Fed up with Islam Yet???


petros
#601
What is a porcupine?
 
L Gilbert
+3
#602
Yeah, I don't see much difference between Islam (including Sharia law) that wasn't in Catholicism a few hundred years ago. I'm pretty sure things change just like they have before, but it won't take a year or two; it'll take decades at the very least. In the meantime, I refuse to consider an entire religion's population as people to be denigrated, hated, etc. Terrorism has no religion.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

What is a porcupine?

A critter that is apparently quicker at comprehension than you. Bear, too. lol
 
CDNBear
+1
#603
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

What is a porcupine?

You can keep asking irrelevant questions, in a weak attempt to take the conversation away from that facts regarding Islam, to the history of Ukrainians in Canada. Which, although amusing, only highlights the fact that your argument lacks any form of validity, let alone credibility.
 
petros
#604
Google giving you grief?
 
CDNBear
+1
#605
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

In the meantime, I refuse to consider an entire religion's population as people to be denigrated, hated, etc.

No one here is saying anything to the contrary.

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Terrorism has no religion.

True, but some religions use terrorism. One in particular more often than all others. As the facts would indicate.

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Bear, too. lol

Bite me, lol.

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Google giving you grief?

Not at all. I don't need it to know you're talking out your ass again.
 
petros
#606
I'm talking out my ass? I can find it on google and how it relates to a culture, religion, misogyny and changing the rights and freedoms of Canadians like Colpy says Muslims are out to do. Thankfully the porcupines didn't have their way.
 
CDNBear
#607
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I'm talking out my ass?

Yes. Why am I not surprised you didn't get it the first time.
 
petros
+2
#608


WHEN FEMINISTS in the 1970s coined the term 'male chauvinist pig', they were suggesting that some men's misogynist attitudes placed them in a less-than-human category. Little did they know that similar plays on bestial metaphors had been used decades before in the Communist Left to label as 'porcupines' men who displayed a misogynist view of women, preventing them from participating as equals in the communist movement. Porcupinism, a jocular yet provocative term which played on the name of a particularly chauvinist Ukrainian author, became the focus of a heated debate in the late 1920s in the Canadian Ukrainian newspaper Robitnytsia (The Working Woman), 1 as both those who favoured his view of women's political inferiority and those who disagreed used the newspaper to passionately argue their case. Moreover, this spirited discussion about porcupinism emerged from an ethnic milieu perceived by many Canadians, even some on the Left, to be socially backward and uncultured. While some Communist Party leaders labelled Ukrainian female comrades as peasant in background, marginalized by their own culture's patriarchal character, this critique emerged not as much from feminist inclinations as from an Anglo superiority that had deep roots in both Canadian society and within the Party itself. Many Ukrainian Canadian women who read Robitnytsia did come from rural backgrounds, or were initially illiterate, yet a reading of their newspaper, produced for and, occasionally, by them, reveals an early experiment in gender and class consciousness-raising that remained unique in the history of the North American Left.
 
L Gilbert
#609
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

No one here is saying anything to the contrary.

Good.

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True, but some religions use terrorism. One in particular more often than all others. As the facts would indicate.

Some fundies in religions use terrorism, just as some political factions use terrorism, some companies use terrorism, etc.

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Bite me, lol.

 
petros
+1
#610
Oh goodie. You're back!
 
L Gilbert
+1
#611
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post



WHEN FEMINISTS in the 1970s coined the term 'male chauvinist pig', they were suggesting that some men's misogynist attitudes placed them in a less-than-human category. Little did they know that similar plays on bestial metaphors had been used decades before in the Communist Left to label as 'porcupines' men who displayed a misogynist view of women, preventing them from participating as equals in the communist movement. Porcupinism, a jocular yet provocative term which played on the name of a particularly chauvinist Ukrainian author, became the focus of a heated debate in the late 1920s in the Canadian Ukrainian newspaper Robitnytsia (The Working Woman), 1 as both those who favoured his view of women's political inferiority and those who disagreed used the newspaper to passionately argue their case. Moreover, this spirited discussion about porcupinism emerged from an ethnic milieu perceived by many Canadians, even some on the Left, to be socially backward and uncultured. While some Communist Party leaders labelled Ukrainian female comrades as peasant in background, marginalized by their own culture's patriarchal character, this critique emerged not as much from feminist inclinations as from an Anglo superiority that had deep roots in both Canadian society and within the Party itself. Many Ukrainian Canadian women who read Robitnytsia did come from rural backgrounds, or were initially illiterate, yet a reading of their newspaper, produced for and, occasionally, by them, reveals an early experiment in gender and class consciousness-raising that remained unique in the history of the North American Left.

Yeah, Wifey calls them troglodytes: persons characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes
 
petros
#612
Yup and it's a damn good thing they still aren't part of the gift Ukes brought to Canada....The Left!
 
CDNBear
+1
#613
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

....

Geezus, thank you.

Why was that so hard for you to do?

Now, I agree, that is obviously the use of facts, used to malign Ukrainian immigrants.

And I don't wish to negate it in any way, but it was hardly the cannon fodder Islam supplies.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Some fundies in religions use terrorism, just as some political factions use terrorism, some companies use terrorism, etc.

No arguments from me. But again, their is a disproportionate amount, from one group.

I'm not saying we should eradicate Muslims. I'm saying we should be honest about Islam. Which is all I've ever said.

Neat pic, I copied it and sent to the oldest. he likes snakes.
 
L Gilbert
+1
#614
"Left-wing values include the belief in the power of human reason to achieve progress for the benefit of the human race, secularism, sovereignty exercised through the legislature, social justice, and mistrust of strong personal political leadership. To the Right, this is regularly seen as anti-clericalism, unrealistic social reform, doctrinaire socialism and class hatred. They are skeptical about the capacity of radical reforms to achieve human well-being while maintaining workplace competition.
The Right believe in the established church both in itself and as an instrument of social cohesion, and believe in the need for strong political leadership to minimize social and political divisions. To the Left, this is seen as a selfish and reactionary opposition to social justice, a wish to impose doctrinaire religion on the population, and a tendency to authoritarianism and repression." Wiki
However extremes tend to end up alienating most people and what is better is a combination of the two positioned somewhere in the middle.
 
petros
#615
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Geezus, thank you.

Why was that so hard for you to do?

Now, I agree, that is obviously the use of facts, used to malign Ukrainian immigrants.

And I don't wish to negate it in any way, but it was hardly the cannon fodder Islam supplies.

There were plenty of violent acts in fighting for the rights and freedoms we all enjoy in Canada too. Was it a bad thing that we changed Canada? What kind of improvements to Canada, although seemingly foreign and odd can Islam bring to the table?

I'm all for fighting against the Islamic "porcupines".
 
L Gilbert
+1
#616
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

No arguments from me. But again, their is a disproportionate amount, from one group.

I agree:




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I'm not saying we should eradicate Muslims. I'm saying we should be honest about Islam. Which is all I've ever said.

I know. It's what I call an aggressive religion, much like Christianity used to be.

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Neat pic, I copied it and sent to the oldest. he likes snakes.

Yeah, they are interesting critters.
 
CDNBear
#617
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

I agree:

Yes, I've seen the graphs. I love stats, they always provide such humour for those rather dull conversational occasions.

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I know. It's what I call an aggressive religion, much like Christianity used to be.

I'm sure i don't have to point out the key words.

As a Nation, we owe where we are, predominantly to Christianity. It was a long, rough and awkward road. But here we are.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

There were plenty of violent acts in fighting for the rights and freedoms we all enjoy in Canada too.

A hundred plus years ago. Although I fully support war, in some cases. Without extreme justification, there is absolutely no need to use violence to change Canada, from it's present form.
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Was it a bad thing that we changed Canada?

Do you really think asking a native that is appropriate? lol.

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What kind of improvements to Canada, although seemingly foreign and odd can Islam bring to the table?

although I do like the interest free loans. Nothing else comes to mind, from present Islam.
 
L Gilbert
#618
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

There were plenty of violent acts in fighting for the rights and freedoms we all enjoy in Canada too. Was it a bad thing that we changed Canada?

it was for quite a few people.
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What kind of improvements to Canada, although seemingly foreign and odd can Islam bring to the table?

I don't like religions. But Muslims can bring ingenuity, art, science, etc. just the same as any other culture.



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I'm all for fighting against the Islamic "porcupines".

Why just Islamic ones?
 
petros
+2
#619
Over the next 100 years the xenophobia will (hopefully) change to tolerance and then to acceptance just like it did for my culture, religion and political beliefs.
 
CDNBear
#620
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Over the next 100 years the xenophobia will (hopefully) change to tolerance and then to acceptance just like it did for my culture, religion and political beliefs.

How was Ukrainian culture, religion and political belief different from that of Canada's at the time?
 
petros
#621
How was it different from Western Euro and Anglo culture, religious and political beliefs? That's a damn long list Bear.
 
CDNBear
#622
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

How was it different from Western Euro and Anglo culture, religious and political beliefs? That's a damn long list Bear.

I'm interested in how you see it. Or I wouldn't have asked.
 
petros
#623
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

I'm interested in how you see it. Or I wouldn't have asked.

I'll add more after I watch the Alaskan taxidermists do a camel mount.
 
CDNBear
+1
#624
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I'll add more after I watch the Alaskan taxidermists do a camel mount.

There are numerous jokes in that statement!
 
petros
+1
#625
You haven't live until you've seen an Alaskan mount a camel?

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

I'm interested in how you see it. Or I wouldn't have asked.

How I see it (relgion/politcal) or how history played out in Canada and US when Orthodox Christians and Orthodox Jews brought Socialistic ideals to Canada and US from E Europe?
 
CDNBear
#626
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

How I see it (relgion/politcal) or how history played out in Canada and US when Orthodox Christians and Orthodox Jews brought Socialistic ideals to Canada and US from E Europe?

No, the parallel between Islam and Ukrainians.

Apart from misogyny, which you've established, which, because lets face it, Canadians shouldn't have been pointing fingers at anyone, at that point in the game.
 
petros
#627
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

No, the parallel between Islam and Ukrainians.

Apart from misogyny, which you've established, which, because lets face it, Canadians shouldn't have been pointing fingers at anyone, at that point in the game.

The xenophobia of different culture, religions, dress, calendar, and political beliefs of the status quo in Canada at the time is different today how?
 
CDNBear
#628
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

The xenophobia of different culture, religions, dress, calendar, and political beliefs of the status quo in Canada at the time is different today how?

No, the parallel you claimed exists between Ukrainian immigrants and Islam.

All you've shown so far, is a misogynistic attitude, held by some Ukrainians, that oddly enough, was almost perfectly mirrored by the bulk of North America at the time. As I previously mentioned.
 
petros
#629
So the Religions and political movement that scared the **** out of status quo Libs/Cons Catholic/Protestant brought by Ukes is irrelevant? How so?
 
CDNBear
#630
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

So the Religions and political movement that scared the **** out of status quo Libs/Cons Catholic/Protestant brought by Ukes is irrelevant?

Do you believe it is?
 

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