Trade WAR??!!

MHz
#121
The 'win' would be consumers getting quality goods at the lowest prices possible. I don't see that ever happening. All the hype and drama always ends and and the elite will still have a few more goodies than the ones who have no shoes and no electricity at the moment. If they are to inherit the world we should educated them as much as possible rather than keeping them as uneducated as possible. If 'we' are supposed to be the smart one why do we believe in lies and tell lies ourselves?? Let me guess, we only tell good lies and everybody else tells bad lies.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#122
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

The 'win' would be consumers getting quality goods at the lowest prices possible. I don't see that ever happening. All the hype and drama always ends and and the elite will still have a few more goodies than the ones who have no shoes and no electricity at the moment. If they are to inherit the world we should educated them as much as possible rather than keeping them as uneducated as possible. If 'we' are supposed to be the smart one why do we believe in lies and tell lies ourselves?? Let me guess, we only tell good lies and everybody else tells bad lies.

"The Consumer" is a flock of sheep to be shorn.
 
MHz
#123
The fix would be Magna Carta II, protection for the Merchants was the 1st one.
 
DaSleeper
#124
Take your pills ............fool!
 
MHz
#125
Maybe if you called it food I would become a fool and take it. Try it, . . .
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#126
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Would this be considered as a win for Trump


Exactly what has he won? If he wins as much with China as he won with Canada and Mexico then things will be pretty much unchanged.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#127
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Exactly what has he won? If he wins as much with China as he won with Canada and Mexico then things will be pretty much unchanged.

Until the new trade pzct is ratified (none of the three participants have done so) the "treaty" is nothing. There is a good chance that Congress will not ratify it and Canada and Mexico won't touch it with a barge pole, given half a chance.

NAFTA lives on and all that has happened is that Trump has convinced his high school educated demographic that he's the biggest, baddest tuff-guy of international trade,
ever.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#128
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Exactly what has he won? If he wins as much with China as he won with Canada and Mexico then things will be pretty much unchanged.

For now China is ready to start talks on trade some were remarking on how China doesn't need the US
 
MHz
#129
India alone would double China's production.

The US would buy stuff and bury it at sea rather than let anybody else advance themselves. That no longer works so if the US doesn't adapt power will just move to another location and the US can start paying off the $25T they owe to their masters.
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#130
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

India alone would double China's production.

The US would buy stuff and bury it at sea rather than let anybody else advance themselves. That no longer works so if the US doesn't adapt power will just move to another location and the US can start paying off the $25T they owe to their masters.




I see you still believe in the myth of the Chinese debt. Most of the US national debt is internal.
 
MHz
#131
http://williamengdahl.com/englishNEO12Nov2018.php
Stop-gap moves
The US Administration plans to address the 300 gaps with certain immediate measures including closing key supply-chain gaps and using Defense Authorization funds to expand key domestic manufacturing capacities such as lithium seawater batteries or cutting-edge fuel cells for the Navy’s future unmanned, underwater vehicles. It will also reinvigorate the 1939 Defense Stockpile Program for foreign-produced limited-source strategic and critical materials.
The main conclusion of the report is that, “China represents a significant and growing risk to the supply of materials deemed strategic and critical to U.S. national security.” This also explains why the focus of the ongoing Trump Administration trade war against China in fact concentrates on pressuring China to abandon its Made in China 2025 agenda with focus on making China dominant in advanced technologies over the coming decades.
On a deeper level, though it deals with the US defense industrial base, the report is a major expose of the true state of the overall domestic US industrial base following more than four decades of free trade, manufacturing offshore outsourcing and globalization. The good news is that World War III is not likely anytime soon despite all sabre-rattling. This is a good time to address the US debate to the far larger problem: how to correct the economic globalization that has all but destroyed the overall American industrial base and how to revive that civilian economy, something the warhawk neocons have no interest in reviving.








F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#132
U.S., China Clash Over Trade, Security at Pacific Summit

http://www.feedspot.com/?dadi=1#feed...31151984035380
 
MHz
#133
The US might have a chance if the GOM was where all the action was taking place.
 
MHz
#134
Does this mean heroin will be better and cheaper??
https://sputniknews.com/society/2018...opioid-crisis/
Florida is suing two major US drugstore chains, Walgreens and CVS, for their alleged contributions to the opioid crisis in the state and nationally.

On Friday, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi announced that the two drugstore chains had been added to a state-court lawsuit filed last year against Purdue Pharma, which manufactures OxyContin (an opioid with a high risk for addiction and dependence) and other opioid distributors.

We will continue to pursue those companies that played a role in creating the opioid crisis," Bondi said in a news release. "Thousands of Floridians have suffered as a result of the actions of the defendants," she added, noting that CVS and Walgreens did not halt "suspicious orders of opioids" and "dispensed unreasonable quantities of opioids from their pharmacies."
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), around 45 people die in the US every single day as a result of opioid overdoses.
On Saturday, CVS spokesperson Mike DeAngelis remarked that the Florida opioid lawsuit alleging that it contributed to the national opioid epidemic is "without merit" and that the company is "dedicated to helping reduce prescription drug abuse and diversion," AP reported. He claimed that the company trains its pharmacists to discern and detect potentially illegal sales.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#135
Trump delays increase in tariffs on China, citing progress in trade talks

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ational&wpmk=1
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#136
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Trump delays increase in tariffs on China, citing progress in trade talks

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ational&wpmk=1

We one .
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#137
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

We one .

You have a "wee one" or did you mean "We Won", pigs?

It's all so confusing, this reality thing.
 
Hoid
#138
Watch Chinese Official Laugh Out Loud as Trump and His Trade Chief Argue on Terminology

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...rstanding.html
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#139
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

You have a "wee one" or did you mean "We Won", pigs?

It's all so confusing, this reality thing.

We number won .
 
White_Unifier
#140
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

... or they can wait for their government subsidy cheques like the tooth in'-tootin' free market dairy farmers in the U.S.A. do.
What a crock of shyte. If the free market did every single thing in Canada, the place would look like Mogadishu.
NEWS FLASH! Social Darwinism is dead. Intelligent collaboration put it out of business about eight generations ago.

A socialistic policy works better than a capitalistic one in some areas, but a capitalistic one works better in most, and dairy falls in the latter category beyond health and sanitary regulations.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#141
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

We number won .

which "we"??
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#142
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

which "we"??


This little piggy went to market
This little piggy stayed home
This little piggy had roast beef
This little piggy had none
This little piggy went
We we we
All the way home
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#143
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

This little piggy went to market
This little piggy stayed home
This little piggy had roast beef
This little piggy had none
This little piggy went
We we we
All the way home

Cute . You lost .
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#144
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Cute . You lost .

umm,no.
 
spaminator
#145
Mexico threw Canada ’under the bus,’ says Liberal MP Bob Nault
Canadian Press
Published:
February 28, 2019
Updated:
February 28, 2019 8:35 AM EST
President Donald Trump shakes hands with Mexico President Enrique Pena Nieto, left, as Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, right, looks on after participating in the USMCA signing ceremony, Friday, Nov. 30, 2018 in Buenos Aires, Argentina.Pablo Martinez Monsivais / THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OTTAWA — Canada and Mexico are dealing with lingering hard feelings over last summer’s surprise Mexican trade deal with the United States as their new continental trade pact awaits a final stamp of political approval.
Two weeks ago, the head of a visiting delegation of Canadian parliamentarians told the newly installed Mexican foreign minister his country threw Canada “under the bus” last August when it forged a bilateral trade deal with the United States during the renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement.
A top Mexican trade official tells The Canadian Press that while there may have been a misunderstanding, the U.S. side deal was the work of the previous Mexican government, and Canada and Mexico’s new leaders are moving forward constructively.
The side deal between the U.S. and Mexico appeared to blindside the Trudeau government, forcing Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland to abort a three-country trip to Europe.
Canada and U.S. negotiators reached an 11th-hour agreement that was signed two months later on Nov. 30 by the country’s three leaders — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, President Donald Trump and former Mexican president Enrique Pena Nieto, who was on his last official day in office.
Story continues below
USMCA missed opportunity to create freer trade: Study
Trudeau, Freeland laud new trade agreement
Bernier touts himself as only politician to want truly free trade with U.S.
The deal must now be ratified by the legislatures of all three countries, but with turmoil in Washington, and a slowly-shuttering political window in Ottawa with a fall federal election on the horizon, that is far from certain.
Moreover, Canada and Mexico insist the Trump administration will have to lift its punishing tariffs on their steel and aluminum exports, which the mercurial president imposed under a controversial national security clause in U.S. trade law both countries say was illegal.
Canadian and Mexican politicians have been holding a series of regular meetings and exchanges, including a two-day session of parliamentarians in Ottawa this week, and a gathering of the ParlAmericas group, a network of legislators from 35 Western Hemisphere countries, earlier this month.
The head of Canadian ParlAmericas chapter, Liberal MP Bob Nault, expressed Canada’s dissatisfaction about last August’s Mexican side deal with the country’s new foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, during the organization’s Mexico City meeting earlier this month.
“We did say very clearly in our last meeting in Mexico with the foreign affairs minister that we were frustrated with the feeling that Mexico was sort of moving away from the trilateral agreement,” Nault said in an interview.
Nault said he was concerned about “the way it unfolded at the end,” and a perception “that Canada got thrown under the bus by Mexico.” He said that represented a break from “what we originally felt was the approach, that is, Mexico and Canada had to be very close to each other to make sure we got a good deal for our countries and make sure the U.S. didn’t overtake us.”
The Canadian Press has previously reported, citing anonymous sources, that Freeland gave Mexican negotiators an upbraiding over their bilateral deal during an August meeting in Washington.
“I think it’s getting better,” Nault said this week of the relationship. “Overall, we both have the same position: we want the tariffs removed. We want them removed now. We want to move forward with ratification.”
Luz Maria de la Mora, Mexico’s deputy trade minister, acknowledged the past Canadian complaints, but she said the two countries are moving forward constructively.
“That was part of the negotiation process … right now, it’s over,” de la Mora said in an interview.
“The previous administration in Mexico was responsible for doing that. But at the end of the day, it might have been the case that it actually helped the process.”
The Mexico-U.S. side deal marked the start of nearly two months of intense talks between Canadian and American negotiators because the Trump administration imposed a Sept. 30 deadline for Canada to sign on to the U.S.-Mexico pact or potentially be cast adrift.
De la Mora succeeded Juan Carlos Baker, one of Mexico’s top negotiators, when the new Mexican government of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador was sworn in on Dec. 1.
Lopez Obrador won the Mexican presidency in July, branding himself a socialist reformer dedicated to ending decades of corruption and improving the plight of Mexican workers. His term didn’t begin until Dec. 1, which left a window for the Pena Nieto government to finish negotiating a trade deal that Lopez Obrador would have to sell to his country’s lawmakers.
During the transition, members of Lopez Obrador’s team joined the Mexican negotiators, but de la Mora said they acted as observers, not participants. She said that extended to the Mexican decision to move forward with a bilateral deal with Canada.
“We were not involved in that decision at all,” de la Mora said.
“If at some point during the negotiations there were misunderstandings or miscommunications, those moments are over.”
She cited the fact that half a dozen of her cabinet colleagues visited Ottawa in November before they were sworn in, in order to forge a good working relationship.
“It would be very positive that the three countries have this agreement approved this year, really. It would be something that would send a really good signal to the markets.”
http://torontosun.com/news/national/...l-mp-bob-nault
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#146
Nobody has ratified this treaty yet and NAFTA is still in place.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#147
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

This little piggy went to market
This little piggy stayed home
This little piggy had roast beef
This little piggy had none
This little piggy went
We we we
All the way home

I thought it was a Quebecois pig, and he was going "Oui, oui, oui" all the way home.
 
White_Unifier
#148
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Nobody has ratified this treaty yet and NAFTA is still in place.

Thank goodness. For all its flaws (and yes, NAFTA is very flawed), it's still a Godsend compared to Trump's USMCA.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#149
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

I thought it was a Quebecois pig, and he was going "Oui, oui, oui" all the way home.

Non!
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#150
Trump trade war: Panicked companies looking overseas for expansion instead of hiring more US workers

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/tru..._notifications
 

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