American Disintigration in 2010


darkbeaver
Republican
#1
  • DECEMBER 29, 2008
As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.

In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America 'Disintegrates' in 2010






By ANDREW OSBORN

MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.
Igor Panarin



In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."
Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.
But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#2
"prophets" abound.
Some people think everything will end in 2012 so the US ending in 2010 is not a biggie. lol
 
VanIsle
#3
That's probably because he thinks there is going to be the NAU! If that ever happens, it would only make this continent stronger in regard to Russia. Can't see Canada giving in to the USA. Maybe the USA will be gone because all the states will be provinces! Ya gotta like that (as long as you are a Canadian)
 
VanIsle
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

"prophets" abound.
Some people think everything will end in 2012 so the US ending in 2010 is not a biggie. lol

Les, to some people the world is ending "tomorrow" and that's been going on forever! I guess someday it might.
 
Trex
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

  • DECEMBER 29, 2008
As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.

In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America 'Disintegrates' in 2010






By ANDREW OSBORN

MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.
Igor Panarin



In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."
Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.
But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which

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Well who knows, maybe he is right.
One thing we do know for sure is that Russia is falling apart considerably faster than the United States.
Last time I was there the whole place was coming apart at the seams.

Democracy and rule of law is failing.

The Kremlin is running out of money at a record pace.
Pretty much all state spending is funded by oil exports and that is well and truly in the crapper.
Most state spending has been on the military and as a result infrastructure is in terrible shape.
Big oil has all been driven out by state sponsored mafia.
Oil and gas production is dropping fast, reinvestment is nil.
Just like Chavez the Russians are begging the big oil,high tech crowd to return.
Never happen, not under Putin or Chavez.

The Chinese and the Indians are going to go right past the Russians and it's not going to take very long.

So I guess you cant really blame the Russians for trying to make themselves feel a little better by wishing ill on others.

Trex
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#6
If the States busts up, could we have Hawaii and Alaska (sans - Geezus I forgot her name)?
 
petros
#7
Whathisname ah yes.... Berlin, also predicted things go kaput depending on with type of freedom we sought after post Soviet break up. Negative Freedom or positive Freedom. Our society is enemy drive to give us a goal. Without an enemy our brand of freedom has no aim, or no unifying drive which always leads to a division of society into no middle class. This will always lead to tyranny (using force to spread a defined type of freedom).
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#8
USA will be around a lot longer than Russia. There is no mechanism for the states to secede from USA. On the contrary, they fought a civil war, rather than let the South go.

Nobody is talking of breaking away from USA (I understand there is a small faction in Vermont who wants to secede). I don’t see USA breaking up.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#9
Goals of the Alaskan Independence Party

Sarah Palin's husband was a member.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#10
O, and Hawaii

HAWAII - INDEPENDENT & SOVEREIGN
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#11
And the South

Confederate States of America *Main* CSAgov.org - Offical Govnerment Website
 
petros
#12
Alaskans tend to consider themselves Alaskan first and American second. Nice folk there.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Islandpacific View Post

That's probably because he thinks there is going to be the NAU! If that ever happens, it would only make this continent stronger in regard to Russia. Can't see Canada giving in to the USA. Maybe the USA will be gone because all the states will be provinces! Ya gotta like that (as long as you are a Canadian)


"The United States of Canada." That has a nice ring to it....
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#14
And don't forget California!

The California Secession Movement (imatt.us)
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#15
Sheet, I forgot Vermont!

Free Vermont | Second Vermont Republic
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#16
Of course, Ohio!

The Ohio Republic: Montana threatens secession
 
Said1
Free Thinker
#17
I thought Texas had a independence streak, too?
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Said1 View Post

I thought Texas had a independence streak, too?

Yep, I just got tired!

The Southern Independence Party Of Texas
 
normbc9
Conservative
#19
The forecast by this Russian must be the musings of one who is now worrying about his own country as well. I have a close freind who flies a large freghter aircraft into Russia on a scheduled basis. He says the people who are unloading the cargo are usually incarcerated inmates under military type supevision. That has to tell us something if the use of prisoners in this way is routine. Unemployment is an issue in Russia just like it is in the US. Who know? Maybe they both go down.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by normbc9 View Post

The forecast by this Russian must be the musings of one who is now worrying about his own country as well. I have a close freind who flies a large freghter aircraft into Russia on a scheduled basis. He says the people who are unloading the cargo are usually incarcerated inmates under military type supevision. That has to tell us something if the use of prisoners in this way is routine. Unemployment is an issue in Russia just like it is in the US. Who know? Maybe they both go down.

Norm, no country has a greater prison population than the USA and no country has greater commercial explotation of it's prison population than the USA.
 
petros
#21
Don't forget Montana!
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

If the States busts up, could we have Hawaii and Alaska (sans - Geezus I forgot her name)?

Sarah Palin. We'll let her have her own little space on Priblof Islands (she could hunt seal lions). She can even call it Palinington.

I'd also put in a request for Oregon and Washington State
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyr View Post

Sarah Palin. We'll let her have her own little space on Priblof Islands (she could hunt seal lions). She can even call it Palinington.

I'd also put in a request for Oregon and Washington State

Put in a request for Idaho too. I like their spuds.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#24
Hey, I just thought of something. Washington and Oregon already belong to us; it was Britain who bargained them away! Definitely get them back!
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Hey, I just thought of something. Washington and Oregon already belong to us; it was Britain who bargained them away! Definitely get them back!


Maybe we can drop the Idaho claim in exchange for Oregon. Once we have Oregon, geography Washington becoming part of Canada would just be a natural progression



We'd even throw in a '24 of "real" beer to seal the deal
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#26
Sorry, I donítí want any of the USA states in Canada, they are all too conservative for Canada, and they will pull the country sharply to the right.

Even states like New York, California, Washington or Oregon are too conservative for Canada. Massachusetts may be OK, they can join Canada. Also Vermont would be good. It is a tiny state and it would be just like another Maritime province. Oh, and of course, Hawaii.

But as to the rest of them, Americans can keep them.
 
Spade
Free Thinker
#27
What about Mexico's claim to the former territories of New Spain? Does NAFTA cover it.?
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

What about Mexico's claim to the former territories of New Spain? Does NAFTA cover it.?

What about "my" claim to Mt. Rainer? eh.. You may think it's trivial, but...
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#29
There are idiots everywhere who wish we would break up, but our National Pride runs deeper than most people in other countries are capable of understanding. As was noted, we fought a civil war over states rights, we are not New Yorkers, Georgians or Californians, we are Americans first.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

Sorry, I donítí want any of the USA states in Canada, they are all too conservative for Canada, and they will pull the country sharply to the right.

Even states like New York, California, Washington or Oregon are too conservative for Canada. Massachusetts may be OK, they can join Canada. Also Vermont would be good. It is a tiny state and it would be just like another Maritime province. Oh, and of course, Hawaii.

But as to the rest of them, Americans can keep them.

No worries, Cali is pretty liberal. The tectonic plate it is on is rotating in this direction and eventually Cali will be off the shores of BC. For that matter eventually it'll be up around the Aleutians. lol
 

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