Premiers getting into fight over pipelines


mentalfloss
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Resource politics bringing people together again.

Braid: Rachel Notley counters Brad Wall, without a tantrum | Calgary Herald
calgaryherald.com

Premier Rachel Notley says she’s no pushover. She’ll never hand an Energy East pipeline veto to Quebec or Ontario. And we won’t see her throwing a tantrum in a corner.

That was Notley’s lively response, on the phone from St. John’s, N.L., to Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall’s suspicion that by courting approval for Alberta climate change policies, she’s effectively handing a pipeline veto to other provinces.

Clearly stung, Notley said: “I am not at all concerned with being perceived as a pushover. That has never been something that’s been part of my dynamic.

“I am saying that I understand that negotiations are not all about standing in a corner and having a tantrum. Negotiations are about what you get at the other end. That’s what I’m focused on now.”

After meeting this week with Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard, Notley had seemed to suggest Quebec’s view of Alberta policy might be crucial to getting approval for the $12-billion Energy East oil pipeline.

On Thursday she replied: “Under no circumstances would I now or would I ever do such a thing, and it is really quite ridiculous to suggest it.”

“That’s not what I’m doing. I’m not linking it in any way.

“All I’m acknowledging is that it’s going to be helpful … to be able to talk to people about genuine efforts you are making to be environmentally responsible.”

Canadians elsewhere recognize that the energy sector creates jobs, she said, “but those same people need to feel that the best work that can be done is being done, to ensure that the industry is acting environmentally responsibly.

“That’s not linking any specific demand of Quebec to ours. It’s simply acknowledging that the two can work together.”

Told of her response on the veto issue, Wall said, “If she said she’s not, I think that’s positive.

“I’m guessing there’s been some second thought on the part of the premier perhaps, and she’s made the right decision.”

After Notley suggested on television Thursday that he was showboating, Wall replied: “If standing up for the industry that’s so important to our province is showboating in any way, show me to the bridge.”

Notley’s rebuttal to all that isn’t recorded, and maybe that’s best. It might be unprintable.

The debate has escalated wildly since I raised the veto issue two days ago. That may have a lot to do with upcoming elections and partisan rivalries between Notley’s NDP, the federal Conservatives, and Wall’s right-tilting Saskatchewan Party.

Notley counters that her goal “is about getting a pipeline, not about positioning.”

“I’m not going to speak to what the motivations are of Premier Wall. What I am going to say is that from my perspective, the best strategy is to conduct myself like a mature player on the national level, and have thoughtful, intelligent, responsive conversations with my colleagues, and see where that takes us.

“That’s the approach I’m going to take and so I’ll let Mr. Wall do what Mr. Wall wants to do.”

“What I can do is not pick a fight, what I can do is try to develop consensus for what it is our industry needs to have happen, in order to ensure its prosperity at the same time that we’re asking it to acknowledge its environmental responsibilities.”

This spat between western premiers at a national conference is unprecedented, which does not make it a good thing.

One way the West gained national influence in the 1970s and 1980s was through rock-solid unity across four provinces.

The western premiers used to meet beforehand to work out positions on various issues. They once drove Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau half-mad with their Four Amigos routine.

Alberta PC Premier Peter Lougheed and his Saskatchewan counterpart, New Democrat Allan Blakeney, were the intellectual leaders who patrolled a formidable western front.

We’re a long way from that now. Down east, there will be a chuckle or two in the Ontario and Quebec delegations.

Don Braid’s column appears regularly in the Herald

Braid: Rachel Notley counters Brad Wall, without a tantrum | Calgary Herald
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Give 'em hockey sticks and let 'em have at it.
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
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What Wall said isn't that far off and I believe he has a point. So Notley's seeking Ontario and Quebec's approval for Alberta's environmental policies - if they don't approve - what then? Of course its giving Ontario and Quebec power to veto any pipeline. Having said that, I believe her approach is absolutely spot on - no temper tantrums and lets discuss this to see if we can reach a compromise. The pipeline is good for the environment and for the country as a whole.


JMHO
 
mentalfloss
#4
You can't have a discussion about ENERGY without looking at the environmental repercussions as well. Each province would be responsible for a certain increase in emissions because of the pipeline so they have to look at that and compare the amount to what their cap is and budget accordingly.

And Wall is trying to bribe the east by talking about equalization payments which is unhelpful and people aren't falling for it.
 
petros
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WTG Wall.
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

WTG Wall.

You think he's channeling Waldo???
 
petros
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His name is Brad not Dry.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

What Wall said isn't that far off and I believe he has a point. So Notley's seeking Ontario and Quebec's approval for Alberta's environmental policies - if they don't approve - what then? Of course its giving Ontario and Quebec power to veto any pipeline. Having said that, I believe her approach is absolutely spot on - no temper tantrums and lets discuss this to see if we can reach a compromise. The pipeline is good for the environment and for the country as a whole.


JMHO

It's a 2-way street... The agreement set up could easily require ongoing audits of the mfg sector prior to the West 'allowing' any items being sold on the prairies or perhaps even crossing into the area.

Silly, I know, but this entire issue is to begin with
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

His name is Brad not Dry.

But, but, but Dry has been to Machu Pictchu.....
 
petros
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On the short bus.
 
damngrumpy
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I don't care how they get an east west pipeline as long as it gets done.
XL should be scrapped it only helps the Americans they get the crude
and refine it and then Export it its not for American domestic use as all.
Seems we are a push over for Americans with that arrangement.
We get a pipeline and they get the money not a good deal at all.
 
petros
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Sorry grumpy. They don't. Pipelines carry mulitple types of products these days. Oil needs to be thinned to pump at high volume and that is done with refined products.

Need to see a list to believe it?
 
mentalfloss
#13
Brad Wall gets his stronger language in the document.

WTG Brad! We luv uuuuuuu


Canada provinces agree to strategy on pipelines, climate change | Canada | Reuters
ca.reuters.com

By Leah Schnurr and Randall Palmer

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's provinces reached a long-sought deal on Friday over an energy plan for the country, agreeing broadly to curb greenhouse gas emissions while also promoting the use of pipelines.

The oil-producing province of Alberta originally conceived the strategy as a way to ensure that it could move its fuel to market. The plan was changed at the insistence of some of the provinces to reflect their desire to fight climate change.

Alberta and Saskatchewan have limited markets for their land-locked oil, with environmentalists opposing pipelines that have to go through other provinces to reach the Pacific or Atlantic oceans.

These include the Energy East pipeline proposed by TransCanada Corp TRP.TO, which is also trying to build the controversial Keystone XL pipeline through the United States.

Canada's provinces agreed to ensure that regional, Canadian and international infrastructure exists for sending energy products to domestic and international markets.

The agreement was announced following the premiers' annual summer conference, which was held this year in St. John's, Newfoundland.

Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall said he was more comfortable with the stronger language in Friday's document on ensuring there is infrastructure in place to get energy to market.

Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard, whose government has said Energy East must meet seven conditions before being allowed through the province, sounded conciliatory and mindful of the Lac-Megantic oil-by-rail disaster in his province in 2013. Continued...

Canada provinces agree to strategy on pipelines, climate change | Canada | Reuters
 
petros
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Did you check for a thread on the agreement?
 

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