...and People Still defend the Tories?


Cannuck
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Injured soldier who testified about struggles given discharge notice | CTV News


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An injured Canadian soldier who testified about his struggle for health benefits has been notified that he will be discharged in six months, despite assurances from Defence Minister Peter MacKay that he would suffer “no ramifications” for speaking out.
Vancouver-native Cpl. Glen Kirkland, who nearly died in Afghanistan five years ago when he was ambushed by the Taliban, said mere days after appearing before a parliamentary committee he received a notice in the mail of his impending discharge.


 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Injured soldier who testified about struggles given discharge notice | CTV News

The Soldiers have always been screwed over by Libs and Cons. Nothing changes.
 
Palindrome
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Thankyouforyourservice,sniff,sniff..... Now, get lost!
 
Cobalt_Kid
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The Harper government in the past has made examples of people who've stood up to them such as Richard Colvin, who Peter MacKay also publicly attacked. This Cpl. has a lot of courage to speak out in such a repressive environment we have under the "conservatives".

Richard Colvin faces 'reprisal' for detainee testimony - The Globe and Mail

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The Canadian diplomat who charged that Ottawa turned a blind eye to his warnings about torture of Afghan prisoners now says he's being punished by the Harper government for speaking out.

Richard Colvin's lawyer talks of this "reprisal" in a letter released today that says Ottawa is ignoring his requests for further legal aid funding as he prepares to appear before an inquiry investigating the handling of Afghan prisoners.

Mr. Colvin, who reignited the long-simmering Afghan detainee issue last fall, is entitled to government funding because he's a public servant.

 
Goober
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If some of you think this is just the Cons then ya best take yours heads out of your ***.
 
Cobalt_Kid
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

If some of you think this is just the Cons then ya best take yours heads out of your ***.

Unless there's been a military coup, then it's the conservative government calling the shots. And from what we've seen recently they love to micromanage any sort of situation that may make them look bad with no thoughts towards ethics.
 
lone wolf
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It's the Cons calling the shots today. It was the Libs before that ... and Cons before that ... and Libs before that ... and ... get the picture? Once you're of no more use to a Canadian government - no matter whose colours they hide behind - you're toast
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_Kid View Post

Unless there's been a military coup, then it's the conservative government calling the shots. And from what we've seen recently they love to micromanage any sort of situation that may make them look bad with no thoughts towards ethics.

Exactly. That makes them no different than previous governments. And yet those dumb Canucks still insist on voting the same governments in. So because of Canadian politics, we are one of the world's standup comedians.
 
Zipperfish
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I think the Conservatvies are more likely to throw you under a bus than the Liberals actually.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

I think the Conservatvies are more likely to throw you under a bus than the Liberals actually.

If there's money involved? You be'cha....
 
L Gilbert
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Maybe, but the Gliberals have had a longer stretch as the torturer and Con are usually in and then out in short order.
 
Zipperfish
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Actaually I shouldn't even say "the Consevatvies." It's more the current Conservatvie government, where there is a high premium placed on controlling the message.
 
Cobalt_Kid
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They really aren't conservatives, they don't seem to give a damn about fiscal responsibility and if anything are building a much more powerful central government controlled almost entirely from within the PMO.

Even respected (real)conservatives like MP Brent Rathgeber are claiming they're being treated like "trained seals" by un-elected Harper appointees within the PMO.
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

Actaually I shouldn't even say "the Consevatvies." It's more the current Conservatvie government, where there is a high premium placed on controlling the message.

QuasiCons.
 
Cobalt_Kid
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How is this honoring a wounded vet?

Glen Kirkland, Canadian Soldier, Was Allegedly Urged To Tone Down Testimony, Threatened

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Cpl. Glen Kirkland, who was severely wounded in Afghanistan five years ago during a Taliban ambush, said last week that he was told to "not speak about certain things" when he testified before the House of Commons defence committee.

In an interview with CTV News, Kirkland claimed that he was even threatened with a dishonourable discharge.

Liberal defence critic John McKay says that's tantamount to trying to intimidate a witness, and he's put forward a motion calling on the committee to inform the Commons of what's been going on.

What happened is alarming, and an attempt to "shape" testimony before Parliament is "as serious as lying to a committee," said McKay.

Canadian Forces don't belong to the government to do with as it wishes, it's a force created to serve the people of Canada through our "elected" Parliament. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this wasn't another case of Harper confusing himself with the US president and seeing himself as Commander-in-Chief.

We need to hear what's going on with our military personnel so they can do a better job to protect us and so we can do a better job in caring for them when they're permanently disabled while in service.

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The motion was initially tabled on Monday, but Conservatives on the committee refused to grant the unanimous consent required to deal with it before time ran out and MPs had to leave to vote.

McKay said he'll try to get the motion considered again when the defence committee meets Wednesday to hear testimony on the mission in Afghanistan.

Conservative MPs are of course blocking the motion, which in fact means that Harper is blocking this. We know from MPs like Brent Rathgeber that there is no independence within the conservative caucus and MPs are nothing more than "trained seals" to jump through Harper's hoops.
 
Palindrome
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_Kid View Post

They really aren't conservatives, they don't seem to give a damn about fiscal responsibility and if anything are building a much more powerful central government controlled almost entirely from within the PMO.

I think that's generally true of governments and parties that call themselves conservative nowadays. Since the Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney axis, actually. They don't conserve anything: they're funnels of their nation's wealth into offshore accounts. And that, sooner than later, necessitates putting the plebes in their place.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by Palindrome View Post

I think that's generally true of governments and parties that call themselves conservative nowadays. Since the Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney axis, actually. They don't conserve anything: they're funnels of their nation's wealth into offshore accounts. And that, sooner than later, necessitates putting the plebes in their place.

Government spending has increased under every Republican administration since (at the very least) WWII and in Canada, under every Conservative government since Diefenbaker.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Government spending has increased under every Republican administration since (at the very least) WWII and in Canada, under every Conservative government since Diefenbaker.


... And under every Democrat/Liberal gvt as well... This is what happens when the economy and population grows - spending increases as a result.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

... And under every Democrat/Liberal gvt as well... This is what happens when the economy and population grows - spending increases as a result.

But it wasn't growth in the economy and population. Government has grown faster than that.
 
damngrumpy
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Canadian soldiers have been shafted since the government imposed the Ross Rifle on
them. Our soldiers threw them away and picked up British Enfields.
The governments of the day have always screwed the boys when they came home. I do
think this government is possibly more repugnant, because the promised to behave in a
different manner. Of course the promised more transparency and that didn't happen either.
Harper is as much to blame as any Canadian government. In the final analyses is he worse?
that is really hard to say, there have been some very nasty governments in this area in the
past.
 
B00Mer
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OMG another Anti-Harper thread..

SOME people just need a sympathetic pat.......

ON THE HEAD...

WITH A HAMMER !!!







People like you are so dumb, you will turn us into the UK.

You vote for "Change" and you'll get it alright. Just not the kind you think.

What you will get is

- Higher Taxes
- Gun Bans
- More Islamic Immigrants
- More Welfare
- Just as much Warfare
- Quebec running the country again
- Shut down Oilsands
- Still Buy the F35's
- Still let Banks rape everyone

That's what you are voting for

Ignorant fool
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

OMG another Anti-Harper thread...

Ignorant fool

Who is this non-nonsensical post directed at?
Last edited by Cannuck; Jun 13th, 2013 at 07:42 AM..
 
Palindrome
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannuck

Government spending has increased under every Republican administration since (at the very least) WWII and in Canada, under every Conservative government since Diefenbaker.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

... And under every Democrat/Liberal gvt as well... This is what happens when the economy and population grows - spending increases as a result.

Indeed. So, what we need to compare is which segment of the population pays most of the tax, what government is spending on, how much of it goes back into the nation's economy and how much goes out of the country, into very private pockets.
Please note, i'm using lower case, not naming specific parties.
In my [admittedly unscientific] estimation, liberal governments tend to spend on infrastructure, social programs and services and enticing industry, while conservatives tend to spend on tax kick-backs, 'security', military and police hardware (expensive manure* to blow up - bought from .... well, not from OPSEU members.)

Neither is very good at looking after injured soldiers, because the conservative attitude is: "Citizens are fodder, to be deployed, used up and discarded.", while the liberal attitude is "We need an army, like to be proud of it, but don't want to think about it."

****really?
 
Zipperfish
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post




People like you are so dumb, you will turn us into the UK.



Ignorant fool

You ain't no intellectual giant yourself there, buddy.
 
Palindrome
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- Shut down Oilsands

That, all by itself, is reason enough!
 
skookumchuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

You ain't no intellectual giant yourself there, buddy.

Your inability to post without spelling errors does not make you look real smart either.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zipperfish View Post

You ain't no intellectual giant yourself there, buddy.

WOW, no grammatical errors there? True sign of an intellect.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Who is this non-nonsensical post directed at?

I'm going to paint a broad brush and say anyone who would vote for Justine Trudeau.

Frig Cannuck, just move to the UK, you won't have to wait 4 years for an election.. may I suggest a guided tour close to a military base, just don't lose your head.
 
Cannuck
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Frig Cannuck, just move to the UK, you won't have to wait 4 years for an election.

Why would I want to live in a shathole like the UK?
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Why would I want to live in a shathole like the UK?

Because you're supporting a leader (Justin Trudeau) that wants to turn Canada in the mirror image of the UK.. Including I might add allowing sharia law.

Look, Harper has his faults and is not perfect.. no leader is.. however, Harper has been on the forefront on protecting Canadian sovereignty and Canadian culture.

Many countries want to challenge Canada's northern borders, because of oil and gas.. Harper sent more troops to our North.

When Obama said no to Keystone, Harper pushed forward with closer ties to China in trade of Canada resources..

Harper bolsters Canadian sovereignty.

Our resources is what makes the Canadian economy what it is today..
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Because you're supporting a leader (Justin Trudeau) that wants to turn Canada in the mirror image of the UK.. Including I might add allowing sharia law.

Look, Harper has his faults and is not perfect.. no leader is.. however, Harper has been on the forefront on protecting Canadian sovereignty and Canadian culture.

Many countries want to challenge Canada's northern borders, because of oil and gas.. Harper sent more troops to our North.

When Obama said no to Keystone, Harper pushed forward with closer ties to China in trade of Canada resources..

Harper bolsters Canadian sovereignty.

Our resources is what makes the Canadian economy what it is today..

Our resources.... NOT Harper.
 

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