Gun Control is Completely Useless.


Tecumsehsbones
#9841
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Only you get a laugh out of drowning chldren

Preferably in their own blood.

The weird thing is that this hate-filled old man considers himself a Christian.
 
bluebyrd35
No Party Affiliation
#9842
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Child drownings dramatically increase with lifeguards blaming parents’ obsession with smartphones
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/702871...blame-parents/

Gotta ban pools and phones and parents.



Doesn’t matter cuz it makes the progs feel good.

Well the drownings of children in Canadian pools is very, low. The average age of the drownings in Canada is, I believe 44 and those are mostly in other bodies of water NOT swimming pools.

Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

How is this going to stop one bullet?

Dumb It is about controlling tracking the stolen guns and finding ways of keeping them out of the hands of the criminal elements
 
JamesBondo
#9843
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

Well the drownings of children in Canadian pools is very, low. The average age of the drownings in Canada is, I believe 44 and those are mostly in other bodies of water NOT

Did you just make that up?


It is 570 children in 10 years, and 34% happen in private pools or family cottage. the next largest location is 15%.

All totally preventable.
 
MHz
#9844
Quads on long weekends will get them when they are 44 years old.
 
JamesBondo
+1
#9845
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35 View Post

It is about controlling tracking the stolen guns and finding ways of keeping them out of the hands of the criminal elements

  • a serial number in a database doesn't control anything

    a registration system is a snap shot of information, it is not a real time tracking system and will not be able to track stolen guns

    I'm all for finding ways to keep firearms out of the hands of criminal elements, but it is not good enough. If all we do is go after the guns then we become another london. In case you are unaware, London has a higher murder rate than New York, gun laws aren't working there.

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DaSleeper
#9846
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

  • a serial number in a database doesn't control anything

    a registration system is a snap shot of information, it is not a real time tracking system and will not be able to track stolen guns

    I'm all for finding ways to keep firearms out of the hands of criminal elements, but it is not good enough. If all we do is go after the guns then we become another london. In case you are unaware, London has a higher murder rate than New York, gun laws aren't working there.

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Registered Serial numbers are only good for proving you are the rightfull owner of an article or property wether it is a bicycle a car or a firearm.... period.
Anything more is an infrigement on privacy rights!
 
JamesBondo
#9847
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Registered Serial numbers are only good for proving you are the rightfull owner of an article or property wether it is a bicycle a car or a firearm.... period.
Anything more is an infrigement on privacy rights!

Just like many other things that I own, registration is not a necessary means of showing ownership.

I already have a receipt showing that I bought it, but even if I didn't - posession is 9/10ths of the law and the firearm is not listed as stolen so clearly it is mine.
 
MHz
#9848
How about a 'low voltage taser' with a hand crank , barrel about the size of a flare-gun and a range of 25ft. (8M). Replace lead with chalk and you can empty a clip and the bruises. A derringer powered by rounds for a starting pistol and the chalk projectile that gets loaded like a musket. Designer colors so you can identify the attacker after shooting them in the face at close range.

That is a vital part of the 'desire to quit' part of being shot by the victim.
 
Hoid
#9849
Mother of Parkland school victim wins seat on school board

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/02/64366...l-kids-are-saf

This is how change occurs.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#9850
Handgun ban would have 'no impact,' police union head warns
 
petros
+1
#9851
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Mother of Parkland school victim wins seat on school board
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/02/64366...l-kids-are-saf
This is how change occurs.

Same can be said about protesters and Evil Corp LLC. If a protestor buys just one share, they have the ability to attend shareholder meetings, speak their mind and vote on the future direction of the Corporation.
Last edited by petros; Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:05 AM..
 
White_Unifier
#9852
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Handgun ban would have 'no impact,' police union head warns

compulsory firearm registration probably would though. It might not end all crimes, but would at least make it more difficult to procure a firearm not registered under their name. Just the fact that it would make it more difficult would at least reduce the occurrence of such crimes, which would already be a great benefit. Unfortunately, we're too quick to dismiss any policy that's not absolutely perfect, no matter how effective it might be. Based on that argument, we should decriminalize murder too since obviously our present murder laws aren't perfect anyway, right?
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#9853
Quote: Originally Posted by RomSpaceKnight View Post

So we shoud only have gun contol in urban areas but predominately rural areas you can own whatever gun you choose to?
So only rich people should own guns but poor immigrants should not be allowed to own guns?
Is you life in so much danger you feel you need to own a handgun?
Do you feel there is a chance that our goverment may turn into a totalitarian system and that we need to bear arms to ensure a free democracy?
Have you tried to get a motorcycle license and seen the hops you have to jump through (actually pylons you gotta drive around)?
Bureaucratic bumbling and cost overuns are a fact of life in Canadian politics. Is the idea of a gun registry so abhorrent to you?
Picking and choosing what states to quote for stats is, In my opinion, incorrect. A simple look at the US and divide by 10 (population ratios) works for me. The 3 provinces and state you picked do not have large urban areas like Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal. 3 cities have a huge proportion of the Canadian population. St. Johns NB is a peaceful backwater local in comparison. Not all of us live in idealic small towns. I grew up in a small town that had not had a murder in 50 years.




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The same LIE-berals who give us numbers on spousal abuse to make it look like an epidemic are also at work to make gun ownership look utterly shameful!!

In her book "Who Stole Feminism", Yankee writer Christina Hoff- Sumers quotes feminazis as saying that 40 percent on women in hospitals are there for medical aid after suffering spousal abuse!

Hoff- Summers reveals the LIES!!!!!!!!!!!

Firstly- that 40 percent number ONLY APPLIES to women living in the most violent and vicious Yankee ghettos- it IS NOT related to anything that happens in middle class families!!!!!!!!

Secondly- LIARS OMIT the awkward fact that 38 percent of men seeking medical aid in those extreme ghetto hospitals are ALSO THERE DUE TO SPOUSAL ABUSE!!!!!!!!

Drunken goof slaps wife when he gets home..........and she WAITS .......till he is asleep and then slaps HIM with a frying pan!!!!!!!!!!!!

To suggest- as LIE-berals and their radical supporters do- that middle class people live like that AND DISRESPECT EACH OTHER THAT BADLY is a colossal lie!

And LIE-berals ARE PREPARED TO lie JUST AS THOROUGHLY about crime and gun control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are so desperate to buy votes at any price they are prepared to MANGLE the truth- just so long as their supply of Gravy is SAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#9854
Remember this LIE-beral shopper?

"He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers." - Vic Teows
 
JamesBondo
+1
#9855
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

compulsory firearm registration probably would though. It might not end all crimes, but would at least make it more difficult to procure a firearm not registered under their name. Just the fact that it would make it more difficult would at least reduce the occurrence of such crimes, which would already be a great benefit. Unfortunately, we're too quick to dismiss any policy that's not absolutely perfect, no matter how effective it might be. Based on that argument, we should decriminalize murder too since obviously our present murder laws aren't perfect anyway, right?

how well is this working in London? I hear their gun free utopia has a higher murder rate than New York. Canada is better off not to copy London.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#9856
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

compulsory firearm registration probably would though. It might not end all crimes, but would at least make it more difficult to procure a firearm not registered under their name. Just the fact that it would make it more difficult would at least reduce the occurrence of such crimes, which would already be a great benefit. Unfortunately, we're too quick to dismiss any policy that's not absolutely perfect, no matter how effective it might be. Based on that argument, we should decriminalize murder too since obviously our present murder laws aren't perfect anyway, right?


So how do you force register firearms where owners of the firearm don't want anybody to know they have one? If they figured out who owns illegal firearms wouldn't you think they would confiscate it rather than register it?
 
White_Unifier
#9857
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

So how do you force register firearms where owners of the firearm don't want anybody to know they have one? If they figured out who owns illegal firearms wouldn't you think they would confiscate it rather than register it?

Again, we're going back to this idea that the law must be perfect or bust. Supposing we had a grandfather clause, meaning that any firearm that is manufactured more than one year after the new law is passed must register the buyer and any buyer must likewise register the new owner when he sells it and on down the line.

Of course criminals would then just buy the older guns to get around this, and a well-made gun could probably be used for a century or more before wear and tear puts an end to it. A savvy criminal could probably build his own gun. But at least as time goes buy, through attrition, it would become at least somewhat more difficult to acquire an unregistered gun over time. Again, just like our murder and theft laws, it wouldn't be perfect, and just like our murder laws, its imperfection is not in itself a reason to dump it.
 
Hoid
#9858
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

So how do you force register firearms where owners of the firearm don't want anybody to know they have one? If they figured out who owns illegal firearms wouldn't you think they would confiscate it rather than register it?

this is the very reason that the same police union wanted to keep the long gun registry.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#9859
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Again, we're going back to this idea that the law must be perfect or bust. Supposing we had a grandfather clause, meaning that any firearm that is manufactured more than one year after the new law is passed must register the buyer and any buyer must likewise register the new owner when he sells it and on down the line.
Of course criminals would then just buy the older guns to get around this, and a well-made gun could probably be used for a century or more before wear and tear puts an end to it. A savvy criminal could probably build his own gun. But at least as time goes buy, through attrition, it would become at least somewhat more difficult to acquire an unregistered gun over time. Again, just like our murder and theft laws, it wouldn't be perfect, and just like our murder laws, its imperfection is not in itself a reason to dump it.


By law a used firearm cannot be passed on to somebody without a PAL registered or not.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#9860
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

this is the very reason that the same police union wanted to keep the long gun registry.

The biggest reason they wanted to keep it is they can pull up info whether the home owner has any weapons registered before entering the premises
 
JamesBondo
+1
#9861
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Again, we're going back to this idea that the law must be perfect or bust. Supposing we had a grandfather clause, meaning that any firearm that is manufactured more than one year after the new law is passed must register the buyer and any buyer must likewise register the new owner when he sells it and on down the line.
Of course criminals would then just buy the older guns to get around this, and a well-made gun could probably be used for a century or more before wear and tear puts an end to it. A savvy criminal could probably build his own gun. .

that is a completely misguided view of our canadian rights and freedoms. You should educate yourself on the Oakes test.
The test interprets section 1 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which states that rights are guaranteed, “subject only to such reasonable limits . . . as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.”[2] This means that the government must establish that the benefits of a law outweigh its negative impact—that is, its violation of a Charter right.There are principles of proportionality in play here. You can't burn down the apple orchard becuase someone eats a rotten apple.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#9862
More of this will be the best way to help, unfortunately he will only be in jail a couple more months

Montreal man gets 51 months for border gun smuggling

Quote:

BURLINGTON, Vt. - A Montreal man has been sentenced to 51 months in prison after he admitted smuggling about 100 handguns into Canada across the Vermont-Quebec border.
Alexis Vlachos appeared in U.S. District Court in Burlington, Vt., on Tuesday.
Vlachos will be given credit for the 43 months he has been in custody since he was arrested in Canada prior to his extradition to the United States.
Vlachos pleaded guilty last January to the smuggling that occurred in 2010 and 2011.
Some of the handguns were left in the bathroom of a library that straddles the border between Derby Line, Vt., and Stanstead, Que.
He also admitted walking across the border with other handguns.
In court, Vlachos apologized for his actions and said his criminal past is behind him.

 
Hoid
#9863
They are also interested in knowing if someone owns 5,000 guns.
 
JamesBondo
+1
#9864
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

By law a used firearm cannot be passed on to somebody without a PAL registered or not.

well, my firearms have never been used to to kill anyone so they are 'new'
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#9865
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+2
#9866
Enough of the FAKENEWS, lets look at REALITY:


Kennesaw, Georgia Violent Crime Rate Tiny Thanks to This Gun Law
https://concealednation.org/2018/04/...-this-gun-law/

...and for the guy above who has never faced an aggressive bear while unarmed

Geez: STAY OUT OF THE BUSH CITY BOI!!!
 
Hoid
-1
#9867
IF a gun law could could reduce violent crime there would be no violent crime.

Try, ffs, to use what little sense god gave you.
 
JamesBondo
+1
#9868
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

IF a gun law could could reduce violent crime there would be no violent crime.
Try, ffs, to use what little sense god gave you.

Maybe not, maybe so. But you are hardly the poster boy for sensible.
 
spilledthebeer
#9869
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Well, except when somebody floats the ol' "the gun went off by itself" defense. Like Gerald Stanley's "hangfire" defense or Maryland cop Christian Albrecht's "the shotgun malfunctioned" defense.


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Hey- t-bones full of hypocrisy- why dont you talk about the loaded sawed off rifle that the friends of Coulton Boushie dropped on the driveway when Stanley confronted them with his pistol??????????????


And this is exactly why ALL LIE-beral policy is FAILING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LYING about facts will NOT get LIE-berals reelected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nor will LIES earn natives the twisted and poisoned version of justice they seek!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JamesBondo
#9870
Instruction to Committee on Bill C-71

Routine Proceedings
June 4th, 2018 / 7:55 p.m.
Liberal

Mark Holland Ajax, ON
What thugs do is to make sure they are able to keep weapons in their car and not have to answer any questions. That is what they are going to do. They are going to put the weapons in the car and drive wherever they go. They know that if they are pulled over by a police officer, all they have to do is list one of a million different places to explain where they are going. That is what this legislation changes.

https://openparliament.ca/debates/20...ark-holland-2/