Is the United States Actually Getting Warmer?


Locutus
#1
Proponents of global warming alarmism place heavy reliance on the temperature record of the United States, probably the worlds best data set. They say that the record shows significant warming in the 20th century. Most global warming realists have accepted this claim, but have questioned whether this particular temperature trendthe Earth has been getting either warmer or cooler, sometimes on a far greater scale, for millions of yearshas much to do with human activity.


What is less well known is that the alarmists do not rely on raw temperature data collected by American weather stations. Rather, the alarmists adjust the data before they publish it. This chart from NASA GISS, which you likely have seen before, purports to show the temperature anomaly as measured on land in the U.S. from 1880 to approximately the present:









But that graph, like virtually every discussion of American temperature trends that you have seen, uses adjusted temperature data, not what was actually reported from weather stations. This chart reflects raw data from the U. S. Historical Climatology Network, the same data that were the basispre-adjustmentfor the chart above:









Michael Hammer, who created this chart from the raw data, writes:
Clearly the shape of this graph bears no similarity at all to the graph shown in Figure 4 [the first graph above]. The graph does not even remotely correlate to the shape of the CO2 versus time graph. The warming was greatest in the 1930s before CO2 started to rise rapidly. The rate of rise in 1920, the early 1930s and the early 1950s is significantly greater than anything in the last 30 years. Despite the rapid rise in CO2 since 1960, the 1970s to early 1980s was the time of the global cooling scare and looking at the graph in Figure 5 one can see why (almost 2F cooling over 50 years).
It would appear that the temperature rise profile claimed by the adjusted data is largely if not entirely an artefact arising from the adjustments applied (as shown in Figure 3), not from the experimental data record. In fact, the raw data does not in any way support the AGW theory.


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JLM
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post

Proponents of global warming alarmism place heavy reliance on the temperature record of the United States, probably the worlds best data set. They say that the record shows significant warming in the 20th century. Most global warming realists have accepted this claim, but have questioned whether this particular temperature trendthe Earth has been getting either warmer or cooler, sometimes on a far greater scale, for millions of yearshas much to do with human activity.

I think "Global Warming" may be a misnomer, better defined as "Polar Warming". I certainly don't see any evidence of it where we live. Not to mistake "weather" for "climate", the latter is just an accumulation of the former. I'd say we are about on par to where we were 50 years ago, perhaps summers now are a tad cooler and winters may be a tad milder.
 
MapleDog
+2
#3  Top Rated Post
The only thing i noticed is,this winter was not as cold as the previous ones.
just got a little warmer that is all,and any doofus saying its bad for the planet,are not looking at the actual real problem,which is not "global warming" but pollution and what we throw carelessly in the environment,some of the stuff takes years if not centuries to degrade.
 
mentalfloss
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by MapleDog View Post

The only thing i noticed is,this winter was not as cold as the previous ones.
just got a little warmer that is all,and any doofus saying its bad for the planet,are not looking at the actual real problem,which is not "global warming" but pollution and what we throw carelessly in the environment,some of the stuff takes years if not centuries to degrade.

Global warming at this stage is mostly a symptom, not the problem, but that could inevitably make it's metamorphosis this century.
 
Kakato
#5
Anywhere in Canada where there is any size airport will usually find you an environment canada weather station,you can go through the archives on their webpage and see temps and daily weather in these stations all the way back to the 1950's
 
The Old Medic
+2
#6
People forget why Greenland was called "Greenland". It was called that because along it's southern coastal area, it was incredibly fertile, and was more than suitable for farming. That's why the Vikings colonized it, because it was superior to much of the available land in Norway and Sweden, and VASTLY superior to Iceland.

They farmed successfully for about 100 years, and then the climate changed, very rapidly. It became much colder, the crops began to fail, and the people began to die off. Those that survivied, did so primarily by marrying Eskimo's, and learning to live as they did.

The point of this is simply that the climate has had extreme variability over the past eons. It is not at all unusual for a warming trend (sometimes a very sudden one) to occur, and it is also not at all uncommon for a sudden cooling trend to happen.
 
Kakato
+1
#7
Eskimo Flatulance raised the temperature in that region resulting in an ice age.
 
MapleDog
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato View Post

Eskimo Flatulance raised the temperature in that region resulting in an ice age.

Nice if they're not blaming cows,its the eskimos fault.
 
Kakato
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by MapleDog View Post

Nice if they're not blaming cows,its the eskimos fault.

isnt Methane a greenhouse gas?
 
MapleDog
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato View Post

isnt Methane a greenhouse gas?

As it was said dinosaurs farted and they were a freaking lot bigger than cows,still the planet got an ice age,and even more (i guess)
 
Cabbagesandking
#11
The first comment is "who is Michael Hammer?" He is not a climate scientist but another engineer who has grown in hat size. He does make Eli Rabbett's "Nutter" List.

Actually, his claims are absurd. All trends are of adjusted data. They smooth out internal variations.
 
Kakato
#12
Heres all environment canadas data,enjoy!

Climate Normals & Averages 1961-1990 | Canada's National Climate Archive

Heres what you will see,this is for Alert in the NWT

http://www.climate.weatheroffice.gc....h1=0&month2=12
 
Cabbagesandking
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by The Old Medic View Post

People forget why Greenland was called "Greenland". It was called that because along it's southern coastal area, it was incredibly fertile, and was more than suitable for farming. That's why the Vikings colonized it, because it was superior to much of the available land in Norway and Sweden, and VASTLY superior to Iceland.

They farmed successfully for about 100 years, and then the climate changed, very rapidly. It became much colder, the crops began to fail, and the people began to die off. Those that survivied, did so primarily by marrying Eskimo's, and learning to live as they did.

The point of this is simply that the climate has had extreme variability over the past eons. It is not at all unusual for a warming trend (sometimes a very sudden one) to occur, and it is also not at all uncommon for a sudden cooling trend to happen.

It is entirely unusual for trends of that nature. All warmings and coolings prior to the present took place over very long periods of time and they have rarely been so extreme as this which is happening rapidly.

But, to your main point. Greenland was never fertile and never supported farming in the time man has been in existence. The Viking settlements were on the shores of two fjords on the SouthWest coast. There they practised subsistence farming and eked out a tenuous existence. They could not grow crops and they had no wood for building.

They did not intermarry with the native population and their eventual total collapse came because they did not learn from the native population, preferring to fight it.

The climate of Greenland was too severe at that time for any settlement other than the native one that existed and lived off the sea, chiefly.
 
MapleDog
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato View Post

Heres all environment canadas data,enjoy!

Climate Normals & Averages 1961-1990 | Canada's National Climate Archive

Heres what you will see,this is for Alert in the NWT

Station Results | Canada's National Climate Archive

I'm not ready to believe anything EC says,they are a government agency,and for all we know they may be bullsh*tting us.
 
petros
+2
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Cabbagesandking View Post

He is not a climate scientist.....

What the **** is a climate scientist?
 
Kakato
-1
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by MapleDog View Post

I'm not ready to believe anything EC says,they are a government agency,and for all we know they may be bullsh*tting us.

You can see there is no pattern in all that archived data.

Eureka


Temperature:JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecYear
Daily (C)-36.6-38.4-37.4-28-10.91.95.43-8.4-22.3-32-34.5-19.9
Daily Maximum (C)-33.1-35-34.1-23.9-7.64.48.45.4-5.5-18.6-28.6-31-16.6
Daily Minimum (C)-40.3-42-40.9-32.2-14.5-0.72.40.6-11.4-26.1-35.6-38.1-23.2
Extreme Maximum (C)-1.1-1.1-12.2-2.8617.819.416.76.11.7-1.7-2.1
Date(yyyy/dd)1958/231963/05+1988/121971/261988/171957/301950/161965/031966/011955/091947/111978/23
Extreme Minimum (C)-53.3-55.3-52.8-48.9-31.1-13.9-2.2-10.5-31.7-41.7-48.2-51.7
Date(yyyy/dd)1966/08+1987/18+1948/041964/081970/01+1974/051961/30+1985/161961/251953/291989/281972/19
Precipitation:
Rainfall (mm)000003.7107.90.900022.4
Snowfall (cm)3.53.42.74.13.43.11410.99.34.23.653.3
Precipitation (mm)332.43.52.96.61111.610.27.73.32.968
Snow Depth at Month-end (cm)17192020140006111314
Extreme Daily Rainfall (mm)00000.314.519.141.76.2000
Date(yyyy/dd)1990/31+1990/28+1990/31+1990/30+1966/301951/151961/131953/171985/181990/31+1990/30+1990/31+
Extreme Daily Snowfall (cm)4.34.65.77.89.79.45.86.414.513.5715.2
Date(yyyy/dd)1977/101963/101980/201990/101966/101967/211976/131981/081966/191955/151979/291983/23
Extreme Daily Precipitation (mm)4.34.65.16.67.414.519.141.713.713.56.76.2
Date(yyyy/dd)1977/101963/101952/051990/101966/101951/151961/131953/171957/021955/151979/291983/23
Degree Days:
Above 18 C0000000000000
Above 5 C000008.632.912.7000054
Below 0 C1138.81086.81166.2842.9342.623.307.6255.6694.4964.31071.37594
Below 18 C1696.815951724.21382.9899.9484.4390465.6794.31252.41504.31629.313819
Days With:
Maximum Temperature >0C000032531295*0093
Measurable Rainfall0000*365*00014
Measurable Snowfall543542*3884452
Measurable Precipitation54344567884461
Wind:
Speed (km/h)9989121717151287911
Most Frequent DirectionEECSESEWWWSECCESE
Hourly Speed (km/h)1139511385647077748910089103
DirectionSSSESNWSSSSNWSNW
Gust Speed (km/h)126115113102819310810110983119107
DirectionENESNWSESSSNEN
Pressure:
Station Pressure (kPa)101.48101.70101.89102.00101.75101.14100.91100.91101.17101.30101.61101.44101.44
Sunshine:
Bright Sunshine (hours)MM113.5358.6511.9409.2357.9242.697MMMN
Humidity:
Vapour Pressure (kPa)MMMN0.230.540.660.610.31NNMN


Legend
+ = most recent occurrence of the extreme value
M = no data for the period
* = quantity is less than one
N or X = data exists, but not enough to derive a value
 
Cabbagesandking
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato View Post

You can see there is no pattern in all that archived data.

Eureka


Temperature:JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecYear
Daily (C)-36.6-38.4-37.4-28-10.91.95.43-8.4-22.3-32-34.5-19.9
Daily Maximum (C)-33.1-35-34.1-23.9-7.64.48.45.4-5.5-18.6-28.6-31-16.6
Daily Minimum (C)-40.3-42-40.9-32.2-14.5-0.72.40.6-11.4-26.1-35.6-38.1-23.2
Extreme Maximum (C)-1.1-1.1-12.2-2.8617.819.416.76.11.7-1.7-2.1
Date(yyyy/dd)1958/231963/05+1988/121971/261988/171957/301950/161965/031966/011955/091947/111978/23
Extreme Minimum (C)-53.3-55.3-52.8-48.9-31.1-13.9-2.2-10.5-31.7-41.7-48.2-51.7
Date(yyyy/dd)1966/08+1987/18+1948/041964/081970/01+1974/051961/30+1985/161961/251953/291989/281972/19
Precipitation:
Rainfall (mm)000003.7107.90.900022.4
Snowfall (cm)3.53.42.74.13.43.11410.99.34.23.653.3
Precipitation (mm)332.43.52.96.61111.610.27.73.32.968
Snow Depth at Month-end (cm)17192020140006111314
Extreme Daily Rainfall (mm)00000.314.519.141.76.2000
Date(yyyy/dd)1990/31+1990/28+1990/31+1990/30+1966/301951/151961/131953/171985/181990/31+1990/30+1990/31+
Extreme Daily Snowfall (cm)4.34.65.77.89.79.45.86.414.513.5715.2
Date(yyyy/dd)1977/101963/101980/201990/101966/101967/211976/131981/081966/191955/151979/291983/23
Extreme Daily Precipitation (mm)4.34.65.16.67.414.519.141.713.713.56.76.2
Date(yyyy/dd)1977/101963/101952/051990/101966/101951/151961/131953/171957/021955/151979/291983/23
Degree Days:
Above 18 C0000000000000
Above 5 C000008.632.912.7000054
Below 0 C1138.81086.81166.2842.9342.623.307.6255.6694.4964.31071.37594
Below 18 C1696.815951724.21382.9899.9484.4390465.6794.31252.41504.31629.313819
Days With:
Maximum Temperature >0C000032531295*0093
Measurable Rainfall0000*365*00014
Measurable Snowfall543542*3884452
Measurable Precipitation54344567884461
Wind:
Speed (km/h)9989121717151287911
Most Frequent DirectionEECSESEWWWSECCESE
Hourly Speed (km/h)1139511385647077748910089103
DirectionSSSESNWSSSSNWSNW
Gust Speed (km/h)126115113102819310810110983119107
DirectionENESNWSESSSNEN
Pressure:
Station Pressure (kPa)101.48101.70101.89102.00101.75101.14100.91100.91101.17101.30101.61101.44101.44
Sunshine:
Bright Sunshine (hours)MM113.5358.6511.9409.2357.9242.697MMMN
Humidity:
Vapour Pressure (kPa)MMMN0.230.540.660.610.31NNMN


Legend
+ = most recent occurrence of the extreme value
M = no data for the period
* = quantity is less than one
N or X = data exists, but not enough to derive a value

I have no idea what you mean. There is a trend in the data. It is adjusted as all data is to filter out anomalies when looking for trends..
 
Kakato
-1
#18
No adjustments,they werent freaking out about climate change back then and so had no reason to skew any data.
 
Cabbagesandking
#19
I have no idea what you are geting at or what all that mass of data that you give no explanation for is supposed to convey7.
 
Kakato
-1
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Cabbagesandking View Post

I have no idea what you are geting at or what all that mass of data that you give no explanation for is supposed to convey7.

Go to the link,the data's there from many years ago,notice any trends?
I did right away,for instance it gets cold in the winter and warm in the summer every year.
No change in total rainfall,winds,etc etc year after year....or is this data supposedly corrupted?

I remember some of those years,looks accurate to me.
Last edited by Kakato; Jun 11th, 2012 at 12:29 PM..
 
JLM
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato View Post

You can see there is no pattern in all that archived data.

Eureka


Temperature: Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year
Daily (C) -36.6 -38.4 -37.4 -28 -10.9 1.9 5.4 3 -8.4 -22.3 -32 -34.5 -19.9
Daily Maximum (C) -33.1 -35 -34.1 -23.9 -7.6 4.4 8.4 5.4 -5.5 -18.6 -28.6 -31 -16.6
Daily Minimum (C) -40.3 -42 -40.9 -32.2 -14.5 -0.7 2.4 0.6 -11.4 -26.1 -35.6 -38.1 -23.2
Extreme Maximum (C) -1.1 -1.1 -12.2 -2.8 6 17.8 19.4 16.7 6.1 1.7 -1.7 -2.1
Date(yyyy/dd) 1958/23 1963/05+ 1988/12 1971/26 1988/17 1957/30 1950/16 1965/03 1966/01 1955/09 1947/11 1978/23
Extreme Minimum (C) -53.3 -55.3 -52.8 -48.9 -31.1 -13.9 -2.2 -10.5 -31.7 -41.7 -48.2 -51.7
Date

Short season up there for growing tomatoes and cukes!

Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato View Post

Go to the link,the data's there from many years ago,notice any trends?
I did right away,for instance it gets cold in the winter and warm in the summer every year.
No change in total rainfall,winds,etc etc year after year....or is this data supposedly corrupted?

I remember some of those years,looks accurate to me.


You mean CCCCCCCCCCCCold in the winter and Nnnnnnnnnnnnot quite so cold in the summer!

Quote: Originally Posted by Cabbagesandking View Post

I have no idea what you are geting at or what all that mass of data that you give no explanation for is supposed to convey7.

Looks fairly straight forward to me! Daily av. temp., daily min. temp., daily max. temp. ext. warm for month, ext. cold for month.............. not rocket science. Precipitation means rain above zero C and snow below zero C
 
Kakato
-1
#22
Thats a cool site,you can pick your own town and go back to those big cold snaps that you can never forget.

You can see why they call the arctic a desert,not much moisture falls in a year.
 
JLM
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato View Post

Thats a cool site,you can pick your own town and go back to those big cold snaps that you can never forget.

You can see why they call the arctic a desert,not much moisture falls in a year.

Yep, anyone remember Nov. 11-13, 1955 in southern B.C.? I was at the cenataph in Duncan with the Boy Scouts! Ffffffffffffg. cccold!
 
Niflmir
+1
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato View Post

You can see there is no pattern in all that archived data.

Eureka

You do realize that you are only posting a single years worth of averages, correct?

Somehow you do not see the clear sinusoidal annual variation of temperature... but you expect to be able to see a lack of a pattern over 3 decades of data?

Not to mention all the other statistical fallacies of hoping to see a global trend locally.

Or longitudinally for that matter.
 
JLM
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

You do realize that you are only posting a single years worth of averages, correct?

Somehow you do not see the clear sinusoidal annual variation of temperature... but you expect to be able to see a lack of a pattern over 3 decades of data?

Not to mention all the other statistical fallacies of hoping to see a global trend locally.

Or longitudinally for that matter.

No way!
 
Nuggler
#26
quoth Cabbage: "Those that survivied, did so primarily by marrying Eskimo's, and learning to live as they did.''


Where TF did you get that gem??

Seriously, I'd like to read it.

If we get a sudden freeze here, there's not a bunch of Eskimos to marry. Guess we'll freeze and starve.

Put me on an iceberg and shove me off. Give my knees to the needy.
 
Cabbagesandking
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Nuggler View Post

quoth Cabbage: "Those that survivied, did so primarily by marrying Eskimo's, and learning to live as they did.''


Where TF did you get that gem??

Seriously, I'd like to read it.

If we get a sudden freeze here, there's not a bunch of Eskimos to marry. Guess we'll freeze and starve.

Put me on an iceberg and shove me off. Give my knees to the needy.

You may have missed where I said the opposite!
 
Tonington
+1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato View Post

You can see there is no pattern in all that archived data.

Eureka


Temperature: Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year
Daily (C) -36.6 -38.4 -37.4 -28 -10.9 1.9 5.4 3 -8.4 -22.3 -32 -34.5 -19.9
Daily Maximum (C) -33.1 -35 -34.1 -23.9 -7.6 4.4 8.4 5.4 -5.5 -18.6 -28.6 -31 -16.6
Daily Minimum (C) -40.3 -42 -40.9 -32.2 -14.5 -0.7 2.4 0.6 -11.4 -26.1 -35.6 -38.1 -23.2
Extreme Maximum (C) -1.1 -1.1 -12.2 -2.8 6 17.8 19.4 16.7 6.1 1.7 -1.7 -2.1
Date(yyyy/dd) 1958/23 1963/05+ 1988/12 1971/26 1988/17 1957/30 1950/16 1965/03 1966/01 1955/09 1947/11 1978/23
Extreme Minimum (C) -53.3 -55.3 -52.8 -48.9 -31.1 -13.9 -2.2 -10.5 -31.7 -41.7 -48.2 -51.7
Date(yyyy/dd) 1966/08+ 1987/18+ 1948/04 1964/08 1970/01+ 1974/05 1961/30+ 1985/16 1961/25 1953/29 1989/28 1972/19
Precipitation:
Rainfall (mm) 0 0 0 0 0 3.7 10 7.9 0.9 0 0 0 22.4
Snowfall (cm) 3.5 3.4 2.7 4.1 3.4 3.1 1 4 10.9 9.3 4.2 3.6 53.3
Precipitation (mm) 3 3 2.4 3.5 2.9 6.6 11 11.6 10.2 7.7 3.3 2.9 68
Snow Depth at Month-end (cm) 17 19 20 20 14 0 0 0 6 11 13 14
Extreme Daily Rainfall (mm) 0 0 0 0 0.3 14.5 19.1 41.7 6.2 0 0 0
Date(yyyy/dd) 1990/31+ 1990/28+ 1990/31+ 1990/30+ 1966/30 1951/15 1961/13 1953/17 1985/18 1990/31+ 1990/30+ 1990/31+
Extreme Daily Snowfall (cm) 4.3 4.6 5.7 7.8 9.7 9.4 5.8 6.4 14.5 13.5 7 15.2
Date(yyyy/dd) 1977/10 1963/10 1980/20 1990/10 1966/10 1967/21 1976/13 1981/08 1966/19 1955/15 1979/29 1983/23
Extreme Daily Precipitation (mm) 4.3 4.6 5.1 6.6 7.4 14.5 19.1 41.7 13.7 13.5 6.7 6.2
Date(yyyy/dd) 1977/10 1963/10 1952/05 1990/10 1966/10 1951/15 1961/13 1953/17 1957/02 1955/15 1979/29 1983/23
Degree Days:
Above 18 C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Above 5 C 0 0 0 0 0 8.6 32.9 12.7 0 0 0 0 54
Below 0 C 1138.8 1086.8 1166.2 842.9 342.6 23.3 0 7.6 255.6 694.4 964.3 1071.3 7594
Below 18 C 1696.8 1595 1724.2 1382.9 899.9 484.4 390 465.6 794.3 1252.4 1504.3 1629.3 13819
Days With:
Maximum Temperature >0C 0 0 0 0 3 25 31 29 5 * 0 0 93
Measurable Rainfall 0 0 0 0 * 3 6 5 * 0 0 0 14
Measurable Snowfall 5 4 3 5 4 2 * 3 8 8 4 4 52
Measurable Precipitation 5 4 3 4 4 5 6 7 8 8 4 4 61
Wind:
Speed (km/h) 9 9 8 9 12 17 17 15 12 8 7 9 11
Most Frequent Direction E E C SE SE W W W SE C C E SE
Hourly Speed (km/h) 113 95 113 85 64 70 77 74 89 100 89 103
Direction S S SE S NW S S S S NW S NW
Gust Speed (km/h) 126 115 113 102 81 93 108 101 109 83 119 107
Direction E NE S NW S E S S S N E N
Pressure:
Station Pressure (kPa) 101.48 101.70 101.89 102.00 101.75 101.14 100.91 100.91 101.17 101.30 101.61 101.44 101.44
Sunshine:
Bright Sunshine (hours) M M 113.5 358.6 511.9 409.2 357.9 242.6 97 M M M N
Humidity:
Vapour Pressure (kPa) M M M N 0.23 0.54 0.66 0.61 0.31 N N M N


Legend
+ = most recent occurrence of the extreme value
M = no data for the period
* = quantity is less than one
N or X = data exists, but not enough to derive a value

No pattern at all? Well the mish mash of data you presented contains all sorts of different types of data. If you weren't so down on graphical representation of the data, you might actually be able to see a pattern. Here's the Eureka station data from 1947 to present:



You would have to be blind to say there is no tenancy in that data as the time series moves from the beginning of the dataset to the end.
 
Kakato
+1 / -1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington View Post

No pattern at all? Well the mish mash of data you presented contains all sorts of different types of data. If you weren't so down on graphical representation of the data, you might actually be able to see a pattern. Here's the Eureka station data from 1947 to present:



You would have to be blind to say there is no tenancy in that data as the time series moves from the beginning of the dataset to the end.

Cold in winter,warm in summer?
 
Tonington
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato View Post

Cold in winter,warm in summer?

Yes...it only gets cold in winter and warm in summer at the end of that time series. When you were a kid there was no such thing as summer and winter... Ridiculous. You may not be blind, but you ought to get those eyes checked. Those are yearly averages.
 

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