Britainís political system is broken. Americaís isnít


Blackleaf
#1
The 2016 presidential election result was not contested. No matter how ferociously Trumpís detractors reviled the man, no matter how fiercely they believed with all their being that this nincompoop was the worst thing to happen to their country in their lifetimes, no one seriously argued that the under-qualified beneficiary of electoral caprice should be prevented from assuming the office.

The contrast in the UK is dismally stark...

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Britainís political system is broken. Americaís isnít

Lionel Shriver



Lionel Shriver
The Spectator

15 September 2019

American liberals perceive it as a jarring inconsistency: my opposition to Trump and support for Brexit. Especially outside the UK, these two phenomena are perceived as identical twin expressions of an alarming Ďpopulismí, whereby the animals take over the zoo. Iím one of the curiously few political voyeurs who think the American electorateís preference for an incompetent president and the British electorateís preference for leaving a power-hungry erstwhile trading bloc have little in common. Dizzying events in the UK this month bring out one vital distinction in relief.

In 2016, certainly Donald Trumpís unanticipated victory triggered an immediate consternation among Americaís power brokers that rivalled if not surpassed the British eliteís indignation at the equally astonishing referendum result, which the worldwide intelligentsia also derogated as self-destructive and ignorant. From the get-go, many Democrats have seen Trump as an existential threat to their countryís political, economic and spiritual future. For Trumpís opponents, their nationís very survival has seemed at risk, as well as the reputation of the country abroad; I myself worry that the damage Trump has done to the US internationally could be long lasting. So the American stakes are high.

Nevertheless, the 2016 presidential election result was not contested. No matter how ferociously Trumpís detractors reviled the man, no matter how fiercely they believed with all their being that this nincompoop was the worst thing to happen to their country in their lifetimes, no one seriously argued that the under-qualified beneficiary of electoral caprice should be prevented from assuming the office. No one launched a campaign to forcibly install Hillary Clinton in the White House anyway, because Trump supporters Ďdidnít know what they were voting forí. Unlike the UKís narrow but still decisive referendum outcome, the American popular vote went for Hillary by about three million ballots, thereby stirring Democratic outrage and muting Trumpís appearance of having a mandate. But that did not, even for Democrats, make his election politically illegitimate.

That fateful November, the losers grumbled plenty about the arcane perversity of the Electoral College ó echoing the same understandable petulance of 2000, when George W. Bush prevailed over the popular vote winner, Al Gore. Yet no one seriously maintained that the rules under which the 2016 election had been run should be rewritten retroactively. Much less did any Americans clamour to hold the election all over again.

Following the inauguration, the enormous Womenís March in DC protested Trumpís presidency all right, but the exercised crowd was not actually calling for a revolutionary coup that would drag him from the Oval Office. They werenít waving placards outside Congress scrawled with ĎIgnore the election results! Weíre right and theyíre wrong!í or ĎMake Hillary president now, in defiance of the stupid people, in order to save the nation!í. Thereafter, though tempted to instigate an impeachment that would also adhere to strict constitutional procedures, most Democratic politicians have prudently placed their bets on 2020. The people put Trump in power. Best, then, that the people oust him.

You get the drift. In the US, however shakily and however Trump tests it, the system is intact. Even crazed, hair-tearing activists accepted that this erratic, poorly spoken reality TV star had won the election, in the terms under which it had been fought. Ever since, the opposition has numbly weathered the boastful bombast, the embarrassing tweets, the unseemly flirtation with dictators, because the people had elected Trump. Democratic due process thus dictates that Trump is President, unless heís removed from office by yet more dogged due process. The system and the preservation of its integrity are more crucial than whatever result at any given time the system spits out.

The contrast in the UK is dismally stark. Whatever you think of the decision, a majority of the British people voted to leave the European Union. Well over three years later and counting, the UK is still a full member of the EU. At the time of writing, a 31 October Brexit continues to look imperilled. Ironically, its best prospect currently rests not with the British government but with the EU itself, should a single member such as France veto a third, Commons-mandated delay.

The UKís system is not intact. In 2017, naively imagining that the EU question had been firmly settled the previous year, the British electorate voted in accordance with smaller domestic concerns such as social care, and inadvertently elected a 70 per cent Remainer parliament. Aflame with righteousness and contemptuous of the scruffy Leaver hoi polloi, this parliament flat-out refuses to obey the electorate. In the process, Remainer MPs bend or break convention at every turn ó and with an unwritten constitution, convention is the system.

So Boris ought at least to hew to the letter of the law, rather than go rogue and defy the ĎSurrender Billí outright. But his axing a few days from the parliamentary calendar was legal, and only gave Remainers a dose of their own Machiavellian medicine. For I canít count the extraordinary violations of precedent racked up by crusading Europhile MPs in pursuit of their noble cause. The Ďneutralí Speaker makes no secret of his Remainer partisanship. Parliament high-handedly removes control of the business of the house from government, appropriates foreign policy, and refuses to hold the general election that could sort their own paralysis, because the Remainers whoíve hijacked the country might lose. All this in the name of stopping what their electorate voted for and their party manifestos endorsed.

I donít doubt the sincere patriotism of Philip Hammond, Dominic Grieve and their confederates. Remainer MPs deeply believe theyíre right. But everyone believes theyíre right. The whole purpose of democracy is to manage situations in which everyone believes theyíre right and everyone disagrees. The dangerous game Remainer politicians are playing could indeed result in a win. But what good is triumph, if in the end your system of governance looks a farce, its Ďdemocraticí decisions revealed as rigged by the lowlife electorateís haughty betters? They destroy their country to save it. Think Ďspiteí and Ďfaceí.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...americas-isnt/
 
Hoid
#2
First of all if Trump had lost the dispute would still be going on and secondly you are trying to compare a general election to a special referendum.
 
spilledthebeer
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

First of all if Trump had lost the dispute would still be going on and secondly you are trying to compare a general election to a special referendum.




HemerHOID HEAVES HORSESH+T our way yet again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Trump has a LIFE.................................


outside politics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


It is Hitlary that has nothing to do all day........................


but mope around the mansion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


And Brexit is nothing more than a display................................


of how BAD multicult philosophy has been!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Brexit is about WHO ACTUALLY RUNS THE COUNTRY??????????????????????


Elected leaders or a MOB....................................


supported by union HOGS AND ILLEGALS?????????????????????????????
 
Blackleaf
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

First of all if Trump had lost the dispute would still be going on

It's actually the Left who throw huge temper tantrums and try to overturn democracy when it doesn't go their way, not the right.



Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

you are trying to compare a general election to a special referendum.

So what?
 
Hoid
#5
Oh I forgot, you don't need to make sense
 
Blackleaf
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Oh I forgot, you don't need to make sense

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1BqmYHuMqn8
 
Gilgamesh
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

HemerHOID HEAVES HORSESH+T our way yet again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Trump has a LIFE.................................


outside politics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


It is Hitlary that has nothing to do all day........................


but mope around the mansion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


And Brexit is nothing more than a display................................


of how BAD multicult philosophy has been!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Brexit is about WHO ACTUALLY RUNS THE COUNTRY??????????????????????


Elected leaders or a MOB....................................


supported by union HOGS AND ILLEGALS?????????????????????????????

You poor sad bastard.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+1
#8  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Oh I forgot, you don't need to make sense

You're a f*cking specialist at that.
 

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