1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified


Cliffy
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Discovered and kept secret in the year 2000, the book contains the Gospel of Barnabas – a disciple of Christ – which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet. The book also calls Apostle Paul “The Impostor”. The book also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place.
Read more at 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe |Higher Perspective
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Lots of old books which were not included in the Bible. The Gospel of Judas has an even different twist. According to that book, Judas & Jesus were best friends and Jesus made Judas do the betrayal in order to set events in motion. Judas reluctantly agreed and once done was stoned by the other disciples (not committed suicide as mentioned in the other texts).
 
Goober
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Read them all, see ya in the next life.


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damngrumpy
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There are at least two dozen books of the Bible including Mary yes the one Pope
Gregory turned into a prostitute and she was never one before his invention.
I have always believed the whole Jesus story was bent into a religion from a real
live peaceful political revolution. The right wing claimed him as their hero at the
time of Constantine cause the Romans needed a new God to lead them.
 
cj44
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Discovered and kept secret in the year 2000, the book contains the Gospel of Barnabas – a disciple of Christ – which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet. The book also calls Apostle Paul “The Impostor”. The book also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place.
Read more at 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe |Higher Perspective

Cliffy, That one is as old as...well...as old as 2000+ years. I suppose Satan likes those oldies but goodies.
I'm going to go easy on you Cliffy old boy. I will refrain from quoting any Scripture in this post.
 
petros
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Yeeeeeeeah rriiiiiight. The crucifix was used immediately by the first synagogues to start teaching the Gospel immediately after his death.
 
Count_Lothian
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I really do not think Jesus thought of himself as God.
I think it was emperor Constatine who turned him into a god.
Caesar could not bow down to nothing other and the whole roman empire thing with it's conquering people and having these weird marriages in heaven which produced instant offspring for both the conquered and the Romans to worship.

sad really cause I'm sure the message of Jesus was a fine one and people loved the guy.

As for Satan, why do people who believe in him think he is more powerful than their god.
they refuse , except muslims , to say God created Satan. and for some reason.

If god did not create Satan than satan is another creator. for this pure evil had to be created by someone . It's not about choice it's about evil being created and then the free will comes into play..

here's a thought.

What if Satan chose to be satan for all of us.
without satan there is no yin and yang good or evil positive or negative.
maybe Satan is the most altruistic of all the angels in giving up his life with God , angels are not eternal beings like humans, and satan for God';s plan became Satan.

it's all so Marvel comics group .

why do we need to place human attributes on this God.
this whole Abraham god and his wars and genocides is so...so....ruthless and mean ...
i think the Abrahmic god is nothing but a totem to instill fear...

meh...
 
gopher
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I really do not think Jesus thought of himself as God.



He didn't as gods don't wash the feet of their own servants. There are many inconsistencies in the Bible and perhaps some of those things could have been cleared up if all these others "gospels" had been made a part of the Bible. But who knows?
 
cj44
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Count,

"it's all so Marvel comics group ..."

Indeed your narrative is all very marvel.

Ladies & Gentlemen, if we wish to make any progress, let us stop stumbling over the stumbling block. Yes, Jesus is God. Really. If He were not God, then someone want to tell me why we should concern ourselves with Him? Lord? Lunatic? or Liar? Pick one.

Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
 
Count_Lothian
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

I really do not think Jesus thought of himself as God.



He didn't as gods don't wash the feet of their own servants. There are many inconsistencies in the Bible and perhaps some of those things could have been cleared up if all these others "gospels" had been made a part of the Bible. But who knows?

What ever , what are people to do.

I've tried my hand at the whole christian thing and it made me feel like an idiot.
Too much of the bible is nonsense or killing.

There is absolulty no evidence of Moses anywhere.
Not one hieroglyph in egypt telling a tale of jewish slaves or of this so called exodus.

Then there was these estimated three million jews wandering an area the size of the GTA for forty years without one artifact to be found as evidence it really happened. not a spoon or pot.

I mean wow. how can you believe in this stuff. I've tried. really tried..but it's all so full of holes .
 
cj44
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

I really do not think Jesus thought of himself as God.



He didn't as gods don't wash the feet of their own servants. There are many inconsistencies in the Bible and perhaps some of those things could have been cleared up if all these others "gospels" had been made a part of the Bible. But who knows?

Well, Gopher - I know. Yes, Jesus is God. That takes care of that.
 
Count_Lothian
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Quote: Originally Posted by cj44 View Post

Count,

"it's all so Marvel comics group ..."

Indeed your narrative is all very marvel.

what does that even mean?

Quote:

Ladies & Gentlemen, if we wish to make any progress, let us stop stumbling over the stumbling block. Yes, Jesus is God. Really. If He were not God, then someone want to tell me why we should concern ourselves with Him? Lord? Lunatic? or Liar? Pick one.

there are vast numbers of people who never concern themselves with him.
what are you on about?

Quote:

Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

Are you ok?
 
cj44
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Count,
What does that mean? Well, it means I find your commentary rather astonishing. You know, rather marvel.

Indeed you are correct. There are vast numbers of people who never concern themselves with him. I should mean to say that if Jesus is not God, then why should we or anyone pay him any mind? However, if Jesus is most certainly God, then should we all be rather concerned and persistent in our pursuit of knowing Him? Is it every day that God dies for us? Should we take note?

"Am I ok?" I am and how are you Count? Is all going well for you?

Quote: Originally Posted by Count_Lothian View Post

What ever , what are people to do.

I've tried my hand at the whole christian thing and it made me feel like an idiot.
Too much of the bible is nonsense or killing.

There is absolulty no evidence of Moses anywhere.
Not one hieroglyph in egypt telling a tale of jewish slaves or of this so called exodus.

Then there was these estimated three million jews wandering an area the size of the GTA for forty years without one artifact to be found as evidence it really happened. not a spoon or pot.

I mean wow. how can you believe in this stuff. I've tried. really tried..but it's all so full of holes .

Count,
Let God come to you. No need to build a case to prove His existence. Here is a better and more efficient way to find Him. Do as the bible says - seek Him. Pursue Him. Tell Him that you don't quite know what to make of Moses & you "can't fill all the holes". Ask Him for faith. No need to suspend your desire for scientific evidence in regards to life here on earth. Faith is an entirely different matter. We can't conjure faith up on our own.

Give it a try. Trust Scripture. Seek the Lord your God. He shall be gracious to you.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by cj44 View Post

If He were not God, then someone want to tell me why we should concern ourselves with Him? Lord? Lunatic? or Liar? Pick one.

Your choices are too limited. He was none of the above, but those who wrote the bible, who put it together in its present form, did so to lord over the masses. It is only your blind faith in the bible as the (only) word of god that limits your perception of reality. And you are very selective in what you believe about what is in it, in spite of your claims to the contrary. Your refusal to acknowledge the thousands of contradictions in it are a testament to that. Believing that the metaphorical illustrations and stories are the literal truth blinds to the real value of the teachings in the book. A complete lack of interest or understanding of the history and politically motivated mistranslations, misinterpretations and additions is another. The bible is not the source. In order to commune with the Source one must give up worshiping false idols (the bible) and open your mind and heart to your god.
 
Dexter Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by cj44 View Post

Ladies & Gentlemen, if we wish to make any progress, let us stop stumbling over the stumbling block. Yes, Jesus is God. Really. If He were not God, then someone want to tell me why we should concern ourselves with Him? Lord? Lunatic? or Liar? Pick one.

Ah, the C. S. Lewis argument. There are other options, the most likely one being that the stories we have of him are fabrications.
 
Spade
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Christianity was not Jesus' doing; it was Saul's (Paul's).
There is nothing wrong in seeing the "divine" in his teachings. Pacifism, charity, forgiveness, love of neighbour and adversary, and so on, are noble ideals but they aren't Christian as is practised today.
 
Count_Lothian
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Quote: Originally Posted by cj44 View Post

Count,
What does that mean? Well, it means I find your commentary rather astonishing. You know, rather marvel.

this might sound insulting ,but your horrid at this dramatic forum genre thing you do.
Quote:

Indeed you are correct. There are vast numbers of people who never concern themselves with him.

Meh a man by any other name is still just another man.
Whats the big deal, spider man is big now, Deputy dog is like an unknown.
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I should mean to say that if Jesus is not God, then why should we or anyone pay him any mind?

Plenty of fiction characters and historic figure capture people's interest.
Quote:

However, if Jesus is most certainly God, then should we all be rather concerned and persistent in our pursuit of knowing Him?

Yup , but God is God and these imputations you put on God are revolting to the sane.
This biblical god of abraham that killed and laid waste to enemies of the Jewish people, you actually worship this Loki?
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Is it every day that God dies for us? Should we take note?

People die every minute now, and how does God die. It's like asking physics to no longer be.

Quote:

"Am I ok?" I am and how are you Count? Is all going well for you?

Meh it's hard to find real absinthe and we no longer get to talk of the little people, but yeah things are cool. But then there is the whole human rights thing , don't get me started. Equal rights given out to the masses.

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Count,
Let God come to you.

How can i Come to me. Everything is God. for me anyway. humans are humans grass seed is grass seed and everything is God.
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No need to build a case to prove His existence.

why the use of His why not just God. you see this is the first clue you are being used and duped. iIrealize by your rants your so far gone down the rabbit hole of this antiquated use of religion, that your fanaticism is poisined you to no end.

But please for the love of God stop using human attributes as Him to describe God. It's decieving.

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Here is a better and more efficient way to find Him. Do as the bible says - seek Him.

Again with the him routine. How do you seek the Ox that you are riding. your riding the Ox ,sitting on it and your asking where is it at.
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Pursue Him.

your lost , all is lost with this one.,,, I forgot what it is like to talk to Zombies.
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Tell Him that you don't quite know what to make of Moses & you "can't fill all the holes".

and what do you fill in these holes with. there never was a moses, no slaves to Egypt, no one can find a shred of evidence. Not a shred.
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Ask Him for faith.

I don't need Faith for what i know is God. God is everything, you are God.
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No need to suspend your desire for scientific evidence in regards to life here on earth.

Science is just uncovering what God is, nothing to fear.

Quote:

Faith is an entirely different matter. We can't conjure faith up on our own.

Give it a try.

Faith is for the non believers and those that have been duped. I know God , God enables me.


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Trust Scripture. Seek the Lord your God. He shall be gracious to you.

your approach is designed to keep you controlled and in ignorance . This concept of Satan you have, it is sort of like that keeping you blind and missing the point so entirely you no longer allow for evolution to enable you.
 
spaminator
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there are some who believe that their are descendants of his that are alive today.
 
Walter
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They're
 
cj44
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Cliffy, How ya doing this morning?
Count, It seems you woke up on the wrong side of reality. You are not God, I am not God.
Hello Dexter. Yes, Lewis makes a fine point.
Spade, You suggest the teachings of Jesus and Paul are different, how so?
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by cj44 View Post

Cliffy, How ya doing this morning?

I'm fine this sunny morning. A little too early in the day to be up, but I'll manage. It is you that I worry about. I think you have a very kind heart but that you have been lead astray.
 
MHz
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2Th:2:3:
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first, (check)
and that man of sin be revealed, (pending)
the son of perdition;

So let's see, the popular consensus is the RCC has corrupted the Bible since day 1 and now the popular consensus is the RCC has had a document in it's possession for 14 years and it is pristine as it was when 'first discovered'. Explains the path the country is on that's for sure.
Does it also say the 'money-changers' (actually) secretly stopped Judas from hiring an assassin?
 
Spade
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Quote: Originally Posted by cj44 View Post

Cliffy, How ya doing this morning?
Count, It seems you woke up on the wrong side of reality. You are not God, I am not God.
Hello Dexter. Yes, Lewis makes a fine point.
Spade, You suggest the teachings of Jesus and Paul are different, how so?

Well, for starters, Saul never knew Yeshua, the mendicant Jewish rabbi. Saul's theology was a Greek version of rumour and story.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Christianity was not Jesus' doing; it was Saul's (Paul's).
There is nothing wrong in seeing the "divine" in his teachings. Pacifism, charity, forgiveness, love of neighbour and adversary, and so on, are noble ideals but they aren't Christian as is practised today.

A bit general in application. We are all not Westbo Baptists.
 
Spade
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Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

A bit general in application. We are all not Westbo Baptists.

Which "Christian" practices do you disavow?
PS
What in Hell (Heaven's name) is a Christian?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Which "Christian" practices do you disavow?
PS
What in Hell (Heaven's name) is a Christian?

A Christian (to me) is somebody who believes in Jesus as son of God. I strive to follow his teachings (the new testimant stuff for the most part). I tend to think those that take specific sections out of context (of a Roman Empire type world) for their own purposes (the whole Leviticus thing with homosexuality for example) are poor Christians and it is their practices I disavow.
 
Spade
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Does a Christian have to believe Jesus was a god?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Does a Christian have to believe Jesus was a god?

I guess it depends on who is holding the dictionary. Personally. I believe he is the son of God not a god.
 
Spade
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No different from any other of us who have the spark of the "divine", or was he God?
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

No different from any other of us who have the spark of the "divine", or was he God?

My church teaches of the Holy Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The spark of divine would be the Holy Spirit who is in all of us.
 

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