Ontario was right to eliminate electric car subsidies


Bar Sinister
#181
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Of course. If you learn to read I've quoted myself 3 times mentioning necessity of purchasing accessories.

How did you miss all 4?




Really, then why do you continue to make such stupid posts?
 
petros
+3
#182
For some reason they are only stupid to you. How come?
 
Bar Sinister
#183
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Still have to wait 20hr using a trickle charger.

NEXT!




So what you are saying is that when a gasoline powered car runs out of fuel you have to wait 24 hours before you drive to the nearest gas station.
 
Bar Sinister
#184
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

For some reason they are only stupid to you. How come?


Reality isn't really your strong point is it?
 
Liberalman
#185
I am really surprised that Doug Ford did not use the not withstanding law to overturn the court ruling on Tesla
 
pgs
#186
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

I am really surprised that Doug Ford did not use the not withstanding law to overturn the court ruling on Tesla

Why ?
 
Hoid
#187
The notwithstanding can only used for constitutional decisions.

Because the judge determined that the Toronto council thing infringed on people's rights he blocked it, and the notwithstanding clause was used.
 
petros
+2
#188
Is it Constitutional for a Govt to sell a Crown Corporation so it can be taxed and unregulated?

Did Wynne have full approval of the Stakeholders (People of Ontario) to sell Hydro-One?

Was that done in the best interests of the People or was it used as leverage to to get an ideologically driven and pricy tax scam at the Provincial and Federal levels off the ground?

Previous to the sale the Feds received no taxes from the Crown Asset.

Now it does, how convenient is that?
Last edited by petros; Sep 27th, 2018 at 11:47 AM..
 
pgs
#189
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The notwithstanding can only used for constitutional decisions.

Because the judge determined that the Toronto council thing infringed on people's rights he blocked it, and the notwithstanding clause was used.

So, what does that have to do with Tesla ?
 
petros
#190
EcoEvil LLC has a Right to subsidies.
 
MHz
#191
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Still have to wait 20hr using a trickle charger.

NEXT!

Throw one of these puppies on and away ya go, charge on the go.
 
petros
#192
Reality is a drag man. Good luck with that.
 
MHz
#193
You should visit it before you knock it.
 
petros
#194
The keyword in that statement was drag.
 
taxslave
#195
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Throw one of these puppies on and away ya go, charge on the go.

Parked beside a sailboat for about a month had one of them. Kept the whole marina awake some nights.
 
Hoid
#196
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

So, what does that have to do with Tesla ?

it has nothing to do with Tesla - it it why Ford could not use the notwithstanding clause to circumvent the decision in the Tesla case.
 
pgs
+2
#197
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

it has nothing to do with Tesla - it it why Ford could not use the notwithstanding clause to circumvent the decision in the Tesla case.

Why should he ?
 
petros
+1
#198
Liberal entitlements says Coporate Welfare is a Right.

Why else?
 
Hoid
#199
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Why should he ?

he could not because the decision was not based on the constitution it was based on common law.
 
pgs
+2
#200
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

he could not because the decision was not based on the constitution it was based on common law.

Did he try or are you throwing red herring ?
 
Hoid
#201
It was a simple ****ing question.
 
MHz
#202
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Parked beside a sailboat for about a month had one of them. Kept the whole marina awake some nights.

Good reason to install them on all vehicles even if they don't produce power. They aren't that hard to unbolt and a saltwater bathe will see it getting the repairs it needs to have it running quietly again. You could have even dressed up like a Pirate.
 
MHz
#203
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

he could not because the decision was not based on the constitution it was based on common law.

Are you saying the Constitution is based on Admiralty Law. That Law is used to park Common Law through such means as declaring Martial Law so the 'freedom we have' is an illusion at best and a false dream at worst.
 
pgs
+2
#204
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

It was a simple ****ing question.

What question ?
 
taxslave
+1
#205
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Good reason to install them on all vehicles even if they don't produce power. They aren't that hard to unbolt and a saltwater bathe will see it getting the repairs it needs to have it running quietly again. You could have even dressed up like a Pirate.

Nothing wrong with it except it is noisy. Never seen a propeller that isn't noisy when spinning.
 
Cannuck
#206
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Like you the judge is wrong.

Its so cute when lesser intellects think they know more about an issue than those in the profession.
 
MHz
#207
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Nothing wrong with it except it is noisy. Never seen a propeller that isn't noisy when spinning.

Top of the mast. Computer fans probably have the best prop designs as that one looks like it could power a bi-plane.
Does anybody make one that lets the current spin the main prop and it spins just an alternator. Time to recharge, throw out the anchor where there is a current. That would be pretty quiet but not practical in the harbor where the demand should be you plug into the supplied 110AC.
My 2nd point is why was there not a solution by the 2nd night if you are part of a group that can still think on their feet?
 
MHz
#208
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

Its so cute when lesser intellects think they know more about an issue than those in the profession.

There are no experts on the subject of the megaliths in general. Other than they all deny everything about their size and location and true age.
 
Twin_Moose
#209
By getting rid of the subsidies China is now setting up shop

Chinese electric cars are coming to Canada , but you can't have one yet: Don Pittis

Quote:

The Chinese are coming. After years of predictions that made-in-China electric-car technology was poised to dominate the global market, the country's battery-powered cars will be driving on Canadian streets in a few months' time.
To anyone already shopping for an electric vehicle, it's not a surprise that consumers can't easily opt for one as their next family car.
Despite attempts by various levels of government to encourage us to go electric and a sharp rise in annual sales, even familiar brands of battery-powered vehicles, such as Tesla and Nissan Leaf, and plug-in hybrids, like Toyota Prius and Chevy Volt, can't seem to keep up with demand.
But that's not the reason you won't be able to get your hands on a car built by Chinese automaker BYD — the company best known in investment circles for its famous North American shareholder, Warren Buffet, who, along with his Berkshire Hathaway holding company, is BYD's biggest private-sector investor.
It's because the car in question — the BYD E6, pictured above — is currently being adapted to Canadian safety and charging standards.
But a fleet of E6s should be operating as taxis in Montreal in the new year, according to Martin Archambault, of the Quebec Electric Vehicle Association (AVEQ).
"They're starting a new electric-car taxi company," said Archambault. "Only using BYD cars."
While we have yet to see its vehicles on North American lots, China is on its way to becoming the Detroit of the battery-powered automobile industry, according to engineer and electric car expert Matthew Klippenstein.
In addition to supplying its own enormous domestic market, Chinese electric cars are about to spread around the world.
And just as North American carmakers were caught unprepared, losing out to Japanese and European brands when the oil crisis of the 1970s led a rush to smaller, cheaper cars, Klippenstein says there is a danger of history repeating itself with electrics.
Cheap forever
"American manufacturers … got used to making big, huge boats," he said. "They thought oil was going to be cheap forever."
Japanese car companies in particular — including Honda, Toyota and Nissan — filled that gap. And despite cars that initially suffered from what Klippenstein calls "horrendous" quality defects, those errors were quickly overcome.
"They got a foothold, they got a loyal customer base, and grew from there," he said.
The quality of some Chinese-produced batteries has been roundly criticized in recent years. And Klippenstein says the safety standards of many Chinese-made cars may not yet be up to European and North American standards.
Still, their lower cost has already given them an advantage in developing markets, including Indonesia and Brazil, he says, at price levels where North American and European manufacturers have trouble competing.
One of those price advantages comes from the fact that North American carmakers pays for the cost of its research based on much smaller sales, whereas China can spread that cost over an enormous volume of domestic sales.
Canadians may right now scoff at Chinese manufacturing quality — but we also scoffed at the quality of the first Korean car sold in this country: the Pony.
That was quick to change as Hyundai proved itself by improving quality while keeping costs low. And older Canadians will remember a time when "Made in Japan" was not the recommendation it often is today.
Payback time
Price, of course, is an important consideration.
Even though most calculations show that an electric vehicle's lower running costs — electricity being cheaper than gas, and the maintenance less costly — pays back the higher purchase price within four years, the price of North American electric cars has so far been a barrier to sales.
You may already be driving a car containing Chinese technology without even realizing it, according to David Adams, president of the Global Automakers of Canada, an industry group that represents car brands outside the Detroit Three.
"That's what's happening with a lot of the Volvos that are being made in China right now and being put into the Canadian market," said Adams.
Volvo, the Swedish brand that is widely known for its safety, has been owned by Chinese car company Geely since 2010. To maintain quality in the luxury marque, Geely is using Korean-designed LG batteries made in China.
Volvo has promised to offer electric versions of all its cars by 2019. And as it moves toward that target, its best practices will be shared by its Chinese parent.
So long as North American-made electric vehicle prices stay high, the six per cent tariff on imported electric cars from China will be manageable, if they can keep their costs down.
Expanding Chinese footprint
Ted Dowling, BYD's vice-president for Canada, says he can't talk about when his company's cars will be available to the public in this country.
But BYD is expanding its footprint here. The company already has contracts to sell its all-electric buses in several places in Canada, including to the Toronto Transit Commission and to a Vancouver-based sightseeing operation.
The TTC deal is still on despite the change in government at Queen's Park, Dowling says. And plans for a Canadian assembly facility are underway, he says, but he can't say where yet.
As for the BYD vehicles heading to Montreal, Dowling calls it "the best-selling electric taxi in the world."
The vehicle's battery pack should last a full day of Montreal driving, he says, and while the purchase price is high, as with other vehicles made for use as taxis, maintenance costs will be much lower.
Plus, Dowling notes, the payback rate for heavily used electric vehicles — including taxis, buses and trucks — is much faster than for consumer cars simply because they are on the road for so many hours a day.
And his thoughts on the quality of Chinese-built cars? He says he's driven them, they're good and he can't wait until they reach the Canadian consumer market.
"If you look at the new cars that BYD is building now, they're just as good as anything else that's on the road today," said Dowling. "I want to drive one here."
But, of course, that's what you'd expect him to say.

 
MHz
#210
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

By getting rid of the subsidies China is now setting up shop

Chinese electric cars are coming to Canada , but you can't have one yet: Don Pittis

What part of that is surprising you?