!!)

(And it is LIE-berals who have repeatedly chosen to give civil service union Hogs those hugely costly pensions and early retirement while NEGLECTING to repair any infrastructure for multiple DECADES - so that now we face huge bills for emergency repairs- but the HOGS still expect EVEN MORE GRAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

This week, LEAF is in court fighting a group of Christian doctors who oppose a policy by their regulator requiring them to refer patients who seek abortions or euthanasia.

(And again- how is it that LIE-berals think that they are ENTITLED to force a doctor to abort a fetus in defiance of his religious convictions? LIE-berals flat out refuse to condemn Muslim female genital mutilation as a barbaric practice yet they think its alright to force doctors to perform abortions? DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!)

(As for the Euthanasia debate- LIE-berals have that one badly WRONG as well! My aged relative wanted desperately to die after spending a decade of pain, misery and boredom- wearing diapers and having strangers feed her and clean her dirty bottom- and of course she was REFUSED an easy way out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And now we HAVE that dandy Euthanasia law and one of the first cases involves an Ontari-owe man who has 6- 12 months to live- and he is REFUSING to go home to die! He wants to STAY in hospital where his last days will be SAFER! He claims that home care givers have accidentally fed him BAD FOOD- resulting food poisoning and a trip BACK to the hospital for a stomach pump out!!!!!!!!!!)

(The guy claims also that the lone care giver he is entitled to is NOT strong enough to easily transfer him from bed to wheel chair to toilet etc! And my own relative slipped and fell while getting out of the shower with the LONE NURSE not being strong enough to catch the relative- the result was a badly broken leg and several hours of excruciating pain- jammed into a shower doorway - with the weight of her body resting on the broken bone and firemen unable to move her since none of the first responders were qualified to administer those sorts of pain killers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(So the dying man is refusing to go home where he fears being made ill again by bad food, risking broken bones from risky transfers needed to minimize bed sores and he also wants to AVOID BURNING TO DEATH IN HIS BED if another home care nurse should fall asleep and leave his stove running- AGAIN!)

(The hospital has responded by telling the guy: you get two choices- either GO HOME or accept euthanasia! This is the kind of crap you deal with when LIE-berals ration health care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And really HOW BAD is health care for those most in need? There is a family in Toronto ENRAGED because they discovered their father- living in a care facility- with a VERY DEEP GASH in his leg - so deep he could have BLED OUT if he did not get IMMEDIATE medical attention at a hospital! And he gash was probably the result of a transfer of the old guy from wheel chair to bed- and there was a SLIP UP by the LONE NURSE and he RIPPED his leg on a bed frame! This in spite of the note in the old guys file stating that TWO NURSES ARE ALWAYS NEEDED to transfer the LARGE OLD GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

There’s nothing wrong with groups of citizens pooling their money to intervene in court cases. That’s healthy in a democracy. But these kinds of activist legal groups shouldn’t be getting taxpayer funding.

(As Dehaas points out- LIE-berals have decided that funding lobbyists and pressure groups is an easy way to buy votes and implement UNPOPULAR LIE-beral policy by deflecting blame to the radicals and onto un-elected judges!!!!)

Yet that’s what’s happening under the Trudeau government. The new Department of Women and Gender Equality (formerly Status of Women Canada) just awarded LEAF $880,000 to develop a new five-year plan for “strategic litigation.” The project “will undertake a needs assessment with feminist groups and other key stakeholders to identify intersectional gender equality issues that can be effectively addressed through feminist strategic litigation.” It’s a big boost to their budget.

(LEAF is clearly the the next generation of LIE-beral sponsored protest groups! During the height of the Cold War BOTH Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien happily sponsored The National Action Committee On the Status of Women! If the likes of Judy Rebbick and Sunera Thobani and Michelle Landsberg had their way- Canada would have supported the Soviet Warsaw Pact even as huge numbers of east Europeans frantically sought a way to escape from the Soviets and join the West!)

(Political Science professor Thobani even publicly suggested the United States was the single greatest threat to world peace -while Soviet citizens risked death and torture to escape to United States! National Action Committee slunk away after the Soviet Union COLLAPSED and some hundreds of millions of former Soviet citizens danced on the ruins of the Berlin Wall!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Why are the Liberals eager to use taxpayer dollars to fund these legal challenges?

(One must give grudging admiration for the PERSISTENCE of Soviet style Socialists and their “useful idiot” allies such as our very own idiot Boy Justin Trudope! A new generation of Soviets is working hard for their revolution while vehemently DENYING there is anything wrong with Socialism!)

(In their biased eyes and twisted value systems, the socialist system is NEVER WRONG! Any failing of Socialism is ALWAYS blamed on individuals who made mistakes and betrayed the cause! That the Cause is UNWORKABLE is never admitted!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Socialists are so blinkered that NDP Ontari-owe premier Bob Rae publicly BLAMED THE BANKS for not loaning him the money he needed to make us rich with BORROWED CASH! And now we have Our idiot Boy playing a BIGGER and MORE COSTLY VERSION of the Rae NDP socialist insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And how sad that federal NDP airhead Jagmeet Singh does not think he has anything to learn from the Bob Rae/NDP DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The Liberals have also restored funding to the Court Challenges Program that will hand out grants to groups who claim their human rights or minority language rights have been violated. The committee doling out the money is stacked with prominent left-wing advocates, including former LEAF director and Ottawa law professor Joanne St. Lewis, labour activist and McGill law professor Adelle Blackett, and University of Windsor francophone services proponent Emmanuelle Richez.

(So twisted is the socialist value system that they think it is unfair to arrest natives for committing crimes! Yes- unemployed, drunk and drugged up natives often end up in jail in large numbers and socialists believe it is RACIST to put so many natives in jail since neither whites nor Asians are jailed in such numbers! Socialists DO NOT concern themselves with trivial stuff like EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!!)
Harper had scrapped the program, created in 1978 by Pierre Trudeau, as one of his first acts. John Baird, then president of the Treasury Board, argued that it didn’t make sense for the government to pay people to fight its own laws in court. Indeed, it did not.

So, why are the Liberals eager to use taxpayer dollars to fund these legal challenges?

A Toronto courtroom: The Women`s Legal Action Fund (LEAF) is in court in Toronto this week fighting a group of Christian doctors who oppose a policy by their regulator requiring them to refer patients who seek abortions or euthanasia. Aaron Lynett/National Post/File

(Again LIE-berals are forcing POLITICAL CONVENIENCE over religious preference! And LIE-berals see nothing wrong with sending AID to terror group Hamas- seen by most Cdns as bloody handed butchers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

University of Waterloo political scientist Emmett Macfarlane suggested at the recent Law and Freedom conference in Toronto that Canada has a growing “culture of deference to courts,” in which politicians would rather wait for judges to make law than work to build consensus on controversial issues.

(He is mistaken- it is ONLY LIE-berals who defer to courts- whenever judges make the “RIGHT” political choices! One has only to look at the LIE-berals trying to figure out how to STOP Doug Ford from using that “not withstanding clause” - created by LIE-beral Pierre Trudeau - to shrink the size of Toronto Socialist city council!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

If so, then giving money to lawyers to sue the government is a backdoor way for Liberals to force the policy changes they want without the political risks. Assisted-death is a good example. It was popular with Canadians at large but many Catholics were opposed, which made it difficult for the Liberals to support legalization without risking seats in Quebec … until a successful Charter challenge allowed the Liberals to say that the courts forced their hands.

Politicians would rather wait for judges to make law than work to build consensus on controversial issues.

(And LIE-berals ONLY APPOINT JUDGES WHOSE VALUES ARE KNOWN AND TRUSTED- BY LIE-BERALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(The real irony is that Ontari-owe LIE-berals are in court arguing in defense of their sex education curriculum that Conservative Ford wants to cut! And Ford enjoys the support of Muslim immigrants that LIE-berals have forced on us with Muslims agreeing with Ford on this issue! The Cdn political scene is becoming a VERY TANGLED SNAKE PIT- thanks to LIE-beral hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#259
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

We already have an international waterbombing force with Canadian designed and built waterbombers. They are Provincial and they respond to other province's and US state's calls for assistance all of the time.

There has only one poster till now that was advocating water bombers and coast guard spending instead of military upgrades, so this makes me wonder if Doug is a Hoid Alter?
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#260
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Do you get CPP?

Why are you griping about refugees using healthcare and worried Libs will pay out of CPP?

Doesn't the authour know Harper made it impossible for the Liberals to raid CPP and EI as in the past?

When did you become a Conservative?




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Doesnt petros know that CPP doesnt do much good if the monthly payout/income level is FROZEN ...............WHILE LIE-BERAL TAX


DRIVEN INFLATION DOUBLES THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING???????????????????????????



This is the DIRTY DETAIL that LIE-berals want to HIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


That all LIE-beral policy in INFLATIONARY.........................in a society where too many people are dealing with frozen wages and fixed incomes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are making a dubious virtue out of killing our standard of living!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#261
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

There has only one poster till now that was advocating water bombers and coast guard spending instead of military upgrades, so this makes me wonder if Doug is a Hoid Alter?


THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I saw a news article a while back arguing that politicians DO NOT NEED PAID MEDIA ADVISORS on top of their existing staffs!!!!!!!!!


I guess I will have to look it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Maybe the article will tell me how much HOID is getting PAID to spew LIE-BERAL horse manure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#262
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Not much use engaging with this Asshole, pgs. As Sleepy is wont to say makes about as much sense as playing checkers with a pigeon!

Oh dear! I’ve upset you again.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#263
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Oh dear! I’ve upset you again.

He's easy to upset, our poor Okanagan snowflake.
 
MHz
#264
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

There has only one poster till now that was advocating water bombers and coast guard spending instead of military upgrades, so this makes me wonder if Doug is a Hoid Alter?

So you know why nobody ever calls you 'Sherlock'?
That seems to be the only growth industry in the world, why would the banks shut down??


 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#265
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

So you know why nobody ever calls you 'Sherlock'?
That seems to be the only growth industry in the world, why would the banks shut down??


So you are agreeing to spend the required amount in NAFTA on defense spending?
 
MHz
#266
Why stop there, we have a ways to go to catch the US.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#267
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

So you are agreeing to spend the required amount in NAFTA on defense spending?


Ya'all notice when the rapid ascent began! As soon as Daddy Trudeau got to be head honcho of the country!
 
Hoid
#268
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Ya'all notice when the rapid ascent began! As soon as Daddy Trudeau got to be head honcho of the country!

It happened in every western democracy

That Daddy Trusdeau was a real trendsetter!
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#269
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

So you are agreeing to spend the required amount in NAFTA on defense spending?


Actually it looks to me as if MHz were showing that LIE-berals are responsible for most of our national debt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



After all THE BIG DEBT SPIKE occurs while Pierre Trudope was in office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It was a GREAT TIME to be a HOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Showers of grand LIE-beral gravy raining down on Hogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then LIE-beral wage and price controls to prevent the suckers........er......tax payers from catching up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Was that what you were trying to tell us Captain Zero?????
 
MHz
#270
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Ya'all notice when the rapid ascent began! As soon as Daddy Trudeau got to be head honcho of the country!

Well Darling time to anti up that link.