Our Cousin Spade

VanIsle
#1
I'm sure many of you have noticed Spade often signs "cousin Spade". Spade goes by the premise that all of us on earth are related to each other. Therefore, we are all cousins. I thought some of you may have some thoughts of your own regarding our relationship to each other. I'm assuming that Spade thinks of his wife as an extremely distant cousin but very close relative. I'm with Spade. I like to think that no matter our colour or creed, we all stemmed from two.
 
petros
#2
Spade's Theory of Relativity
 
Zan
#3
I have to admit, I did wonder, and I appreciate the explanation about Cousin Spade. I would have to agree - our shared humanity does indeed make us all related. Not gonna comment on the dysfunctional family we all seem to have created though
 
karrie
#4
I've gotten quite used to everyone being called cousins when it comes to First Nations people, and just assumed Spade was Native.
 
L Gilbert
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Spade's Theory of Relativity

lol good one!
 
L Gilbert
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

I've gotten quite used to everyone being called cousins when it comes to First Nations people, and just assumed Spade was Native.

lol when I married my wife I had no idea her family was that big. Everyone is father, mother, sister, brother. hehehe
 
Tyr
#7
Cousin Spade


 
L Gilbert
#8
Technically speaking: biblically we are all related as we descended from Adam and Eve, other religions may have similar views to this.
Scientifically I think it is highly probable that there was more than one origin for humanity.
 
Spade
#9
There are five reasons why I use "cousin."

Reason #1
A scientific reason - mitochondrial Eve.
BBC - h2g2 - Mitochondrial Eve - An Explanation - A703199
And the "out of Africa" journey
https://genographic.nationalgeograph.../en/atlas.html
 
L Gilbert
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

There are five reasons why I use "cousin."

Reason #1
A scientific reason - mitochondrial Eve.
BBC - h2g2 - Mitochondrial Eve - An Explanation - A703199

Key word in the first paragraph is "idea"
Quote:

Mitochondrial Eve represents one of the most poorly understood scientific ideas .......

and then later .....
Quote:

And this is where the confusion sets in. A single organism can't populate a planet (arguments about amoeba aside). The evidence didn't suggest a single woman living in isolation from members of her own species. What it suggested was a genetic bottleneck a period in human history when the population was so small that the genetic expressions of a single woman could have an impact on all humans living on the planet today.

So much for the "idea" of creation.
 
Tyr
#11
Still looking for answers to the riddle. Maybe in the car engine?



nope.
 
petros
#12
Quote:

Quoting Spade There are five reasons why I use "cousin."

Reason #1
A scientific reason - mitochondrial Eve.
BBC - h2g2 - Mitochondrial Eve - An Explanation - A703199
Key word in the first paragraph is "idea"
Quote: Mitochondrial Eve represents one of the most poorly understood scientific ideas .......
and then later .....
Quote: And this is where the confusion sets in. A single organism can't populate a planet (arguments about amoeba aside). The evidence didn't suggest a single woman living in isolation from members of her own species. What it suggested was a genetic bottleneck a period in human history when the population was so small that the genetic expressions of a single woman could have an impact on all humans living on the planet today.
So much for the "idea" of creation.

Mycellium rules this planet and probably many many others. If it ever took revenge we'd be toast in days.
 
L Gilbert
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Mycellium rules this planet and probably many many others. If it ever took revenge we'd be toast in days.

Life is tough, then you die. lol
I can think of a couple things that might do us all in. Perhaps one day we will have gotten rid of just one too many species, perhaps a comet or something will land here, perhaps aliens wil atomize us, etc.
 
Spade
#14
Reason #2
For my mathematician* cousins:
I had two parents; but so did you!
And, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents, 16 great great grandparents, and so on.
2, 4, 8, 16, ... a geometric progression.
Go back 1000 years or 40 generations (assuming 25 years per generation)
That's 2^40 ancestors alive 1000 years ago.
But, 2^40 is about 1 099 511 628 000.
Hah! There weren't over a trillion people alive on Earth 1000 years ago - neither my ancestors nor yours.
It is a much, much smaller web of interrelationships. We indeed are cousins and not as long as 1000 years ago.

* "A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isn't there." -- Charles Robert
 
karrie
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Reason #2
For my mathematician* cousins:

hmmmm.... that doesn't factor in kissing cousins.
 
L Gilbert
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Reason #2
For my mathematician* cousins:
I had two parents; but so did you!
And, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents, 16 great great grandparents, and so on.
2, 4, 8, 16, ... a geometric progression.
Go back 1000 years or 40 generations (assuming 25 years per generation)
That's 2^40 ancestors alive 1000 years ago.
But, 2^40 is about 1 099 511 628 000.
Hah! There weren't over a trillion people alive on Earth 1000 years ago - neither my ancestors nor yours.
It is a much, much smaller web of interrelationships. We indeed are cousins and not as long as 1000 years ago.

* "A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isn't there." -- Charles Robert

lol Yes, but you forgot that some of us had the SAME parents. My wife's sisters and her had the same two parents, for instance.
 
Tyr
#17
The Six degrees of Seperation

Six degrees of separation (also referred to as the "Human Web") refers to the idea that, if a person is one step away from each person they know and two steps away from each person who is known by one of the people they know, then everyone is no more than six "steps" away from each person on Earth. The easier way to understand this is that person A only needs a maximum of five people in between to connect to person B.(Supposing person A and B don't know each other.)



 
Spade
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

lol Yes, but you forgot that some of us had the SAME parents. My wife's sisters and her had the same two parents, for instance.

Hey, L. Gilbert, are you my estranged brother!

Ahh, "My wife's sisters and her had the same two parents, for instance" reinforces the idea of an inter-relational web. However, I am going vertically in the progression, not laterally!

And, so, the first two reasons dispense with race (a social not a genetic construct), ethnic or national purity (Nonsense, check out a Brit). I have family on every inhabited continent and of every "race" and "colour." But then, so do you, cousin! So do you!

Reason #3 is much more relevant to me, however. More later.
 
Spade
#19
PS
Thanks, Tyr
 
darkbeaver
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Mycellium rules this planet and probably many many others. If it ever took revenge we'd be toast in days.

There was some talk of spores being able to survive space travel and getting off this planet.
 
L Gilbert
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

Hey, L. Gilbert, are you my estranged brother!

Of course I am, but you are more estrange than I am. lol

Quote:

Ahh, "My wife's sisters and her had the same two parents, for instance" reinforces the idea of an inter-relational web. However, I am going vertically in the progression, not laterally!

I know. I am just having fun.

Quote:

And, so, the first two reasons dispense with race (a social not a genetic construct), ethnic or national purity (Nonsense, check out a Brit). I have family on every inhabited continent and of every "race" and "colour." But then, so do you, cousin! So do you!

The probabilities are high, yes.

Reason #3 is much more relevant to me, however. More later.[/quote]
 
L Gilbert
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyr View Post

........



I don't see anyone I know in there.
 
VanIsle
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Mycellium rules this planet and probably many many others. If it ever took revenge we'd be toast in days.

Not fair - if you are going to throw in a new word - you have to spell it right so that I can find it in less than about 3 seconds. This one took about 15 seconds.
mycelium (m # s " l " m), n., pl. -lia (-l " ). Mycol.
the mass of hyphae that form the vegetative part of a fungus.
[183040; < NL, equiv. to Gk myk- MYC - + (h) l (os) wart, nail + NL -ium - IUM ]
myce lial, adj.

By the way "hyphae" is apparently one of the thread like elements of the mycelium
just to save anyone look-up time.
 
Diarygirl
#24
Really, if you look at it that way, genetically, we are all related! (The whole human race!)
Bye for now cousins! C ya later!
 
lone wolf
#25
Now ... we have Adam and Eve and their offspring ...and their offspring had to mate with somebody so many generations later they could be struck dead because they were all bad buggers.

So then we have Noah and the missus. Then their offspring begat offspring who had to mate with somebody too so's we could all be cousins....

Does that all sanction incest?
 
Diarygirl
#26
If what is said in the bible about Adam and Eve being the first humans on earth, then it was, to multiply. Who knows what the real truth is? Some believe it and some don't. Just my opinion!
 
Spade
#27
Reason #3
Not are we all related genetically, we are are related as inheritors of "Western Culture." Today, the Baghdad Museum reopened (sadly with 2/3 of its artifacts missing - plundered after the invasion). Iraq - the birthplace of Western Civilization.

And, we're all part of the CC Family.

But the real reasons I call you "cousins' is ...

Sorry, got to go shovel snow!
 
Francis2004
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Spade View Post

There are five reasons why I use "cousin."

Reason #1
A scientific reason - mitochondrial Eve.
BBC - h2g2 - Mitochondrial Eve - An Explanation - A703199
And the "out of Africa" journey
https://genographic.nationalgeograph.../en/atlas.html

Welcome to the family..

Can I borrow a few thousand dollars never to be seen again
 
Cliffy
#29
I don't remember any mention of Adam and Eve having any daughters. Could Cane and Able have been hermaphrodites? Could Cane (his feminine side) have killed Able's feminine side in a jealous rage? So many questions, so little evidence!
 
lone wolf
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by SirFrancis2004 View Post

Welcome to the family..

Can I borrow a few thousand dollars never to be seen again

Day-amn!
Maybe we ARE related!
 

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