Is Canada ready for Trudeau-Mania?


mentalfloss
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He's smart, he's talented — but Justin Trudeau is not ready to redeem the Liberals

OTTAWA — Justin Trudeau should, after a suitable period of introspection, politely thank those who would have him press-ganged into taking on the Liberal leadership. Then he should tell them to heave off. And enjoy the summer.

He's not ready. Neither is the Liberal Party of Canada.

This latest effort to resurrect Trudeau-mania, prompted by Bob Rae's decision to bow out of the leadership rather than fight like a junkyard dog over the scraps of power, is manic. Trudeau says he's under intense pressure to run. That can only grow now that he's opened the door. But this is a mug's game. The effort to drive the 40-year-old to jump before his time is a sign, not of his suitability, but of the party's desperation. Through three election cycles, now, the Liberals have clung to their Biblical myth of return, whereby a hero emerges from the mists, takes up his sword and leads them back to the Promised Land. At what point does it get old?

It began with Paul Martin, who'd slain the deficit but peaked too soon. Then came Stephane Dion, by mistake; then Michael Ignatieff. The internationally renowned author was in many respects a perfect Liberal candidate, with a political lineage drawn directly back to Lester B. Pearson. Marvellous! He fizzled.

Then, for a while, Rae was the One — Rhodes scholar, gifted orator, passionate political warrior. But upon reflection, that wasn't going to work either. Rae was too old, his record as Ontario premier too polarizing. Faced with his coronation, the party was already preparing to rip itself apart. Rae saw the lay of the land and did the intelligent thing. As he stepped back he may as well have said to Trudeau: You're up. Have fun, kid — if you think you can hack it.

Here's a question, for fun. Is there a single plank in the Liberal platforms of 2006, 2008 or 2011 that the party would now repudiate? Here's another: In what way is a centre-left-leaning Liberal Party different from a centre-left-leaning New Democratic Party? Let's acknowledge that the 35 Liberals in the current parliament, many of them former cabinet ministers, are an able lot. But how is their current political posture, vis-a-vis the Harper government, different from the NDP's?

Next question: What has Justin Trudeau ever said or written that is substantive, original or politically powerful, in the sense that it compels people to rally to his side? Of course he has spoken about inclusion and the end of apathy, of the need for reasonable compromise and political engagement. Good. But these are bromides. What has he said that's new?

The charity boxing match in late March has been cited by Trudeau's admirers as evidence of steel, behind the Hollywood looks. I was ringside. I saw him beat up Senator Patrick Brazeau, as the crowd roared its approval. It was a political masterstroke. But what happens when you marry ambition and determination to inexperience and mercurial judgment?

Trudeau has talent to burn. He has the capacity to acquire an intellectual spine and then articulate a coherent political philosophy. He hasn't yet done so. Until he subjects himself to that kind of discipline, he is no match for Stephen Harper, or Thomas Mulcair. In head-to-head debate, either of them will eat his lunch.

There is one scenario — if Trudeau is secretly very crafty, and plotting to pull a Prince Hal, whereby he uncloaks his ruthless gravitas at just the right time — under which his candidacy would make some sense. That is, if he intends to to lead the Liberals into a merger with the NDP, before the 2015 election.

This would be Shakespearean in its irony — the eldest son of P.E. Trudeau presiding over the dissolution of his party, in the service of a progressive vision for Canada. Justin could contest with Tom Mulcair and others for the leadership of the New Democratic Liberals; he would lose; he would become a minister, possibly, in a Mulcair government. Eventually he might become prime minister. Merging with the New Democrats removes the need for a new intellectual spine, because the Dippers have one.

But even here, the logic for moving now is flimsy. If he wishes, Trudeau can work toward a merger as an MP — he needn't be leader to do so. Moreover, a union — say it happens in 2014 — would require a leadership race. He could jump then. In the interim he could stick to his knitting, burnish his chops and acquire some grey hair.

If the Liberal Party is to have any hope at all as an independent entity, it must develop ideas that set it apart from the other two national parties. Paul Martin did this, with help from some very clever strategists, in advance of the publication of the famous Red Book, which won the 1993 election. That's what Liberals should be working through now. Who will write that book? And never mind their latest Moses.

Den Tandt: He's smart, he's talented
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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And here I thought that the libs were going to dig-up Pierre's dusty old bones and try and leverage that to some advantage.

Too bad really, they would have had a better chance with PET
 
mentalfloss
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TrudeauMania: Part Deaux bitches!
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

TrudeauMania: Part Deaux bitches!

And your opinion of Little Justin the Dragon Slayer is????
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

And your opinion of Little Justin the Dragon Slayer is????

Too smart to jump into the meat grinder. Good for him. The political landscape is barren and desolate. Harper was made for such a wasteland. He can have it.
 
Walter
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I know what my slogan will be: Turdoh sucks.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Too smart to jump into the meat grinder. Good for him. The political landscape is barren and desolate. Harper was made for such a wasteland. He can have it.

No smart enough to know he does not have what it takes - and sucks up to people like Castro- OK- Just like his Father in some ways.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

No smart enough to know he does not have what it takes - and sucks up to people like Castro- OK- Just like his Father in some ways.

Geez... We already have divisive....
 
Goober
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Geez... We already have divisive....

Justin and the Party are travelling on his fathers name- If you travel on your Fathers name- Do not be an ffn embarrassment to that name.
 
MapleDog
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

No smart enough to know he does not have what it takes - and sucks up to people like Castro- OK- Just like his Father in some ways.

So the other side "tories" suck the american gov (republicans when available)
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by MapleDog View Post

So the other side "tories" suck the american gov (republicans when available)

Am I a Tory- Yes - Red Tory- Liberal on rights- socialist when it come to those in need- elderly- mentally ill- addictions- and the working poor.

So that gives you an idea of where I stand on most topics
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
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I used to support Tory - until I watched Mulrony split a vote on an unpopular agenda and get in, then got sucked into Harris' pretty words - a war on poverty - then watched him cripple a province's industrial base by killing its hydro (among some very personal attacks) Harper's complete disregard for anyone who hasn't the funds to invest isn't earning him any favour in my books - but I still lean Tory in many respects.

Guess I'll be spoiling ballots or voting Rhino for a while yet....
 
CDNBear
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Oh I can't wait for him to slither into the PMO on his daddies name.

Although I would prefer he took up a hobby. Skiing like Micheal or flying like JFK Jr would be some good suggestions.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Oh I can't wait for him to slither into the PMO on his daddies name.

Although I would prefer he took up a hobby. Skiing like Micheal or flying like JFK Jr would be some good suggestions.

That's just nasty, even for you.
 
MapleDog
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Oh I can't wait for him to slither into the PMO on his daddies name.

Although I would prefer he took up a hobby. Skiing like Micheal or flying like JFK Jr would be some good suggestions.

Don't think it would work,we canadians do not pay dangerous combo sports,as for JFK jr, i believe it was "MURDER" someone was afraid he tried to follow in his dad's footsteps and become prez.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

That's just nasty, even for you.

Obviously it isn't.

Quote: Originally Posted by MapleDog View Post

Don't think it would work,we canadians do not pay dangerous combo sports,as for JFK jr, i believe it was "MURDER" someone was afraid he tried to follow in his dad's footsteps and become prez.

Oooooo, a conspiracy. I like those.
 
MapleDog
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Oooooo, a conspiracy. I like those.

We all like those.
With everything that is hidden from the people,we would have to be morons to believe the crap told to us by governments and the medias.

like for 9/11,all we ask for is all the videos from the buildings around the pentagone,and not edited with SFX.
 
skookumchuck
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Oh I can't wait for him to slither into the PMO on his daddies name.

Although I would prefer he took up a hobby. Skiing like Micheal or flying like JFK Jr would be some good suggestions.

Yah, BC has a mountain for him also if he skies.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by skookumchuck View Post

Yah, BC has a mountain for him also if he skies.

Spearheading the Rogers Pass avalanche patrol, with an excellent observation post at the top of the Pass, would be a good civic opportunity for him as well.
 
MapleDog
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Spearheading the Rogers Pass avalanche patrol, with an excellent observation post at the top of the Pass, would be a good civic opportunity for him as well.

Goofy: The Art of Skiing - YouTube
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Oooooo, a conspiracy. I like those.

Bring on the Alcan!

Or do you prefer Reynolds?
 
MapleDog
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLM View Post

Bring on the Alcan!

Or do you prefer Reynolds?

Sounds ridiculous,but who knows maybe all the conspiracies,or some of them may be true.
one of them will be proven when the youngest person involved in 1963 will be too old to be tried for it.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by MapleDog View Post

Sounds ridiculous,but who knows maybe all the conspiracies,or some of them may be true.
one of them will be proven when the youngest person involved in 1963 will be too old to be tried for it.

I reserve the highest level of skepticism for conspiracies. Can they possibly ever exist? Maybe. But nowhere near the amount that get tossed around on the net on a daily basis. And definitely not the most 'famous' ones either. How can I be so sure? It is the antithesis of human nature to keep a big secret with so many people who would have to know about it for such a long time.
 
MapleDog
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLM View Post

I reserve the highest level of skepticism for conspiracies. Can they possibly ever exist? Maybe. But nowhere near the amount that get tossed around on the net on a daily basis. And definitely not the most 'famous' ones either. How can I be so sure? It is the antithesis of human nature to keep a big secret with so many people who would have to know about it for such a long time.

Hope you are as skeptic about the explanations given to us by those in power.
 
mentalfloss
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I think he's going to go for it.

Think about it.. The Liberals have no real policy that separates them from the NDP except for flash and bang. Trudeau is the perfect marketing tool to target the uneducated youth to the Liberal fold.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Smart people learn from other people's mistakes......................we'll see!
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Smart people learn from other people's mistakes......................we'll see!

That seems to be in short supply. Most people don't even learn from their own mistakes. Politics is all about advertising and has about as much substance. 90% of the population are suffering from media induced mental constipation.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

That seems to be in short supply. Most people don't even learn from their own mistakes. Politics is all about advertising and has about as much substance. 90% of the population are suffering from media induced mental constipation.

Your wisdom is most profound this morning Cliffy!
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

I think he's going to go for it.

Think about it.. The Liberals have no real policy that separates them from the NDP except for flash and bang. Trudeau is the perfect marketing tool to target the uneducated youth to the Liberal fold.

I don't think he will go for it. Any Savvy politician aspiring to be PM will want a strong supporting cast, which the Liberals do not have at the moment.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

I don't think he will go for it. Any Savvy politician aspiring to be PM will want a strong supporting cast, which the Liberals do not have at the moment.

I read in the newspaper this morning that Trudeau commented on 'feeling intense pressure' to accept this post. In my eyes, a person that describes the opportunity in that fashion is not truly interested in moving in that direction
 

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