Gun Control is Completely Useless.


JLM
No Party Affiliation
#9301
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

A scout leader carries a first aid kit. its called being prepared for the worse.


I might be missing something, but I've never heard of a first aid kit killing anybody.
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#9302
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Read the Constitution of the United States.


No, we need much less restriction in Canada. Background checks, training and subsequent licensing are good enough. All the rest is bullshyte. And now the Liberal gov't is playing the same tune again.....useless, ineffective, unrealistic, and oppressive regulations in a new bill, Bill C-71, known as FOHA. (The Firearms Owners' Harassment Act).


I guess you are going to have to show me where in the US Constitution that private citizens have a right to own firearms without any training as to how to use those weapons or any checks into their backgrounds. I'm betting you can't since there is no such clause. But there is a clause that says something about a A well regulated Militia.

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

You're an idiot, but I'm being redundant.


If "horrendous" means a murder rate 20% below the world average, then you're right.


And I have never advocated for an American style system. If you could phucking read, you'd know that. Background checks, safety training, and licensing are all that is necessary, but that is much more than most US states.


And I would advise you to look up "Darwinian".


I would say he is talking about the murder rate in other democracies. Just how does the US compare? I do realize you can always find some disfunctional dictatorship with a higher murder rate, but let's compare apples to apples shall we?
 
Colpy
Conservative
+1
#9303
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

I guess you are going to have to show me where in the US Constitution that private citizens have a right to own firearms without any training as to how to use those weapons or any checks into their backgrounds. I'm betting you can't since there is no such clause. But there is a clause that says something about a A well regulated Militia.


Yep.


And anyone competent in the English language understands that the phrase "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," is simply the reason for the declaratory phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed ". It does not modify the declaratory phrase in any way.



As well, the militia is a tool of the state, and common sense would dictate that the rights of the state are not included in a Bill of Rights, which are the principles that defend the individuals from the power of the state. If the Second Amendment guarantees the rights of the state you must interpret "the people" as meaning "the state", and that would totally eviscerate all the individual rights in the Bill of Rights.


Also, ancient documents must be interpreted in the light of what the authors intended. A cursory reading of the writing of Jefferson, Madison et. al. makes it very clear that they intended the American population be armed.



Finally, the people are the militia.



Quote:

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246


Time for the anti-gunners to put that argument to bed. It is very ill.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

I would say he is talking about the murder rate in other democracies. Just how does the US compare? I do realize you can always find some disfunctional dictatorship with a higher murder rate, but let's compare apples to apples shall we?


Murder rates per 100,000 (democratic countries only)



United States: 5.35


Jamaica: 47.01


Belize: 37.6


Brazil: 29.53


Bahamas: 28.4


Mexico: 19.26


Honduras: 56.52


El Salvador: 82.84


Bermuda: 12.98


Philippines: 11.02


Costa Rica: 11.9


Barbados: 10.9


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate


All of which have much stricter gun control, and fewer guns than the USA.


And that is just a sample.



Wanna try again?
 
Hoid
#9304
Wanna try what?

Wanna try to convince a white nationalist climate change denier that America has a problem with guns?

https://www.cantechletter.com/2017/1...united-states/
 
DaSleeper
+2
#9305
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Wanna try what?

Wanna try to convince a white nationalist climate change denier that America has a problem with guns?

https://www.cantechletter.com/2017/1...united-states/

There you go with your tourette syndrome...
Gawd you're dumb!
 
Colpy
Conservative
+1
#9306
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Wanna try what?

Wanna try to convince a white nationalist climate change denier that America has a problem with guns?

https://www.cantechletter.com/2017/1...united-states/


You really shouldn't talk about things you don't understand.


Which would leave you very quiet.


If only.
 
Hoid
+1
#9307
Compares America to Jamaica - does not like people to talk about thing they don't understand.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#9308
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Call him a n -ar .


Poor Hoid- he really has nothing to say- and he says it so badly to!!!!!



Logic and reason are his enemies!


In this he is a typical media type airhead!!!!!!


City tv in Toronto did a piece on Ford and the cancellation of the LIE-beral mouldy green energy scam and they interviewed Jim Warren and he spun a tale of gloom and doom for Ford!!!!!


And the LOONIE LEFTIST LIE-beral loving media interviewer NEVER ONCE MENTIONED THAT WARREN IS A LIE-beral strategist and has worked on campaigns for various LIE-berals including Dalton McGinty and Wynne-bag!!!!


The media FIX is in and they intend to produce grossly slanted anti Ford propaganda!!!!


And LIE-berals wonder why we dont buy their fake news!!!!!!


hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


 
Colpy
Conservative
+2
#9309
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Compares America to Jamaica - does not like people to talk about thing they don't understand.


Bar Sinister said I would say he is talking about the murder rate in other democracies. Just how does the US compare? I do realize you can always find some disfunctional dictatorship with a higher murder rate, but let's compare apples to apples shall we?

Jamaica is a democracy, so it qualifies as an example under Bar Sinister's own parameters, although I expect the goal posts to be running down the field after he reads my reply.

Jamaica has a murder rate of 47.01 per 100,000, almost nine times the US rate of 5.35 per 100,000.

Not only that, Jamaica has gun laws and enforcement that is much stricter than even Canada's............and a violation often results in a sentence of indefinite incarceration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Jamaica

And Jamaica is an island, with easily controlled borders.

The USA has well over twelve times the guns per capita as does Jamaica.

One last thing......Jamaica even has a higher gun death rate than the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate.

So......as usual, you're wrong.

BTW, Mark Twain said It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Advice you should take.
Last edited by Colpy; Jul 14th, 2018 at 11:25 AM..
 
Hoid
#9310
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Bar Sinister said I would say he is talking about the murder rate in other democracies. Just how does the US compare? I do realize you can always find some disfunctional dictatorship with a higher murder rate, but let's compare apples to apples shall we?

Jamaica is a democracy, so it qualifies as an example under Bar Sinister's own parameters, although I expect the goal posts to be running down the field after he reads my reply.

Jamaica has a murder rate of 47.01 per 100,000, almost nine times the US rate of 5.35 per 100,000.

Not only that, Jamaica has gun laws and enforcement that is much stricter than even Canada's............and a violation often results in a sentence of indefinite incarceration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Jamaica

And Jamaica is an island, with easily controlled borders.

The USA has well over twelve times the guns per capita as does the USA.

One last thing......Jamaica even has a higher gun death rate than the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate.

So......as usual, you're wrong.

BTW, Mark Twain said It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Advice you should take.

So you chose to compare America to other democracies that America compares favorably to and think you have arrived at a valid argument.

Compare America to other democracies who have similar levels of wealth.

America is a shit hole country of the western world.

https://eand.co/why-is-america-the-r...y-2d9f0fa084c6
 
DaSleeper
#9311
Question for Colpy:
Why do armored truck driver and guard have one hand resting on their sidearm while carrying bags of cash to or from a bank or store?.


I would like to know if I gave my wife the right answer when she asked me that the other day......
 
JamesBondo
#9312
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Call him a n -ar .

I'm serious. I've reported him to the moderators. I don't understand why they are giving him a pass, they haven't contacted me or provided me with any feedback.

Maybe more than myself is required to get their attention. Please go back and complain when you have time.

Post #9275 . this post is still here and so is Hoid.

I can not think of a valid reason for anyone to want to give Hoid a pass on a racist comment. Please, everyone complain and report his post
 
DaSleeper
+2
#9313
What's wrong with post 9275 besides being stupid, which is normal for Hoid/Waldo.....
 
JamesBondo
#9314
he called the wrong person 'white'.

Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

What's wrong with post 9275 besides being stupid, which is normal for Hoid/Waldo.....

he called the wrong person 'white'. I'm pissed off.
 
DaSleeper
-1
#9315
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

he called the wrong person 'white'.



he called the wrong person 'white'. I'm pissed off.

He called Tecumseh white and he didn't pick up on it?... shame on him
 
Colpy
Conservative
+3
#9316
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Question for Colpy:
Why do armored truck driver and guard have one hand resting on their sidearm while carrying bags of cash to or from a bank or store?.


I would like to know if I gave my wife the right answer when she asked me that the other day......


Actually, they should be holding on to the front of the holster, but not actually have a grip on the firearm. The reason is that in Canada, you can be charged with assault if you get in even a mild disagreement while holding a weapon. Yet with your hand folded over the front of the holster, it is only a twist of the wrist and you are into the draw.


I know, some of the guys actually hold on to the butt. That is not how they are trained.


Back in the day, they used to draw the weapon before they exited the truck, and carry it in their hand. They still do that in the USA.


You need to be ready.
Last edited by Colpy; Jul 14th, 2018 at 06:23 PM..
 
Tecumsehsbones
#9317
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Actually, they should be holding on to the front of the holster, but not actually have a grip on the firearm. The reason is that in Canada, you can be charged with assault if you get in even a mild disagreement while holding a weapon. Yet with your hand folded over the front of the holster, it is only a twist of the wrist and you are into the draw.


I know, most of the guys actually hold on to the butt. That is not how they are trained.

You mean. . . cops and security people often let their laziness and sense of inadequacy override their training?

Say it ain't so, Joe!
 
Colpy
Conservative
#9318
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

You mean. . . cops and security people often let their laziness and sense of inadequacy override their training?

Say it ain't so, Joe!


Yep. Even when I trained them.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#9319
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Yep. Even when I trained them.

Oh, yeah. I remember when we deployed on a security alert, and one of my brighter sparks's magazine fell out of his M-16.

I sent him back inside and told him to "monitor communications."

Can't fix stupid.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+4
#9320
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Oh, yeah. I remember when we deployed on a security alert, and one of my brighter sparks's magazine fell out of his M-16.

I sent him back inside and told him to "monitor communications."

Can't fix stupid.


Confession time.


Once I returned from a full shift when we were still carrying revolvers. With my partner, I walked to the un load barrel, drew my revolver, popped the cylinder open and tipped the barrel up to dump the rounds in my hand. Nothing came out. I had been carrying an empty gun all night. My partner cracked up.



"What's so #$*&*NG funny?!" I demanded.


"The look on your face" he replied.
 
DaSleeper
+3
#9321
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Actually, they should be holding on to the front of the holster, but not actually have a grip on the firearm. The reason is that in Canada, you can be charged with assault if you get in even a mild disagreement while holding a weapon. Yet with your hand folded over the front of the holster, it is only a twist of the wrist and you are into the draw.


I know, some of the guys actually hold on to the butt. That is not how they are trained.


Back in the day, they used to draw the weapon before they exited the truck, and carry it in their hand. They still do that in the USA.


You need to be ready.

That's almost what I told her but I added that it reinforces the mind set that you might have to use that weapon without hesitation....
Because of what happened to me when I started carrying while prospecting
A raven attacked me, and when I realized that the stick I was trying to pick up to beat him off was actually a small tree root stuck in the ground.
After getting properly scratched, I remembered the sidearm I was carrying, and fired off a shot in the air to just scare him because I could also see that it was trying to protect a chick that had fallen out of the nest.
The next time I needed it I was mentally ready and had that ruger out in no time, but luckily never had to fire a shot.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#9322
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Confession time.


Once I returned from a full shift when we were still carrying revolvers. With my partner, I walked to the un load barrel, drew my revolver, popped the cylinder open and tipped the barrel up to dump the rounds in my hand. Nothing came out. I had been carrying an empty gun all night. My partner cracked up.



"What's so #$*&*NG funny?!" I demanded.


"The look on your face" he replied.

That's. . . frickin'. . . HYSTERICAL!
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#9323
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

I'm serious. I've reported him to the moderators. I don't understand why they are giving him a pass, they haven't contacted me or provided me with any feedback.

Maybe more than myself is required to get their attention. Please go back and complain when you have time.

Post #9275 . this post is still here and so is Hoid.

I can not think of a valid reason for anyone to want to give Hoid a pass on a racist comment. Please, everyone complain and report his post


What moderators?
 
JamesBondo
#9324
What public apology?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#9325
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Wanna try what?

Wanna try to convince a white nationalist climate change denier that America has a problem with guns?

https://www.cantechletter.com/2017/1...united-states/

America does not have a problem with guns. It has a problem with lax laws permitting criminals to have guns. Not the same thing.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#9326
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

What moderators?


It has probably been two years since there was a moderator as Putz's longevity should attest to. Spaminator don't give a shit about rules!
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#9327
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

he called the wrong person 'white'.



he called the wrong person 'white'. I'm pissed off.

I been called worse. Once some dipshit called me a socialist.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#9328
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I been called worse. Once some dipshit called me a socialist.

You may find it insulting, but it's true.

Worse, you're a whiny socialist. You lap up the benefits of socialism like a cat on spilt milk then piss and moan whenever anybody else receives the benefits.

Your approach to sociopolitcoeconomics is essentially that of a spoilt five-year-old.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#9329
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

You may find it insulting, but it's true.

Worse, you're a whiny socialist. You lap up the benefits of socialism like a cat on spilt milk then piss and moan whenever anybody else receives the benefits.

Your approach to sociopolitcoeconomics is essentially that of a spoilt five-year-old.

That's bull shit. Taxslave is a worker!
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#9330
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Yep.


And anyone competent in the English language understands that the phrase "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," is simply the reason for the declaratory phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed ". It does not modify the declaratory phrase in any way.



As well, the militia is a tool of the state, and common sense would dictate that the rights of the state are not included in a Bill of Rights, which are the principles that defend the individuals from the power of the state. If the Second Amendment guarantees the rights of the state you must interpret "the people" as meaning "the state", and that would totally eviscerate all the individual rights in the Bill of Rights.


Also, ancient documents must be interpreted in the light of what the authors intended. A cursory reading of the writing of Jefferson, Madison et. al. makes it very clear that they intended the American population be armed.



Finally, the people are the militia.




https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246


Time for the anti-gunners to put that argument to bed. It is very ill.




Murder rates per 100,000 (democratic countries only)



United States: 5.35


Jamaica: 47.01


Belize: 37.6


Brazil: 29.53


Bahamas: 28.4


Mexico: 19.26


Honduras: 56.52


El Salvador: 82.84


Bermuda: 12.98


Philippines: 11.02


Costa Rica: 11.9


Barbados: 10.9


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate


All of which have much stricter gun control, and fewer guns than the USA.


And that is just a sample.



Wanna try again?


Colpy that is such a pathetic effort. Nothing like listing nations with terrible human rights records like Brazil, Honduras, and El Salvador and using them as a basis for comparison to the US. But I guess you have to don't you? Any comparison to nations with a culture similar to that of the US fail miserably. BWT all of the nations you listed do have one thing in common and that is that most of them have experienced an increase in the number of firearms in the country.



And it was nice of you to admit that gun ownership in the US is pretty well unregulated, which was exactly my point.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Compares America to Jamaica - does not like people to talk about thing they don't understand.




He doesn't have a choice. Comparing the US to nations like Canada and those in Western Europe is a no win situation for gun worshippers.