Legalized euthanasia- Good or Bad?


JLM
#1
I've been mulling this over a lot and have come to the conclusion that there are up and down sides to it, but I don't agree that it's necessarily something to be ecstatic about. I see upsides, one it's going to eliminate a lot of suffering and two it's going to free up funds to treat treatable patients. On the downside, sooner of later there are going to be untimely deaths because of it. As we know from the news, mistakes are made in hospitals every day. Any other opinions?
 
Cliffy
#2
Line 'em up. Thousands die by the hands of their doctors every year. What's a few more?
 
lone wolf
+6
#3  Top Rated Post
As long as they stick with the to-be-deceased's wishes and someone else doesn't get to make the decision
 
JLM
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

As long as they stick with the to-be-deceased's wishes and someone else doesn't get to make the decision

That works good until they reach the state of diminished mental capacity and who is to judge when they cross that line?
 
petros
+4
#5
It might be better to wait and suffer a little longer.

I'm pretty excited about trials treating MS with stem cells. It can get pretty nasty at times. If lucky I've got another 25 years and pondered what to do if it got out of hand. Would I want my plug pulled?
 
JLM
+1
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Line 'em up. Thousands die by the hands of their doctors every year. What's a few more?

That a boy, Cliffy, we can always depend on you to find a bright side!
 
eh1eh
+4
#7
No need to give people more rights. [roll eyes]
Let the do gooders and church people control your life. [roll eyes harder]
Those dummies wouldn't let us purchase products on
Sunday not 20 years ago.
They are now trying to deny us another human right, which
does not effect them at all, to satisfy their religious beliefs.
Fuk them. Give me freedom of choice.
 
petros
#8
Which church?
 
Cliffy
+3
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

That works good until they reach the state of diminished mental capacity and who is to judge when they cross that line?

That is what a living will is for If people don't have the fore sight to put one together, well, Darwin. If reading a lot of the posters on here is any representation of the general public, there are plenty of people with diminished mental capacity already.
 
eh1eh
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Which church?

Whichever church influenced the 'Sunday Closing Law' in Ontario.
It made for an awkward time trying to do anything on Sunday, like build a deck.
Sunday being a holy day for religious people that controlled the laws
at one time.
Fortunately Ontario realized it was actually a secular government and
allowed the purchase of items on Sunday.
Would you allow another 'church' to tell you that you could not purchase
products on, lets say, Friday?
Hmmm? Would you?
 
petros
#11
There are stores that aren't open Fridays or Saturday and they don't have churches.
 
eh1eh
+3
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

There are stores that aren't open Fridays or Saturday and they don't have churches.

Indeed.
Those store do so of their own free will not an onerous arbitrary law.
The fact that they can do that reinforces my point.
It's called freedom from oppression.
 
petros
#13
It's their religious law.
 
Cliffy
#14
Many Seventh Day Adventurers don't open on Saturday but it doesn't affect anybody else.
 
eh1eh
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

That works good until they reach the state of diminished mental capacity and who is to judge when they cross that line?

I think the ruling states the decision can only be made by a competent individual
for themselves.
Meaning, you can not make the decision for someone else.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It's their religious law.

So it should apply to everyone. All stores should close because of their 'religious law'?
 
petros
+2
#16
What about feral people?
 
Cliffy
+3
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh View Post

I think the ruling states the decision can only be made by a competent individual
for themselves.
Meaning, you can not make the decision for someone else.

But some doctors do that in extreme cases where suffering becomes to much to bare. They just up the morphine drip until they pass. I see no harm in that, so why not make it legal.
 
petros
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh View Post

I think the ruling states the decision can only be made by a competent individual
for themselves.
Meaning, you can not make the decision for someone else.



So it should apply to everyone. All stores should close because of their 'religious law'?

It was a labour law not a church law.
 
eh1eh
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

But some doctors do that in extreme cases where suffering becomes to much to bare. They just up the morphine drip until they pass. I see no harm in that, so why not make it legal.

Humane behavior tends to prevail.


Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It was a labour law not a church law.

It was a religious edict couched in a labour law.
 
Cliffy
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

What about feral people?

You are the only person I have ever heard use that expression. You make that decision for them and we'll see how far you get.
 
eh1eh
+1
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

What about feral people?

If they can't make the decision for themselves then they can writhe in pain and agony just like the self righteous.
 
Sal
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

That works good until they reach the state of diminished mental capacity and who is to judge when they cross that line?

If I've reached the state of diminished mental capacity I want out. But that is exactly the problem currently, people bail before they reach that point because they are terrified they will just linger on, and what happens if some do-gooder decides it's wrong to allow you to die? Well you have to suffer on...because they have decided it's best for you.

You have to hope you can do it prior to that point.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It might be better to wait and suffer a little longer.

I'm pretty excited about trials treating MS with stem cells. It can get pretty nasty at times. If lucky I've got another 25 years and pondered what to do if it got out of hand. Would I want my plug pulled?

I want out before I reach that point of wetting the bed and babbling on and being abused by care givers who just wish that person would die.
 
petros
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

You are the only person I have ever heard use that expression. You make that decision for them and we'll see how far you get.

A cop/Crown and Dr and a witness can make a feral person a ward of the state with the stroke of a pen giving the Province power of attorney.

First they'll clean the feral from the streets, then go after the ones living in rectangular aluminum clad tipis in the woods
 
Sal
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

That is what a living will is for If people don't have the fore sight to put one together, well, Darwin. If reading a lot of the posters on here is any representation of the general public, there are plenty of people with diminished mental capacity already.

that made me LOL

I can't believe anyone who is over 45 wouldn't have a living will and is just gonna leave it to chance

good luck with that
 
petros
+1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Sal View Post

If I've reached the state of diminished mental capacity I want out. But that is exactly the problem currently, people bail before they reach that point because they are terrified they will just linger on, and what happens if some do-gooder decides it's wrong to allow you to die? Well you have to suffer on...because they have decided it's best for you.

You have to hope you can do it prior to that point.


I want out before I reach that point of wetting the bed and babbling on and being abused by care givers who just wish that person would die.

Wetting the bed comes long before loss of cognitive reality.
 
JLM
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

That is what a living will is for If people don't have the fore sight to put one together, well, Darwin. If reading a lot of the posters on here is any representation of the general public, there are plenty of people with diminished mental capacity already.

The problem with living wills is they are fine and dandy in a legal sense, but they can be problematic in a practical sense. What a person is agreeable to and willing to sign at age 30 when they are on top of the world in peak health might no coincide with how they feel at age 75 when in pain and discomfort and the relatives are lurking around waiting for the last breath. Then of course if they changed their mind at that juncture they'd be deemed to be of diminished capacity.
 
Sal
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Wetting the bed comes long before loss of cognitive reality.

good because once I'm laying in bed wetting it and eating my food through a straw I'm done and no one aught to be able to tell me otherwise...far as I'm concerned once one is in their late 40's all bets are off, it's a crap shoot about how good our inherited body is and how good those chemicals are going to function from day to day
 
Mowich
+1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Line 'em up. Thousands die by the hands of their doctors every year. What's a few more?


 
JLM
+2
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Sal View Post

If I've reached the state of diminished mental capacity I want out.

I reached that point years ago but I don't have any plans of going anywhere just yet. You just have to be careful that no one has any idea that you have any money and if you have gold in your teeth, keep your mouth shut.
 
petros
+1
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Sal View Post

good because once I'm laying in bed wetting it and eating my food through a straw I'm done and no one aught to be able to tell me otherwise...far as I'm concerned once one is in their late 40's all bets are off, it's a crap shoot about how good our inherited body is and how good those chemicals are going to function from day to day

You can have full mobility and have incontinence. It's one of the first things to go. Especially for stroke and MS folks.
 

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