Les Chevaliers du Legion d'Honneur


Tecumsehsbones
#1
OK, so. . . the three Yanks and the Brit are now Knights of the Legion of Honor of France.

I've picked up a lot of souvenirs in Europe, but that's a new one on me.

Somehow it makes my Oktoberfest one-liter beer stein a little less shiny.
 
Blackleaf
-2
#2
I'm proud of the way that the Brit has been a lot less quiet and humble in his heroism and has seemed to shun the spotlight and the TV cameras, whereas the Yanks are only too glad to be on telly all the time telling everyone what great heroes they are for saving Earth. The former is very British and the latter are very American.
 
EagleSmack
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#3  Top Rated Post
Because the brit waited for the Americans to act... as usual.
 
Blackleaf
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#4
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Because the brit waited for the Americans to act... as usual.

The difference being that the Yanks are young fit service personnel whereas the Briton is a 62-year-old consultant.
 
EagleSmack
+1 / -1
#5
Thanks for picking up the cell phone the yank dropped. Wouldn't want the other limeys stealing it.

Your jealousy shines through again.
 
Blackleaf
-2
#6
No, sorry, but we have to get things straight here.

The Yanks are young, fit soldiers who have probably had countless hours of training in such matters, such as how to subdue the enemy etc etc. Such things are par for the course for service personnel.

The Briton, on the other hand, is a 62-year-old consultant who has probably had no such training at all and, I daresay, isn't as strong and physically fit as a bunch of young soldiers. He's just an ordinary bloke.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

No, sorry, but we have to get things straight here.

The Yanks are young, fit soldiers who have probably had countless hours of training in such matters, such as how to subdue the enemy etc etc. Such things are par for the course for service personnel.

The Briton, on the other hand, is a 62-year-old consultant who has probably had no such training at all and, I daresay, isn't as strong and physically fit as a bunch of young soldiers. He's just an ordinary bloke.

I got no problem with the Brit. He's a decent fellow who pitched in heroically and helped subdue this terrorist.

You, on the other hand, feel the need to insult the Americans.

I actually pity you.
 
Blackleaf
-2
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

I got no problem with the Brit. He's a decent fellow who pitched in heroically and helped subdue this terrorist.

You, on the other hand, feel the need to insult the Americans.

I actually pity you.


Just as you were insulting Britons on the airshow disaster thread on the day that probably 20 of them were killed.

As for the heroism of these individuals on the train, I have far more respect for the British guy - a 62-year-old consultant - than a bunch of young soldiers who are highly likely to be trained in all this stuff. I think the heroism of the Mr Norman is far more impressive.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1 / -1
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Just as you were insulting Britons on the airshow disaster thread on the day that probably 20 of them were killed.

As for the heroism of these individuals on the train, I have far more respect for the British guy - a 62-year-old consultant - than a bunch of young soldiers who are highly likely to be trained in all this stuff. I think the heroism of the Mr Norman is far more impressive.

Getting killed isn't praiseworthy. That's the difference.
 
Blackleaf
-2
#10
What an eejit.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#11
Why don't you tell us how the Brit would have subdued the terrorist all by himself, and didn't need the Yanks' help, Blackleaf? That's your usual fantasy.
 
taxslave
+1 / -1
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

What an eejit.

Looking in the mirror?
 
EagleSmack
+1
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

No, sorry, but we have to get things straight here.

The Yanks are young, fit soldiers who have probably had countless hours of training in such matters, such as how to subdue the enemy etc etc. Such things are par for the course for service personnel.

The Briton, on the other hand, is a 62-year-old consultant who has probably had no such training at all and, I daresay, isn't as strong and physically fit as a bunch of young soldiers. He's just an ordinary bloke.

A National Guardsman, an Airman, and a college student dumbazz.

You're just all green.
 
Blackleaf
-2
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Why don't you tell us how the Brit would have subdued the terrorist all by himself, and didn't need the Yanks' help, Blackleaf? That's your usual fantasy.


We've already had fantasy here - constant news from the media, especially the American media, heaping praise on the "all-American heroes" who saved the world whilst the British contribution was, once again, ignored. It was me who had to point out to you in the other thread that a Brit was even involved in this, as you seemed to have forgotten.

And remember, Mr Norman is a GRANDFATHER who works as a consultant, whereas the three Americans are young fit servicemen trained in events such as this and who were, in a way, doing their job.

I'm far more impressed by Mr Norman's heroics.
 
EagleSmack
+1
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post


As for the heroism of these individuals on the train, I have far more respect for the British guy - a 62-year-old consultant - than a bunch of young soldiers who are highly likely to be trained in all this stuff. I think the heroism of the Mr Norman is far more impressive.

You would... your expectations are low and your embellishments are high.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

We've already had fantasy here - constant news from the media, especially the American media, heaping praise on the "all-American heroes" who saved the world whilst the British contribution was, once again, ignored. It was me who had to point out to you in the other thread that a Brit was even involved in this, as you seemed to have forgotten.

And remember, Mr Norman is a GRANDFATHER who works as a consultant, whereas the three Americans are young fit servicemen trained in events such as this and who were, in a way, doing their job.

I'm far more impressed by Mr Norman's heroics.

American heroes... brit support troop. I heard he held the guys ankle.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

The Yanks are young, fit soldiers who have probably had countless hours of training in such matters, such as how to subdue the enemy etc etc. Such things are par for the course for service personnel.

You think taking on a man armed with an automatic rifle and a sidearm barehanded is "par for the course?"

You're a psychopath. Nah, just a liar.

You were a rustpicker, right? I guarantee you the airman had less combat training than you got in the Navy.
 
EagleSmack
+1
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

I guarantee you the airman had less combat training than you got in the Navy.

I need to remind you T... you are talking about the Royal Navy now. They are not known for their fighting skills.
 
Blackleaf
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#18
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

You would... your expectations are low and your embellishments are high.


Young fit soldiers subduing a knife-wielding terrorist.

A 64-year-old grandfather who probably had no military training whatsoever and who probably has no training on how to subdue an enemy.

I'm far more impressed by Mr Norman here, as I'm sure many people will be. It's a complete and utter no-brainer.
 
EagleSmack
+1
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Young fit soldiers subduing a knife-wielding terrorist.

A 64-year-old grandfather who probably had no military training whatsoever and who probably has no training on how to subdue an enemy.

I'm far more impressed by Mr Norman here, as I'm sure many people will be.

Probably why he didn't do much and isn't saying much.
 
petros
#20
What did the 62 year old do?
 
Blackleaf
-1
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Probably why he didn't do much and isn't saying much.

He doesn't say much because he's BRITISH. He's more humble after such heroics than most loudmouth Yanks are.

As for Skarlatos and Stone, they've been trained to deal with lethal situations. I don't think Chris Norman, a consultant, has.

A British grandfather who emerged as the unlikely hero of a foiled gun attack has described the moment he chose to "get angry and do something".

IT consultant Chris Norman, 62, helped two off-duty US servicemen and their friend overpower suspected terrorist Ayoub El-Khazzani after he burst into a packed train carriage armed with an AK47, pistol and boxcutter.

Airman Spencer Stone, who was first to jump on the gunman, and National Guard specialist Alek Skarlatos were trained to deal with lethal situations and college student Anthony Sadler, who piled in with Mr Norman afterwards, was perhaps reinforced by the bravery of youth.

But Mr Norman, who looked slightly embarrassed as he held up a bravery medal from the mayor of the French town of Arras, where the drama unfolded, blood stains still visible on his shirt, drew on different reserves.


Anthony Sadler, Alek Skarlatos and Chris Norman pose with bravery medals from the mayor of Arras (Reuters)

At a press conference - at which he spoke both English and fluent French - the grandfather-of-three, said: I was sitting in the coach. I heard a shot, I heard some glass breaking then I saw somebody running down the aisle to the front of the train.

I was facing towards the back and then I stood up to see what was happening. I saw a man with what I think was an AK-47 or something like a machine gun.

My first reaction was to sit down and hide. Then I heard one guy, an American, say, Go get him.

I heard another American say, Dont you do that, buddy.

I decided then perhaps it was really the only time or chance to act as a team and try to take the terrorist.

Mr Norman, who lives in the south of France, added: It was rapid reasoning. He had a Kalashnikov, he had a magazine full and I didnt know how many magazines he had.

My thought was: OK, Im probably going to die anyway so lets go.

I would rather die being active trying to get him down than simply sit in the corner and be shot.

It turned out El-Khazzani, who had been known to French security forces for at least 18 months, had almost 300 rounds of ammunition in nine full magazines.


Blood is clearly visible on Mr Norman's shirt during an interview for French television (AP)

Mr Normans actions contrasted sharply with those of the French train staff, whom French actor Jean-Hugues Anglade, also on the train, accused of locking themselves in their staffroom.

The star of Betty Blue and Nikita told Paris Match: We heard screaming passengers in English: 'He shoots! He shoots! He has a Kalashnikov!'

The actor, who was travelling with his two children and his girlfriend, said: Suddenly, members of the crew ran into the hallway and their faces were pale.

He said the staff hurried towards their own car on the train and opened it 'with a special key' before they locked themselves inside.


Chris Norman: British hero who stopped French terrorist on train said 'OK, I’m probably going to die anyway so let's go' - Home News - UK - The Independent
Last edited by Blackleaf; Aug 24th, 2015 at 11:30 AM..
 
EagleSmack
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

What did the 62 year old do?

I heard he "joined in". LOL... kind of like a Brit Hooligan giving a kick to some guys face as he's being held down.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

I need to remind you T... you are talking about the Royal Navy now. They are not known for their fighting skills.

The airman was stationed in the Azores. Probably a loadmaster. His "combat training" would have been four hours on the range at Lackland AFB, firing an M-16 modified to run .22 LR rounds, and annual recertification involving firing 55 rounds.

The Air Force hard men are as hard as anybody. I doubt even a Marine would get crossways with a PJ. But your average Air Force clerk, tech, mechanic, or loadmaster has essentially zero combat training.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

He doesn't say much because he's BRITISH. He's more humble after such heroics than most loudmouth Yanks are.

You realize the Brit is the only one talking in this interview, right?

Kinda makes shoots your whole "humble Brit, loudmouth Yanks" line right in the a*s.
 
EagleSmack
#24
My first reaction was to sit down and hide. Then I heard one guy, an American, say, Go get him.

Not a big surprise.


 
Blackleaf
-1
#25
I think the Americans on here are angry that I've not allowed their fellow countrymen to claim all the glory for themselves. The Americans are quite good at that and ignoring the contributions and bravery of others, and this has been a classic example right here on this site.

Mr Norman = British hero.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#26
Eagle, guys I've been talking to say this should be about Silver Star level. What say you?

The soldier gets the SS, the zoomie the SS, a Purple Heart, and a Medal for Humanitarian Action for saving the wounded passenger, is my call.

It ain't double-medalling because the Legion d'Honneur isn't a military decoration.
 
EagleSmack
+1 / -1
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post


But Mr Norman, who looked slightly embarrassed as he held up a bravery medal from the mayor of the French town of Arras,

Shocked. A medal for piling on... I'd be embarrassed too! Kind of like a participation medal.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

I think the Americans on here are angry that I've not allowed their fellow countrymen to claim all the glory for themselves. The Americans are quite good at that and ignoring the contributions and bravery of others, and this has been a classic example right here on this site.

Mr Norman = British hero.

I've made it quite clear that I have all the respect and admiration in the world for the Brit. Post #7, first line. Get an adult to help you with the big words. Your reading comprehension skills are obviously sh*t.
 
Blackleaf
-1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Shocked. A medal for piling on... I'd be embarrassed too! Kind of like a participation medal.


I suspect your dubious way of thinking would be a lot different had Mr Norman been an American.
 
EagleSmack
+1
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

I think the Americans on here are angry that I've not allowed their fellow countrymen to claim all the glory for themselves. The Americans are quite good at that and ignoring the contributions and bravery of others, and this has been a classic example right here on this site.

Mr Norman = British hero.

They have the glory already. You're angry that your guy was going to hide until the Americans reacted.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

I suspect your dubious way of thinking would be a lot different had Mr Norman been an American.

Mr. Norman only acted after the fight was over. He probably should give the medal back.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

I suspect your dubious way of thinking would be a lot different had Mr Norman been an American.

My first reaction was to sit down and hide. Then I heard one guy, an American, say, Go get him.
 

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