Layton is soft on capitalist pigs


darkbeaver
Republican
#1
Canada: 2009 NDP Federal Convention - Say "No" to coalitions

Written by Camilo Cahis in Toronto Monday, 10 August 2009

The effects of the economic crisis have hit Canadian workers hard over the last year. Going into this summer's federal NDP convention, the NDP needs to stand up for workers and not enter into any more coaltions with the bosses' parties.
The effects of the economic crisis have hit Canadian workers hard over the last year. As of the beginning of June, over 362,000 jobs had disappeared in Canada since October 2008. Over half of these job losses have been in Ontario, mostly in the relatively well-paid manufacturing sector. According to Statistics Canada, Canada's unemployment rate currently stands at a 15-year high, but is going to continue to grow for years to come. Most bourgeois economists admit that even in the unlikely chance the economy begins to rebound by the end of this year, it will take much longer for jobs to return.

As one Toronto Star columnist put it, in this situation, one would expect for workers to be turning to Canada's “socialist” party, the NDP, in droves. But, the opposite is the case. In a recent poll, the federal NDP continues t
 
Machjo
#2
Say no to co-allitions? So in other words, the NDP should be just as hard-headed and unco-operative and confrontational as the Conservative Party?

Ah, George Orwel's Animal Farm still holds true toda. Left or right, they're all the same.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#3
No actually it's a case of the membership having tired of Mr Laytons lazy non confrontational dithering while Rome burns. There's been far to much having of tea and biscuits with the regressive barbaric capitalist pig dogs.
 
Kreskin
#4
Who's kidding who about capitalism and what the alternative might be. Everyone, no matter what their stripes are, is into anything for the money. Dress up as many as you want in Mao suits; if you aren't making the money someone else is. Even the communists have their elite tea parties on the backs of the worker. At least capitalists are honest. There is no alternative to making money. Either make it or hang around for handouts.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#5
Layton knows what side his bread is buttered on....
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

Who's kidding who about capitalism and what the alternative might be. Everyone, no matter what their stripes are, is into anything for the money. Dress up as many as you want in Mao suits; if you aren't making the money someone else is. Even the communists have their elite tea parties on the backs of the worker. At least capitalists are honest. There is no alternative to making money. Either make it or hang around for handouts.

You've been in the sun too long Kreskin, happens every summer. Try and keep in mind that while I applaud the end of capitalism, especially the American variety, twas not I what broke it, twas the greedy capitalist pig dogs themselves. Now as I see it you can pine away for the good old bad days, that are never coming back, or you can adapt to The Pink World Order like an intelligent socially involved person. There was always alternatives to money. Very soon food and firewood will be the currency of choice. Even better than gold and silver at first.
Last edited by darkbeaver; Aug 16th, 2009 at 03:15 PM..
 
Risus
#7
The NDP convention ran out of time to chande the name by removing 'New'. If they can't organize their time in a convention , how do they expect to be able to run a country???
 
Johnnny
No Party Affiliation
#8
^--- i saw that very same quote in the comments section on ctv... Was that you?
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Risus View Post

The NDP convention ran out of time to chande the name by removing 'New'. If they can't organize their time in a convention , how do they expect to be able to run a country???

I hope not the same way Harper operates his fiefdom....
 
earth_as_one
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Risus View Post

The NDP convention ran out of time to chande the name by removing 'New'. If they can't organize their time in a convention , how do they expect to be able to run a country???

You mean set priorities and deal with as many issues as possible in the time alloted starting with the most important ones first?

Personally I don't think a name change is as important as climate change and the environment, sustainable energy, gender violence, foreign aid, immigration policy and first nations land claims.
 
Kreskin
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

You've been in the sun too long Kreskin, happens every summer. Try and keep in mind that while I applaud the end of capitalism, especially the American variety, twas not I what broke it, twas the greedy capitalist pig dogs themselves. Now as I see it you can pine away for the good old bad days, that are never coming back, or you can adapt to The Pink World Order like an intelligent socially involved person. There was always alternatives to money. Very soon food and firewood will be the currency of choice. Even better than gold and silver at first.

It's always something that will happen very soon, then it's on to the next very soon thing... Nothing is broke. What you've witnessed over the last couple of years is the way the world works.
 
Said1
Free Thinker
#12
Layton is soft on just about everything, IMHO. He isn't as short as he appears on TV, though.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

It's always something that will happen very soon, then it's on to the next very soon thing... Nothing is broke. What you've witnessed over the last couple of years is the way the world works.

That's what I'v been saying. Don't expect an argument from me about the accuracy of your statement. Your perspective isn't the same as mine. Yours seems very alien to me. If nothings broke then something needs to be smashed. The ways of the world are subject to change without notice.The ways of mankind are predictable. The last couple of years was a tiny byte. If you don't want to make the world a better place you're wasteing it's time and resources. You are here for it, not the other way arround. That's natural capitalism by the way.
 
Kreskin
#14
Beave, the world is full of greed. That's the nature of mankind. It isn't going away. We're all greedy. Unless you can put a stop to greed you will always have capitalism, even if it charades as something else. Converting currency to firewood will just result in people hoarding firewood and selling it to those who don't have it - at the highest price they can get. Fort Western Red Cedar will have stockpiles of pristine logs while people live under bridges and wheel around burnt embers in shopping carts.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

Beave, the world is full of greed. That's the nature of mankind. It isn't going away. We're all greedy. Unless you can put a stop to greed you will always have capitalism, even if it charades as something else. Converting currency to firewood will just result in people hoarding firewood and selling it to those who don't have it - at the highest price they can get. Fort Western Red Cedar will have stockpiles of pristine logs while people live under bridges and wheel around burnt embers in shopping carts.

Again I got no argument. Unregulated greed is what capitalism nurtures, and nothing else but. Those who lean that right way don't see error they only see vulgar oportunity. If reason and ethics do not inform your greed, loseing your hand surely will. We did not and will not always have capitalism, don't hide behind trade and industry come out into the light, where we can see the horns and cloven hooves. We have always had murder, should we embrace it?
 
Kreskin
#16
I think the likelihood of stopping people from trying to make more money than their neighbour will be about as successful as any new regulation intended to eliminate murder.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

I think the likelihood of stopping people from trying to make more money than their neighbour will be about as successful as any new regulation intended to eliminate murder.

Negative vibrations just get you negative returns all the bright people hope for positive developement and outcome.How does stagnation and regression serve you, and how will it not serve your children less than it has served you?
 
Risus
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Said1 View Post

Layton is soft on just about everything, IMHO. He isn't as short as he appears on TV, though.

Yes, jackasses sure are short....
 
Risus
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

^--- i saw that very same quote in the comments section on ctv... Was that you?

Nope. Others have the same opinion of the party...
 
Risus
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one View Post

You mean set priorities and deal with as many issues as possible in the time alloted starting with the most important ones first?

Personally I don't think a name change is as important as climate change and the environment, sustainable energy, gender violence, foreign aid, immigration policy and first nations land claims.

Are you referring to handing out out tax dollars to every tom, jane and low life in the country and elsewhere?
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Risus View Post

Are you referring to handing out out tax dollars to every tom, jane and low life in the country and elsewhere?

Their are already two federal parties who practice that regularly, why would a third bother you?
 
earth_as_one
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Risus View Post

Quote:

Quoting earth_as_one You mean set priorities and deal with as many issues as possible in the time alloted starting with the most important ones first?

Personally I don't think a name change is as important as climate change and the environment, sustainable energy, gender violence, foreign aid, immigration policy and first nations land claims.

Are you referring to handing out out tax dollars to every tom, jane and low life in the country and elsewhere?

No I was referring to NDP deciding their policies regarding the environment, sustainable energy, gender violence, foreign aid, immigration policy and first nations land claims.

Your question was like "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" It wasn't so much a question as misleading and manipulative statement.
 
Trex
#23
Layton is soft in the head.

The average Canadian views the NDP as completely unelectable and incompetent to govern.
The Dippers will be forever bannished to the fringes from where they can endlessly bleat and whine.
They continue to represent the will of small vested interest groups and are unable to make the leap towards representing the rank and file.
So sad, too bad.

Trex
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#24
Layton is soft in the head, however the capitalist pigs do not have forever to repair their badly leaking and badly stinking old garbage barge of a boat. Socialism will rise capitalist will go extinct the natural way and the state subsidized sun will shine in perpetuity.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#25
Laymton is just soft in the head. The guy's a smarmy wannabe. He does seem to have a backbone at times, though.
 
Trex
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Layton is soft in the head, however the capitalist pigs do not have forever to repair their badly leaking and badly stinking old garbage barge of a boat. Socialism will rise capitalist will go extinct the natural way and the state subsidized sun will shine in perpetuity.

So now that the Russians and Chinese are busily embracing the evils of capitalism whom do you suggest we model ourselves after in our quest to become a true workers paradice?

North Korea?
Cuba?

Or perhaps you feel we should reinvent the wheel and throw ourselves upon the mercies of some local wingnut?

Don't hold your breath DB.

Trex
 
coldstream
#27
Layton, the whole NDP, have severed all relationships with the Social Democratic, Progressive movement of the first half of the 20th Century. They are inundated with Post Structural, New Age spirituality in the guise of

1. radical pagan environmentalism.. and its frauds of AGW, and solutions of Cap and Trade.. disastrous and disassembling to any industrial and advanced agricultural economy.

2. of homosexual affirmation, abortion, embryonic stem cell research.. all in the lies of supporting 'human rights'.. and utterly corrosive to working families, individuals and society in general. We have nurtured a pevasive culture of death and deep pessimism.

At the same time they have lost all coherence and integrity in opposing predatory Free Market Capitalism.. Free Trade, Monetarism, deregulation, privatization of critical infrastructure, unfettered usery, regressive taxation.

That has sabotaged the economic environment supporting a responsible, National, entrepreneurial, free enterprise system that the country was built on and which produced the greatest growth of equitably shared wealth (particularly between 1946 and 1971)... and replaced it with an economic culture ruled by the law of the jungle, and opened our country for looting by an oligarchic global, utterly amoral, investment organism.
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DurkaDurka
No Party Affiliation
#28
Layton is just like the rest of them, the only thing that distinguishes him from the other leaders is his uncanny resemblance to the Monopoly Man and a pornstar moustache.
 
DurkaDurka
No Party Affiliation
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

ced agricultural economy.

2. of homosexual affirmation, abortion, embryonic stem cell research.. all in the lies of supporting 'human rights.. and utterly corrosive to working families, individuals and society in general. We have nurtured a pevasive culture of death and deep pessimism.

How does supporting human rights cause corrosion to working families, individuals etc? Your desired-idealistic view of society through your leave it to beaver monocle has passed thankfully.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#30
Are Russia and China really embracing the same form of capitalism we see going down the tubes right now? If so their destination will be the same, only the speed of decline will be faster by far. Capitalist efficiency leads to social decline. Your wheel analogy is interesting, capitalism always revolves through busts and booms in a great circle that represents its lack of direction like the lost thing it is. We have lived and died at the mercy of the overclass for a very long time, there we find all manner of wingnuts in legion. I assume that you work Trex. What's wrong with a parradice for workers? Why don't you want to share the land? Point me to a capitalist social success story, just one and just capitalist.
 

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