Oregon standoff ends with gunfire and 1 dead.


B00Mer
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Oregon standoff ends with gunfire and 1 dead.



The standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge ended Tuesday with gunfire, leaving one militant dead, one injured and six under arrest after law enforcement stopped them as they drove to a nearby community meeting.

The FBI did not release the name of the person killed, but a Nevada state legislator and the Oregonian identified the deceased as Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, 55, of Canes Bed, Arizona.

Ryan Bundy, 43, of Bunkerville, Nevada, suffered a minor gunshot wound during the highway stop at 4:25 p.m. about 15 miles north of Burns, the Oregonian reported.

In a statement, the FBI said that, “During the arrest, there were shots fired,” and that the Oregon State Police were also involved in the “enforcement action.”

Six men were arrested, including Ryan Bundy and his brother Ammon Bundy, 40, of Emmett, Idaho, who led the Jan. 2 takeover of the wildlife headquarters following a rally on behalf of two ranchers sentenced to five years’ prison for arson.

Also arrested were Ryan W. Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Mont., Brian Cavalier, 44, of Bunkerville, Nevada, and Shawna J. Cox, 59, of Kanab, Utah. A sixth man, Joseph Donald O’Shaughnessy, 45, of Cottonwood, Arizona, was arrested separately in Burns.

All six face federal felony charges of conspiracy to impede U.S. officers from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats.

“One individual who was a subject of a federal probable cause arrest is deceased,” said the FBI statement. “We will not be releasing any information about that person pending identification by the medical examiner’s office.”

Nevada state Assemblywoman Michele Fiore said in a Tuesday night Twitter post that the person killed was Mr. Finicum, a frequent spokesman for the group, which went by the name Citizens for Constitutional Freedom.

Mr. Finicum, who typically wore glasses and a cowboy hat, was interviewed Jan. 6 by MSNBC as he sat outside under a blue tarp with a rifle in his lap, earning the hashtag #Tarpman.

“My heart & [prayers] go out to LaVoy Finicum’s family he was just murdered with his hands up in Burns OR. Ryan Bundy has been shot in the arm,” said Ms. Fiore in a Tweet.

The standoff leaders were reportedly driving on U.S. 395 to a community meeting at the John Day Senior Center in Burns, where they had been scheduled to speak with locals.

The militants, who had held frequent press conferences at the refuge, had called for the release of the two ranchers and for the Obama administration to relinquish control of federal lands to localities.

source: Oregon: 1 dead, Bundy brothers arrested as standoff ends with gunfire - Washington Times
 
Curious Cdn
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Well, that ended badly. I guess that you can't steal public lands after all, no matter how heavily armed you are.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Well, that ended badly. I guess that you can't steal public lands after all, no matter how heavily armed you are.

They weren't heavily armed. And the occupation of Malheur isn't over.

You didn't read the article, did you?
 
Locutus
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Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet

The sordid irony of BLM liberals celebrating the police murder of a man who had his hands up.

http://www.infowars.com/eyewitness-oregon-militiaman-murdered-by-cops-he-had-his-hands-in-the-air/ …

#HandsUpDontShoot
 
bill barilko
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They should have shot them all.
 
personal touch
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Well, that ended badly. I guess that you can't steal public lands after all, no matter how heavily armed you are.

the question is were they armed?
i hope this is not wacko all over again,what a disaster and shameful event wacko was,the killing of women,children,etc and for what.
the teapartyers are just as extreme on their beliefs,as are albertans right now,possibly attention should be put on them.
i listened to a man on cbc tonight,does sound like management is taking the wrong direction on where this is going.

Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko View Post

They should have shot them all.

the cops or what do you mean?
 
Bar Sinister
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What a surprising turn of events. Who would have guessed that a bunch of heavily armed idiots engaged in an illegal activity would come to a bad end?
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

They weren't heavily armed. And the occupation of Malheur isn't over.

You didn't read the article, did you?

No doubt, there is an endless parade of entitled ranchers out there.
 
personal touch
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I wonder about the design of this shooting,
how did the "town hall" meeting come about,I have learnt alot about how "town hall"meeting having significance in the bigger design of prejustices and intentions.
would it be possible the armed what ever they are refering themselves as,could have set the man up,to specifically kill him,that the intentions were from the beginning of the design to murder him,or what ever they want to call it.
how about stopping and agitating him with these intentions,is this possible?
information auditing these questions would be a cake walk,and in the end the discussion of legal murder should be open for conversation.What are legal killings,or possibly in this case "attack with intention"
is it possible individuals who swear to uphold the law,can use the law, to break the law and get away with murder.
I believe the intentions are way beyond what the public knows.
lets start an official "information auditing"conversation,taking the facts and building a perspective of the design,no input is wrong input,what is your theory,on this tragic event.
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

They weren't heavily armed. And the occupation of Malheur isn't over.

You didn't read the article, did you?

Facts only get in his way. Shot in the face while kneeling and hands raised above his head. I'll bet the US is so happy they brought all those SS Stormtroopers from Germany after the war, think of all the 'red tape' they are saving these days.

I'm also pretty sure when you are 'holed up' it doesn't mean tareling many miles to attend a 'town meeting', . . just sayin . . .
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Facts only get in his way. Shot in the face while kneeling and hands raised above his head. I'll bet the US is so happy they brought all those SS Stormtroopers from Germany after the war, think of all the 'red tape' they are saving these days.

Nurse!


Meds for this guy in the next bed!!
 
personal touch
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Facts only get in his way. Shot in the face while kneeling and hands raised above his head. I'll bet the US is so happy they brought all those SS Stormtroopers from Germany after the war, think of all the 'red tape' they are saving these days.

I'm also pretty sure when you are 'holed up' it doesn't mean tareling many miles to attend a 'town meeting', . . just sayin . . .

shot in the face,who?what?what type of derrangement is that,and what type of derangement is to come.
i think i should read more on this case.
 
MHz
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That is the report I first heard, here is the latest place that has a few vids on it.
https://www.rt.com/usa/330526-fbi-vi...ster-shooting/
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko View Post

They should have shot them all.


You think you have enough information to make that determination?
 
bill barilko
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

You think you have enough information to make that determination?

Yes I've met enough US Nazis to know they are vermin-to be extirpated.
 
damngrumpy
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These clowns parade about flaunting the law and they get shot.
Normally I would say the police should be investigated but this
time what took them so long
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by personal touch View Post

i think i should read more on this case.

Say no more, say no more.
Breaking News: LaVoy Finicum Shot w/Hands in the Air! Eye Witness Audio Testimony Here… | PUMABydesign001's Blog
The Ambush and Murder of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum | Free Capitalist Project
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYHdiprw4AA
 
Serryah
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1. His hands were up (but in surrender or to help himself balance in the snow?) but THEN he reached for the 9mm in his pocket/holster. Twice.
2. He ran from a legal traffic stop, the cops have a right to shoot.
3. He was given AMPLE time to turn himself in at the first stop. Instead he basically said EffU to the cops and took off.
4. There were rifles fully loaded in the truck.
5. This jerk got what was coming. Remember, he's the "I have foster kids to give me income/be my slaves on my ranch and they won't take me alive" guy. Death by cop is all this was. Couldn't happen to a worse azzhole.
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by personal touch View Post

i think i should read more on this case.

Good idea....!
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

1. His hands were up (but in surrender or to help himself balance in the snow?) but THEN he reached for the 9mm in his pocket/holster. Twice.

That's what did it.

Quote:

2. He ran from a legal traffic stop, the cops have a right to shoot.

Incorrect. In the U.S., the police cannot use deadly force merely to prevent escape. Tennessee v. Garner.

Quote:

3. He was given AMPLE time to turn himself in at the first stop. Instead he basically said EffU to the cops and took off.
4. There were rifles fully loaded in the truck.

Neither of which is determinative under Tennessee v. Garner.

Quote:

5. This jerk got what was coming. Remember, he's the "I have foster kids to give me income/be my slaves on my ranch and they won't take me alive" guy. Death by cop is all this was. Couldn't happen to a worse azzhole.

The term is "suicide by cop."
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

These clowns parade about flaunting the law and they get shot.
Normally I would say the police should be investigated but this
time what took them so long

You don't even know what the stand-off was about do you?

Money for the elite, like it always is so 'the law' is their hired gun and nothing more in this case.
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personal touch
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Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

1. His hands were up (but in surrender or to help himself balance in the snow?) but THEN he reached for the 9mm in his pocket/holster. Twice.
2. He ran from a legal traffic stop, the cops have a right to shoot.
3. He was given AMPLE time to turn himself in at the first stop. Instead he basically said EffU to the cops and took off.
4. There were rifles fully loaded in the truck.
5. This jerk got what was coming. Remember, he's the "I have foster kids to give me income/be my slaves on my ranch and they won't take me alive" guy. Death by cop is all this was. Couldn't happen to a worse azzhole.

do you think the intentions were in the plan to kill him?what cops like to do is agitate the situation to rationale their behaviour?
what about the town hall meeting,with the neighbours,does anyone know anything about this meeting,this is the best questions the public can ask,or seek answers to determine if their was intent to kill as the only resort.
determining the origins of the town hall meeting will give truths to what was to come.
here in alberta,town hall meetings have led to and have influenced the design of the outcome,this including death,using people is part of the gig,do you think the community was purpsefully pulled into the plan for end objectivesof killing.
this is a great case for information auditors.this is a great case for the humanities.
what about the crazy bas tard which did the killing,i would love to interview him or her,and more so follow where these individuals end up in life,possibly they are the individuals who hold resentmet towards their employer,and ends up taking up craziness,
fu ck the death,there's more to the story.

the more i watch that video,the more questions i need to ask ,as the design seems a little strange,which promotes logical questions,
there is now doubt it was an ambush.

legal stop? are you joking,what fools!
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko View Post

They should have shot them all.

Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilko View Post

Yes I've met enough US Nazis to know they are vermin-to be extirpated.

You really are a first class idiot.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

These clowns parade about flaunting the law and they get shot.
Normally I would say the police should be investigated but this
time what took them so long

Holy ****, you too. I am rather surprised DG.
 
personal touch
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Quote: Originally Posted by personal touch View Post

do you think the intentions were in the plan to kill him?what cops like to do is agitate the situation to rationale their behaviour?
what about the town hall meeting,with the neighbours,does anyone know anything about this meeting,this is the best questions the public can ask,or seek answers to determine if their was intent to kill as the only resort.
determining the origins of the town hall meeting will give truths to what was to come.
here in alberta,town hall meetings have led to and have influenced the design of the outcome,this including death,using people is part of the gig,do you think the community was purpsefully pulled into the plan for end objectivesof killing.
this is a great case for information auditors.this is a great case for the humanities.
what about the crazy bas tard which did the killing,i would love to interview him or her,and more so follow where these individuals end up in life,possibly they are the individuals who hold resentmet towards their employer,and ends up taking up craziness,
fu ck the death,there's more to the story.

the more i watch that video,the more questions i need to ask ,as the design seems a little strange,which promotes logical questions,
there is now doubt it was an ambush.

legal stop? are you joking,what fools!

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Retired_Can_Soldier
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Quote: Originally Posted by personal touch View Post

.............

Why would you quote yourself, and then not post anything?
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

Why would you quote yourself, and then not post anything?


Changed his mind?
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Changed his mind?

Why leave the quote?

Aside from all the visceral stupidity and hate because these guys were armed, this could have ended peacefully. The occupation only lasted a month and in my opinion there was no reason not to keep negotiating for a peaceful end.
  1. The Waco seige lasted from February 28 and April 19, 1993.
  2. The Oka standoff lasted from July 11, 1990 and lasted until September 26, 1990
The protest was over re-imprisonment and grazing fees. Was that worth killing somebody? Maybe because they were cowboys with guns? Is that the reason for this visceral crap I am hearing. Bill Barillko and his call to exterminate. Damn Grumpy and his flippant, "What did they expect?"

What of it? Should we have stormed Oka after less than a month?

I don't support picking up arms against your own country as a form of protest, so I did not support the method, but I think that they may have had a legitimate protest. Grazing fees are certainly not worth taking someones life.

The militants, who had held frequent press conferences at the refuge, had called for the release of the two ranchers and for the Obama administration to relinquish control of federal lands to localities.
Here's how the eastern Oregon standoff started and how it's progressed to Wednesday, when things started winding down.

2012: Harney County ranchers Dwight Hammond Jr. and son Steven are convicted of arson for setting fires on federal land in 2001 and 2006. A federal judge sentences Dwight to three months and Steven to one year in prison.

Spring 2014: A 20-year dispute between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the U.S. Bureau of Land Management over $1 million in unpaid grazing fees leads to an armed standoff.

2015: After an appeals court overturns the Hammonds' original sentences, a federal judge issues new sentences of five years to both men, with credit for time already served.

Mid-December: Militants from states across the West begin assembling in the small town of Burns to protest the pending re-imprisonment of the Hammonds over what they describe as unjust federal land policies.

Jan. 1, 2016: Community members meet with the protesters to voice their concerns in advance of a weekend rally.

Jan. 2: After an estimated 300 marchers parade through Burns in support of the Hammonds, a splinter group of armed protesters begins to occupy the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, about 30 miles south of Burns.

Jan. 3: Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the leader of the refuge occupants, says the group has no intention of violence unless the government acts against them.

Jan. 4: The Hammonds report to federal prison in California but say they will seek clemency from the president. Harney County Sheriff David Ward, during a news conference, tells the occupiers to "Go home."

Jan. 5: Ammon Bundy says the occupiers won't leave until local property owners have control over the refuge, or if the community shows they're no longer welcome. Ward says law enforcement is taking steps being behind the scenes to end the standoff.

Jan. 6: The Burns Paiute Tribe, which once held land that included the refuge, calls on the militants to end the standoff. A nighttime scuffle between occupiers and an outside group sends one man to the hospital with a black eye.

Jan. 7: The sheriff and Ammon Bundy meet on neutral ground to discuss ending the refuge occupation. Gov. Kate Brown demands that the protesters "decamp immediately."

Jan. 8: Ammon Bundy says the group doesn't plan to leave for now.

Jan. 11: After a week off, schools reopen in Burns. The militants destroy a portion of a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service fence, saying they received permission from the rancher whose cattle graze on private land adjoining the wildlife refuge.

Jan. 12: The militants say they will reveal their exit plan at a meeting on Friday evening.

Jan. 13: Rancher Tim Puckett says he didn't give the militants permission to destroy a publicly owned fence and is upset about what happened.

Jan. 15: The "exit strategy" meeting doesn't happen over a dispute about where to hold the meeting. Also this day, authorities arrest the first person associated with the occupation: Kenneth Medenbach, 62, of Crescent, who drove a government pickup to Burns and was accused of having a stolen vehicle.

Jan. 16: Occupiers clash with conservationists during a daily briefing after showing off a pile of cameras they say were put up by law enforcement.

Jan. 18: The protesters say they've recruited ranchers to stop paying the federal government grazing fees and plan a "signing ceremony" for later in the week. In an evening meeting, they encourage ranchers to tear up their government grazing contracts.

Jan. 19: Conservation groups stage rallies in Portland, Eugene, Bend and La Grande to urge the occupiers to end the standoff. A community meeting in Burns, with Ammon Bundy in attendance, is punctuated by emotional and highly personal remarks.

Jan. 21: Brown, in a letter to top federal law enforcement officials, asks for "swift resolution" to the occupation. Ammon Bundy and the FBI begin negotiations to end the standoff.

Jan. 22: Negotiations stumble after Bundy questions the FBI's legal authority to operate in Harney County.

Jan. 26: Oregon State Police and the FBI confront protest leaders on their way to a meeting, about 20 miles north of the Burns, leaving one dead and taking five into custody. Two others are arrested in separate incidents.

Jan. 27: During a law enforcement press conference, Oregon FBI Special Agent in Charge Greg Bretzing says the occupiers had "ample" time to leave peacefully and that law enforcement had taken a "very deliberate and measured response" to the standoff. Ammon Bundy appears in court in Portland and tells the remaining refuge protesters, through his attorney, to "please stand down." The remaining occupiers begin to leave the refuge.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

Why leave the quote?


Sh*t happens- sometimes the phone or door bell rings and you don't get back to what you were doing and meanwhile some other member of the family jumps on your computer!
 
bill barilko
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

You really are a first class idiot....

Brilliant analysis and blazing insight-what would we do without your 'unique contributions' here?
 
Ludlow
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Good come back. Man's a firkin genius no question aboot it.