Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban


spilledthebeer
#1801
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

There should be no pipelines through BC carrying Alberta oil.




OH Hemer-HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



You should be GRATEFUL that the ENTIRE COUNTRY is not getting..........................



EXACTLY THE SAME LESSON as B.C............................................... ........


regarding the TRUE REALITY of LIE-beral environmental policy and carbon tax SCAM FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Decapoda
+3
#1802
Looks like BC is running out of ways to destroy the TMX expansion. The B.C. Court of Appeal just ruled unanimously that British Columbia does not have the right to impose environmental laws that could kill the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, and that proposed legislation to limit the flow of increased amounts of "heavy oil" into B.C. would be in direct conflict with federal jurisdiction over interprovincial pipelines.

Another devastating setback for BC pipeline haters.
 
Mowich
Conservative
+3
#1803
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

Looks like BC is running out of ways to destroy the TMX expansion. The B.C. Court of Appeal just ruled unanimously that British Columbia does not have the right to impose environmental laws that could kill the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, and that proposed legislation to limit the flow of increased amounts of "heavy oil" into B.C. would be in direct conflict with federal jurisdiction over interprovincial pipelines.

Another devastating setback for BC pipeline haters.

BC's attorney-general says he's 'disappointed' with the courts unanimous decision and will spend yet more taxpayers money appealing the lower courts ruling to the Supremes. I highly doubt that they will overturn the decision considering all the judges were incomplete and total agreement that BC has no right to block the line and that it is in the NATIONAL interest. They may even refuse to hear the appeal considering the solidarity of the judgement.

Great day for Canada and Alberta.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#1804
If HAL9000 was Amazon.com's Alexa



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JepKVUym9Fg
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#1805
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

Looks like BC is running out of ways to destroy the TMX expansion. The B.C. Court of Appeal just ruled unanimously that British Columbia does not have the right to impose environmental laws that could kill the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, and that proposed legislation to limit the flow of increased amounts of "heavy oil" into B.C. would be in direct conflict with federal jurisdiction over interprovincial pipelines.
Another devastating setback for BC pipeline haters.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

BC's attorney-general says he's 'disappointed' with the courts unanimous decision and will spend yet more taxpayers money appealing the lower courts ruling to the Supremes. I highly doubt that they will overturn the decision considering all the judges were incomplete and total agreement that BC has no right to block the line and that it is in the NATIONAL interest. They may even refuse to hear the appeal considering the solidarity of the judgement.
Great day for Canada and Alberta.

I was half assed expecting Canada's version of the 9th circuit to uphold BC's request this is indeed very good news for all Canadians, The supreme court won't even look at this IMO.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+2
#1806
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

BC's attorney-general says he's 'disappointed' with the courts unanimous decision and will spend yet more taxpayers money appealing the lower courts ruling to the Supremes. I highly doubt that they will overturn the decision considering all the judges were incomplete and total agreement that BC has no right to block the line and that it is in the NATIONAL interest. They may even refuse to hear the appeal considering the solidarity of the judgement.

Great day for Canada and Alberta.


I just got quite unimpressed with this David Eby. The electorate needs to send him and John Horgan a plain message.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+2
#1807
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

Looks like BC is running out of ways to destroy the TMX expansion. The B.C. Court of Appeal just ruled unanimously that British Columbia does not have the right to impose environmental laws that could kill the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, and that proposed legislation to limit the flow of increased amounts of "heavy oil" into B.C. would be in direct conflict with federal jurisdiction over interprovincial pipelines.

Another devastating setback for BC pipeline haters.

It seems that the court understands if the oil is stopped from flowing through the pipeline it will flow in rail cars . Why stop pipelines if you are not stopping the flow of oil ?
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#1808
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

It seems that the court understands if the oil is stopped from flowing through the pipeline it will flow in rail cars . Why stop pipelines if you are not stopping the flow of oil ?


One word answer for that...…………………………...IDIOTS!
 
Mowich
Conservative
+3
#1809
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I just got quite unimpressed with this David Eby. The electorate needs to send him and John Horgan a plain message.

Eby's just marching to the tune of his handlers, JLM. I imagine weaver and horgan are weeping in their latte's knowing that chances are slim to none the Supremes will rule against a unanimous decision especially as completion of the line is in the national interest. This is such a great victory for all of us in BC who stood strong against this left-wing loonie government and supported twinning the line.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#1810
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

It seems that the court understands if the oil is stopped from flowing through the pipeline it will flow in rail cars . Why stop pipelines if you are not stopping the flow of oil ?

Well. . . since you get less spillage out of pipelines, I guess the goal here is more spillage.
 
spilledthebeer
#1811
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

Looks like BC is running out of ways to destroy the TMX expansion. The B.C. Court of Appeal just ruled unanimously that British Columbia does not have the right to impose environmental laws that could kill the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, and that proposed legislation to limit the flow of increased amounts of "heavy oil" into B.C. would be in direct conflict with federal jurisdiction over interprovincial pipelines.

Another devastating setback for BC pipeline haters.




Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals are not even out of office yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


And COMMON SENSE is returning to Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


In related news.............................


Ontari-owe civil service union HOGS are claiming Doug Ford is now LESS POPULAR than Kathleen Wynne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What the HOGS ARE NOT TELLING US......................


is the poll was open ONLY TO HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NO opinions from ordinary people wanted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is LIE-beral Fake News at its most FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



 
spilledthebeer
#1812
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Well. . . since you get less spillage out of pipelines, I guess the goal here is more spillage.






Poor Tecumsehbonesforbrains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


He wants to see LOGIC in LIE-beral activity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


Bonesforbrains is DOOMED TO DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


LIE-berals want all the money and all the power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


But NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is NO PLACE for logic in such a a plan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#1813
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Well. . . since you get less spillage out of pipelines, I guess the goal here is more spillage.



Amazing deduction!
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#1814
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Amazing deduction!

It's the only thing I can think of.

Well, either that or the unbelievably naive notion that stopping the pipeline will magically stop fossil fuel-sourcing of energy.
 
Mowich
Conservative
+2
#1815
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

It seems that the court understands if the oil is stopped from flowing through the pipeline it will flow in rail cars . Why stop pipelines if you are not stopping the flow of oil ?

The case had nothing to do with 'stopping the flow' of oil. Rather it had to do with the legality of a province limiting the amount of oil traveling through the line by creating a 'permitting regime'.

The BC Court of Appeal ruled that it was unconstitutional as the Federal government has sole and 'exclusive' responsibility over interprovincial pipelines.

"Justice Mary Newbury wrote on behalf of the panel that the substance of the proposed amendments were to place conditions on and, if necessary, prohibit the movement of heavy oil through a federal undertaking.

Newbury also wrote that the legislation is not just an environmental law of “general application,” but is targeted at one substance, heavy oil, in one interprovincial pipeline: the Trans Mountain expansion project.

“Immediately upon coming into force, it would prohibit the operation of the expanded Trans Mountain pipeline in the province until such time as a provincially appointed official decided otherwise,” she said.

“This alone threatens to usurp the role of the (National Energy Board), which has made many rulings and imposed many conditions to be complied with by Trans Mountain for the protection of the environment.”

business.financialpost.com/news/b-c-cant-restrict-oil-shipments-court-says-in-resounding-win-for-trans-mountain
 
spilledthebeer
#1816
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

It's the only thing I can think of.

Well, either that or the unbelievably naive notion that stopping the pipeline will magically stop fossil fuel-sourcing of energy.




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are NAIVELY sprinkling Fairy Dust on Cdn oil patch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!


LIE-berls think Fairy Dust was created as some weird sort of Weed Killer from Monsanto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Hoid
#1817
he goal here is no heavy oil in BC Coastal waters.(tidewater)
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+3
#1818
Well it's coming to a coast near you soon
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+2
#1819
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

he goal here is no heavy oil in BC Coastal waters.(tidewater)

Is it ? How many oil tankers leave Vancouver Harbour per month ? How many freighters are waiting in English Bay waiting to load and unload freight ? How many cruise ships dock in Vancouver and Victoria per week ? The goal is a never ending battle against ethical extraction methods of Alberta resources. If the green weaver didn’t have Horgan’s hands tied the pipeline would already be built and Trans Mountain would still own it . You don’t think Weavers catipulation on Site C came cheap .
 
Mowich
Conservative
+3
#1820
Braid: After humiliating court defeat, B.C. Premier Horgan blusters on


B.C.'s appeal court has told Premier John Horgan he can't stand in the way of Alberta oil flowing to tidewater.

And yet, B.C. Premier John Horgan does not relent in shilling for continued support of Andrew Weaver’s Greens.

B.C. will appeal this defeat to the Supreme Court of Canada, Horgan vows. He and his attorney general, David Eby, still say they can win.

But this was a courtroom rout; the B.C. appeal court judges ruled 5-0 against Horgan’s specious argument that the province can regulate in an area of clear federal power.

It was a great victory for Premier Jason Kenney, who increasingly looks like a lucky politician. Former Premier Rachel Notley pitched for eight long innings; Kenney strolls to the mound and gets the win.

“B.C.’s highest court has spoken,” Kenney tweeted. “The time for obstruction of TMX is now over.”

The ruling has welcome symbolic meaning. It’s a full-throated declaration that we still have a country where the national government has certain essential powers. The feds were in court, along with Alberta, to argue the point vigorously.

The ruling smooths the way for a new federal approval of pipeline construction on or before June 18. This is a near certainty. We can also expect, before fall, news of major First Nations investment in the project.

There was worry in Ottawa before the B.C. ruling came down. The loss in Federal Court last Aug. 30 – the only one, but massively damaging – showed everyone that you never can be sure what a Canadian court will do next.

Another defeat on Friday would have discouraged oil and gas investment, devalued the federal pipeline stake of $4.5 billion, and ramped up Alberta anger once again.

So, this was a major win – essential, in fact, for the good of Alberta and the whole country.

The unanimous ruling is clear about what Horgan was trying to do.

It says: “The ‘default’ position of the law is to prohibit the possession of all heavy oil in the Province above the Substance Threshold — an immediate and existential threat to a federal undertaking that is being expanded specifically to increase the amount of oil being transported through British Columbia.”

(The “threshold” is roughly the amount that goes through the existing line, which Horgan did not seek to regulate, thereby showing the judges he doesn’t mind bitumen so much after all.)

The ruling continues: “Even if it were not intended to ‘single out’ the TMX pipeline, it has the potential to affect (and indeed ‘stop in its tracks’) the entire operation of Trans Mountain as an interprovincial carrier and exporter of oil.

“It is legislation that in pith and substance relates to, and relates only to, what makes the pipeline ‘specifically of federal jurisdiction’.”

The ruling goes on like that. You could say it knocks the pith out of Horgan.

But the B.C. Greens are increasingly militant, after winning eight provincial seats in Prince Edward Island and the federal riding of Nanaimo-Ladysmith in a byelection May 6.

“To be very clear,” federal Leader Elizabeth May has tweeted, “we do not support a single additional barrel of output, a single additional well, or off-shore exploration. No fracking. A rapid transition off fossil fuels.”

Horgan has to dance on the Green string to keep his job. You could almost feel sorry for the guy, if he hadn’t directly caused so much economic pain in Alberta.

And now his reward is Jason Kenney, the implacable foe he helped install by making life so difficult for Notley.

It’s likely that this victory for Kenney, regardless of who did the grunt work, has averted a national crisis.

If Horgan had won and his government had begun to impose the regulations, the premier probably would have invoked Bill 12 and cut oil and gas supplies to both B.C. and the rest of the country.

That won’t happen – yet – but many hurdles await. Actually building the pipeline, for instance.


calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/braid-after-humiliating-court-defeat-b-c-premier-horgan-blusters-on
 
Hoid
+1
#1821
Horgan did what he had to do politically.

He will pursue it to the Supreme Court because he has to.

The feds will oppose it there because they have to.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#1822
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Horgan did what he had to do politically.
He will pursue it to the Supreme Court because he has to.
The feds will oppose it there because they have to.

Maybe, the Supreme Court ruled that way because it's the right thing to do.
 
Hoid
+1
#1823
And maybe the Supreme Court will overturn he lower courts decision because its the right thing to do.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#1824
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Braid: After humiliating court defeat, B.C. Premier Horgan blusters on


B.C.'s appeal court has told Premier John Horgan he can't stand in the way of Alberta oil flowing to tidewater.

And yet, B.C. Premier John Horgan does not relent in shilling for continued support of Andrew Weaver’s Greens.

B.C. will appeal this defeat to the Supreme Court of Canada, Horgan vows. He and his attorney general, David Eby, still say they can win.

But this was a courtroom rout; the B.C. appeal court judges ruled 5-0 against Horgan’s specious argument that the province can regulate in an area of clear federal power.

It was a great victory for Premier Jason Kenney, who increasingly looks like a lucky politician. Former Premier Rachel Notley pitched for eight long innings; Kenney strolls to the mound and gets the win.

“B.C.’s highest court has spoken,” Kenney tweeted. “The time for obstruction of TMX is now over.”

The ruling has welcome symbolic meaning. It’s a full-throated declaration that we still have a country where the national government has certain essential powers. The feds were in court, along with Alberta, to argue the point vigorously.

The ruling smooths the way for a new federal approval of pipeline construction on or before June 18. This is a near certainty. We can also expect, before fall, news of major First Nations investment in the project.

There was worry in Ottawa before the B.C. ruling came down. The loss in Federal Court last Aug. 30 – the only one, but massively damaging – showed everyone that you never can be sure what a Canadian court will do next.

Another defeat on Friday would have discouraged oil and gas investment, devalued the federal pipeline stake of $4.5 billion, and ramped up Alberta anger once again.

So, this was a major win – essential, in fact, for the good of Alberta and the whole country.

The unanimous ruling is clear about what Horgan was trying to do.

It says: “The ‘default’ position of the law is to prohibit the possession of all heavy oil in the Province above the Substance Threshold — an immediate and existential threat to a federal undertaking that is being expanded specifically to increase the amount of oil being transported through British Columbia.”

(The “threshold” is roughly the amount that goes through the existing line, which Horgan did not seek to regulate, thereby showing the judges he doesn’t mind bitumen so much after all.)

The ruling continues: “Even if it were not intended to ‘single out’ the TMX pipeline, it has the potential to affect (and indeed ‘stop in its tracks’) the entire operation of Trans Mountain as an interprovincial carrier and exporter of oil.

“It is legislation that in pith and substance relates to, and relates only to, what makes the pipeline ‘specifically of federal jurisdiction’.”

The ruling goes on like that. You could say it knocks the pith out of Horgan.

But the B.C. Greens are increasingly militant, after winning eight provincial seats in Prince Edward Island and the federal riding of Nanaimo-Ladysmith in a byelection May 6.

“To be very clear,” federal Leader Elizabeth May has tweeted, “we do not support a single additional barrel of output, a single additional well, or off-shore exploration. No fracking. A rapid transition off fossil fuels.”

Horgan has to dance on the Green string to keep his job. You could almost feel sorry for the guy, if he hadn’t directly caused so much economic pain in Alberta.

And now his reward is Jason Kenney, the implacable foe he helped install by making life so difficult for Notley.

It’s likely that this victory for Kenney, regardless of who did the grunt work, has averted a national crisis.

If Horgan had won and his government had begun to impose the regulations, the premier probably would have invoked Bill 12 and cut oil and gas supplies to both B.C. and the rest of the country.

That won’t happen – yet – but many hurdles await. Actually building the pipeline, for instance.


calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/braid-after-humiliating-court-defeat-b-c-premier-horgan-blusters-on

So sad that Horgan is actually pro pipeline . Politics make strange bedfellows.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#1825
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

And maybe the Supreme Court will overturn he lower courts decision because its the right thing to do.

How hard did B.C. really fight this issue ? Only enough to appease The Green Weaver . IMHO .
 
Hoid
#1826
It was poorly written and seemingly meant to be that way.

The point BC is trying to make is valid - the province should have a say of some sort in what gets transported across their jurisdiction.
 
Mowich
Conservative
+3
#1827
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

And maybe the Supreme Court will overturn he lower courts decision because its the right thing to do.


Not according to the legal begals the networks have been interviewing. In fact, there is every chance the Supremes may very well refuse to hear the appeal which would definitely be the best outcome for taxpayers of this province who are outraged at this utter waste of government money,
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+2
#1828
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

It was poorly written and seemingly meant to be that way.

The point BC is trying to make is valid - the province should have a say of some sort in what gets transported across their jurisdiction.


If you happen to think Provincial supersedes Federal, you have another think coming!
 
Tecumsehsbones
#1829
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

If you happen to think Provincial supersedes Federal, you have another think coming!

Damn, you spelled "supersedes" right, JLM! I'm impressed.

Seriously, no sarcasm. Probably about 90% of everybody spells it "supercedes." Well done you!
 
Hoid
#1830
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

If you happen to think Provincial supersedes Federal, you have another think coming!

Then again there's always the notwithstanding clause...