10.5 million dollar compensation offer too Omar Khadr


JLM
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#271
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

We know as much as has been reported and documented the same as any story . We certainly donít know of any reason for torture in prison . Of course if American hatred runs through the veins that is enough reason to believe it . Right George , those Americans torture for fun .


Of course I have no way of proving it, but Guantanimo does have a reputation for water boarding and the bright light treatment.
 
Hoid
#272
It's like the two of you are a comedy team.\\
 
JLM
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#273
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

We know as much as has been reported and documented the same as any story . We certainly donít know of any reason for torture in prison . Of course if American hatred runs through the veins that is enough reason to believe it . Right George , those Americans torture for fun .


Of course Americans don't have that trait across the board, but it just takes a few assholes to establish a reputation. Do you not believe that a few people are just born mean? Throughout history, death has been an acceptable outcome of war. Why is this all of a sudden different?
 
Hoid
#274
They're actually arguing about torture in Gitmo.

Was there any?

A few bad apples?

Is a coincidence that the same people who deny climate change are this staggeringly uninformed?

No.

It makes perfect sense.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#275
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

We know as much as has been reported and documented the same as any story . We certainly donít know of any reason for torture in prison . Of course if American hatred runs through the veins that is enough reason to believe it . Right George , those Americans torture for fun .

They pretty much do because torture doesn't work at all. The only information that you obtain by torture is exactly what the torturer believes to be true, anyway. The tortured will say whatever it takes to stop the torture and if they speak the truth but the torturer doesn't believe it, the torture continues until the victim says whatever the torturer believes.

It doesn't work. It's all for the power-tripping jollies of the torturer. Civilized countries fo not torture because it is a waste of time as well as criminal behaviour.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#276
Oh my Gods...

On what effing planet do you have to willingly exist to believe that Gitmo doesn't torture people???

Seriously, what effing lunatic actually believes that they don't when the freakin proof is out there.

Oh, the US denies that they torture? What do you damn well expect, you lump of ignorance?

Here's something not mainstream media.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21559073

Here's the most important part of the entry.

Quote:

CONCLUSION:

The findings in these nine cases from GTMO indicate that medical doctors and mental health personnel assigned to the DoD neglected and/or concealed medical evidence of intentional harm.

Now, I'm all for locking the 'bad dudes' up to spend the rest of their lives behind bars for crimes they committed, but Gitmo has a fabulous (sarcasm, since people seem to not register it so easily) reputation for being a shytehole and do damn well deny that fact isn't just ignorant, it's in-effin-humane.

Torture of ANY kind is sick, twisted, and anyone who EXCUSES torture is even worse.

So for anyone who thinks Gitmo never tortured, for anyone who thinks torture is okay, f-u six ways from Sunday.

Actually no, don't; doing so would mean you'd be worth a bit of effort to engage with which you are in no way, shape or effin form.
 
pgs
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#277
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Of course Americans don't have that trait across the board, but it just takes a few assholes to establish a reputation. Do you not believe that a few people are just born mean? Throughout history, death has been an acceptable outcome of war. Why is this all of a sudden different?

I do not believe the Americans had reason to interrogate Kadr . Nor do I believe Americans are generally evil . In my opinion American service personnel do not torture captives for fun . Maybe Techumshe or Eagle want to set me straight .
 
Tecumsehsbones
#278
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

I do not believe the Americans had reason to interrogate Kadr . Nor do I believe Americans are generally evil . In my opinion American service personnel do not torture captives for fun . Maybe Techumshe or Eagle want to set me straight .

We train extensively to avoid such things. We try to instill a value that abusing helpless people is cowardly.

Sadly, the CIA and many cops either don't train that way, or don't train effectively.

One of the most powerful opponents of "enhanced interrogation" was the Army. According to the Army, in addition to the moral problems, it produces unreliable information.
 
pgs
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#279
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Oh my Gods...

On what effing planet do you have to willingly exist to believe that Gitmo doesn't torture people???

Seriously, what effing lunatic actually believes that they don't when the freakin proof is out there.

Oh, the US denies that they torture? What do you damn well expect, you lump of ignorance?

Here's something not mainstream media.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21559073

Here's the most important part of the entry.



Now, I'm all for locking the 'bad dudes' up to spend the rest of their lives behind bars for crimes they committed, but Gitmo has a fabulous (sarcasm, since people seem to not register it so easily) reputation for being a shytehole and do damn well deny that fact isn't just ignorant, it's in-effin-humane.

Torture of ANY kind is sick, twisted, and anyone who EXCUSES torture is even worse.

So for anyone who thinks Gitmo never tortured, for anyone who thinks torture is okay, f-u six ways from Sunday.

Actually no, don't; doing so would mean you'd be worth a bit of effort to engage with which you are in no way, shape or effin form.

I in no way suggested Gitmo wasnít a shithole . Nor did I ever say torture didnít happen there . But do you really believe every inmate was water boarded ? Senior Al Qaeda members with information sure . Fifteen year old bomb makers not so much .
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#280
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

We train extensively to avoid such things. We try to instill a value that abusing helpless people is cowardly.

Sadly, the CIA and many cops either don't train that way, or don't train effectively.

One of the most powerful opponents of "enhanced interrogation" was the Army. According to the Army, in addition to the moral problems, it produces unreliable information.

As I thought . Thank you .
 
Hoid
#281
"This is a moral question. This is about who we are."

John McCain
 
petros
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#282
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

I in no way suggested Gitmo wasnít a shithole . Nor did I ever say torture didnít happen there . But do you really believe every inmate was water boarded ? Senior Al Qaeda members with information sure . Fifteen year old bomb makers not so much .

They could have just offed him on the spot but Evil Americans took the high ground.
 
DaSleeper
#283
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

"This is a moral question. This is about who we are."

John McCain

Link?
 
JLM
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#284
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

I do not believe the Americans had reason to interrogate Kadr . Nor do I believe Americans are generally evil . In my opinion American service personnel do not torture captives for fun . Maybe Techumshe or Eagle want to set me straight .


How does THAT prove he wasn't tortured in some way? We've all heard lately of assholes working in hospitals so it's not a huge stetch that a few could be working in prisons. Just need to apply a little common sense!
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#285
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

How does THAT prove he wasn't tortured in some way? We've all heard lately of assholes working in hospitals so it's not a huge stetch that a few could be working in prisons. Just need to apply a little common sense!

Ok . Why a little torture for Shits and giggles doesnít make sense to me . Maybe I am naive but it doesnít wash in my opinion .
 
Decapoda
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

How does THAT prove he wasn't tortured in some way? We've all heard lately of assholes working in hospitals so it's not a huge stetch that a few could be working in prisons. Just need to apply a little common sense!

Not that a ruling by a military judge will offer any sway to those convinced otherwise...but it does offer proof as accepted by a court.


Omar Khadr not tortured: judge

Threats of gang rape did not prompt Omar Khadr to make any self-incriminating statements and no evidence exists that the Canadian citizen was tortured, the military judge in his Guantanamo Bay war-crimes trial said in a decision released Friday.

In his nine-page written ruling, Col. Patrick Parrish states Khadr's confessions to his interrogators are reliable and were made voluntarily.

"There is no credible evidence the accused was ever tortured … even using a liberal interpretation considering the accused's age," Parrish wrote.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#287
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

Not that a ruling by a military judge will offer any sway to those convinced otherwise...but it does offer proof as accepted by a court.


Omar Khadr not tortured: judge

Threats of gang rape did not prompt Omar Khadr to make any self-incriminating statements and no evidence exists that the Canadian citizen was tortured, the military judge in his Guantanamo Bay war-crimes trial said in a decision released Friday.

In his nine-page written ruling, Col. Patrick Parrish states Khadr's confessions to his interrogators are reliable and were made voluntarily.

"There is no credible evidence the accused was ever tortured … even using a liberal interpretation considering the accused's age," Parrish wrote.

About what I would have expected .
 
JLM
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#288
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Ok . Why a little torture for Shits and giggles doesnít make sense to me . Maybe I am naive but it doesnít wash in my opinion .


I've never said that ANYTHING happened, just that there's a possibility that all sorts of different things MAY have happened. The only people who know for sure are the ones who WERE there. Otherwise we are just taking other's words for it.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#289
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I've never said that ANYTHING happened, just that there's a possibility that all sorts of different things MAY have happened. The only people who know for sure are the ones who WERE there. Otherwise we are just taking other's words for it.

Kinda like taking Gerard Stanley's word for what happened with Colton Boushie. Or Peter Khill's word for what happened with Jon Styres.
 
JLM
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#290
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Kinda like taking Gerard Stanley's word for what happened with Colton Boushie. Or Peter Khill's word for what happened with Jon Styres.


Exactly!
 
pgs
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#291
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I've never said that ANYTHING happened, just that there's a possibility that all sorts of different things MAY have happened. The only people who know for sure are the ones who WERE there. Otherwise we are just taking other's words for it.

As we do with every topic on these boards .
 
spilledthebeer
#292
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

It's like the two of you are a comedy team.\\


And HOID is the UNFUNNY straight man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE KNOW - that the Jihadist father of Omar Khadr was once held in an Italian jail.......................



for killing two people with a bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We KNOW that LIE-beral Chretien suffered some sort of brain cramp...............................


and INVITED the Italians to ship CRIMINAL Jihadist Papa Khadr to Canada...................................


As an IMMIGRANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


We know that Papa Khadr got married in Canada.............................


sired 3 kids here.............................................. ..


one of the Khadr kids was badly crippled by YANKEE FORCES.................................


Omar was shot and badly wounded by Yankees..................................



KHADR DAUGHTER Zaynab has been married FOUR TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such is the Khadr name among jihadists that one of the guests at the first wedding of Zaynab......................


was OSAMA BIN Lauden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Three of the husbands of Zaynab HAVE BEEN SHOT TO DEATH...........................


by cops during various jihadist terror strikes the hubbies were involved with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The fourth hubby of Zaynab was Joshua Boyle - the former Mennonite wack job who took his second wife on a back packing tour of Afghanistan- through Taliban held territory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


Nobody...........................not even Joshua Boyle seems to know if the Boyles were actually held prisoners of the Taliban......................


or if the Taliban simply confined the Boyle LUNATICS for their own safety in the war zone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When the Boyles eventually came back to Canada-...................................


they were invited to a cozy little PRIVATE MEETING with Our idiot Boy Justin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After the meeting Joshua Boyle tweeted about how wonderful it was "to meet up again with his old pal Justin"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy then turned around and hurt the feelings of Joshua Boyle by sort of denying that Our idiot Boy really knew Boyle!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But of course Our idiot Boy SAYS a lot of things....................................


such as "carbon crap and trade tax scams will save the environment WITHOUT WRECKING THE ECONOMY"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And "yes, we spoke very frequently to Wilson-Raybould about potential job losses at Lavalin but the pressure we put on her was not inappropriate" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE DO KNOW that Zaynab Khadr keeps in contact with assorted jihadists that Yankee military would like to see in a drone gunsight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And w do know that Mama Khadr has been very outspoken about the Joy of Jihad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Moma Khadr has told us how proud she is of her Jihadist hubby and offspring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And we can VERY SAFELY CONCLUDE that Omar Khadr remains a very dangerous BOMB MAKER who must NEVER be allowed to leave Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nor can Omar be allowed UNSUPERVISED ACCESS to the internet for fear of the kind of knowledge he would share with other aspiring bomb makers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Learning to use just the minimum amount of explosive in a carefully shaped charge designed to crack open a NATO armoured personal carrier is not so easy - but Omar learned this skill from his VILE FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And we can bet that Omar would be happy to share this skill with other Jihadists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



As for LIE-beral INSISTANCE that it was right and fair of them to pay Omar that $10.5 million dollars in blood money............................


instead of telling him the truth.........................................


that he should sit down, shut up and be grateful he was allowed back into Canada at all...........................


THAT is something that not even LIE-berals can coherently explain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
#293
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Kinda like taking Gerard Stanley's word for what happened with Colton Boushie. Or Peter Khill's word for what happened with Jon Styres.




Poor stupid Tecumseh bones for brains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Trying to make the shooting of a thug in the night look like a racist act!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Thieves creeping in the night looking for stuff to steal do not face quite the same risks as they would in your United States.............


but even in Canada A thief WHO ALARMS AND THREATENS A FAMILY in the middle of the night takes RISKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are SO BIGOTED that you dont want to admit that it was night time when the shooting occurred and thus it was quite DARK in the garage where the shooting took place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your poisonous LIES ignore the fact it was too dark for the shooter to know the race the thug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With racist idiots like T-gurly to defend them its no wonder that LIE-berals are spiraling down the toilet bowl into OBLIVION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
#294
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

He killed a medic and got your money. How does that work? How can I get in on that kinda deal?




YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Omar Khadr is a TRAITOR to Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And PROFITED NICELY FROM IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


If he had not been handed that $10.5 million in BLOOD MONEY......................................


and NOT had so many bail conditions put on him..............................................


There is EVERY REASON to believe he would have got bored and wandered off and got shot by some cop during a terrorist event he was participating in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After all- Omar`s father was shot and killed by Yankee military .................................................. .......


Omars younger brother was shot and very badly crippled by Yankee military.......................................... ...


Omar himself was shot by Yankees......................................


but SADLY HE RECOVERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Omars sister Zaynab has been married FOUR times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and THREE of her terrorist hubbies have been shot and killed by assorted security forces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The fourth hubby of Zaynab was the notorious LOON Joshua Boyle who is currently on trial for assaulting his wife....................


although it may be that he was just trying to prevent her from killing somebody????????????????????????


Like herself perhaps??????????????????????


Joshua Boyle was NOT shot by anti terrorist cops because he DIVORCED Zaynab apparently BEFORE he could get into too much trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Although taking that back packing TOUR through Afghanistan Taliban territory was NOT a clever move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



In short......................the odds of Omar Khadr living long if he was allowed to be totally free DO NOT LOOK GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JLM
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#295
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

As we do with every topic on these boards .


Pretty much!
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#296
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Kinda like taking Gerard Stanley's word for what happened with Colton Boushie. Or Peter Khill's word for what happened with Jon Styres.

... or Brutus' word for what happened to Julius Caesar.
 
Cannuck
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#297
I think 10 million is a good investment in terms of pissing off social conservatives. Think of how many have died of a heart attack or stroked out. The world is already a better place
 
JLM
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#298
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

I think 10 million is a good investment in terms of pissing off social conservatives. Think of how many have died of a heart attack or stroked out. The world is already a better place


Too bad one of them isn't you! You are one sick fcuk!
 
Cannuck
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#299
Iíd say Iím sorry for hurting your feelings and upsetting you but that would be a lie.

*hug*
 
spilledthebeer
#300
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

We train extensively to avoid such things. We try to instill a value that abusing helpless people is cowardly.

Sadly, the CIA and many cops either don't train that way, or don't train effectively.

One of the most powerful opponents of "enhanced interrogation" was the Army. According to the Army, in addition to the moral problems, it produces unreliable information.




Yeah.................yeah.....................T-bonesforbrains is FULL OF SH+T as usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In every country there are always A FEW who think that abuse of prisoners will get them useful information QUICKLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And there are always a FEW who think that ANY terrorists SHOULD BE MADE TO PAY FULLY for the atrocities of their colleagues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That imbecile Dick Cheney told us that Taliban and others are "enemy combatants" and NOT "prisoners of war"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Cheney claimed that because captured Taliban fighters were NOT POW`s .............................


Yankees could do with them as they wished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Cheney was wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


The Yankees are NOT SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But they ARE THE GOOD GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In an UGLY world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cheney SULLIED what was otherwise a VALID Yankee cause!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


The fact that so many Muslims are trying to get into UNITED States as IMMIGRANTS PROVES the essential rightness of the Yankee position!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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