Gun Control is Completely Useless.


Hoid
#11011
I remember when the canadian armed forces "decided" to become anti submarine warfare experts.

it resulted in tremendous waste.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#11012
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I remember when the canadian armed forces "decided" to become anti submarine warfare experts.
it resulted in tremendous waste.

They "decided" to become an anti-submarine specialist in 1940 at the beginning of the Battle of the Atlantic and the RCN took over the antisbmarine escorts for the entire Western Atlantic at the beginning of 1942 when the US Navy completely withdrew from the Atlantic after Pearl Harbor.

Whatever version that you remember is just plain wrong.
 
Hoid
#11013
We were not integrated into the US forces until well after the war.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#11014
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

We were not integrated into the US forces until well after the war.

Absolutely right ... except, at the beginning of the 2nd World War, the RCN escorts on this side of the Atlantc were under command of the US Navy for a short time early in the War.
 
Hoid
#11015
There's a big difference between being under someone's command and being integrated into a multi national force.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#11016
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

There's a big difference between being under someone's command and being integrated into a multi national force.

That didn't happen until the Frigates came along in the 90s because it couldn't. The previous two generations of DDH and DDE destroyers did not have the same communications and control integration with US ships as they do not.

Prior to our being integrated into US fleets, we were integrated into RN fleets. If we had a bigger, more capable navy, we would be our own bosses. The same goes for the rest of our forces.
 
Hoid
#11017
The Aurora's were made to be integrated into US operations.

Same computers.

SO they were integrated at the planning stage.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#11018
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The Aurora's were made to be integrated into US operations.
Same computers.
SO they were integrated at the planning stage.

... same vintage ...
 
Colpy
Conservative
#11019
This is what it would look like if Canada banned all handguns

If history is any guide, Canadians could keep their handguns but wouldn't be allowed to buy any more

An unidentified man holds a Colt .45 semi-automatic pistol in Manassas, Virginia, 22 July, 2007.AFP PHOTO/Karen BLEIER/FILES

Tristin Hopper



September 5, 2018
At the end of last month it emerged that Bill Blair, the new minister of organized crime reduction, had been tasked by the Liberal government with examining a “full ban on handguns and assault weapons in Canada.” This follows weeks of calls from both Toronto and Montreal for a total handgun ban.
Handguns are indeed the primary weapon behind a well-publicized surge in Toronto gun violence. There are also more than one million Canadian handguns legally held in private hands, the vast majority of which will spend their entire lives cutting tiny holes in paper targets.
Canadian handgun bans have been proposed before, most notably by then prime minister Paul Martin in 2005. But what would it look like if a Canadian government ever did it for real?
Existing handguns would probably be grandfathered in
Canada bans guns relatively frequently. In 1998, the same federal law that introduced the gun registry also banned pistols with a muzzle length of less than 4.1 inches (105 mm). The RCMP also has unilateral power to immediately ban the sale of any firearm for any reason, such as in 2014
when it did so with a semi-automatic rifle called the Swiss Arms Classic Green, or in February when it did so with the CZ Bren. In all those cases, guns are simply reclassified as being “prohibited,” which means that they were banned for sale or import, but could still be possessed by people who already owned them. There are countries, most notably Australia, that have accompanied gun bans with massive government buyback schemes to immediately clear a class of firearms from the private market. But Canada almost always takes the less-controversial “grandfathering” route. Thus, if the federal government ever engineered a total handgun ban, the likely result is that handguns would disappear from store shelves while existing handgun owners would be able to hold on to their collections. As an example take the Walther PPK, the pistol famous as James Bond’s preferred sidearm. It was reclassified as prohibited by the 1998 ban on short-muzzled pistols, but any Canadian who was already registered to own a PPK was permitted to keep it. Now, when a Canadian PPK owner dies, the pistol must either be sold to someone else with a pre-1998 licence — or be surrendered to law enforcement for destruction. A Walther PPK, effectively banned in Canada unless you owned one before 1998. File A ban wouldn’t make it any more or less illegal to carry a gun around
In the United States, municipal handgun bans have occasionally been proposed as an easy way to spot and bust armed criminals. With open or concealed carry legal across much of the United States, it’s difficult for American police to immediately determine if a man with a gun is simply an armed citizen or a criminal. But Canadian police don’t have that problem: Any handgun is a “restricted” firearm, which subjects it to way tougher rules than for a standard hunting rifle. The only legal place to fire a handgun in Canada is on a registered range — and the gun can’t be transported to the range unless it’s unloaded, fitted with a trigger lock and the owner has been granted an “Authorization to Transport” by the RCMP. Thus, ban or no ban, anybody walking around a Canadian city with a handgun on them is almost always a certifiable criminal. And if a gun owner so much as brings a pistol along on a hunting trip, they could be risking the seizure of their entire gun collection.
Story continues below


This is all very illegal in Canada. Photo by Erich Schlegel/Getty Images It would probably stop Canadian-origin handguns from being used in crimes
Right now, a criminal somewhere is carrying a firearm that began life in a Canadian gun shop. In 2017, Toronto Police numbers show that of 726 crime guns seized, 148 were “domestically sourced.” One of the going methods is that a criminal gang finds someone with a clean record to take a firearms safety course and acquire a gun possession licence. That person then buys up a small arsenal and has it “accidentally” cleaned out in a break-in. This particular loophole would obviously disappear in a Canada without retail sales of pistols. However, it’s reasonable to assume that smuggled U.S. guns could quickly flood any gap in the black market. A 2008 study commissioned by the Government of British Columbia found that the “vast majority” of the province’s guns were coming from just across the border in Washington State.
Crime could well be unaffected
Mike McCormack, president of the Toronto Police Association, is a vocal opponent of the recent push for a handgun ban, saying last week that it would have “no impact.” McCormack isn’t a gun nut by any means; he told the National Post he’s “not against banning or prohibiting firearms in a way that’s going to impact public safety.” But when most of Toronto’s shootings are obviously gang-related, McCormack said the more immediate and effective strategy is more preventive police paired with programs to steer youth out of gangs. “We can ban handguns for any number of reasons,” added Christian Leuprecht, a crime policy researcher at both Queen’s University and Royal Military College, “but if we think it’s going to do anything about the violence then it’s not the policy measure to implement.”
If it did drive down crime, it could take a while
In 1997, in response to the massacre of 16 children at a Scottish primary school, the U.K. effectively banned private ownership of firearms. The next year, crimes involving guns went up — and continued going up for the rest of the decade. In 1997/1998, there were 12,805 offences in England and Wales involving a firearm. By 2001/2002, it was up to 22,401. “The short-term impact strongly suggests that there is no direct link between the unlawful use of handguns and their lawful ownership,” read a 2001 report from the Centre for Defence Studies at King’s College, London. Fortunately, the long-term rate of British gun crime did eventually go down, with handgun crime now sitting at roughly half what it once was. One particularly promising sign in recent years is that British criminals keep getting caught with antique firearms, such as the Sussex drug dealer arrested in 2014 with a Victorian-era revolver. These are not the actions of criminals with easy access to guns. Meanwhile, the textbook example of a gun ban gone wrong is in Venezuela. The country banned all private ownership of guns in 2012, only to see homicides continue to climb — particularly after the country’s economy began to completely unravel starting in 2015.
Cracking down on illegal firearms is always a little tricky when history’s largest weapons market is next door
Speaking of the U.K., it’s often cited alongside with Australia as a success story in gun control. Both those countries are also islands with famously strict border control policies. Canada, by contrast, shares a very long and very porous border with the most gun-saturated country in the history of human civilization. “All that’s going to happen is a displacement effect where we’re going to see more guns coming across the border,” said Leuprecht, who has studied U.S.-Canadian gun smuggling pipelines. He said a standard method of cross-border smuggling is to fill up a box with guns, equip it with a GPS tracker and strap it to the bottom of a car with a Canadian licence plate parked near the U.S. border. Then, once the unwitting Canadian drives home, criminals follow the GPS and snatch the box from their driveway. “It is so easy to bring guns into this country,” Leuprecht said. The problem of U.S. guns is particularly well-known to Mexico. Famously, the country’s sole gun store is located on a heavily guarded military base and can only be entered by citizens who have passed a detailed background check. Despite this, with as many as 250,000 U.S. guns crossing the Mexican border annually, criminal gangs have had no trouble arming themselves for the country’s bloody years-long drug war.


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...Mji-pTSuM2DKVE
 
JamesBondo
+3
#11020
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

A lifelong hunter who finally got the chance to hunt Human?
I'll bet that HE'S pumped!


The hunter didn't hunt human, it was the criminal that he stopped that was the predator.

The hunter merely used his civic rights to save the life of a law enforcement officer.

You clearly need to work on your reading skills.
Perhaps you understand but you have a problem with that?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#11021
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

The hunter didn't hunt human, it was the criminal that he stopped that was the predator.
The hunter merely used his civic rights to save the life of a law enforcement officer.
You clearly need to work on your reading skills.
Perhaps you understand but you have a problem with that?

If he shot and killed another human being like that in this country, a court might find him to be a criminal.
 
Hoid
#11022
Unless he shot an indian
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
-1
#11023
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Unless he shot an indian

... in a province run by whites ...
 
Hoid
#11024
Interesting to look at Canadian gun stats since Harper scrapped the long gun registry.

Amazing increase in gun violence.

Coincidence?
 
Hoid
#11025
On the never-ending prattling about gun laws not being effective - the truth is that in fact gun laws work.

"There was a study, for example, published in a very well-respected epidemiological journal in 2016 by researchers that did a survey of 130 different studies about the effectiveness of different types of gun control restrictions," said Lee.

"One of the core findings that they came away with was that gun bans tend to have a very good effect in terms of reducing gun violence rates. So this is not political posturing. This is social science at work. This is researchers surveying 130 peer-reviewed articles and coming away with this conclusion."

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayed...nada-1.4832326
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#11026
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

On the never-ending prattling about gun laws not being effective - the truth is that in fact gun laws work.

"There was a study, for example, published in a very well-respected epidemiological journal in 2016 by researchers that did a survey of 130 different studies about the effectiveness of different types of gun control restrictions," said Lee.

"One of the core findings that they came away with was that gun bans tend to have a very good effect in terms of reducing gun violence rates. So this is not political posturing. This is social science at work. This is researchers surveying 130 peer-reviewed articles and coming away with this conclusion."

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayed...nada-1.4832326

Good if we ban guns do the police , customs , conservation officers et al give up theirs . How about armoured vehicle guards or plain personal security are they ok ? And donít forget aboriginals do they not have traditional hunting rights ? How about residents of northern towns like Churchill Manitoba where polar bears roam through town ?
 
Tecumsehsbones
#11027
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

How about residents of northern towns like Churchill Manitoba where polar bears roam through town ?

Give them really top-quality running shoes.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+1
#11028
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

On the never-ending prattling about gun laws not being effective - the truth is that in fact gun laws work.

"There was a study, for example, published in a very well-respected epidemiological journal in 2016 by researchers that did a survey of 130 different studies about the effectiveness of different types of gun control restrictions," said Lee.

"One of the core findings that they came away with was that gun bans tend to have a very good effect in terms of reducing gun violence rates. So this is not political posturing. This is social science at work. This is researchers surveying 130 peer-reviewed articles and coming away with this conclusion."

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayed...nada-1.4832326


........reducing gun violence rates.

The use of this phrase, as always, demonstrates the existence of an anti-gun agenda. It means they are lying.


Now, lets prove it. For comparison, rates of the countries usually under discussion on this thread:


Canada: Licensing, background checks, strict controls. Number 7 in the list of gun owning countries, with 34 guns per 100 people. Murder rate: 1.68 per 100,000. Firearm deaths: 2.05 per 100,000


United States: myriad laws by state, relatively lax. Number 1 in the list of gun owning countries, with 34 guns per 100 people.
Murder rate: 5.35 per 100,000 Firearm deaths: 11.96 per 100,000


Now let us look at the worst countries on earth:


El Salvador: Licensing, background checks, strict. Number 72 in the list of gun owning countries, with 12 guns per 100 people. Murder rate: 82.84 per 100,000. Firearm deaths: 45.6 per 100,000


Honduras: Registration, background checks. Number 55 in the list of gun owning countries, with 14 guns per 100 people.

Murder rate: 56.52 per 100,000. Firearm deaths: 60 per 100,000


Venezuela. Firearm possession banned in 2013. Number 35 in the list of gun owning countries, with 18 guns per 100 people.
Murder rate:56.33 per 100,000 Firearms deaths: 49.22 per 100,000


Jamaica: Licensing, registration, very strict. Number 92 in the list of gun owning countries, with 1 gun per 100 people.Murder rate:47.01 per 100,000 Firearms deaths: 30.72 per 100,000

There's some facts for you. Kinda blows your contention up, doesn't it?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#11029
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Give them really top-quality running shoes.

With spikes for traction .
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#11030
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

........reducing gun violence rates.

The use of this phrase, as always, demonstrates the existence of an anti-gun agenda. It means they are lying.


Now, lets prove it. For comparison, rates of the countries usually under discussion on this thread:


Canada: Licensing, background checks, strict controls. Number 7 in the list of gun owning countries, with 34 guns per 100 people. Murder rate: 1.68 per 100,000. Firearm deaths: 2.05 per 100,000


United States: myriad laws by state, relatively lax. Number 1 in the list of gun owning countries, with 34 guns per 100 people.
Murder rate: 5.35 per 100,000 Firearm deaths: 11.96 per 100,000


Now let us look at the worst countries on earth:


El Salvador: Licensing, background checks, strict. Number 72 in the list of gun owning countries, with 12 guns per 100 people. Murder rate: 82.84 per 100,000. Firearm deaths: 45.6 per 100,000


Honduras: Registration, background checks. Number 55 in the list of gun owning countries, with 14 guns per 100 people.

Murder rate: 56.52 per 100,000. Firearm deaths: 60 per 100,000


Venezuela. Firearm possession banned in 2013. Number 35 in the list of gun owning countries, with 18 guns per 100 people.
Murder rate:56.33 per 100,000 Firearms deaths: 49.22 per 100,000


Jamaica: Licensing, registration, very strict. Number 92 in the list of gun owning countries, with 1 gun per 100 people.Murder rate:47.01 per 100,000 Firearms deaths: 30.72 per 100,000

There's some facts for you. Kinda blows your contention up, doesn't it?

In his eyes it just proves guns are evil .
 
Hoid
#11031
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

........reducing gun violence rates.

The use of this phrase, as always, demonstrates the existence of an anti-gun agenda. It means they are lying.


Now, lets prove it. For comparison, rates of the countries usually under discussion on this thread:


Canada: Licensing, background checks, strict controls. Number 7 in the list of gun owning countries, with 34 guns per 100 people. Murder rate: 1.68 per 100,000. Firearm deaths: 2.05 per 100,000


United States: myriad laws by state, relatively lax. Number 1 in the list of gun owning countries, with 34 guns per 100 people.
Murder rate: 5.35 per 100,000 Firearm deaths: 11.96 per 100,000


Now let us look at the worst countries on earth:


El Salvador: Licensing, background checks, strict. Number 72 in the list of gun owning countries, with 12 guns per 100 people. Murder rate: 82.84 per 100,000. Firearm deaths: 45.6 per 100,000


Honduras: Registration, background checks. Number 55 in the list of gun owning countries, with 14 guns per 100 people.

Murder rate: 56.52 per 100,000. Firearm deaths: 60 per 100,000


Venezuela. Firearm possession banned in 2013. Number 35 in the list of gun owning countries, with 18 guns per 100 people.
Murder rate:56.33 per 100,000 Firearms deaths: 49.22 per 100,000


Jamaica: Licensing, registration, very strict. Number 92 in the list of gun owning countries, with 1 gun per 100 people.Murder rate:47.01 per 100,000 Firearms deaths: 30.72 per 100,000

There's some facts for you. Kinda blows your contention up, doesn't it?

My contention is simply to quote Canada's leading authority on urban violence who is simply saying:

"There was a study, for example, published in a very well-respected epidemiological journal in 2016 by researchers that did a survey of 130 different studies about the effectiveness of different types of gun control restrictions," said Lee.

"One of the core findings that they came away with was that gun bans tend to have a very good effect in terms of reducing gun violence rates. So this is not political posturing. This is social science at work. This is researchers surveying 130 peer-reviewed articles and coming away with this conclusion."

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________

the fact that you think some internet troll can "blow that out of the water" with a handful of garbage stats just illustrates what a dinosaur you are.

Gun control of all kinds works - as you yourself have stated on many occasions - when you aren't stumbling around concocting ridiculous lies.
 
spilledthebeer
#11032
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

You're in good company. . .

In 1785 Thomas Jefferson wrote to his fifteen-year-old nephew, Peter Carr, regarding what he considered the best form of exercise: "... I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprize, and independance to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."

Ah, but I hear them say "It's NECESSARY to ban guns to protect people!" Hmm. . . yes. . . I suppose. . .

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

But. . . but. . . the Second Amendment is out of date! We don't NEED militias anymore! We have the National Guard!

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

Y'all getting the feeling we had this debate before?










HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


the United States Constitution makes reference to a well armed and WELL REGULATED MILITIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So yeah- the National Guard DOES FIT the right to bear arms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



But oh dear- the gang banger protecting his turf from other morons DOES NOT fit the ideal of WELL REGULATED MILITIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Tecumsehsbones
#11033
You are a silly twat.
 
Hoid
#11034
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

In his eyes it just proves guns are evil .

instead of magical?
 
spilledthebeer
#11035
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Absolutely right ... except, at the beginning of the 2nd World War, the RCN escorts on this side of the Atlantc were under command of the US Navy for a short time early in the War.



OH THERE IS ABSOLUTE BULLSH+T FROM NOT SO CURIOUS CDN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The RCN went into WW2 with half a dozen ancient destroyers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cdn military preparation was so limited that Ottawa -in the person of LIE-beral prime minister Mackenzie King simply turned over RCN control to the Royal navy and asked "tell us how we can help????????????????


A BRITISH ADMIRAL RAN things in the western half of the Atlantic until RCN complaints about discrimination against Cdns prompted King to send a CANADIAN to take charge of convoys in western Atlantic in 1943!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Until 1942- Yankee naval activity in Atlantic was limited to signalling RN or RCN whenever they spotted a submarine!!!!!!!!!!!!



King was forced to suck up BIG TIME to the Brits- and to angry Cdns because of his previous grossly ill considered remarks about Hitler!!!!!!!!!!!


In 1936 - King actually travelled to Munich and MET -one on one with Hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


King also met with Winston Churchill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


King then returned to Canada to tell parliament that "Hitler was a dour but basically good man, bringing some much needed hope and discipline to the German people"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


King went on to scorn the idea of wasting time and money building up the Cdn military and he sneered at Winston Churchill as a war monger and rabble rouser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is why so many Cdns and others went to war after hurried training with CRAP WEAPONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In 1936 the British high command recognized that the British Army as then constituted COULD NOT SURVIVE ON A MODERN BATTLE FIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the PANIC STRICKEN POLITICIANS BURIED THE REPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Churchill`s party WAS DUMPED OUT OF OFFICE before anything could be done and the LABOUR PARTY TOOK OVER for the next 3 years - until after the invasion of Poland- at which point Churchill got called up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Labour Party KNEW of the weaknesses in Brit defense and ignored them and instead pursued the fruitless attempts to BRIBE Hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for the Yankees - most of their best naval people got sent off to the Pacific in early 1942!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The slaughter of Yankee cargo ships by German subs IN SIGHT of the Atlantic shore in 1942 got so bad that Germans referred to that slaughter of their enemies as the "happy time"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In 1942 -USN Atlantic Command was so inept they needed escorts of RCN and RN vessels to help them in their HOME WATERS in the early stages of their war!!!!!!!!!!!!


USN was so disorganized that they failed to enforce black outs along the coast -with German navigators using city lights as aids to location!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Things were so bad that Intrepid- Sir William Stephenson - had the unpleasant task of briefing the President regarding the amount of diesel fuel that Yankee Standard Oil Co. was shipping to Vichy French Islands in the CARRIBEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- in many ways - Yankees were so unprepared for war that it took A LONG TIME to persuade them that the huge jump in diesel oil sales to Vichy France was NOT HELPING THE WAR EFFORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That the Vichy French- who had SURRENDERED to Germany were actually FUELING U-boats with Yankee diesel well into 1942!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
#11036
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

You are a silly twat.


And yet you simply CANNOT beat me in an argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!


How sad for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Alright now bonesfor brains................go ahead and splutter out some irrelevant nonsense that will make you feel a little better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But will not disguise the failure of your lame rebuttal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#11037
... and we emerged from the War with the third biggest surface fleet in the World ... which is quite ridiculous for a country of 13 million to sustain and the RCN demobbed faster than the Kriegsmarine did.
 
spilledthebeer
#11038
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

... and we emerged from the War with the third biggest surface fleet in the World ... which is quite ridiculous for a country of 13 million to sustain and the RCN demobbed faster than the Kriegsmarine did.




Well yes- but that crazy man King was in charge and of course NO LIE-beral will ever waste money on the military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If Our idiot Boy Justin gets re-elected in October- then we can be guaranteed he will KILL the contracts for buying ships and fighter planes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals despise the military -always have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Richard Malone was a reporter for the Winnipeg Free Press in 1939- and he was also a 2nd Lieutenant in the Cdn Militia so defense minister Ralston made him his aid and Malone got a good look at the political side of things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In 1941 King was in England and wanted to "review' the troops................but the officers considered that a BAD IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


King was so hated by the military that the officers were afraid to let King get too close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So they arranged for the short and tubby King to be surrounded by very tall officers on the podium and then had the troops pass in review in their vehicles- at HIGH SPEED so they would not be so likely to recognize and react badly to King!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hoid
#11039
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

... and we emerged from the War with the third biggest surface fleet in the World ... which is quite ridiculous for a country of 13 million to sustain and the RCN demobbed faster than the Kriegsmarine did.

that was only because many UK ships were flagged to us for the war and of course Canada commandeered all the civilian shipping for the merchant navy
 
Colpy
Conservative
+1
#11040
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

My contention is simply to quote Canada's leading authority on urban violence who is simply saying:

"There was a study, for example, published in a very well-respected epidemiological journal in 2016 by researchers that did a survey of 130 different studies about the effectiveness of different types of gun control restrictions," said Lee.

"One of the core findings that they came away with was that gun bans tend to have a very good effect in terms of reducing gun violence rates. So this is not political posturing. This is social science at work. This is researchers surveying 130 peer-reviewed articles and coming away with this conclusion."

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________

the fact that you think some internet troll can "blow that out of the water" with a handful of garbage stats just illustrates what a dinosaur you are.

Gun control of all kinds works - as you yourself have stated on many occasions - when you aren't stumbling around concocting ridiculous lies.


He is a Sociology professor, which means he is not an expert on anything. I never took a sociology course in my life, but I made money as an undergraduate writing essays for Sociology students (mostly in business degrees) off the top of my head. It is not a serious discipline.


BTW, yes, they got good marks.


Oh....garbage stats. Fair enough, I forgot to list sources:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estima...ita_by_country


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate


As for the gun laws by country, I just googled "gun laws (country)"